I tried Graves a few times, i main adc and rarely play anything else these days, i feel graves have been ruined, the fact that your q cant go thru walls, 2 shots at starts, i really prefer the old graves, don't think ill play graves ever again, just with i can refund all his skins i have for him since its a waist of money. i feel like Riot is aiming for a Dota wannabe. i don't mind nerfs and buffs, but reworks like graves is a waist. this is just my personal feeling toward him. how is every one else feelings toward him ?