archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aladoron,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=5qwxxjgc,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2017-08-22T11:53:00.324+0000) > > Look, idk why you lie to the community. There are a lot of examples when intentional feeding went unpunished, last one i saw a streamer did it like in 40 games, and just laughing at you. > > Yet you permanently punish ppl who suffer from your lack of ability to ban inters, yet you ban the ones who try to win the game, and get a bit tilted. You cure the sympthoms, and not the problem. Why are u ignoring most important thing said here? > however intentional feeding is much more difficult to ascertain Its hard to know whether someone was intentionally feeding or had a bad game by automatic system. AI is not advanced enough to be able to make such rational decision. Flaming for any reason is against rules, thats why its easy to punish flamers. No matter the reason why they broke rules, its important that they broke them. But when it comes to feeding, there is other side. Feeding is not against rules. Intentional feeding is. Here system needs to be able to "find reasons". Because in this case, its important. Whether u flame because u had troll or because u are spoiled brat, it doesnt matter. But whether u feed because u had bad game or because u are troll, it DOES matter.
I see you dont get my point. They PERMANENTLY punish players, bc of THEIR inability to do something. Trust me if inters would be removed from the game, the toxicity would reduce a LOT. They are threating the sympthoms, and not the problem. This i simply wrong. Ps.: The flaming problem is already solved, USE THE MUTE BUTTON! Oh, and dont tell me that 40 losestreak is hard to detect ;)
: Can I get chat restricted
They wont do this, they like to ban ppl for flaming :)
: HELP ME PLEASE I CANT REFORM
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aladoron,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=5qwxxjgc,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2017-08-22T11:40:16.448+0000) > > Funny when rioters almost always reply to "flaming" problems, but dont give a shit about inters ;) We absolutely do care, however intentional feeding is much more difficult to ascertain than verbal toxicity. Neither is acceptable, however one is much easier to action with certainty.
Look, idk why you lie to the community. There are a lot of examples when intentional feeding went unpunished, last one i saw a streamer did it like in 40 games, and just laughing at you. Yet you permanently punish ppl who suffer from your lack of ability to ban inters, yet you ban the ones who try to win the game, and get a bit tilted. You cure the sympthoms, and not the problem.
: How i report a player for ELO BOOST?
You cant, Rito doesnt give a fck about gameplay.
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Korimaxes,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=5qwxxjgc,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-08-22T05:56:01.482+0000) > > That doesn't change anything, and the fact that the last one most certainly doesn't qualify for a ban. Previous maybe. This one not Your argument is tantamount to "Okay yeah, I robbed a bank two weeks ago - but I only robbed a fruit store recently - why punish me for the bank robbery?". That's not how punishments work, nor has it ever been framed in such a way that your previous offences were forgotten about. As mentioned you were given a 14 day suspension with a warning that further offences can and would result in permanent suspension. Regardless of your reason or the fact that the "previous game" was two weeks prior, that doesn't wipe the slate clean, nor does it excuse your actions. You've already mentioned that even the one other game log you've got could qualify - which is justification enough. However if you are unsure of which logs deserved a ban, our player support team will be able to assist you in understanding that. Rather than blaming the system, the other players, and everyone else - it's worth taking the time to reflect on the one thing you can control - your actions, and your behaviour. Taking accountability for yourself is the one thing you are able to do in these situations.
Its a totally valid comment, bc if you give punishment for 3 (three) acts, not 2.....
Eambo (EUW)
: Keep in mind that this is not a single game that got you suspended: - You have already had two chat restrictions and one 14 day suspension - You had 3 games you were reported for. Timeframe is irrelevant here - 14 days is not enough time to say "I've reformed since then, I can flame now!" As advised earlier in this thread, support are the only ones who can assist you - however they have full access to your chat logs, including the ones you don't deem worthy to post on boards - which are most likely the reason you reached this point. When you received your 14 day suspension you were warned this was a last chance, and you continued to insult and rage at other players - regardless of your motivation, you've continued to show the behaviour that brought to this point. The actions of other players are judged based on their same merit and history, as yours were in this case.
Funny when rioters almost always reply to "flaming" problems, but dont give a shit about inters ;)
: Int feeder/troll streams himself throw 40+ games, HITS HONOR 3 DURING THIS PERIOD
Look man, Rito doesnt give a fck about gameplay.... Did he flame? NO --> he does whatever he wants. Simple logic. And the other way around: You carried the whole game, yet said one bad word --> Here comes the permaban! <3 Rito
Lèví (EUW)
: A Ban i don't understand
If you have any questions, contact our Player Support team at https://support.leagueoflegends.com/home Riot Games Player Support
: Story of my life bro, D3-P1 in a row, with like 10% winrate. The funny thing is, i win 99% of the lanes, most of the times vs 2, and there must always be something, some1, that destroys everything. Just can't win, impossibru, rly just waiting to find some other game to put my time into.
Try Dota 2, i kinda like it, more complex than LoL, MUCH BETTER balanced and so on.... If you want some just lightweight chilling go HoTS. (Both are free to play)
Marrebooii (EUNE)
: Aggressive people...
Play better, problem solved. BTW you probably would never find out, but there is a MUTE BUTTON! Fckin use that button, gosh...
: Can you punish ACTUALLY punish people who troll or just give up in minute 5?
NO, you cant, only flamers are punished by Rito. And they dont even want to change it, so pointless thread.
: Riots banned my account permanent for nothing
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL TLDR: LOL
: someone downvoted you and I upvoted you.probably an intentional feeder who got flamed.LUL
Noobs are soo bad they cant even use the mute button, yet still get butthurt instantly :D
: someone goes 0/50-having a bad day calling 0/50 an idiot-permaban
Ye, this is how it works <3 Dont you love Rito's logic too? xD
: Permane ban because MY 2 teammates tilted me really hard,go look at chat before you ban someone.
MUTE! USE THE GLORIOUS MUTE BUTTON IF SOMEBODY FLAMES YOU! Gosh, why is this sooooooo hard to understand?!
20 03 15 (EUW)
: This game is a hilarious.
Look, this is what Rito does. Blame everything on flamers, and do not punish anybody else. This was the same since the game started and probably will stay the same, i bet they dont play the game itself, or are just very ****** stupid.
xFrosten (EUW)
: GG easy? A truly disgusting way of ending a game
" I find it SO disgusting that people have the decency to write "GG easy" and personally, I think it should be penalized." Dont play the game, solved.
N2ader (EUNE)
: Seriously ? Just 20 minutes ban for trolls ?
He lied to you, he wont get any punishment. Only flamers are punished in LoL.
Ðaddy K (EUW)
: Question about the current ban system.
Only safe way is to not use the chat! Rito bans you for anyhing what you say in chat.... (Even tough, you can feed as much as you want, nobody cares....)
: The punishement system does not function right.
FAIR!? LoooL you want fairness from Rito? xD Seems like you dont play this game for a long time. So the basics: 1. Rito doesnt give a flying **** about the gameplay. 2. You will get instantly punished if you flame sb. 3. Trolls/Inters never get banned bc they are "too hard to detect" So guess, you should just accept the idiots, and stop complaining about it, bc rito is only intested in money, until these idiots pay them, then can do whaterwer the **** they want. So bad luck for ya! Get friends, get premades, so this will be less likely to happen!
Haorany (EUW)
: I was platinum for the most half of season 7, I only droped to gold because I played swain without much pratice, hence the 38 percent winrate. As much as I want to agree with you, it can't just be that. I don't know why, but I have spend much time try to talk to them in way that is logical. They seems to be absolutely sure that I hacked the game.The funny thing is , I dont record games so there is no way of proving it. That's the saddest part of this problem.
New client record games and you can download replays.
Haorany (EUW)
: Riot Ban mistake
Gold 2 player banned for playing too good?! What the fck? What if they see a LCS player smurfing in plat, will they instaban them? O.o Rito is just fckin stupid...
: Punishment comparison of a troller vs flamer is ludicrous
Sadly you are totally right, Rito doesnt give a fck about gameplay overall, they ONLY care about flaming..... I've made the same experiment as well, trolling at least 5-6 games -> NOTHING. Flaming in 3 games -> chat restriction (and probably permaban later) Rito is fckin stupid about this.....
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Riot's policy about inting is strict,and things that practically aren't disco nunu with 6 mobis are considered to be ''bad decision making''
Which makes Riot's policy bullshit.
: I do see your point. I reckon punishing inting and feeding is not handled by the automatic system, but by humans instead because the sheer stats may not tell the whole story and thats why it takes longer to be punished than say, for insults which can be easily detected by programs with filters.
And how long does it take to look at the games? Days? Weeks? O.o
: Because nobody reports them. Too many players are so tilted after game they click X without reporting toxic players. That is the main reason.
I surely got reported, after game i added them to flame a bit, and they said, that they reported me.
: I wouldnt draw attention if I were you. Unless you wont miss your account anyways.
I'm not stupid, it was on another account ;) But you still dont see the point -_-
Rioter Comments
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Let me present you this: http://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/TsNGYuYJ-riot
: We do have systems that ban players who intentionally feed or troll. No system is perfect, however. You'll also want to report players who are intentionally feeding or trolling. That said, it's very important to not conflate the 1/5 off-role Vayne who went against a Caitlyn Zyra and the enemy team has Vi with the Draven with 5 tears going 0/20 and running it down mid like the enemy fountain is a touchdown point and he is a rugby ball. In the tension of ranked games, it can be difficult to separate the two, but the Vayne in this scenario is simply having a bad game.
Calling the system "not perfect" is a really strong euphemism. Let's just say it, the int feeder/troll ban system is totally broken. You can say otherwise, but the players, who actually play the games expreince that the system doesnt work. (Even if it is really implemented, as you say.) Just to show, how great the system works ;) http://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/TsNGYuYJ-riot I know, its really hard to identify if he is int feeding or just having a bad day... Do you have any idea how could we find this out? O.o So, i just want to ask, will a real, working system ever implemented in the game? O.o There are a lot of ways to do this. F.e.: If you end the game (kills+assist)/deaths <1 and at least 2 teammate and 2 enemy reported you, you have to play normal games until you win 5 of them. This way if the given player is simply bad, we give them time to learn to play (or at least practice a bit). Or if he's troll/tilting time to calm down, and not ruin ranked games in the meantime. Sadly you only focus on flamer bans (which i dont udnerstand, but you know... there is a mute button implemented, so flamers doesnt matter... but this is another question.) You have to realize, that the high level of flaming is caused by your lack of ability to filter out trolls. Nobody starts a game flaming, BUT more people will flame a troll, than for no reason. So the first step to reduce the flaming is to filter out trolls. And it would make the game also better ;)
: Please stop commenting on this post, you're just being irritating and filling up space that would otherwise be filled with meaningfull comments,
You can always report my comments if you feel so :)
: > BC it doesnt do any harm to the game, only releases some pressure from the flamer, there is literally nothing negative in flaming O.o Except for it doing harm to the game. It maybe releases pressure from the flamer, but at the same time his teammates will feel pressured more, making them play worse. Your anger is your problem, you should deal with it. Don't shift it towards your team. > Sorry if i get angry when sb ruins my fun. If you get triggered very easily, League is maybe not the ideal game for you. You have a very loose definition of intentionally ruining a game. > Teching useless rules is useless I agree, although I don't see how saying this is relevant in a discussion where you talk about useful rules. > Look, the mute button defends you from ALL flaming When you need to use the mute button you are already dead.
And the idiotism of the flamer is his problem, why do i have to deal with that also? O.o Or not the game of idiots who ruin games? O.o Forbid flaming is an useless rule, bc there is a button which makes this rule useless. This is not true, and you know it.
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aladoron,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=l1GWL0mx,comment-id=000700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-14T13:00:51.131+0000) > > 1. BC it doesnt do any harm to the game, only releases some pressure from the flamer, there is literally nothing negative in flaming O.o ... In a team oriented game, where your team is made up of complete strangers, usually of diffrent cultures and perceptions, flaming does not produce anything negative ? ... Really? ... Are you absolutely certain you know how teamwork functions? ... > 2. Sorry if i get angry when sb ruins my fun. I hope next time when you play a ball game with your frineds, sb just walks there grabs the ball and walks away. After 20 min he comes back and gives you the ball :) Hope you will defend him also, bc it almost the same. (In LoL its even worse a bit...) Erm ... No it's not the same. A) In LoL. You **don't** play with your friends. You play with complete strangers. B) The guy that flamed or trolled you, chances are you ain't gonna meet him again (unless you are high enough in the ladder, upon which reporting bad behaviour is even more important, be it flaming or trolling or **intentional** feeding). C) If somebody goes and tries to "steal" a ball from 22 (or 10 if you are playing basketball) people, he must have some veeery big cahones. Cause I would not like all 10 people running after me. D) To finish off with this parellelism; what you described, if I brought it over in LoL, is like my team is facing off another team, and somebody **outside** of us suddendly makes it so we don't deal damage to anything for the next 20 mins. So, it's not ***almost** the same. > 3. Teching useless rules is useless ;) Fun fact. No rule is useless unless it was written to be so. > 4. Oh no, you saw a sentence, what can we do now?! Go fast call the medics! He saw a BAD WORD?! NOOOOOOOOOO! > > 5. Wow, man, you logic is sooo flawed. Okay, then i rephrease myself..... Look, the mute button defends you from ALL flaming, you cant flame your head, or your torso. If you want to use this example you have to give the same properties to the kevlar jacket as the mute button. If the kevlar jacket doesnt defend you entirely (this was one of my things i said, then the kevlar jacked is not a good example.) So i rephrase myself, you can shoot on kevlar jackets ;) I am adressing both of them here. The mute button, like the kevlar, doesn't negate damage prior to its use. And it's not a bad parallelism, the kevlar example. It's just you don't seem to grasp that the Mute button is not a proactive measure, but a reactive. Just as Kevlar as an existence should not be needed or used by people as an excuse to fireshot towards anywhere, and then say "But you could have bought a Kevlar to stop me!".
The example is almost the same. A complete stranger stole 20 minutes of my fun, just bc he wanted so. You said you would not want to ruin from them... You think he deserves some punishment for ruining the game? O.o Riot still dont punish them... You probably missed the first part of the kevlar example, i think it was in another conversation. If the kevlar jacket protects you from all damage, everybody has it, and it costs you nothing to wear it (not even uncomfortable)... These were the conditions where i said, then ok, let ppl shoot. Sadly in life the kevlar jacket doesnt work this way. So i dont agree shooting.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
If banning my dia and plat accounts are considered "holding back" then you may be right :D
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
1. BC it doesnt do any harm to the game, only releases some pressure from the flamer, there is literally nothing negative in flaming O.o 2. Sorry if i get angry when sb ruins my fun. I hope next time when you play a ball game with your frineds, sb just walks there grabs the ball and walks away. After 20 min he comes back and gives you the ball :) Hope you will defend him also, bc it almost the same. (In LoL its even worse a bit...) 3. Teching useless rules is useless ;) 4. Oh no, you saw a sentence, what can we do now?! Go fast call the medics! He saw a BAD WORD?! NOOOOOOOOOO! 5. Wow, man, you logic is sooo flawed. Okay, then i rephrease myself..... Look, the mute button defends you from ALL flaming, you cant flame your head, or your torso. If you want to use this example you have to give the same properties to the kevlar jacket as the mute button. If the kevlar jacket doesnt defend you entirely (this was one of my things i said, then the kevlar jacked is not a good example.) So i rephrase myself, you can shoot on kevlar jackets ;)
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Why would it be against my logic? O.o
: While I have been arguing with you, I have been doing so respectfully and with your interest in mind. My argument has continuously been about ensuring that you don't get banned. Referring to me as 'kiddo' when I'm in my late twenties is both arrogant and condescending. This is ideal though, because in this instance you are being 'toxic'. Now I will utilize self-defense by simply ignoring you from here on out. Perhaps in this you will understand what I've been arguing in theory, when It is put into practice. Good luck in your future games.
I just referred to an often used internet meme, tried to be a lil bit funny, look like you took it too seriuly, sorry for it... BTW this is what i am talkin' about: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-s-where-you-re-wrong-kiddo But, okay, if you feel so offended by this. Then GL HF for you in your games also ;)
Hantusa (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aladoron,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=l1GWL0mx,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-14T11:31:20.100+0000) > > 1. I&#x27;ve seen, everybody makes mistakes, i agree, pros do, you do, I do, everyone. But you dont make ONLY mistakes in a game.... > > 2. So if this calms him, even a little bit, how can you say it will not result in any positive? > > 3. So you lie to idiots to make them feel good, and think they are not idiots? O.o GGWP means good game well played which if i know english enough to understand these words does not mean &quot;thanks for the game&quot;. Telling sb WP who didnt play well, is just plain stupid.... Directly translated, you are correct, in terms of the meaning behind the words it seems to elude you. If you make a mistake and die, and someone on your team says 'nice try', do you also go balistic on that person?
Why would i? She/He didnt do anything that affects the game, so idc.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Oh no, what if sb improves? O.o
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I think it's pretty normal to do, but if this makes me a genius i have to accept this fate... :\
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
A 0/7 misscalculating his ability to fight 1v5? I call that int feeding.
: So, you consider verbally abusing an intentional feeder a form of self-defense. Riot has implemented a form of self-defense for use in these exact circumstances. There is no way to stop somebody intentionally feeding mid-game. All you can do is report, and their behavior will get them banned. Maybe not instantly, but they will be banned. If you verbally abuse them mid-game you're basically trying to fight fire with fire. Think of it like this. A man steals from you. You know exactly who he is, and where he is. The right thing to do in this instance is to go to the police. Instead you go to his house and steal everything he has. Guess what - you're both going to jail. It's the same in this instance. You're concerned with self-defense, but not with self-preservation. You seem to be arguing for the right to put your account at risk by acting exactly like the people you despise in the game. It makes no sense. Yeah, be angry, but don't be silly and get yourself banned alongside the int. feeder.
"All you can do is report, and their behavior will get them banned." - Aaaand this is where you are wrong kiddo. http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/us_fightingfirewithfire You will find this intresting ;) In my country the police is shit and does nothing. So go there and steal everything he has looks much better for me ;) Guess what, the police is still shit and does nothing :D What if i manage to tilt that idiot to delete LoL? Then i already did more than Riot did in it's whole existence to stop feeders.
GLurch (EUW)
: The system *does* forget. If you behave bad, then behave good for a really long time, then behave bad again, the system won't punish you from where it did last time.
My first banned account got the chat log from a game from months ago ;)
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
While ruining shitton of games ;)
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Werent we talkin' about how do i have time to watch map while flaming? O.o
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
1. So you see, there are a lot threads of banned int feeders which i should have seen, and then state, that they dont make threads <3 2. If you are on 0-7 and try to all in 1v5, then it is intentional. If you are 10-5 and try to all in, then it is OK. Bc when you are 0-7 you have no chance to kill them. While a 10-5 riven can rekt a whole team alone if played well. 3. Yes, i said this too. You can missfire 1 or even 10, but not all. 4. Misscaculating 5 enemy? Sorry i expect ppl who play LoL to be able to count to 5 O.o Is it too much expectation? O.o
GLurch (EUW)
: So you are proposing dumb people and bad players should get punished? How are they at fault for being dumb or bad?
I have no problem with them until they remain in bronze. If they are somehow (not so big surprise, bought account) in plat+ games, then they deserve the punishment, yes.
GLurch (EUW)
: Because 1 game of flaming will not get you permanently banned or even near a 14 day ban (under normal circumstances). Therefor, you have to constantly flame in order to get punished. Being constantly in a state of auto-pilot is something I have never heard of.
This is simply not true. If you flame then play a shitton of good games wihtout flaming, and then you flame again. Then you will get the ban. The system doesnt forget....
GLurch (EUW)
: The game is moving all the time. Therefor, looking for 2 seconds at the map every 10 seconds, because you are busy insulting your teammates/enemies is not enough. You might still miss something.
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