BereInBurta (EUNE)
: To summarize, you quit the game because players don't play at your standards (lcs standards). Cool. And then I look at your champion pool, and See 1st. Volibear, 2nd Nocturne, 3rd Leona, 4th Tryndamere, 5th Pantheon. (Not that you even have a lot of games with any of them), when was the last time you seen on lcs those champs you play? (Your builds are not even lcs builds, as probuild says)
Exactly! As many others, I have adapted a playstyle and a championpool that is suited to the community I play in. As I said before, I'm a casual player wanting to play a teamgame, as advertised on tv, finding myself playing champions that are less dependent on teammembers (exept Leona?), how dumb is that?! I used to love playing supports like Naut and Ali, but since the changes in s7, I find that I'm refraining from that since there is a too big risk involved, and since, I only play support when I got autofilled. I love to jungle, but due to 1 too many adc blaming jungler for lost lane, I've stopped that too. With this said, I hope you still enjoy the game and that you experience the joy of a well balanced 5v5 matchup without trolls, flamers and the occational diamond 2-player on his smurf account boosting his friend.
Rismosch (EUW)
: To be honest, I would prefer the Solo Queue version. It is what I can do and understand. I have no idea about LCS and I don't even want to know what META and strategies they use. And Riot does an amazing job at keeping the community clean. Of course it is not perfect, but the atmosphere is so much better than it used to be. I am against removing the chat, because even though the ping system is such a good communication tool, the ping system has simply no personality. I have played Hearthstone in the past and I have to say the way they handled emotes was utterly garbage and super toxic. IP banning does not work, because consumer IPs do change and if you know how, you can change your macadress aswell (I don't know if thats legal though...)
Well, then it may be I that expect too much from the game. I think the running straight in to see if I take first blood or give it away with no regard for my 4 teammates is an undesired playstyle that has no place in a community, even a virtual one. I want the game played like LCS, where you are part of a team, helping your teammates, develop new smart strategies, communicate without calling your teammate names and so on, but as you say, that is maybe not how the majority of the community feels about it. Regarding the changes that doesn't work, I ask you this: Why have they not been tried, if Riot wasn't thinking about the money? Sure, some players would get around it, but if we could get rid of even 5% of the trolls, flamers, blamers and "I wanna try Zilean jungle for the first time, so I do this in a ranked game"'s, then it is, in my opinion, worth it. And by the way, if you think the atmosphere is better now than it used to be, then you are not thinking back long enough. Now players may hold back a bit in chat, but ruin your day by doing something in game instead, but this is just another way to call you a X&#¤. I've even been in a ranked game where a guy was placed as support, didn't like it, so he picked Tahm Kench, ate his adc and spit him out in the enemy turret. This happened within the first 3 minutes, and you can guess what the following 17 was like. The Kench-player is still active today.
Rasalas (EUW)
: I think you really have to consider the situation - people get frustrated, angry, they feel that their efforts are wasted. When, in this situation, they tell me to kill myself, I don't believe they actually want me dead. Not really. How many arguments there were in the history of the world between friends or even couples, where people said things they would never normally say, out of frustration, anger or despair? No. When somebody tells me to kill myself, because I went 0/9 on Yasuo, I'm not reporting them because I'm offended. No, I know frustration was speaking out of them. I'm reporting them, because that is what Riot wants us to do. The TLDR of my story is, that the rules are bad and they are the slave to political correctness. We must all pretend to be ok, to smile, to look happy never to tell what we really mean or feel, because it might "offend" somebody. If somebody goes 0/9 in a lane, the normal reaction would be to tell the person he's an idiot, because well.. they completely ruined the game for you. If somebody does repeatedly the same mistakes again and again, it's only natural to get angry with them. However, we are asked to smile, to tell them for 9th time they are only having a bad game and to be all rainbows and unicorns. The rules are set up to protect the idiotic minority at the expense of the rest of the playerbase, so those poor creatures, who are only 0/9, because "the jungler sucks", dont get their feelings hurt.
Hehe, someone just told me in my post that I have too high expectations of humanity. And here you say "the idiotic minority". Welcome to my club... =)
: Wait, ur only starting to think that now? Damn, I admire the faith you have in the cesspool that is humanity.
Thank you. That makes me both glad and slightly more inclined to jump in front of a bus. But you're probably right....
Rismosch (EUW)
: I think the problem is that you approach the game in a wrong way. If I understood you correctly, then your major point why you dislike the game is that Solo Queue is not LCS. That's understandable, Solo Queue is so different from the LCS. But the thing is, in LCS you have coordinated teams, that have good teamplay and good communication, in Solo Queue you don't have that. So all those crazy and awesome combos you were talking about you want to see in Solo Queue, it wont happen. In Solo Queue communication is lacking, you can't pull of combos. Also, the people you are playing with are total strangers, meaning they might wanna play something different. You can't and shouldn't force them to play what they don't want I know how it feels to try to play teamoriented, even though you are solo. Gnar is one of my favorite Champions, even one of the first I've ever bought, but if you check my matchhistory you see that I rarely play him. That's because I play mostly solo and Gnar is so much teamoriented. Gnar suffers from a problem, that no matter how good you are with him, if your team is crap you wont win. Gnar can't carry, he has no sustained damage and lacking burst. He has burst, but it's difficult to even oneshot squishies, especially if the enemy has proper peel. Gnar might be fun to play and an awesome Champion, but because he is so teamoriented he is simply not a good option in Solo Queue. If you want this game to be more like LCS, then get yourself a team and play as 5 premade. Get your friends together and play with them. However if they don't like playing this game, or you simply have none, than this game might not be for you. No one is forcing you to play this game, so if you don't enjoy it and have no way to enjoy it the way you want to, then simply stop playing it.
I see your point, and I somewhat agree. But then shouldn't LCS reflect the struggles of the soloque? It feels like Riot is selling us a picture of the game and then delivering something else completely. And if you're honest, which version would you rather play? Now, I've tried to get a team together, but the fact is that it takes too long. I'm a casual player with a job and a family, who spends free evenings with the game. But I dont' see why this should put me in a position that I am logging on to play a team game (the lobby even says 5v5) and end up playing a game where the objective is to get the other team flaming as soon as possible. This could be monitored. Riot could remove the chat. They could change the rankingsystem to reflect your individual performance instead of that of the "team". They could ban IP- or mac-adresses instead of accounts. They could do so much more. And I think the reason they don't is financial. It's true as you say that I don't know Riot from what they post, say or proclaim. I just watch the system and draw my conclusions. Then again, if you had a personal banker before the 07-08 crisis, you would know that this is a pretty good way of not getting screwed over. The problem with all of this is that the playerbase would drop, fast, and this is not in the best interests of a moneymaking company. I'm sure I cannot convince you or anyone else of this, but taking things riot say as facts is just a little too easy, don't you think?
: Riot.Can't.Change.Their.Player's.Behaviour. Please for the love of god just understand this simple thing,they can ban them, they can tell them that what they are doing is wrong BUT THEY CAN'T CHANGE HOW THEY THINK JUST UNDERSTAND IT ALREADY. So many posts blaming riot for the playerbase that I'm just starting to think that you guys are straight up braindead.
Where did I ask Riot to change the players behavior? I'm just saying that rewarding a behavior that is ultimatly destructive is not responsible. Not the same thing. Compare it to a football coach that rewards druguse in his team. You can't say he's not responsible for the behavior, can you? Remember, these are kids we are talking about...
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Anechrome (EUNE)
: MMR restricions in normal games.... again!
Update: Haha, this is too good to be true! First match after posting this thread, I as a bronzeplayer end up getting matched against this: https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Songoku%20ssj4 [](https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Songoku%20ssj4) Nuff said!
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: > Now go fix this Rito, or you will force me to post again, and again, and again... this is not way to pass a point. downvoted
Clearly, you have nerver been married. Upvoted! :)
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > When I que up, I want a way to set the MMR difference of the players I'm going to play with, like +/- 400 MMR. Generally the gap isn't going to be as big as you think, but you don't have any way of checking a persons MMR. If you're using 3rd party sites to do so, just stop, since they're not giving you any accurate information when it comes to MMR. All they do is guess. Ranked MMR has nothing to do with normal MMR. --- > Why not give us an option to play unranked games, but with the teambalance of ranked games? I'm not saying that you HAVE to use this feature, but can it really be that hard to give us the option?!?!? Providing you with more algorithms like this will dramatically increase the queue timers for everyone, which isn't viable.
Hmm, maybe I'm not explaining this too well, but I don't really need to know a players MMR in order to adjust the setting for this in the lobby. It's just a feature that let's me tell the que not to match me against players that are way stronger or weaker than I am, unless I want to. That way, I can adjust the time I'm willing to wait by setting a wider MMR-range. Also, this will let new players practice against other new players before getting stomped senseless in normal games. I've compared it previously to someone trying out boxing for the first time and getting a random sparringpartner that's a former heavywieght champion. I'm not sure this person will enjoy the sport very much after losing 5 teeth in the first round... This will of course prolong the quetime for high-ranked players, but if you have the time and skill to be Challenger, I won't be crying for you...
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: so you want challanger and diamond players to wait like 1 hour for a normal game because they have to play against their own MMR(their ranked mmr) yeah seems pretty reasonable ;)
No doubt! The comparison is that you want to try out boxing for the first time, your opponent is randomized and you get to fight Mike Tyson from 20 years ago. I'd rather have Mike wait 10 years for a match, than let 1 noob a day die because of a faulty system. And yes, I die a little inside every time I see a Diamond vs 5 bronze... =)
Proxie (EUW)
: Not Getting Chests
Same thing for me yesterday. Sent a bugreport, but no answer yet. And yes, I checked that the champ didn't have a chest from earlier.
: What about the opponent? They probably expected longer
So did my girlfriend, but you don't see her crying about it... =)
abixbg (EUNE)
: 4 votes for surrender is toxic!
I somewhat agree with the statement above. It is annoying as hell when a premade "Feeding-duo of Doom" forces you to wait for the enemy team to finish the game while continously feeding, flaming and blaming. At that point, you no longer care about winning or losing, since a win for you would be a win for them, which is just not worth it. But with the 3/2 rule this would give the same feeding-duo 67% control of surrendering a game that could easily be won even if they were to just stand in base for the last 20 minutes. I think the option of an earlier surrender would be a better solution. This won't stop the situation with the feeding-duo, but over all games you ever play it would make you waste less time on games that just isn't fun to play. This also applies to unevenly matched games (All hail Riot matchmaking - using 1v1 MMR-logic in a 5v5 game!), in which the torment is going on way too long before you can go back to que and hope the next one will slightly more enjoyable. This is of course debatable, but I think most would agree that when 2 players on your team disconnects or afk's just after the remake timelimit has run out, there should at least be an option to quit without risking a ban.
SUΡΡORT (EUW)
: Good evening, MrNiceGuy69! I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you. So, I'm pretty sure you know the Instant-Feedback-System that lets you report players after the game. When you report someone, it might not instantly get someone banned or someone's account restricted but when more and more people report a player, the higher the chance is, that someone get's banned. >**So keep reporting players who are breaking the rules!** When enough reports have been collected, you're gonna receive a pretty neat message that'll confirm you that the player, you reported before, has been banned for his behaviour! ;) And don't forget: **Don't start flaming.** It won't help you or make your teammates play better. It will just get you in even more trouble! I hope that I could help you to feel a bit better, SUPPORT {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Why can't Rito just spend a random day monitoring ranked games in real time to observe how bad it is out there. Find a troll, have a punishment waiting directly after the game with an explination of why the observed behavior is unwanted. Do this a couple of times and we might see an improvement, and a few thousand less players lagging up the servers...
: Got a source for those numbers? I would be interested to read it if there's an article/report about toxicity in league.
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Anechrome (EUNE)
: RITO! TIME TO WAKE UP AND FIX THE BLOODY MATCHMAKING!!!
Just thought I'd add the result of tonights 2 games. Game A: At 6 minutes - Blaming starts. At 10 minutes - first suggestion to surrender at 20. At 13 minutes - support ragequits when the score is 6-7. At 14 minutes - mid askes if it is possible to surr at 15. At 20 minutes - Surrendervote and game ends. Game B: In the lobbychat: Ze: hello hello, pref top\mid Sh Ch: dont ban vayne son of the bich Total time wasted this evening; around 1h 15 minutes.
: If you want to change other people then you best jump off a bridge right now or start using some heavy drugs. Never gonna happen. YOU are the only person you can change. If others want to look at ranks, cry, rage, flame and rage quit then so be it. You just need to make sure that YOU do not do any of those things. Don't try to change others. Just change yourself.
Yeah, so what you are saying is that if I cannot ignore the people ruining the game, I shouldn't play it? That seems like a sound policy, and probably a part of the reason for the toxic enviroment we have today; all the nice players left years ago...
: There is no balance. Balance is imaginary. Your rank does not show how good you are compared to your opponent. It does not show how good you are on the champion you are currently playing and it does not take into account your current state of mind (you might be high, drunk, tired, half a sleep etc.). Don't think that rank decides games. Rank is just a general mark of your overall performance but each game is a clean slate. Too many people give up way too early simply because they realize they are going against someone who is ranked higher then themselves. By not knowing, you will lose this barrier and play better. I started season 5 in Bronze V. I never checked ranks in any of my games and ended the season in plat V. Mentality is a bigger factor then rank. The sooner you realize the better.
Well, that's a good point, but how do I make the other 4 players on My team not look at ranks? How do I stop them from AFK;ing after the first 2 deaths? I watch alot of LCS and I have never seen anyone ragequit there, but should I really have to be a professional e-sporter to enjoy a full game?? Ok, I admit I may be chasing a dream here, but I'm not ready to give up on in-game balance yet. Someone figured it out in golf some 200 years ago, and they didn't even have a calculator...
Mavnorian (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Anechrome,realm=EUNE,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=ktF0fLZd,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2015-11-18T07:28:29.009+0000) > > Solution: Leave normal as it is. Make new que called "improved normal" and when you click this you get the option to set up MMR restriction relative to your own MMR, for example +\- 50, or 200, or 1565. This way, the diamondplayer and hos silver friend can still play together, but for those of us not willing to parttake, there is a way out. Aaaand what if it work like that (except for setting the limits arbitrary)? What if you'll still be matched with those guys you mentioned even at mmr difference of +-50? I mean, cmon, how would you know your mmr is higher enough? Actually I don't think it would change anything.
You are abolutely right, it won't weed out the trolls, but regarding my MMR; I know it's LOW enough! If I put in a 50 MMR restriction, I will most likely get rid of the diamonds that are playing with their bronze friend. It's not perfect, but it would make the match more balanced than todays system.
: Here's a tip for you. Stop looking at who has which rank and just play each game as if you are underdog and other team is better. You will focus more, expect less, try harder and win more often.
Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. To me, winning or losing is less important than playing an evenly balanced game and I'm open to suggestions but can't really see any other way to adjust the balance apart from fixing the matchmaking. Do you?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Well, I've never been more than gold so I'm not sure about the higher ranks, but from what I've seen the phrase "adc or troll" seems more frequent in bronze than in the other tiers... Then again, this is in soloque. Playing duo should reduce the risk by 25% if you've chosen the right friends.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
In normal you'd just lose MMR, which leads to trolling players with Diamond-like technical skills getting matched against new players who then finds the game less fun when they get thrashed.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Because losing matches due to trolling would make you drop out of diamond.
: Bro, i've upvoted you and tried to help you in a practical way. In no way i've meant "shut up and live with it". I just described how i try to manage the problem myself. I have participated in like 3 or 4 surveys Riot conducted about the matchmaking. And i always pointed out to them that the normal matchmaking is a nuisance and a joke. But this won't help you. If you really are upset about it, write a mail to them. Posting in the boards is like venting anger, but doesn't change things.
Oh ok, my misstake. I really thought that a post here would make a greater inpact than an e-mail, but I'm pretty new to this and really have no idea how it works. May have been foolish of me to think that riot would read these posts... Sry.
: Try to enjoy losing games. If i clearly see a match is against me anyway i try to achieve some minor game objectives before 20 minutes like - can we take at least one dragon before they win the game? - can we shut down this Tristana at least two times? - can we kill Darius? - can i manage to stay alive for the rest of the game?
So rather than trying to improve the matchmakingsystem, your suggestion is "shut up and live with it"? I suppose that is a solution, but maybe not the best way to keep a large playerbase... I do understand your point though, and I appreciate you trying to help, it's just that I posted this to try to establish a change in the system, not as a cry out for help to cope with frustrating matchups. Thx!
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=ktF0fLZd,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-18T09:56:53.244+0000) > > I'm fairly sure it's a matter of Dunning-Kruger effect, which is very prominent among Bronze rankers and gets lower and lower the higher the division is. > Not sure if you are trying to be insulting or not, but Dunning-Kruger is only valid if the subject is unaware of his incompetence. As I stated in my original post, I am very aware that I AM incompetent, making that question moot. I either case, I hope that we can agree the probability for a serial-troll/afk:er ending up with a diamondranked MMR is fairly low, thus making the problem more frequent in lower ranks?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=ktF0fLZd,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-18T08:58:06.950+0000) > > > Have you ever wondered why those who complain about broken matchmaking are mostly low rankers claiming they get trolls in every match, and why those who claim Tribunal is broken are, for the most part, people punished by it? > Totally agree! I do, however, regard this as a sign that the problem mainly exist in low ranks. This is supported by the fact that a troll, AFK:er and the like, lose more games than those of the same skill-level who behave. The problem is that a troll with a high technical skill will probably be matched with a lower skilled, casual gamer that abides by the rules of conduct, thus ruining bronze and silvergames while rarely being visible to players of higher mmr/rank. The fact that you have encountered 1 troll in 2015 supports this. I usually run into 1 every other night...
Mavnorian (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Anechrome,realm=EUNE,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=ktF0fLZd,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-18T01:40:28.696+0000) > > Yes, I understand this. Let me try another way; MMR-system bad, not working, out of order. Search for "fix matchmaking" in this forum and count the posts. Players are frustrated. We need matchmaking where players can choose not to get matched with everyone on the server. This removes SOME frustration. Makes players happier. Search for give me free rps/skins and count the posts. Game developing isn't democratic process and numbers don't really matter. If given system is wrong, what would you propose instead? Sth based on played games/win games? And how it's supposed to work better? > > Once??? I've had 2 of these just this week, and I don't even play that much! You are either extreamly lucky or you don't read the lobbychat... > Then I'd recomend you fixing some friends to play with as a premades to reduce the chances of being matched with trolls. And to be honest, in entire year 2015 I met just one obvious troll, nothing more. > If the reportsystem worked, we wouldn't have this discussion... I'm starting to think you don't play that much in soloque, do you? And what makes you think it doesn't work?
We seem to have two very different experiences of LoL and I totally agree there is no democracy in play here, but why would there be a categry on the boards called Suggestions if Rito did not want us to suggest fixes/modifications to the game? It seems you are trying to convince me there is no problem with the matchmaking, while the numerous posts here on the forum suggests otherwise. In a way, even the posts you mention regarding free skins are a strong indication of the community trying to tell Riot there is something wrong with the price of skins. Telling all these players that they should just get more money is not really a solution. In the same way, telling me to get more friends in order to avoid the horrors of soloque does not fix the problem. The matchmaking is still broken, and the trolls can still ruin game after game, regardless of if I use soloque or not.
: The nature of normals is the problem, it makes the MMR skewed as fuck. In order to "fix" normal matchmaking, you'll basically have to change it into ranked matchmacking with hidden ranks, which obviously would be stupid. If I'm in diamond and want to play with my friend in silver, then of course that's gonna mess up the matchmaking. In order to prevent this, Riot would have to make MMR restrictions for stacks, that means a diamond player with lets say 1800 MMR can not play with his Silver friend with 1100 MMR. Sure, it would be more balanced, but they wouldn't be able to play together. See the problem? What could Riot possibly do to fix this element that makes the MMR so skewed? I'm genuinely curious. For normals to be normals it has to be this way, whether you like it or not. Ranked is the where it's at if you want balanced games.
Solution: Leave normal as it is. Make new que called "improved normal" and when you click this you get the option to set up MMR restriction relative to your own MMR, for example +\- 50, or 200, or 1565. This way, the diamondplayer and hos silver friend can still play together, but for those of us not willing to parttake, there is a way out.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=ktF0fLZd,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-18T01:15:09.329+0000) > > Uh? I just told you. Ranked and normals don't share the same MMR pool. > > A Diamond who plays one normal once a month may have the same normal MMR as a dirty unranked who plays normals every day. > Yes, I understand this. Let me try another way; MMR-system bad, not working, out of order. Search for "fix matchmaking" in this forum and count the posts. Players are frustrated. We need matchmaking where players can choose not to get matched with everyone on the server. This removes SOME frustration. Makes players happier. > Everyone has been a newbie at some point. Heck, I play since 2013 and I keep discovering new things. > > And that's why I don't like people who feel entitled to call others "noobs", like one of the commenters in this thread. > > Once. In an aram. In over 800 aram games. Once??? I've had 2 of these just this week, and I don't even play that much! You are either extreamly lucky or you don't read the lobbychat... > > It's called "intentional feeding" btw, and it's a reportable and punishable offense. The existence of such people isn't odd - there's no basket that contains only good apples, unfortunately. If the reportsystem worked, we wouldn't have this discussion... I'm starting to think you don't play that much in soloque, do you?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Yeah, English is not my first language either, so I may have been a bit off in the phrasing. My problem with the current matchmaking is that it uses mmr, not which mmr it uses. I'm trying to say that we need a separate que for people that don't have the skill to play in gold+, but still have enough experience that they get frustrated when matched with toddlers that have not yet bought their second champion. Regarding the trolls or trollers or trollies or whatever you want to call them, I'm talking about the people that in the lobby write "ADC or troll" and then use the first 19:59 minutes to run straight into the opponent nexus. Have you never met those?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Anechrome,realm=EUNE,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=ktF0fLZd,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-17T23:57:56.488+0000) > I'm not a pro, not even semi-pro or even decent. I fully admit that I suck the big one in every way possible. As covered above, my skills are not really an issue here. I just don't want to have to explain to my teammates what "CS" means...
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darkestkhan (EUNE)
: This is bronze. Winning game with one afk or one feeder is possible (been there, done that). If you find it impossible - tough luck. But I do agree that KDA should have some effect on LP loss/gain.
Yes, It is possible, that is why I added the "almost" in front of that statement... I am sure that if you are skilled enough, it's not really a problem. But I am talking about being stuck in a bracket where you can win your lane maybe 80-90% of the time, but you still are not good enough (or don't like to play the champions required) to carry your entire team when one of them insists on using a ranked game to see if he can jungle Zilean. Anyway, thx for lending your voice! Glad that I'm not the only one who sees the problem.
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: I have 47113 RP!!! WHO WANTS A SKIN??? #3 ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Love the skins; iBlitzcrank, Headhunter Caitlyn and Dragonslayer Pantheon Love 'em!!

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