Riquelme375 (EUNE)
: Seems sorta interesting.
cool cool. I planned to do just the ranked games, but I decided to include some ARAMs because why not. I hope you enjoyed it so far. I just wanted to let you know that I've added some more and I'll probably add a few more games every few days as well. I gotta do this at least until I reach platinum 5, right?
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MiniZav (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ashslayer,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=h0I9OgTw,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2015-06-10T21:12:59.398+0000) > > that's actually fairly impressive, but I also see you managed to spawn play the same champion over and over. lol. Its obvious that i sorted it on champ^' Regardless, i went bronze 5>gold 4 with 90% w/l filling every game. Bad luck exist, but only short term. (went from 5-11 to 30-20 on this)
I do apparently have just low enough MMR to be in elo hell. So far my matches go win lose win lose win lose win lose. It's not stopped the pattern for days. Well apart from me having win lose win lose win win lose lose. Which still nets me at 2 losses in a series. Sad thing is I still didn't do bad in a teamfight or lane for another 6 series after I originally made this thread. Just why. Why do I get these people on my team, can somebody please just give me people to play with who use their heads? Anyway I'd love to spectate you some time to learn how you do things. Do you stream by any chance?
MiniZav (EUW)
: Smart people dont get stuck in silver on eune http://oi62.tinypic.com/smegc2.jpg http://oi61.tinypic.com/12149kz.jpg Me smurfing trou your elo, fyi, i NEVER played vayne on my main.
that's actually fairly impressive, but I also see you managed to spawn play the same champion over and over. lol.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Alright I can make that a lot shorter. In short what I did say was: It is possible to get carried, whether you are bad, okay or good. It is possible to carry your team or someone in it if you are good or better. It is extremely hard to carry if you have team mates who are bad, aka team mates who reduce your team's chance of winning vs not changing it or improving it. You will not carry every single game, nor will you get carried every single game. In fact many games are won by simply being slightly better than the enemy and winning the game by creeping up to their base. I do get matched with people who reduce my team's chances of winning a lot. I always do my best, whether that is enough to carry or not depends on whether my champion completely counters the enemy and if the enemy has any partial or complete counter to me, or if they are able to compensate with skill. It is entirely possible for either my team or the opposing team to prevent someone from carrying by simply outplaying them, of course not every person has experience in countering the specific champion in question. I only ask that people know how to play the champions that they pick so they can at least to okay with them, instead of not knowing how to use them. An example could be knowing to used zed's ultimate before using Q and E on the opponent.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
That was a lot clearer, yet I was speaking in general of what was possible for the common man. I was not being specific to my own case. I try my best every single game. I do my best. I don't necessarily carry, since carrying isn't the only option, but I try to use my toolkit as best as I can. There is no oh this game I am gonna get carried or oh this game I will be the carry. That is not how I put the case up. Simply put, I have extreme bad luck or just plain horrible matchmaking and am losing because of it. The past few games I won every mid I played and won 7 botlanes, with 1 match on bot being a tie. Still, that's not enough if the top is to feed so much that riven can gank mid freely and ends up with 20+ kills by 30 minutes. Or that she can tower dive vs 2 people and kill both without dying herself. Maybe you are right and I'm blinding myself, but I just can't help but point out errors in your thinking. I only see your argument of "You can climb by getting carried." to hold water. The rest is purely said by you and is not correct since I do not fail any game. At worst I do okay, which means going even, but still with a positive k/d/a ratio. The last of your argument with me only climbing if I get carried is also wrong. All I require are people on my team to not make blatant mistakes. Like the last game I lost. 3 ganks happened where the enemy jungler was behind our jungler, but our jungler and ADC didn't notice this. Of course 2 of these ganks all 3 of us died bot. However on the 3rd time only my ADC and jungler died because they didnt pay attention. I pinged to back off on the enemy shyvana and I started running. Gragas and whoever the ADC was decided to try to poke and run with the enemies and oopsies, shyvana wrecked them by shuving them into the tower. I tried to aid in their escape, but my 2 teammates died. I'm simply stating these are the kind of people that I have to work with and it feels very undeserved when I'm always doing fine, am cheerful in-game and help out the team.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Did you by any chance refer to "The best ranks in the game can be achieved without much skill if one is lucky enough"? Becuase that has the word can in it, not the word will. I can't even find where you get the phrase that guys who carry can't climb. I didn't say any of the sort anywhere.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Try to explain it to me differently so I actuallky know what you are referencing. So far I just see you put words in my mouth, but I can't see the relation from what they came. I can take some info from what's above and call you a flamer because right now you are attacking me instead of my words. Here is me letting you know that, so you can become aware of your actions. Now I would like for you to do the same and tell me where I am confusing or wrong so that we can both move on with more knowledge.
Shiwah (EUW)
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No I don't see the flaw because when I read it I see it for what it says. All one needs is to have is a team that can best the other team. Sometimes the opponent is better and that happens. Other times your team is at a clear disadvantage because of one or more players. The problem I experience is I am rarely at the bottom of my team, yet I experience a lot of losses in games where I play really well, as well as games were I just play well.
: Problem is most ppl here says thats best option is to mute your entire team and don't give a fk because noone wants to listen to them and if they give "feed back" they ends up chat restricted Probably even if they had good intentions to give feedback to other ppl maybe they used wrong words to say it. What I mean by that - there is a difference between "Omg azir when will you use your ult correctly. Fk you have no idea how to use it. omg 0 ults you made was good...Hold it for tf..." and "Hey Azir, our adc has trouble peeling enemies, can you safe your ult to kick away opponents sitting on our adc? It would be really nice from your side". It is no matter what you say but how you say it. Sometimes you may think of someone that he is total idiot and unskilled shit but you know that you have to stimulate him positive if you want to have some good results. If you say to someone " I report you for unskilled if you don't start do better ults". Well this person probably will think "what an asshole" and don't improve. So yea way of saying things is sometimes more important then rest.
whoohoo got into a series with 11/1/7 kassadin. I didn't even wanna play kassadin but fiddlesticks told me to. Gotta gives thanks to a good ADC, support and jungler. Yasuo top said he was useless, but hey at least he took their inhib down twice. Since he was worth 100g or less he just kept pushing and didnt care, which imo was the right thing to do. He made something out of how horrible he was doing. +rep for that.
: Problem is most ppl here says thats best option is to mute your entire team and don't give a fk because noone wants to listen to them and if they give "feed back" they ends up chat restricted Probably even if they had good intentions to give feedback to other ppl maybe they used wrong words to say it. What I mean by that - there is a difference between "Omg azir when will you use your ult correctly. Fk you have no idea how to use it. omg 0 ults you made was good...Hold it for tf..." and "Hey Azir, our adc has trouble peeling enemies, can you safe your ult to kick away opponents sitting on our adc? It would be really nice from your side". It is no matter what you say but how you say it. Sometimes you may think of someone that he is total idiot and unskilled shit but you know that you have to stimulate him positive if you want to have some good results. If you say to someone " I report you for unskilled if you don't start do better ults". Well this person probably will think "what an asshole" and don't improve. So yea way of saying things is sometimes more important then rest.
Yes, absolutely correct. But I did ask azir why he ulted there just once. I saw him fail 7 of his ultimates but only commented once. It seems he didn't even know. But cmon. He should at least try to hit someone with it or something. All I said was why did you use your ulti there? Implying it was a bad move. That was around his 5th ultimate that he wasted. You see in the chat he believed he was good simply because he had most damage dealt. As we know it depends where that damage was dealt whether it was good or not. But total damage dealt to champions is just one of many factors in being good or bad and it was the only thing he could bring up that he did well. Again, I never go wtf was that or go die or you suck. I genuinly only ask once about what they do wrong. A few days ago I told malphite to use his ulti earlier and he just said OK and did it. We ended up winning because of great teamplay. But again, not everyone can take in feedback like that malphite. I only do ask people to report someone if they truly deserve it. The average unskilled person I just report as unskilled and move on. I only tell others to do so when their lack of skill turns the tables in a huge way. Or like if someone just flames a bit and stops after a few minutes to never flame again, then I'll either let it go or report it and be done with it If someone however does like renekton and Leona and flame every single minute of the match, then yes I will tell others to report them for their nonsensical behaviour. Again Leona and Renekton were the ones flaming saying "you suck" "omg" "go die" "you **** immigrant". The only thing I said in the entire match that might have maybe been negative was "why did you ulti there, azir?"
: btw "Ashslayer: can we all just take a moment to please report renekton for feed and insane flame, Leona for unskilled and flame and lastly azir for just unskilled and missuse of his ulti " If you dont change your own attitude of " I know it all. it's all your fault that we lost game" you will meet more and more toxic players as you cause toxic reactions ^^ If you want report someone just report him. without telling to whole world "report x for y reason and report z for a reason also repot c for b reason". It is also toxic and I report such players you can put it to negative attitude as its negative. About team mates you can't claim that your teammates are low and unskilled it's silver elo what do you except from them- challenger skill lvl? I don't think so. Are you better then your current elo - get fed win game don't wait for late game try to carry eraly when your opponents are behind because you are fed. if you have trouble in getting fed it means that probably its your level because your mechanic skills are not in pair of your game knowledge it can happen. So all of us have bad games - games where your entire team feed as fk but it is minority of your games if you are good you will rise in ranked anyway. If you say that your ranked position isn't equal to player skills is damn wrong and its just excuse for pussies that prefer blame bad team mates for holding them down. Lets say after 100 ranked games if you will be still in silver it means you are true silver you have played 10 rankeds or 15 ? It is just start where you end it is something much diffrent. And there is no time for "cri evry tim my tim feed"
a lot of good info here, and I thank you for that. However I do recognize my own mistakes, maybe you didn't get that impression. No I am not a knowitall and no I do not expect challenger level skill from fellow silvers. HOWEVER I do expect common sense and that people dont dive in 1v3, even more so if one of those 3 has the stats of 24/2. Also I disagree on me having toxic behaviour. You see what I do if somebody does something stupid I either dont comment on it, which is the most common reaction of mine, or I actually that this specific action was bad for so and so. I actually give reason and talk with logic. Logic and facts are never wrong. So in the end during the lobby is the only time where I say anything about the people themselves and it is why I have never once been reported. It is not flaming nor toxic to simply point out the facts of their actions. It is however flame to attack the person directly and say that they suck or are bad. Stating that they fed and flamed is a truth because they did. It also seems like every provisional my chance of getting these bad teammates increases. Now I'm a nice guy so I might fill some roles and I do find that getting fed as a support or jungler is slightly more challenging. In fact, I don't get fed as the support. I have been told by people that I should only be mid or ADC because I can carry my team and am not using my full potential in the other roles. Problem is I like to give others the roles that they want because I know I don't do poorly anywhere else. It just feels bad if I take a lane and own it for the price of a teammate having to play something they dont like. Anyway thank you for the good reply and the upbeating message. I will keep trying, but it really sucks losing provisionals because of things out of my own hand.
Spirtikus (EUNE)
: Didn't really read the whole thing. Just play better, stop complaining about your teammates.
but every single loss comes down to my team mates being bad. Or so it feels. 9/10 losses it's because between 1 and 3 people kill themselves on the enemy at the wrong time, feed or just plain flame too much. No matter how good I play, I cannot make up for the mistakes of 2+ people. I win a huge majority of my lanes, above 8/10 in fact. I keep the right focus in team fights, avoid poke and dodge abilities, yet that isn't enough if half my team gets themselves killed before they can do enough damage to be useful. This is the first time I've vented about my team mates because I've had enough beind held back by an unfair matchmaking system that pairs walking sewers with priests. I improve with every game. I keep learning and I appreciate feedback that I'm given. At this point I barely ever learn anything new, but I still keep an open mind. I am pretty much at the best that I can be, so why am I being held back by others? I always do good, never bad. The worst game I had this month I went completely okay. Not bad nor good. All the other ones I always came out ahead in both plays and stats. At least I think people who have a spotless tracking record could get paired with similar people during their provisionals. I mean come on, at least give some kind of reward for being a nice guy.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
To climb you only need wins* Yes it is possible to get carried, but I didn't say you had to. When you do carry you can climb, but you gotta have luck on your side and get team mates as good as the opponents. And as I already stated in the top half of the post, people get carried with luck. The amount of bad players I've seen in plat and diamond is unreal. Usually the worst of them are the ones that say their rank matters, which is kinda funny. I say plays and decision making makes one a good player, not some rank that has been awarded purely on a win by win basis.
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