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: Who is going to turn off chat in the new patch?
Just about any jungler alive. Undead ones too.
: There are a lot of snowflake crybabies too that see -everything- as ruining the game, griefing or trolling, someone picks an unconventional champion gets flagged as a troll, jungler that last hits the wave when the laner is missing is considered a troll, and 'pushing' even though it's last hitting minions that are going to die with no one getting gold/xp otherwise. People expect junglers to win their lanes, or spend their days slaving away at that lane just so they wouldn't start crying cause 'report noob jungler I went 0/5 and I get no help ' I just mute and report people that are making my game experience poor and I'm not obligated to help, or endure people that are examples of the above.
> [{quoted}](name=Honored 4 Sexy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=uY42EhJG,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-13T08:28:51.076+0000) > > People expect junglers to win their lanes, or spend their days slaving away at that lane just so they wouldn't start crying cause 'report noob jungler I went 0/5 and I get no help ' So much **this**. 0 wards, pushing all the time when behind, it's jungler's fault. If it wasn't for the fact that this game is played by kids I would shout "What makes you think it's anyone's responsability but your own to not feed and keep your own lane in check??"
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: Jungling
Steal THEIR farm, muahahaha! But honestly..yeah, taking some lane minions is great exp and gold. Key to doing this is knowing when you can and should do it. Here are few good cases when you can go and take laner's farm: 1. They just died and someone needs to hold the fort so the turret won't get taken for fee. Since you're doing him a solid you deserve some compensation (free minions :3). 2. You can see enemy team far away from yourself and there's an unattended lane nearby ripe for a splitpush (and taking some sweet gold and exp) 3. You just ganked a lane and together with your laner killed the enemy. Now is the time to PUSH, take that plating gold or the entire turret down. This is not time for fancy csing, just go HAM on the wave together with your laner and rush that tower. Unless he's really psycho, he won't mind you getting some cs, since thanks to that he'll get plating gold and every second you spend on hitting that tower rather then dancing around with minions is invaluable. That being said be aware that the worst end of this stick is that you announce your position to the enemy. If it's midlane it's not so bad, but if it's any sidelanes, then that's a big fat call for enemy jungler to counerjungle/take drake/gank the opposite side of the map. So taking lane minions looks a bit more tempting if you at least took care of business in dragon pit first.
: Healthier Jungle Clear: Problems with Krug Camp
{{champion:113}} ? No problem! I don't spare smite on krugs. When my hp is already low or nearing half health, i smite the big one. Popping refillable with red buff on is also my staple. Hunters talsiman can heal you for a ton if you let it. Flail (W) is your friend. Aa a krug twice then try to flail them all! Your target is readdy to be permafrosted, rest are 2 aa's from it and talisman will heal you a lot. After flail...you may choose to run around a bit! Talisman's passive will heal you while you take no damage. Mini krugs spawned? End them asap! Flail works wonders. No need to eat tons of damage from them while you wrestle with medium one/s.
Memuru (EUW)
: I miss Maokai - could we bring him back to support?
{{champion:57}} support is excellent if used as counter-pick. His W point & click root makes short work of enemy short ranged adcs that get disgusting mobility in turn. If you see enemy pick {{champion:67}} , {{champion:236}} , {{champion:429}} or {{champion:145}} , the tree is a pretty solid option to say NO to that.
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aizekor (EUW)
: Thanks for leaving this comment, I really appreciate it. A friend of mine told me not to play support too so I switched to playing amumu jungle every ranked game. I try to carry when I play him as a tank but it's quite hard because I'll ping for assistance so I can jump into a team fight first and my team will do the on my way ping to signal that they'll join me but as soon as I go in they all fight from afar not really doing much and then as soon as I die, they just leave? I only rarely get a team that actually follows me up and even when that happens we're already so behind it doesn't even make a difference xd{{sticker:cass-cry}}
> [{quoted}](name=aizekor,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=8mhyNNoM,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-06-05T17:42:35.831+0000) > > Thanks for leaving this comment, I really appreciate it. A friend of mine told me not to play support too so I switched to playing amumu jungle every ranked game. I try to carry when I play him as a tank but it's quite hard because I'll ping for assistance so I can jump into a team fight first and my team will do the on my way ping to signal that they'll join me but as soon as I go in they all fight from afar not really doing much and then as soon as I die, they just leave? I only rarely get a team that actually follows me up and even when that happens we're already so behind it doesn't even make a difference xd{{sticker:cass-cry}} Your idea ain't bad. In low elo good tank makes all the difference, since low elo players are desperate to play squishy carries and 10 man, 0 tanks scenarios happen too often. And that's pretty much a coin toss of a game. Instead of amumu try {{champion:78}} . She has a hidden passive that's reverse of his - she's cute!! That makes teammates join you much more often!:P That being said, she is also the tank with some real duelling power early on and can gank effectively as soon as lvl 2! Wallslam them with E, add guaranteed Q + aftershock and you just did a shitton of damage all on your own, easy kill or flash with allied laner in the mix. She is also the bane of dash champions. Stopping a yasuo dash then wallslamming his ass and sending him into the afterlife is a staple of poppy jg. She is excellent at peeling threats off allies, including the legendary banhammer ult, so you are a teamfighter no matter the build, because of your kit. Speaking of builds she is very versatile. From full tank to even full lethality, many build work well on her. Staple being a trinity force in there for good objective clearing and making your wallslams pack a punch. The downside to her is that she is slow so you need some movement speed boost (i recommend relentless hunter rune in domination), her solo drake taking is also slow unless you invest heavily into damage (like triforce + warrior's enchant) and she wil lose most 1v1 if she fails to get her wallslam off. And ofc - she is an excellent counterpick vs dash champs ({{champion:157}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:18}}, {{champion:154}} and many more..), but a poor pick vs juggernauts ({{champion:2}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:72}} ). Oh and two red alerts {{champion:11}} , {{champion:24}} . Avoid them like the plague!
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >Feeling like you're not making any difference? That's because you aren't. The support is the shittiest role to have then you are doing something wrong, and YOU should ditch it, ppl who can play support have more impact than top/mid/adc...
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=8mhyNNoM,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-05T13:47:34.024+0000) > > then you are doing something wrong, and YOU should ditch it, ppl who can play support have more impact than top/mid/adc... I have ditched it, and enjoying the results of that decision. As have quite a few supports i knew. Only then did they start actually climbing. Support role is the worst role for climbing bar none **IN LOW ELO**. Yeah supports can hard carry, but in high elo. Because in high elo: 1. adcs know their shit and don't waste your plays. Also because they know their shit it's' not possible for them to get in a cheap kill solo vs equally skilled adc, and it's the support that makes or breaks the lane. 2. Vision is a team effort and not you vs the world. 3. Team knows what teamwork is, which is the core of support role. Make plays for team. But in low elo all of that is a rare luxury bordering on level of myths and legends. If your adc doesn't %%%% up the lane, then you can look forward to watching midlaner or top feed their ass off. Not to mention junglers whose mistakes range from just farming with no ganks, to tryharding ganks that aren't possible or they are not ready for them yet (hello pre 6 eve going 1/11) and many, many more. To prevail in such a chaotic shitfest you need to take matters into your hands and carry yourself. Do the damage, get the objectives, kill enemies who get in your way, close out your game before it hits 40 minute mark at which point it's pretty much a coin toss. Supports **suck** at this without team that works with them. "But i saw a vid of support smurf climbing with support only!". And is the OP a support smurf? No? Exactly. If he's not **way** above other's skill level then support role in low elo will deliver the most random, unrewarding and nerve-wracking experience to him. If you need to feel that your success more often then not actually translates into end game result, support is the last role to go for if you're low elo.
: CRITICAL ERROR OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
aizekor (EUW)
: I'm physically incapable of winning
My advice: ditch support. Feeling like you're not making any difference? That's because you aren't. The support is the shittiest role to have because no matter how good you yourself are, you're still: a) gold and exp deprived b) at mercy of idiocy of your adc (good luck getting adcs that know what wave control is or when to go in and when to stay put). c) unable to carry even if you get fed, because of a). A fed support will not stand up to a fed enemy mid or top, and if you're fed, your adc isn't. Go solo lane or jg, though i recommend solo lane. You will learn critical stuff like csing, trading, wave control, things that as support you're either denied or have no control over. Watch your efforts produce **results**, because there's no dumbass adc ruining your wave control attempts, missing cs you wouldn't or feeding the enemy while you actually play safe and don't die. Not to mention all those objectives that a support will spend eternity trying to take because of his crap damage, while for a solo laner you just waltz in there and take what's yours. If you're hellbent on staying in that shitfest of a role, get a strong premade adc buddy, and just queue with him. It'll still suck, because the game will try to compensate your strong adc buddy by giving you the best iron4 has to offer for teammates, but at least your lane will be somewhat reliable and consistent.
Adama (EUW)
: so many trolls in low diamond lmao I've played this game for 7 years and never have I seen it worse.
10th game? Dude that's %%%%ing Hilton compared to silver. And screw offmeta, i dig offmeta. Here it's a celebration when you're not 4v5 because someone had to go afk the whole game (this is happening on a daily basis to me).
PoLiteUs (EUW)
: League Seems Too Soft, This Game is Supposed To Be For Teens Or 3 Years Old kids?
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: What I hate most about playing in low ELO as a support
> [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEsZB6o8,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-14T07:26:49.996+0000) > > 2 things actually. First of all my adc doesn't know shit about wave management (...) Truer words were never spoken. I feel your pain in my bones bro, as a {{champion:89}} player, watching brain dead adc shove wave under enemy turret, them doing a freeze and there's not a jack i can do about it, until i get some items allowing me to dive. Stupid adc can literally prevent your lane from getting any progress, even if he doesn't die at all, simply by letting enemy control the wave or right down giving them a freeze for free....
: Kits you Thematically disagree with
{{champion:111}} Looks like he weighs couple of tons, yet when hooking an enemy they both get pulled to eachother like they were equals. Meanwhile {{champion:53}} or worse off {{champion:555}} can pull enemies to themselves without having to move an inch..
Stunˆˆ (EUW)
: Don't listen to his advice. Here's why: 1. Statistically, if you play better than your lane opponent consistently you will win more games than you lose and you will climb. Sure, losing sprees happen, bad teams happen, bad days happen. But if you are _**consistently better**_ in any role than your lane opponent you can climb. 2. Janna, Soraka and Sona are still some of the strongest champs in soloq. In lower elo I would stick to Sona though. 3. You will get bad ADCs, but so will the enemy team - don't worry about that. As long as you play better than the enemy support that's all you need to think about. 4. **Play whatever you find fun. It's a game after all.** Source: I hit dia 4 as a janna main in season 6, starting from silver 4. In season 7 I had less time to play, but still reached mid plat on 3 accounts as a support main. I've started a new account for season 8 after returning from an extended break, started from iron 4 (like all new accounts now) and currently silver 1 playing Zyra/Leona/Janna/Karma/Soraka.
> [{quoted}](name=Stunˆˆ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=g5KazwuX,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2019-01-07T17:49:23.831+0000) > > Don't listen to his advice. Here's why: > > 1. Statistically, if you play better than your lane opponent consistently you will win more games than you lose and you will climb. Sure, losing sprees happen, bad teams happen, bad days happen. But if you are _**consistently better**_ in any role than your lane opponent you can climb. > 2. Janna, Soraka and Sona are still some of the strongest champs in soloq. In lower elo I would stick to Sona though. > 3. You will get bad ADCs, but so will the enemy team - don't worry about that. As long as you play better than the enemy support that's all you need to think about. > 4. **Play whatever you find fun. It's a game after all.** > > Source: I hit dia 4 as a janna main in season 6, starting from silver 4. In season 7 I had less time to play, but still reached mid plat on 3 accounts as a support main. I've started a new account for season 8 after returning from an extended break, started from iron 4 (like all new accounts now) and currently silver 1 playing Zyra/Leona/Janna/Karma/Soraka. Don't listen to this guy - notice **how** he climbed - with a freaking Janna! Yeah sure that works - becuase Janna doesn't really take risks, she's an enchanter/peeler. Try something like Leona and you'll soon notice bad adcs can ruin your best games, and it's not a cinch to climb up as a tank!
Voidner (EUNE)
: Can we get new icons for older items?
{{item:3905}} that's the ugliest icon i've seen for a "new" item...
: A comprehensive guide on how to get ganked.
Also know your and enemy's jungler. Not expecting a lvl 2 gank from enemy twitch jg is on you, and expecting evelynn to gank left and right before 6 is also a huge mistake.
Lumji (EUW)
: Is it worth to play support in your opinion?
Don't play support as a "role to climb". For one in low elo it is indeed hard to climb with it. Secondly support is the polar opposite of normal laning - you're not supposed to cs, not supposed to take kills, maybe even expected to suicide to protect teammates. If you go to other lanes after being used to support playstyle, you'll have harder time then most. Well, you will for sure have much better warding habits and play safer then most, but csing, trading etc will be things you have to learn from scratch opposed to if you played adc, mid or top where you already got some experience under your belt in "normal laning". Do play support if that's just your thing. I hate solo lanes, and adcs are boring for me. So support role fits me (that or jungle). But that's not a choice i made with hard climbing in mind.
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: Senna (Lucians Wife)
She's already a champion...well part of one....generally stuffing for his lantern {{champion:412}} ahahahahahaha
: Whats going on? (lets Discuss the current league state but not in terms of gameplay itself)
Lp gains are botched. I have 47% winrate, and i get 13lp per win while 21+ per loss? Even after a winstreak it doesn't seem to budge. Other then that too much stealth in recent champs. Akali. Neeko, Pyke ...where's the counterplay? Especially in Akali's case.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Akali's kit shines light on a looming problem with new champions and reworks
Good news - Pyke ulti is not true damage. It's pure damage (like laser at fountain). You're welcome!{{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
: With the introduction of 4 tiers instead of 5, it's easier to demote
> [{quoted}](name=Kill and Win,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Vo4fwlo5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-15T16:00:05.183+0000) > > With the introduction of 4 tiers instead of 5, it's easier to demote Ah right you are, mb, ofc i'm flowing between g4 and s1, not g5 xD But still because i get really rotten games i eat horrible mmr losses but can't be demoted and then get 2x the lp losses then gains. It's shit!
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: Just stop buying RP untill they stop this whole "exclusive chroma, prestige chroma, limited bundle" bullshit. Next thing you know they'll be adding season passes.
> [{quoted}](name=Spooky Skeleton,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8iN4a9d1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-07T14:24:35.190+0000) > > Just stop buying RP untill they stop this whole "exclusive chroma, prestige chroma, limited bundle" bullshit. > Next thing you know they'll be adding season passes. No need to be this hardcore. It's enough to simply spend said rp on good deals and not drop it into these scummy bundles that try to take a chroma/border/icons hostage and "Cough up ton of $$" or have incomplete set. When these "kidnapper bundles" see decreased sales, they'll get the hint.
Yiphobia (EUW)
: I stopped buying skins for this reason. It's getting way over the top now. Throwing out too much shit, I'm not going to be spending as much as I have done in the past. It's getting hard on my wallet now. I'll be buying the pass and that's it. The pass is also a joke. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=Yiphobia,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FBZqAZEA,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-06T14:28:15.448+0000) > > I stopped buying skins for this reason. It's getting way over the top now. Throwing out too much shit, I'm not going to be spending as much as I have done in the past. It's getting hard on my wallet now. I'll be buying the pass and that's it. The pass is also a joke. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Well you do have to consider there is around 140 champs out there. If they went slow on releasing new skins, some might never see a new skin for their less popular champion pick. BIgger problem is how they try to get more $$ for less and are trying to armtwist those interested in particular skin into taking the bad deal (like overpriced bundes that don't allow you to get some of their shit any other way then buying said bundle).
Rellaes (EUW)
: I just wanted to buy Neeko skin and her icon...
Still better then eclipse Leona bundle, at least here you get a matching ward...
: Imho onetricking is bad for you in the long run.
> [{quoted}](name=Azure Dancer,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=JQW3bBRm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-03T20:10:50.804+0000) > > Imho onetricking is bad for you in the long run. I respectfully disagree. One tricking means you will run into counters and will have to face them from the underdog's perspective. That will force you to really learn your enemies, their own weaknessess, windows for making plays, powerspikes and what not. While certainly not a pleasent experience (getting stomped over and over before you learn and start fighting back) it'll make you a much better player overall. Later you can opt to learn more champs - knowledge you gained will carry on with you.
Mada (EUW)
: Can you make the "Grievous wounds" items glowing red in the shop when healing is a problem?
Can you make banana icons appear near currently available objectives? I'm sure it would help players get around to taking them...
: Roit i need more events and or missions! <3
Snowdown whoo-peee... I wanted missions for Eclipse Leo, not some x-mass/winter skins you get every year, every game, every winter...
Leogolas (EUNE)
: Best Champions to climb up
If support then {{champion:89}} . Recent changes heavily favor killmages in botlane {{champion:63}} , {{champion:161}} , {{champion:143}} ), and Leo's a well known counter with her huge lockdown and on demand resists. Also since she just had new legendary skin dropped, you can expect no nerfs to her for a while. And if you're a freaking oddball like me, {{champion:106}} support, least in low elo. As long as you're not against {{champion:40}} , {{champion:54}} , {{champion:22}} or a good {{champion:412}} you can really tear them open a new one with this vicious bear!
: Will "Blood Lord Vladimir" get a visual update?
I would be very VERY careful when touching Blood Lord Vlad. Here's why: 1. Absolute BADASS voiceover. "Kneel Before Vlad!" is worth 50 quotes on other skins. 2. The splashart's FACE is amazing. The feeling of centuries old desolation yet also POWER resonates from that artwork. Background? Shit. Armor? Subject to change if you like. But that face NAILS what i expect from the skin. As for ingame model - yeah, that one needs VGU. I get KISS band member instead of what i see in artwork. As long as the feeling of centuries old BLOOD LORD is conveyed proper (no homo "Twilight" vampires, no "Interview with vampire" elegant vampires), we can talk.
: Split it to two icons and two borders. It's still dumb and pricey, but it's not as crazy as you guys make it out to be.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GqgqGIxP,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-11-30T12:34:23.542+0000) > > Split it to two icons and two borders. It&#x27;s still dumb and pricey, but it&#x27;s not as crazy as you guys make it out to be. Reason i'm making a fuss is because it's "boiling the frog" a.k.a. small steps of getting more and more shady. Here and now it's a bundle that despite what past offerings made us used to, is money lost, not gained, if you choose the bundle instead of separate purchases. And then there are no separate skin + icon + border bundles for each version of the skin. And then there's the fact, that the skin has horrendously little special interactions for a 2018 legendary... You can see Riot trying to cut corners and milk $$ on every corner with eclipse Leo. I appreaciate the skin's beauty and transformations, but i will not let such shady ploys go unnoticed and not called out. If i do, they'll just get even more lazy and shady next time around...
: They had so much costs on e sports they didn't even sent the casters to korea. Guess they are losing out on the standard money they make and therfor overprice such things to get the costs back in.
> [{quoted}](name=PaG VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GqgqGIxP,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-30T00:11:45.426+0000) > > They had so much costs on e sports they didn&#x27;t even sent the casters to korea. Guess they are losing out on the standard money they make and therfor overprice such things to get the costs back in. That's quite the interesting observation there, didn't know that one!
: I bought both skins seperatly for 2810 and it still costs me 1100 to get the mega bundle. Gj rito games. It costs more then before buying the skins.
> [{quoted}](name=PaG VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GqgqGIxP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-29T15:34:05.775+0000) > > I bought both skins seperatly for 2810 and it still costs me 1100 to get the mega bundle. Gj rito games. It costs more then before buying the skins. Lol, 550RP per icon then? Daaamn, those must've been designed by late Leonardo da vinci himself {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: I don't think you get the variant discount with the bundle, only the standard one that goes with all bundles.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GqgqGIxP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-29T14:43:21.493+0000) > > I don&#x27;t think you get the variant discount with the bundle, only the standard one that goes with all bundles. That's still hardly any type of deal, if standalone versions of Leo's skin do have the Variant discount. Bundle is only attractive price-wise, if it's components are cheaper in it then when obtained separately.
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: wow, actually i didnt know that and bought bundle -_-
> [{quoted}](name=RedHead Queen,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4MQE9lLk,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-11-28T14:39:14.337+0000) > > wow, actually i didnt know that and bought bundle -_- Bundle is a rip-off, but for other reasons. The skin discount when you owe one is also present in bundle. It's the icons that end up costing 350 rp each, that is a pure rip-off and makes you ask the question: How is this bundle supposed to be a good deal? Even "average deal" would be an overstatement...
: Why u should buy the two versions? Buy the one and wait 6 months for buy the other with 1350 rp...At 6 months u can buy these skins with 1350 rp... Anyways riot should change the bundle... 1 skin = 1820 rp and both skins 2400 rp..
> [{quoted}](name=WhiteLiοn,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fdLiHP15,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-11-28T14:58:04.788+0000) > > Why u should buy the two versions? Buy the one and wait 6 months for buy the other with 1350 rp...At 6 months u can buy these skins with 1350 rp... > > Anyways riot should change the bundle... 1 skin = 1820 rp and both skins 2400 rp.. Problem exists when you want to get a matching icon and border for Eclipse Leona of your choice. Instead of having let's say Lunar and Solar bundles in addition to mega one, we are given two options - bare skin with no extras or buy the 3.5k bundle, even when all you want is just one variant and it's matching accessories, not both.
: I'm just commenting what you wrote. I think everyone can have an opinion. And I see that under this topic people madly downvote everyone that have something else to say. Skins are a bonus. It always was. You can buy it or not. If Riot decided that you can get icon and border only in a pack then they have every right to do it. This is how marketing/busisness works. And it's like that in every game I play. There will be people who can spend money on it to enjoy the content and there will be people who think it's pointless and will play without it. If you are between - it's not Riot's problem. And before you start downvoting (nah, don't care really) and criticizing such pov then let me tell you - every game, while growing, will rise costs and change strategy to grow even more. We should be happy that this game is still free and any additional content don't help people to win matches.
> [{quoted}](name=RedHead Queen,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fdLiHP15,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-11-28T12:00:02.352+0000) > > I&#x27;m just commenting what you wrote. I think everyone can have an opinion. And I see that under this topic people madly downvote everyone that have something else to say. > > Skins are a bonus. It always was. You can buy it or not. If Riot decided that you can get icon and border only in a pack then they have every right to do it. This is how marketing/busisness works. And it&#x27;s like that in every game I play. > > There will be people who can spend money on it to enjoy the content and there will be people who think it&#x27;s pointless and will play without it. > If you are between - it&#x27;s not Riot&#x27;s problem. > And before you start downvoting (nah, don&#x27;t care really) and criticizing such pov then let me tell you - every game, while growing, will rise costs and change strategy to grow even more. We should be happy that this game is still free and any additional content don&#x27;t help people to win matches. How **marketing** works is that they try to push for more profit at less cost, current variant skins being shining example, while trying to convince us we're lucky they did. How **business** works is that at the other end of the rope there are aware customers that oppose such ploys and make noise so others will not just walk into it. This is a needed and healthy thing to do as it keeps things balanced and ironicallly both players and Riot get the best deal. If Riot's sales ploys (and there are fair amounts of these already) get outta control, at one point the straw will break and players will walk. If we, the customers had everything our way, Riot would go broke;p I can understand that. But right now, by adamantly shutting icons and borders in mega bundle, not providing dedicated solar and lunar bundles, nor any way to earn icons and borders via missions, Riot is showing their greed is in overdrive. The very modest amount of quotes compared to recent legendaries (God King Garen has 3x longer special interaction vid!!), along with Pajama skins is showing that trend clear as day. Ofc it's their business and they don't owe us to put icons and borders outside the mega bundle. But we the customers equally do not owe them to go along with it, buying (and paying!!) twice more then we should, if all we want is one skin variant and it's accessories.
: well I'm sane and I did it. Because I like both skins...
> [{quoted}](name=RedHead Queen,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fdLiHP15,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-11-28T11:18:29.094+0000) > > well I&#x27;m sane and I did it. Because I like both skins... Don't twist the meaning of my post around. If you like both skins then there's nothing wrong with buying the mega bundle. I speak for those who want only one version with no interest in the other, yet are being pressured to pay almost twice the price of skin just to have a matching icon and border, since the rest of it's content is of no interest to us.
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: the entire idea of the skins is that they are opposites, but are together. It's all just 1 big thing, so it's logical to put both the skins together, and to get a border for the "event" you should buy what they give with the event, which is both skins. If you want the skin, buy the skin, if you don't want to buy the other skin to have the extra stuff, just don't buy the extra stuff. It's not Riot that's doing something wrong here, it's you
> [{quoted}](name=lispaton,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fdLiHP15,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-11-28T01:09:46.640+0000) > > the entire idea of the skins is that they are opposites, but are together. It&#x27;s all just 1 big thing, so it&#x27;s logical to put both the skins together, and to get a border for the &quot;event&quot; you should buy what they give with the event, which is both skins. If you want the skin, buy the skin, if you don&#x27;t want to buy the other skin to have the extra stuff, just don&#x27;t buy the extra stuff. It&#x27;s not Riot that&#x27;s doing something wrong here, it&#x27;s you It's not illogical to offer 2 skins and their accessories in one mega bundle for those who want them both. But is is **shady as hell** to try and force the purchase of said bundle on those who simply want **complete experience** for a single variant of the skin (be it just solar or just lunar). Borders are supposed to be rewards for skin launch purchase - you buy it here and now at full price, not waiting for any discounts - you get the border for piooneer buyer bragging rights. Often those are also available by doing ingame missions. And not by "give me more money" (almost 2x RP). It's not the bundle existing that's the issue, it's the separate icon/border purchases, or dedicated Lunar only/ Solar only bundles not existing..
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