: It's all fine and well now! After a support ticket he's got his ban reversed into a 2 weeks one. Thank you for your concern!
No problem, I'm here to help you guys after all ^_^
: > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-15T10:35:55.025+0000) > > Greetings CurlyBastard, > > You have a few facts wrong about why or how the system is set up, so I thought I'd clarify by correcting those details. > > To start off with, you need to know that the system is calibrated in such a way, that it will not trigger a review unless someone reports the individual, so that means that someone in that match decided to report him > > So if no one had reported him that match, he could easily said those things and gotten away with it, without any repercussions. > > > The IFS you're referring to, is designed to give the player(s) feedback within a couple of minutes, so that the memory of the games are still fresh, and they know exactly what type of behavior was unwarranted. > So I think you mean to say that the punishment system is erroneous, rather than the IFS being at fault. That's all well and good but if the system can't distinguish context (which it clearly can't) then how much use is it?
The irony is not lost on me. I've clearly explained that a large part of the context is put in human hands, and thus even though what the individual wrote was rather severe, as long as noone reported him for it, he wouldn't have been punished. If you're thinking about the larger picture, then there's no system on earth, which can accurately gauge context, partially because everyone experiencing context differently. With that being said, the system is becoming increasingly intuitive to the point where it is more accurate in a large % of cases, as proven by the Tribunal.
: An update: he's now permabanned because IFS failed to do what it's supposed to do. IFS got delayed and we had mocking game in the aram after this very game in the OP. He got reported yet again. Game #1 (OP) gave him a 14 day ban which is a warning before perma and game #2 instantly gave him perma afterwards so it was without warning basically.
This seems like a pretty silly case, could you tell me the summoner name of the perma banned guy pretty please? Alternatively, have him respond and tell me. While I can't guarantee anything since I don't know the details, I can make sure it's looked into, and if as you say he received a premature perma, I'm pretty confident they'll end up reversing it.
: IFS - incredible %%%%up system?
Greetings CurlyBastard, You have a few facts wrong about why or how the system is set up, so I thought I'd clarify by correcting those details. To start off with, you need to know that the system is calibrated in such a way, that it will not trigger a review unless someone reports the individual, so that means that someone in that match decided to report him So if no one had reported him that match, he could easily said those things and gotten away with it, without any repercussions. The IFS you're referring to, is designed to give the player(s) feedback within a couple of minutes, so that the memory of the games are still fresh, and they know exactly what type of behavior was unwarranted. So I think you mean to say that the punishment system is erroneous, rather than the IFS being at fault.
: this guy on boards...
Report the content, and the moderation team will get to them rather quickly.
: 1. **'Sa**, not **Sa'**. 2. Depends of how focus you are in this moment. Maybe in the morning you could see the "Sol" at the first read. Even I read it one time and didn't know at which champion he refer to but after I saw his name and press ctrl+f and got it. 3. First time I skipped the post and went directly to comments to see if its worth to waste my time reading it. I saw that someone needs help so was a 2 for 1. > Not to mention, that the sentence you're referring to is halway in his post, by then it should've already been clarified. Do you expect only normal discussions on this boards? :))
> Do you expect only normal discussions on this boards? :)) One can always dream, or at the very least help guide the players a bit, so that they can improve their communicative skills. Sa's technically, but nevermind that, it's still a great example to use here, I could've argued that the scaling was rather high on that ability rather than the range, which would've been even more confusing.
: "Literally a champion with two basic abilities is already beating **Sol **in EVERY ASPECT."
So if I said Sa' range is super annoying! You'd know which champion I was talking about? Not to mention, that the sentence you're referring to is halway in his post, by then it should've already been clarified.
: {{champion:136}} Probably he got 60 hp buff on level 1 this patch
Fair point, some of the concepts he referenced didn't make a whole lot of sense without this key piece of information. I thought he was talking about Kennen since that's the champion another player mentioned.
: 1. His name is in the post, read more closely 2. Guess his play rate dropped so bad after this shit-rework that people forgot he even existed 3. Look at my summoner name 4. Look at my summoner icon
I've read your post 3 times already, still can't find any name beyond Syndra (which you're using as a reference). You need to work on your ability to convey information. It doesn't matter whether you're correct or not, if you're unable to get your message across.
: 0.25 AP ratio, is this a %%%%ing joke?
I have no idea which champion you're referring to, maybe you should clarify a bit more in your thread what or who you're referrering to ?
: Violation: Providing deconstructive feedback lol your opinion only matters when it goes along with w
Greetings littlesunshinez, I would like to start by redirecting you to the [universal rules](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/3eWpXbJi). When it comes to posts that request information about how moderation is handled, the moderators are rather lax, hence why your post hasn't ben removed despite the insults and bigotry. I would like to clarify that such behavior alone is a complete no go on these Boards. While you're entitled to your opinion *(although there's a few that legally aren't allowed to be remain on these Boards), what causes the moderators to remove such posts are often a question about how you've presented that opinion, rather than the opinion itself. Let me give you 2 examples. ***** ##First example: https://i.imgur.com/NVwOsaa.jpg An argument was made about the mentality behind _questionable_ content, and then some logic was applied about the nature of how humans think and act. While this may or may not be entirely accurate, the reasoning behind does make sense, which is a great opportunity to discuss the thoughts behind. If we turn this around onto the game, we could say that every new player is stupid, in the scope of their game knowledge, but how they choose to overcome that apparent disadvantage is entirely up to them. On the other hand, if they're being toxic they will be dealt with accordingly. ##Second example: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gyoYqWlMBQ8/hqdefault.jpg If that was literally happening, I doubt they'd be roasting wieners. If some colorful language was added to that, it'd be a complete no go as well. The only useful information such a post would provide, is that there's an issue, the scope of that issue isn't specified, so it could be anything ranging from ISP backbone issues, DNS-server problems, client side, account specific problems, ranked has been disabled, issues on another server not related to EUW, maybe the player typed in their username/password incorrectly, and so on. By itself there's simply not enough information to be useful. **** I hope this proved enlightening to you about how the moderators perceive constructive vs deconstructive feedback. ######Edit: I should probably also mention that this isn't exactly the correct sub board for this type of discussion.
: reporting a massive racism
Ehm....? I'm confused, did you intentionally set it as undefined? If you did there's not a whole lot I can do. If you didn't, I'd ask you to [submit a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/requests/new) to Player Support.
bbita (EUNE)
: delete the sentence god like for the game
Greetings bbita, I'm assuming you're referring to the boards, but I can't find the content you're requesting. Is there any chance you could be more specific and tell me which comment was removed, or which account it happened on?
VEELEN (EUNE)
: My question is bit more serious: Is it really legal to forbid acess to goods bought and paid (aka. owned) by someone? And i mean RP here - because skins are something else ofcrs :) Well probably legal (in some twisted impossible to undertand by normal human being law stuff) because RIOT is trilzillion company so they took care for that. But is it fair to perm-ban someone for words spoken? Perm-ban for chat sure, but deleting account and taking away whole money and time invested seems like hardcore overkill. Dont get me wrong - racists f.ex. deserves perm, im sick and tired of missbehave in LOL, but for such stuff like"noob" word? Too much.
Yes, Riot is legally allowed to do so. The short version is that they contain the rights to the game, and they're giving you a nonexclusive license to access the services and game. > 2.1.2. Us. We may terminate or suspend your account if we determine, acting reasonably that: > > * you have violated any part of this Agreement; > * we have stopped offering the Riot Services in your region; or > * doing so would be in the best interests of our community, the Riot Services, or the rights of a third party. > >We may make such determinations, among other ways, by using automated systems and machine learning tools. > >2.1.3. The Tribunal®. The Tribunal® system allows our community of users to police the compliance of other users with the “Summoner’s Code,” which outlines the principles of ideal game play behavior, as well as with our other policies. Community members, including you, may submit descriptions of activity and actions of certain users within the Game, and collectively determine if that particular user was in compliance with our policies. If The Tribunal determines, in its sole discretion, that you have violated one of our policies, we may suspend or terminate your account on behalf of the community. > >2.2. What happens if my account is terminated? (No LoL for you.) > >If your account is terminated for one of the reasons referred to in clause 2.1, you’ll no longer have access to it, including any of the associated data or content (e.g., champions, skins, Riot Points, etc.). Where we terminate for a legitimate reason, for example where you have breached this Agreement, you’ll not be entitled to any refunds and we’ll have no liability to you. We also reserve the right to terminate any other accounts you may have created, as well as your access to any other Riot Services (also without any refunds or liability to you). > >You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately. [Source](https://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#section2)
C4libur (EUNE)
: Embowered Kai'sa W in ARAM is Invisible
Are you able to reproduce this bug? Sometimes skillshots and abilities can become invisible on the client side of things (i.e. your computer) for a single match, the way to fix it, is usually to reload the match. The best time to do so, is when you're dead. Obviously this doesn't just refer to Kai'Sa abilities, but for any champion. I still remember one particular match where I couldn't see any of Ziggs abilities, that was rather annoying.
: Tllt Types ain't showing your type of tilt?
Feedback forwarded, however please notice that it's weekend so there's not a lot of people at work during this time I'm afraid :(
Najibal (EUW)
: IS THAT WORTH 14 days ban ??
Greetings Najibal, There are some stuff in that chatlog which is worth a review, and thus some form of attention. However because of how the system is built, the question you should be asking isn't "Is this worth a xxx-ban" but rather "does this warrant attention". If the answer to that question is yes, then the system will automatically determine which level of punishment you'll end up receiving. And obviously, if you have previous punishments, it means that the next punishment will be even more severe. Since you received a 2-week ban for that, the next punishment will be a permanent ban on that account, so I highgly suggest that you change your behavior while you still have the opportunity to do so.
Flow1999 (EUNE)
: https://pastebin.com/raw/xZyRumM4
Bulgaria Bulgaria Plovdiv Elitkom Ltd. Via. Bulgartel to Riot Direct.
Flow1999 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=AqaYtmpR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-05T18:47:21.916+0000) > > Greetings Flow1999, > > It seems your problem has subsided, based on the symptoms I'd wager the issues you were experiencing has to do with your ISP. It happens really rarely but the problem persist. Also apparently every ISP in Bulgaria is problematic because i've experinced the same thing in 2 different locations with 2 different ISPs
That's quite common since they often rent some part of each others networking structure, one way to test this is by running a tracert. * Press the [Windows Key] (that is the key on the left side of the space bar, between ctrl and alt) + R * Type cmd in the search bar and click "Ok". You should now see a black window with white letters * Highlight and copy the following commands one by one: > (tracert 162.249.78.1) > "%USERPROFILE%\Desktop\TracertEUNE1.txt" and > (tracert 162.249.73.1) > "%USERPROFILE%\Desktop\TracertEUNE2.txt" and > (tracert 185.40.64.1) > "%USERPROFILE%\Desktop\TracertEUNE3.txt" * Paste these into the cmd window (black box with white letters) one by one by right clicking and selecting "Paste". Do not use the Ctrl+V shortcut as it will not work! * Depending on your connection, the trace may take 5-15 minutes to complete. A text file with the Tracert log will be created on your Desktop when it finishes * Open it using notepad or a similar program * Select everything (ctrl + A) and copy it * Go to [pastebin.com](http://pastebin.com/) and paste the content there * Set the expiration date to 1 week * Submit it * Share the link with us Once you have that file, you can usually see who each node belongs to, so if there's a clog anywhere the issue usually becomes apparent rather quickly .
CarryAll (EUNE)
: There you go: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Eternals
Thank you, now this thread makes sense. And I completely agree, enemies killed by R is incredibly silly for a number of reasons. There's more than 1 use for a global ulti, obviously stealing bigger monsters is one thing, but another is the utility you get from being able to push a wave from the other side of the map, setting up a 5v4 scenario up to a minute later. On top of that, if you don't play Draven a lot, the number is going to be incredibly low, even if you're a god at Draven and manage to score at least 2-3 kills with it per match. A much better parameter to choose, would be 'axes caught', and then either choose the total or % of axes caught compared to axes dropped, or a simple average axes caught per match.
: A bit disappointed with draven's Eternal
I'm not staying up to date with everything, but when it comes to Draven I'll make an effort, could you lead me in the right direction please? What is 'eternal' and where can I read up on it, especially when it concerns Draven?
Flow1999 (EUNE)
: Riot Games is insane company
Greetings Flow1999, It seems your problem has subsided, based on the symptoms I'd wager the issues you were experiencing has to do with your ISP.
clubber94 (EUW)
: no i dont but it also changes nothing, ive checked my disk for bugs, nothing. i also let the installation load over night and nothing happened. dont know whats wrong
Greetings clubber94, Quick question, have you tried running it with admin rights? I can think of a number of causes for something like this, most of which NoTeefy seems to have referenced as well. I suspect this has to do with permission, and the two sides of that coin would be Anti Virus programs and sufficient privileges to run as intended *(admin rights). However since the permission issues often represents slightly different, there is a possibility this could be network related, in which case I'd refer you to [this](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752664) specific article, with details that explains how to handle most if not all of the networking related issues. Let me know what you find out.
Nidrio (EUW)
: So i get a suspention for replying to a hard flamer?
Greetings Nidrio, As long as you report people, they will be dealt with accordingly. Would you mind showing us your chatlog to we can see for what reason you were punished?
: My feedback to Riot
Greetings GamerForLifee, I've seen similar arguments made a lot of times, so I'll parrot what the Rioters usually respond with to give some perspective. All humans are different, and it's the same with Rioters, people have their own areas of expertise, and asking an artist to work on network security is a recipe for disaster. Alternatively, you could say that Riot should focus some more on the algorithms for matchmaking, queues and mmr.
: You racist. You white supremacist! How dare you think of good as white! ~~(It's a joke don't ban me secound time for it)~~
If in doubt..... just don't. As for the thread, I like Draven, if anything they should increase the scaling with raw ad, buff his base AS a bit and nerf the scaling AS.
: Worst Region by far is...
Thread has derailed, so we're closing it.
: Chat logs are great for in-game abuse (in theory) but what about pre/post lobby?
Same concept, take screenshots as needed and forward them to support if you believe they warrant action.
VESKO14 (EUNE)
: The most TOXIC player ever
Greetings VESKO14, You can use the F12-key to take screenshots while in-game. As for the chatlogs, I suggest you reach out to [Player Support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/requests/new), and have them review the case. When it comes to players intentionally trying to avoid the filter, it's a pretty good idea to reach out since they'll be able to fine tune the system, or at the very least find patterns with other people doing something similar.
PaulBunyun (EUNE)
: So, the chat is indeed meant to be used as a way to communicate game-related stuff, tactical calls ganks and so on. However, it can also be used to get some friendly banter here and there and crack a joke or two, no one will kill for it as long as is stays in the realm of appropriate and doesn't go into stuff that can be perceived as negative. The system itself is quite permissive and only triggers when you start arguing for nothing and going at it when someone makes mistakes, or you just go full negative and start spamming racial slurs, homophobia or things that are at this level.
If machine learning could read intentions and read minds, all the problems would be resolved instantaneously, on top of it all you'd even be given a thorough explanation you could use. Unfortunately, reality isn't always as generous. Although I'm personally ambivalent about this particular case, I think it's a great case to study as an outlier. I couldn't help but notice you like Draven, so maybe you'll like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TE6hhHL8n0) as well (although it's a bit out of season).
coroziune (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=King oƒ River,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=sJB36K6h,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-08-28T07:16:15.821+0000) > > lol so mad mad for what ? you even knwo or remember what I am talking about ? Somebody posted exact same pose like him just that he reached platinum, and mr CJXander ( felt the need to write that its not big deal, that platinum it's nothing, its mediocre, etc. Now he did same just diamond like somehow diamond is so special and deserve praise and platinum need to be shamed. so no I am not mad, I am disgusted by hypocrisy, and that moderators ban people in left and right (when they aren't in vacation, when they are in vacation porn site live on boards for 2 weeks), but not touch him since he do freelancing for RIOT
Could you please give me a reference so I have something to compare this against?
Spearki (EUW)
: yes pls was gonna get hansiman to do it talked yesterday with him but hes not online and thx :3 ps no hard feelings between us oki? :P
Done. Det skal du ikke bekymre dig om, hvad dem der læser med ser ud til at glemme, er at jeg repræsenterer spillerne.
Spearki (EUW)
: https://imgur.com/3xhYFOB https://imgur.com/5fqqm53 So here is where we at and i don't think we gonna get any further in this case and its up to ppl them self to interpreted(dunno how to spell this word) these things but here is how i see it with my experience with how the system works over the last 4-5years. Now i agree with riot the old logs they linked was indeed toxic here is my problem tho. I have never ever seen the system issue a ban so slow the old logs are like 30gaames old which is a lot on a lvl 20acc and the system did not ban for these riot says it's because the system was slow in issuing a ban despite being reported after these games. now you can believe riot that the k word had nothing to do with the ban but in my experience the bot that bans ppl are normally very fast to ban players and less then 10secs after the game i wrote the k word i was instantly banned. too me this just tells me that the system did not warrant a ban prior to the k word as the delays riot talk about to this extend i have never seen and the quickness of the system to ban me after the game with the k word further proves that. So if i never wrote the K word probably wouldn't have been banned but since i had older logs that had a few toxic games they decided the ban is justified regardless of the system triggering from the k word is how i read what they say with the knowledge of my experience into the system. ppl can disagree with me and agree with riot or the opposite this is probably the end of the case and ppl can take what they said and make a conclusion them self. tldr: at the time of the ban i thought it was purely a ban for the k word by the system as it happened 5sec after that game.but none will know if that's true or not only riot do but with how this whole situation payed out i still think k word triggered the ban like the first support guy said , but the ban is justified due to older logs that the system didn't act on initially to be toxic enough in riots eyes. (remember to click white square for pic)
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Spearki (EUW)
: Oki her er problemet folk rapportere ikke andre altid bare fordi de gør noget i spillet som er mod reglerne folk bliver oftest syr og tilted fordi de taber gamet og skal have en at skyle skuden på så de rapportere dig bare fordi du spilled en "troll" karakter fordi de ikke ka lide lb support og det sker ret oftest ikke fordi jeg brud nogen regler de skal bare af med ders aggressioner og gør det ved at rapportere folk efter gamet. oh ja min grammatik er lort og jeg ord blind og har besvære med at læse og skrive men jeg ved ikke helt hvorfor du angriber mig på grund af det bare fordi mit dansk ikke er helt i top? Jeg vil godt vide hvor i min samtale med zilean som var dansker at jeg blæste på min modspiller? zilean dived os under tårnet og dræbte os så jeg skriv det stor pik det der vilken er en positive kommentar hvor han så svared tak tak. hans navn var splatkage hvilket sku for klare de første 3min af spillets samtale : https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4166912873/2268077759483968?tab=overview når jeg skriv nu kommer tryhardsne sku var det da han døde til akali top som flamed i all chat og team chat vilket var bare en sjov jk som vi bække ku grine af det har ikke noget med at blæse på folk overhovedet. Jeg kan ikke helt forstår hvad du mener med jeg ikke viste nogen hensyn mig og zil hygge os big i bot lane mod hinanden slap dog af altså var til han dived os igen og skrive vi sidder bare og hygger det som at sige det godt spilled det der på en anden måde der ikke noget flame i det? ps: jeg ret sikker på min sætning er ret normal i dansk måske det ikke 100% grammatisk og det kan godt være jeg dumpet dansk i folkeskolen begrund a ordblindhed og læse besvær men alle almindelig dansker vil godt kunne forstå min sætning Du har stadig ikke givet mig et eneste exemple på hvor jeg var ond mod den anden support i min tekst eller ikke viste respekt til ham men vi kan godt hoppe på discord og snakke hvis du vil siden jeg taler dansk 100 gang beder end jeg skriver spearki#7388 du ka bare sende mig en venneanmodning så kan vi snakke hvis du vil
Lad os lige tage det fra én ende af. Jeg påpegede dit sprogbrug, fordi det ikke kun var ord du skrev forkert, men også tegnsætning, grammatik samt generelt sprogbrug. Den måde du kommunikerede i spillet efterlod en del spørgsmål, da måden hvorpå du kommunikerede ikke ville reflektere normal sprogbrug. Nu hvor jeg ved det omkring dig, vil prøve at forsimple mit budskab. *** Ved at skrive: > %%% %%% til dig smukke Fremhæver du en del der vil blive opfattet utrolig negativt af de 8 andre spillere. Hvis du bare havde skrevet "%%% til dig smukke" i stedet, ville der ikke være lagt den samme vægt på ordet. Dilemmaet er at dit atypiske sprogbrug vil blive opfattet som sarkasme i netop denne sammenhæng. Eftersom ordet er et nultolerance ord, er Riot Games utrolig klar i deres budskab. Jeg kan ikke fordrage Discord så jeg bruger det mindre end en håndfuld gange om året.
Spearki (EUW)
: Min modstander flame mig ikke på nogen måde du kan faktisk add zilean hvis du vil taale meed ham og see hvordana han tog det da jeg skrive de til ham.. jeg mit eget team flamed mig fordi jeg spilled leblanc på en lvl 20 acc i normal botlane som support, jeg lad være med at svar dem efter jeg dummede at der ikke vil komme noget ude af at diskutere med min teammates og i stedt bare hadet en hyggelig samme tale med support på det andet team. stor pik ,slap af,vi hygger, næsten er alle positive sætning der handle om de plays zilean og mig lade i laning mod hinanden i bot lanet. Du sku måske ikke beskylde mig for at bruge et ord når du ikke kender hva der skete i gamet og prøve at sige jeg bruger det på en ond måde når der ikke var en eneste person der tog det på den måde i mit game. zil skriv også til dem i all chat at vi snakket dansk til hinanden men jeg bliv reported fordi min akali top var syr over vi tabte gamet fordi jeg spilled lb support og reported mig på grund af det ikke fordi jeg var toxic eller noget. > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=t54ElH5X,comment-id=001600020000,timestamp=2019-08-27T08:09:26.741+0000) > > Ignorance? > > Ved du overhoved hvad han siger, i hvilken kontekst han siger det, og hvordan hans handlinger ser ud til at påvirke hans modstander? > Han erkender blankt at hans modstander er i gang med at fornærme ham, og ikke langt tid efter, vælger at han bruge en frase som tydeligvis kan misforstås, og måden han fremlægger den på også er en tydelig indikation på hans intention. > > As you can see, I actually know what he's saying and understand the nuances of how he's saying it. Så det her er ikke korrekt på nogen måde spillerne på modstander holdet chatte overhovedet ikke i all chat ude over zil det var kun mit eget team der brugt all chat men mest bare flamed mig i min team chat. jeg svar englsk til folk der ikke a dansker ligesom alle andre vil gøre i den virkelig verden og snakker dansk med andre dansker det meget normalt at gøre det sådan Jeg tror du misforstod en eller anden kommentar
Det er rimelig gebrokken Dansk, det ser virkelig ud som om du har kørt den igennem en Google Translate. Hvis jeg forstår dig ret tror du, at den person som rapporterede dig var din egen top laner, og ikke modstanderne. I realiteten er det ligegyldigt hvem der rapporterede dig for det. Der er en rimelig chance for at vedkommende der gjorde det, inkluderede en beskrivelse. Sagens kerne er at nogen opfattede dine handlinger og sprogbrug negativt nok til at rapportere dig for det. For at jeg skulle kunne være i stand til at evaluere hele situationen med sikkerhed skal jeg have adgang til systemet, hvilket ville kræve at jeg var ansat hos dem. Hvad hele denne affære handler om, er hvordan du kommunikerer og hvordan det bliver opfattet. Ved at nærlæse hvad 'du' skrev i kampen, ser det ud som om du har blæst på dine medspilleres meninger og derfor ikke taget det mindste smule hensyn. Du er tydeligvis i stand til at forstå engelsk, derfor burde det også være oplagt for dig at forstå hvordan den sætning kunne opfattes af de andre spillere, uanset hvad dine intentioner måtte have været. Godt nok var det en underlig sætning du brugte, som har skabt alt denne ravage men der er på ingen måde noget man ville sige i almindelig tale, eller fremhæve på den måde som der blev gjort.
MusicaroN (EUW)
: You did, and the lack of logic is too big and I gave you a chance to rephrase it. Expected a bit too much it seems.
Request declined. This is my reasoning, read these comments before asking me to repeat myself. [1](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/t54ElH5X-unjustified-baan-riot-wont-remove-it?comment=001600010000), [2](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/t54ElH5X-unjustified-baan-riot-wont-remove-it?comment=001600020000), [3](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/t54ElH5X-unjustified-baan-riot-wont-remove-it?comment=00160001000000000000)
MusicaroN (EUW)
: > Yes. he did deserve a punishment For what reason ? talking in his native language ? Is this forbidden ? Or even better, can you quote the exact line in Riot's TOS that make the ban justified ?
I've already explained myself, so I'll decline to comment on the grounds that I do not like repeating myself.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=t54ElH5X,comment-id=001600010000,timestamp=2019-08-27T08:05:04.010+0000) > > Hvis jeg nu skriver på Dansk, vil du så være I stand til at forstå dynamikken i hvad jeg skriver? > > Det er rigtigt at ham I support tager fejl og %%% rent teknisk betyder at %%%se på Dansk, men eftersom jeg allerede har pointeret det, synes jeg det er lidt overflødigt at komme ind på den del igen. > I tilfælde af at det betyder noget for dig vil jeg da gerne erkende at Riot lader til at have håndteret situationen på et niveau der er under al kritik, men når det så er sagt synes jeg bestemt ikke at vedkommende er uskyldig. > > Folk glemmer rimelig ofte at jeg laver dette her på frivillig basis, så jeg kan ikke tale for firmaet bag medmindre de har gjort det udtrykkelig klart, hvilket oftest er i relation til tekniske problemer, dog kan det aldrig komme på tale i forhold til konto relaterede problemer som dette omhandler. > > > Fra mit synspunkt ser det ud som om han gemmer sig bag sproget for at kunne fornærme modstanderen på et lidt kringlet måde, jeg lagde for eksempel mærke til en anden kommentar fra ham der er gået ubemærket hen. no i do not understand danish, but it took me few secs to run it with google translate probably not the best solution, but solution anyway. and what do you mean he hides behind his language, if he writes in danish, it means what it means in danish, if someone writes in italian it means what it means in italian, period and not like , this in italian means this in that language, but in taht language this sounds like very bad thing in english, so sorry but you will get punish ..... so, riot is telling us that context of what we write do not matter( for that system that gives punishments), but in the same time , you and riot are saying that in the context he is actually guilty. stop trying to justify people's punishments. i would totally get it if it was like 1 line in danish taht contain the word kiss in danish, but it is not.
There's a simple way for me to explain my reasoning, for believing he deserves a punishment. > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=t54ElH5X,comment-id=001600020000,timestamp=2019-08-27T08:09:26.741+0000) > > Ved du overhoved hvad han siger, i hvilken kontekst han siger det, og hvordan hans handlinger ser ud til at påvirke hans modstander? > Han erkender blankt at hans modstander er i gang med at fornærme ham, og ikke langt tid efter, vælger at han bruge en frase som tydeligvis kan misforstås, og måden han fremlægger den på også er en tydelig indikation på hans intention. It's pretty clear to me that he's using Danish to hide behind. Sure you can use google translate at this very moment, but that's not a luxury you can afford, while in-game. How often have you come across players using their own language to flame you with? The vast majority I come across are from Poland using the word 'Kurwa', sure this is a roundabout way of doing it and even using sarcasm, but that does not change the intention.
: Unpopular opion: trolls should not get punished
Greetings Electronic jihad, I've reviewed your case, and you're correct that the deletion message seem partially inaccurate. > Attempting to provoke conflict or incite, bait, or mock others Although you did insult a significant potion of the player base, it would be more accurate to say that it was the way you did it, which got you into trouble. Technically the reasoning could be related to flaming or trolling, and in this case it seems the moderator went with the trolling template. Since this topic is mainly intended as an inquiry for your punishment, I ask that you refrain from posting more or less the same type of content which was removed. If you have concerns regarding a role, please add some reasoning rather than throwing around accusations and insults.
: What ignorance? He was having conversation in Danish simple as that.
Ignorance? Ved du overhoved hvad han siger, i hvilken kontekst han siger det, og hvordan hans handlinger ser ud til at påvirke hans modstander? Han erkender blankt at hans modstander er i gang med at fornærme ham, og ikke langt tid efter, vælger at han bruge en frase som tydeligvis kan misforstås, og måden han fremlægger den på også er en tydelig indikation på hans intention. As you can see, I actually know what he's saying and understand the nuances of how he's saying it.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=t54ElH5X,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2019-08-27T05:45:48.750+0000) > > While I would need the whole and inclusive chatlog to be certain, it looks very much like the OP' situational awareness is in the same ballpark as this guys ability to differentiate notes. > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=8MiJTxlEdtQ > > "%%%" does translate kiss in Danish, so the sentence all this fuss is about, translates to: > > Given the context, and that he's obviously able to read and understand English it is not like he can feign ignorance. what investigation do you need, he writes in English in team chat and danish with the enemy.... it is not like only 1 sentence in danish, that has the 3 word. stop pretending your system is amazing and never wrong, it is a BS system and this case just prove it. just admit riot is wrong and remove this guys punishment, why is it that hard to do that. like it is not rocket science or something. this case shouldn't be unsolved for such a long time
Hvis jeg nu skriver på Dansk, vil du så være I stand til at forstå dynamikken i hvad jeg skriver? Det er rigtigt at ham I support tager fejl og %%% rent teknisk betyder at %%%se på Dansk, men eftersom jeg allerede har pointeret det, synes jeg det er lidt overflødigt at komme ind på den del igen. I tilfælde af at det betyder noget for dig vil jeg da gerne erkende at Riot lader til at have håndteret situationen på et niveau der er under al kritik, men når det så er sagt synes jeg bestemt ikke at vedkommende er uskyldig. Folk glemmer rimelig ofte at jeg laver dette her på frivillig basis, så jeg kan ikke tale for firmaet bag, medmindre de har gjort det udtrykkelig klart. Hvilket oftest er i relation til tekniske problemer, dog kan det aldrig komme på tale i forhold til konto relaterede problemer som dette omhandler. Fra mit synspunkt ser det ud som om han gemmer sig bag sproget for at kunne fornærme modstanderen på et lidt kringlet måde, jeg lagde for eksempel mærke til en anden problematisk kommentar, der er gået ubemærket hen.
MusicaroN (EUW)
: Your reply confuses me, do you agree it was banned for nothing or not ?
Based on the context: **Yes.** he did deserve a punishment. How it was handled: **No.** Reasoning used to punish him: **No.** Ban length: I have no clue what the punishment was or the history behind the account, so that's **not for me to comment on.**
Spearki (EUW)
: UNjustified baan riot won't remove it!!!!!!
While I would need the whole and inclusive chatlog to be certain, it looks very much like the OP' situational awareness is in the same ballpark as this guys ability to differentiate notes. https://youtube.com/watch?v=8MiJTxlEdtQ "%%%" does translate kiss in Danish, so the sentence all this fuss is about, translates to: > Kiss, kisses for you beautiful Given the context, and that he's obviously able to read and understand English it is not like he can feign ignorance.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Send a ticket to riot support They can help you more
Pretty much this. Account specific issues should be handled through support since we don't have the tools to review them here on the boards, and even if we did, there are some account sensitive details we wouldn't be able to discuss on this platform.
Archmagé (EUW)
: *Man parks in a no parking zone* Gets 10 years in prison *Man kills a dude* Gets no sentance -seem like some decent logic to me I really dont care about the chat restriction, I deserved it and it doesnt really affect me at all. Im not annoyed about MY punishment, im annoyed about the LACK OF PUNISHMENT on someone who did something worse than me.
Greetings Archmagé, Sadly, this is an issue we can't assist you with on the Boards. We suggest you [submit a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) to Player Support. They'll be able to further assist you with this issue.
: > As volunteers we don't get paid to do this, we were chosen for different reasons with the ultimate purpose of being advocates for the community. as in all forum's game > we can lose interest in a certain subject if u are a volunteers u are free to go if u lose interest in doing it, same if u have no more time to do it > new volunteers join, some volunteers leave they have no more time? why they refuse help? as i said many players proposed to help for free > If they would like a chance to moderate, their current and only option is to be a positive force for the community, get noticed by the volunteers, join them, and go through a rigorous process. if the volunteers are not active and they just random.org ban coz of "no time" or "no interest" how they can chose someone? > I can say without a shred of doubt, that the reason sebz... were banned is not because of a single instance, but rather the combined history of his actions, I did remember to reference some unsavory comments in my previous reply. u didn't even check sbepuz97 story before type, that quote me why the situonation will not be solved and i'm just losing time i never got 1 report before the "emperor nerone" situation ^^ but gl > We're not infallible, we do however have each other and hopefully the community to lean on. that's why all players want back the tribunal, so u can't act as a dictator where noone can do something when u chose the wrong decision. right now is a dictatural status for riot game (speacking for moderator and support site) > Try as we might, it's not realistic for us to review every single comment of every single thread being posted every day, instead we rely on the community to report the content that shouldn't be present. reported for 8 days in a row. the "negative words" were int he title, not even need to open the post...amazing xd > We all have lives, some of us have kids, hobbies hobbies change and life pass, if u give up on league why just don't pass ur role? (last comment of floppyz is 1 MONTH ago, not 1 week ago) but as i said i stop here the discussion. coz i'm just losing time
I need to sort your comment into categories first. *** #Tribunal If you wish to discuss this topic there are a myriad of threads to go to. I would recommend [this](https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/jh88PNU9-riot-games) one in particular. If you persist to discuss it here, we will ultimately be forced to remove your comments for going off topic. [Universal Rules](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/3eWpXbJi) While you're entitled to your opinion, if you're unable to have a discussion without resorting to generalization and lacking rational arguments, there isn't any point in me spending my time responding to you. *** #Your suggestions [Pellah](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/player/EUW/Pellah) * 3.6k votes on the profile * Earliest post was july 2016 [mangialavandini](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/player/EUW/mangialavandini) * 4k votes on the profile * Earliest post was July 2016 Both of those have sporadic recent posting history, 2½-3 weeks ago since they posted, I am not allowed to discuss any actions taken against them, but I can look into them. I can't find "viceroys" or "halleluia". *** #Concern If you have evidence of a volunteer being abusive on the boards please direct me to those comments.
: > As volunteers we don't get paid to do this, we were chosen for different reasons with the ultimate purpose of being advocates for the community. as in all forum's game > we can lose interest in a certain subject if u are a volunteers u are free to go if u lose interest in doing it, same if u have no more time to do it > new volunteers join, some volunteers leave they have no more time? why they refuse help? as i said many players proposed to help for free > If they would like a chance to moderate, their current and only option is to be a positive force for the community, get noticed by the volunteers, join them, and go through a rigorous process. if the volunteers are not active and they just random.org ban coz of "no time" or "no interest" how they can chose someone? > I can say without a shred of doubt, that the reason sebz... were banned is not because of a single instance, but rather the combined history of his actions, I did remember to reference some unsavory comments in my previous reply. u didn't even check sbepuz97 story before type, that quote me why the situonation will not be solved and i'm just losing time i never got 1 report before the "emperor nerone" situation ^^ but gl > We're not infallible, we do however have each other and hopefully the community to lean on. that's why all players want back the tribunal, so u can't act as a dictator where noone can do something when u chose the wrong decision. right now is a dictatural status for riot game (speacking for moderator and support site) > Try as we might, it's not realistic for us to review every single comment of every single thread being posted every day, instead we rely on the community to report the content that shouldn't be present. reported for 8 days in a row. the "negative words" were int he title, not even need to open the post...amazing xd > We all have lives, some of us have kids, hobbies hobbies change and life pass, if u give up on league why just don't pass ur role? (last comment of floppyz is 1 MONTH ago, not 1 week ago) but as i said i stop here the discussion. coz i'm just losing time
I feel like a lot of what I've said has either been ignored, misinterpreted or misrepresented, so let me be absolutely clear. I've already reviewed the case regarding sbe...somethingsomething _***~~EXTENSIVELY~~***_! As for motivation, there's a simple yet elegant answer to that. > ### *Because we care* The tribunal had a lot of drawbacks, the two biggest concerns were accuracy and speed left much to be desired, but let's not get off topic. I'm sure a lot of players would like to become Volunteers, but desire alone does not make them qualified for a position within our organization. While I can't speak for the specific process it would take to join the program in Italy, in my own personal experience, I was merely helping out on the Boards, when one day I received an email asking me to join the program. All you really need to do, is being a consistently positive and helpful member of the community and sooner or later you will get noticed. If you see someone who fit those criteria, I can only suggest that you poke a volunteer about it, and they'll do their due diligence behind the scenes.
: still copy pasta 1. there are many old users that proposed to help the moderators because of their inconsistency, they refused the help, why? 2. moderators should be active to help in particular in the section they created named: "aiuto e supporto", because after u ban everyone noone will be able to help the players with bugs, and if they don't explain them to go on the support site, and we are banned, who is going to do it? 3. as u can notice (or even if u ask) all this situation started with "emperor nerone", an italian player that upvoted his own post, he got flamed from his attitude, after like 20 posts moderators come and ban like 20 memebers....just because they didn't read nothing, they just banned random.org (that's why i got sbanned, because i was inside the random.org) 4. to fix a forum first of all u have to organise a forum, if u create some section u NEED to be present in that section. as i said "aiuto e supporto" translated "help and support" should be checked all day by moderators...they never help someone in that section for example. why create that section if u don't wanna help players? this one is waiting for help for more than 1 week https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/c/aiuto-e-supporto-it/0wOAtmrT-non-ho-pia-le-mie-impostazioni-e-non-posso-rimetterle-aiuto https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/c/aiuto-e-supporto-it/AbspBE1G-system-error let's see who is going to help him. he asked for help...i gonna w8 him to be helped 5. u can't let a post that is very offensive for more than 1 week and then ban who underline that u are not doing ur job just because he is searching help in others boards to fix the problem u wanna know the reason why i got banned 1 month (and then perma banned?) because i typed the titlte of teh offensive post...is that a joke? 6. help members instead of just ban someone when u come back
I think there's some misunderstanding about optimal vs realistic, so let me clarify those details. As volunteers we don't get paid to do this, we were chosen for different reasons with the ultimate purpose of being advocates for the community. Try as we might, it's not realistic for us to review every single comment of every single thread being posted every day, instead we rely on the community to report the content that shouldn't be present. If for some reason content stay up for an extended period of time, it's usually 1 of 3 reasons: * It wasn't reported * It was reviewed and dismissed * It's on the 'to do list' and will be taken care of at the earliest possible chance We all have lives, some of us have kids, [hobbies](https://imgur.com/a/E6Sws), we can lose interest in a certain subject, new volunteers join, some volunteers leave, some projects are overwhelming and so on. It's important to let the Volunteers have a say in what their interest is, otherwise they will burn out incredibly fast. For instance, a few months ago Riot held a fan fiction contest on the Boards and the participation was overwhelming. A lot of stuff ended up happening behind the scenes, but when the contest was finally over and done with, I could tell that at least 40%-55% of the volunteers who had participated in pushing it over the line showed severe signs of being burned out, with another 20-25% showing light to moderate signs. Some Volunteers ended up reading more than 100 entries each with 1.000 word count, over a 1-2 week period. Despite all of that, I'm incredibly proud that so many of us stepped up when we were needed. When it comes to us posting in 'specific sub Boards' I can easily reveal that for the most part Volunteers read a whole lot more than we let on. Posting on the other hand, isn't always beneficial. Moderation rights is a touchy subject, and there's no chance to allow regular users access to those tools, even within the Volu program those with access is limited by certain factors. If those users which you refer to, would like a chance to moderate, their current and only option is to be a positive force for the community, get noticed by the volunteers, join them, and go through a rigorous process. I can say without a shred of doubt, that the reason sebz... were banned is not because of a single instance, but rather the combined history of his actions, I did remember to reference some unsavory comments in my previous reply. We're not infallible, we do however have each other and hopefully the community to lean on.
: as i said i ctrl+c what he type to me "i'm no more interested :3, when u gonna close italian forum remember that u could save it by fixing the problem. u prefer defend moderators that destroyed the italian forum by perma banning so many users randomly without even ask "why they did that?", they also removed a perma ban on me because "oh w8, as no sense we perma banned u"....and u wanna defend someone like that? gl with ur moderators. if u prefer a dead forum to a decent one, kepp like that{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} " p.s. sbepuz will no more type coz is a waste of time ^^, and as no sense join disc because will be exactly as when he joined floppyz and beppedessi, so they are like ehm ok uy are right but we have power so shut up xd and remove my perma ban it is possible to remove a perma ban? no. ask them about sbepuz97, then u will understand the situation of italian forum and as he said. bye, u are not interested in hep italian board (keep an eye if someone will get some answer after create a post, all memebers got banned, so or moderators help them or noone will be able to answer. moderators are afk, so xd)
Thanks for being the go between on this. As I explained I've reviewed this particular case extensively, and the only issue with moderation is the inconsistency and leniency, which is a direct result of the Italian guidelines. If we were to discuss the general health of the Italian Boards, I'd currently say it's in a bad place because of the inconsistency and leniency, allowing minor issues to fester and grow disproportionately large, rather than being dealt with up front. Although you can make an argument that a certain degree of toxicity on any social platform helps increase the activity, at the same time it also alienates those exact users that would be interested in joining and create the positive content. Another part of the equation is that by allowing this type of content, you'll undoubtedly end up attracting users with a negative and quite often hostile outlook, which in term undermines the current foundation that is required to keep it healthy and fair. This exact case this thread portrait, is a symptom of these problems. We have talked at length internally about what we can do to be more inclusive towards the Italian Boards, and one thing we keep bringing up is contests. Unfortunately the Italian laws and Government is blocking us on that front, as we're not allowed to grant any sort of reward to players living in Italy. If you have any suggestions on what can be done to improve the Italian Boards you're welcome to make your opinion heard.
: if u want to speack about that add: sbepuz97 (euw account) he got perma banned with both the accounts just for ctrl+c the tilte of the blasfemic post that the moderators didn't even noticed(so they banned him just because he made them notice that they weren't even checking the for 1 week) before was 1 month on sbepuz, then changed in perma ban as for sbepuz97 he said that he will no more partecipate in forums till when this moderators will keep their position as others old memebers. there isn't a sense that all the time they start to ban players randomly but they never partecipate in the forum discussion, and i repeat NEVER, the blasfemic post stayed 1 week in the forum for example (and sbepuz is pretty sure that u removed it after read this post, not the italian moderators) gl hf from italian players
While I'm flattered he believes I removed the content, I'll exercise my right and decline to comment on it. As for communication, I am on the EUNE server, so for obvious reasons I cannot add him in the client. Even if I could, we dislike using that platform to communicate with, I know we have a discord server where he/she can reach out to us (although I personally dislike using Discord). There should be a link in [this](https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/RvRMwQ8E-presenting-the-eu-boards-discord) thread. While doing research into this last night, I had the privilege of reading through some unsavory and abusive comments from sbepuz97, some of which seems to have been removed since. While I can't speak to his motivation or intention behind the comments, the execution left much to be desired. This is a snippet of the moderation templates used on the EN Boards which fit this situation to an uncanny degree. > Here on the boards, we value both positive, and negative, feedback. Negative feedback is important as it helps us understand other opinions from the community. However, we still ask you to keep the feedback constructive and within the boards Universal Rules if you wish to have it remain visible.
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