Shamose (EUW)
: I wouldn't say belittling. I'd say harassing. Saying someone did something toxic in your game this year... no last year.... no 2 years ago isn't really civil.
they themselves admitted they got ban before
: the mmr system is made to keep u stuck in low elo
that's a really strange system if it's true but you shouldn't end up in iron to start with unless you hard troll because the system defaults you to silver mmr and b3-1 first rank
: Jeez you're making nocturnes ult sound like it's overpowered.
is it not? 6 seconds of no vision in teamfights is no joke and flash is useless to it so immobile champs get caught regardless even it's not "op" it's extremely annoying to deal with
: An idea connected with Nocturne's ult
let's not make that stupid ult more powerful should we
Rioter Comments
: ? what post?
: Actually a couple of days ago I was in this exact situation. During champ select someone hovered over Katarina and a teammate banned her for no reason. The player who wanted to pick Katarina then said they would troll and locked in Soraka with random summoner spells. Throughout the match they inted multiple lanes and then refused to surrender because they wanted the other person to suffer as much as possible. So then the player who had banned Katarina started trolling and both players refused to surrender. Even after 20 minutes we couldn't surrender because those 2 players kept denying the vote. On top of this the enemy team dragged out the match as long as possible. I ended up reporting everyone on both sides at the end of the match. So no, I don't get a "justice boner" from this kind of thing, it just pisses me off and puts me in a bad mood for the rest of the day.
I had people say to me I *DESERVE* getting trolled because I am toxic before
: >eventually sick of his shit **I threatened to afk** if he came to my lane again which he did and I indeed went afk cause a flamer can be ignored but not someone actively trolling your lane Yes. Threatening to AFK is toxic. People seem to forget there's more than just you and the person you're arguing with in the game. There's 8 other people to consider, which you've also just pushed the fast forward button on ruining the game for - no one likes playing an AFK game, whether its yours on the enemy team. It's also worth mentioning if you say to someone who's deliberately trying to push your buttons not to do something... I mean... it's pretty obvious they're going to do it. --------------------------------------------------- I'm not saying the Lee Sin was right, neither of you were in this situation. It's best to just keep playing and trying your hardest. Other lanes can pick up the slack and do their best to carry from there if he was focusing around your lanes, and just play for the long run. And of course, report.
none likes getting trolled or flamed for 20-30 minutes straight too
: yes, you were toxic
are not you the guy from the orianna post? dedicated hater?
: > [{quoted}](name=DoranShieldOp,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=hMcmzJlg,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-04T11:52:31.070+0000) > what I really wanted to say "was that toxic enough to warrant people trolling" Now that is an entirely different question. My answer: There is nothing that justifies trolling, just as there is nothing that justifies insults/flaming/etc..
idk about you but if i were flamed by 3+ people especially teammates it won't be in my best interest to win anymore but just being flamed by one person is your own problem if you can't handle it
: What makes you think I enjoy playing with people who feel the need to "teach other people a lesson"?
because many people hate flamers and will get a justice boner from any bad happening that occurs to them
Baka Red (EUNE)
: Your question was: Was I toxic in this situation? a) you threatened to afk -> toxic b) you afked -> toxic So the answer to your question is simple: Yes, you were toxic. Free advice: Don't be toxic, or you risk being punished. Instead of being toxic, mute the annoyance, don't talk to/with/about him and report him in post-game-lobby. After that forget the guy.
can't quit people can't quit being stupid I don't have a post game lobby when I afk too lazy to send a ticket oh also did you know that they made their contacting support thingie worse now you have to reconfirm that you want a human and not a bot no matter what the issue was
: > [{quoted}](name=DoranShieldOp,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=hMcmzJlg,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-04-04T11:00:41.099+0000) > > post title "was I toxic" > smart guy comment "you are trying to be a victim so hard bro" No idea who that "smart guy" was, because I certainly didn't say what you wrote in your quotation marks. I was more referring to your last paragraph, where you asked why people behave the way they do, making it sound like you didn't do anything wrong. I'm going to quote myself here: _"This was extremely poor behaviour on both sides."_ But since you asked for a clear answer to _"was I toxic in this situation?"_ ... Yes, you were. Calling names is completely unnecessary and toxic.
I know I wrote that when I was still angry about it don't actually need you to call me toxic so I'd acknowledge it what I really wanted to say "was that toxic enough to warrant people trolling" to me the obvious answer was "no" that reaction was shocking and junvanile and won't expect it to happen every game but some people disagree so good for them
: I see you are trying to play the victim, although you obviously triggered that whole situation. This was extremely poor behaviour on both sides. But in the future you maybe think twice before insulting another player over a misplay.
post title "was I toxic" smart guy comment "you are trying to be a victim so hard bro"
: I see you are trying to play the victim, although you obviously triggered that whole situation. This was extremely poor behaviour on both sides. But in the future you maybe think twice before insulting another player over a misplay.
misplay hahaha right %%%%ing other people lanes is a "misplay" maybe you'd think twice before ganking when none asked you especially so early in the game and think thrice before you decide to troll
: Ok, I'd like to consider something for a moment. Let's imagine that after Lee's first death you said absolutely nothing in the chat, and didn't ping the guy in any way. Do you think he would have flamed you, trolled you and the afk'ed the match? Regardless of what you think about his conduct, you can't deny that it happened as a direct result of what you said.
dude I am aware of that I am already more careful with my words after that game (begrudingly so) but the existence of trolls still make me widely uncomfortable maybe you enjoy that they still exist to teach flamers "lessons" but I do not a troll is a troll in the end fk all trolls
Zanador (EUNE)
: >this lee sin came to gank me at level 1 for some reason and he ended up fighting enemy laner under his tower because he wasn't overextending obviously he died and gave him red buff making my shitty early game even more miserable I only typed one word in chat "idiot" and that was enough to convince lee sin to insult my mother, rage quit and then come back to troll my lane once again at low level he never left my lane and kept giving him kills Correct me if i'm wrong, but you called him an idiot after the first death, right? Either way, since Lee had red buff, he had to be lvl2 not lvl1 too, so depending on the details, he might have hoped to jump out of tower range onto you, but i would need the replay to confirm that. A lvl2 Lee gank is not uncommon. From the outside perspective it seems that you snap just as quickly as that Lee did, it's just your reaction is not that extreme. Tho you did eventually go AFK too, even when you had a strong carry + support combo in your team trying their best to win in 3v5. You might not have flamed like Lee did, but you do not appear to be a better teammate than he is so far.
ok he was level two what differnece would that make? me and yasuo both were level 1 I only had q which is not much to set up a gank upon especially when the yasuo was not out of position that gank feeled off in so many ways and even when I showed no interest in "helping" him he still fought him under his tower again I didn't give up because our team was bad or because I had a shitty early, I just had a shitty early game with irelia then got carried and carried myself same situation right? wrong there were no trolls and my team was patient with me so I still had motivation to play also I"flamed" him after he started trolling I told him to %%%% off my lane when he decided to never leave it and threated to afk then did when he still didn't leave and he afked right after me so he was obviously trolling all he seemed to be triggered with tho is the word "idiot" I didn't engage in his petty mom's insults talk because that was stupid
Zanador (EUNE)
: You were not trolled. Your teammate died once. That's all that happened. As a bonus, it seems like that Lee stopped playing too, so he might have been punished by the system. What else do you want?
he was punished more like he %%%%ed off after he couldn't troll me anymore so he lost interest in the game for now
Zanador (EUNE)
: You were not trolled. Your teammate died once. That's all that happened. As a bonus, it seems like that Lee stopped playing too, so he might have been punished by the system. What else do you want?
0/3/0 and he died once? lol you have no idea what happened then first death he dies at level 1 dive second death he "fakes" a gank at level 5 and yasuo level 10 ffs baiting me into fighting a fed yasuo then bails TWICE and idk how he died the third time cause i was already afk I don't care if he was punished or not I didn't report him neither I could but I'll keep running into people like this and it bothers me
Xaytah (EUW)
: Then leave and enjoy smth else.
I leave the game because one kid trolled me yeah no thanks I am a little pissed that happened but that's it
: How have I insulted you? You asked why the Lee Sin would flip out from just a single word, and I am providing a possible reason, along with a suggestion on how to avoid it happening again in the future. Oh and on a side note, calling all Lee Sin players %%%%%%ed is not going to get you anywhere so I would suggest you rid yourself of that misconception before it lands you in even more trouble. Just some friendly advice from a fellow player :)
I am not an idiot for choosing to play safe and wait for my powerspikes and not literally diving at level 1 to give them a free kill
Zanador (EUNE)
: I've been playing basically since Europe has a server and the situation has always been like that. So it's not about "anymore". People commonly try to make it look like a recent deterioration of the playerbase to fit their narrative of how the game is not fun anymore, but random teammates have been like this since before 99% of the current players have started playing at all. Their teammates didn't change, they did.
and what's the solution to shut up and accept being trolled?
: When players get tilted sometimes it only takes a single word from someone else at the wrong moment to make them snap.
yeah 5 minutes into the game and you are already titled
: I would like to say first that I haven't watched the replay yet so don't know what happened exactly, but usually this kind of thing comes down to miscommunication. The lee Sin might have thought you were going to tower dive with him and thought you were an idiot for not following him. Then when you called him an idiot he took it a lot more personally because in his opinion it was your fault he died. Now of course I am just speculating here, but that is the thought process some players go through. Either way, calling someone an idiot in the chat is never a good idea. You make mistakes right? Make bad decisions or misclick your character? Are you an idiot or mentally %%%%%%ed just because of one mistake you make in a match? If the answer is "no" then surely the same thing applies to your teammates. If you want to be forgiven for your mistakes, then I suggest you start forgiving others for theirs.
also seems like you want to insult me under the veil of "speculating" what lee sin thought but okay
: I would like to say first that I haven't watched the replay yet so don't know what happened exactly, but usually this kind of thing comes down to miscommunication. The lee Sin might have thought you were going to tower dive with him and thought you were an idiot for not following him. Then when you called him an idiot he took it a lot more personally because in his opinion it was your fault he died. Now of course I am just speculating here, but that is the thought process some players go through. Either way, calling someone an idiot in the chat is never a good idea. You make mistakes right? Make bad decisions or misclick your character? Are you an idiot or mentally %%%%%%ed just because of one mistake you make in a match? If the answer is "no" then surely the same thing applies to your teammates. If you want to be forgiven for your mistakes, then I suggest you start forgiving others for theirs.
tower dive at level 1?? who fkin does that oh wow he fed my laner and gave him a buff sure he has the right to be angry at me for that lol also I called him %%%%%% because he trolls not because "he made a mistake" lee sins troll half the time you call them out on stupid plays for some reason it's not the first time it happened to me
Zanador (EUNE)
: While usually calling someone idiot once would be just fine every once in a while the threat to go afk and actually going afk are both more serious. In any case the lesson you should learn is already there for you in plain sight: this is how much your game experience and chance to win normally "improves" if you insult someone.
this game is not fun anymore if I have to play around childish people who are ticking bombs for being trolls in all honesty
Zanador (EUNE)
: While usually calling someone idiot once would be just fine every once in a while the threat to go afk and actually going afk are both more serious. In any case the lesson you should learn is already there for you in plain sight: this is how much your game experience and chance to win normally "improves" if you insult someone.
he was going to troll either ways but hell what can I do usually I try to scale and carry but not with a feeder in my lane I can't deal with that shit
Rioter Comments
: >sounds more like you are underestimating your enemy by trying to analyze his gameplay without you thinking that could backfire Well, _did he underestimate you_? Because if he won, you can hardly blame him for doing something wrong gameplay wise.
honestly this only ever works when i play a champ i am not that good at to start with lol
Nascy (EUW)
: Could also be they suspect your jungler is nearby. Or that theirs is far away.
: How is playing passively (I guess you mean, patiently, reserved and not just basically afk) complacent? I find being overly aggressive all the time is way more complacent if anything.
they are passive but like not smart passive they ignore me in lane and farm even tho they are clearly in all my spells range if you get what i mean
: It's called respect. And after the first few lvl's you know exactly wheter your opponent can play his champion or not.
why would that be considered respect? sounds more like you are underestimating your enemy by trying to analyze his gameplay without you thinking that could backfire to me being respected is more like giving it your best since game start different perceptives i guess
Hansiman (EUW)
: But it worked, didn't it? Mind games can be effective.
i got so many first bloods because the other player refuses to give it his all from the beginning of the match then they come back and stomp me in lane so yeah..'works' thanks for first blood tho i guess?
: It caught you by surprise, he won the fight and killed you. Does that answer WHY he did it?
that kinda makes sense but is the risk of giving me a free kill by you initially playing in a complacent manner worth it
Kurotsu (EUW)
: They're not hiding it. They 1shot people when its time to 1shot them. Before that it might just be too risky depending on the enemy.
really they are not hiding it? they miss their skillshots and even let me farm freely but when they want to kill me they land all their skills and even dive me if needed so obvious they are doing it on purpose
Rioter Comments
: Dude it’s mundo... do you really think he needs more healing, his ult already heals 100% of his max health.. and besides gunblade is better if you want sustain you might as well get healing from more than just auto attacks Electricute can help win trades but so can pretty much every summoner... electricute is only good on champions who can really use it, champions like mundo your better off going grasp as it still wins trades but also synergies with his kit better. And conquerer is bad on all ranged champions besides Draven... it lasts a very short amount of time so while you can attack and chase them until they die for most of that you don’t even have a rune and of what it was present it wouldn’t have done much. Lethal tempo is everything your trying to do with conquerer but actually lasts long enough to be useful
yes I do need all the healing i need i am bad sometimes i ult and kill myself because of the initial health cost lol i didnt know that about lethal tempo i'll probably suck at using it anyways btw i tried magic pen mundo and i kind of sucked because i lacked the early game tankiness i am used to
: > lulu ad is fun and it was a normal game i dont know what's wrong with that Conquerer doesn’t work on her go lethal tempo, and gargoyles stoneplate is bad on anyone not going full tank. > you are taking that out of context i was vs a teemo (and nvm that mundo w scales with ap) i needed every movement speed possible as his shrooms and rylai's slow were getting between me and last hitting him every time and my "plan" suceeded Firstly still doesn’t explain the ravenous hydra... even going offensive just go titanic hydra it’s infinitly better on him. Secondly if you want movement speed on mundo there’s plenty of better options... and you should ignore the ap ratio on his W because it a 15% ap ratio... you build p for a champion who’s ratios add up to 15%... Thirdly boots of swiftness reduce slow efficiency... good enough. > rune pages that work dont need to be changed dont fix what's not broken But they don’t work on every champion... if your playing mundo you don’t want electrocute, if your playing Zoe ultimate hunter isn’t needed. You might have easier games if you talour your runes to fit your champion. > again i am also playing normals and i am still bronze so i am still experimenting and what am i supposed to do when i am playing a new champ? google mobafire builds and copy them? Firstly experimenting doesn’t count when your doing the same thing every game.... you’ve actually gotta try other things as well to see what works Secondly you’ve gotta think about it... let’s take ahri you’ve got one skill which deals more damage, is where a lot of her damage comes from, and is important to her succeeding, the other skill is cc with a damage amp. You want to be maxing the Q as it gives the highest damage, maxing E doesn’t do much and just gives you cc with no follow up. Generally you max your main damage source on every champion... it just works out better and gets you fed faster. > nah i prefer going with runes i am most comfortable with sometimes even "meta" runes dont mush well with me i used to suck very bad with electrocute no matter what champ i take if i took electrocute i'll probably feed even it was recommended non meta runes that i made myself helped me to do less terrible it's like learning to ride a bicycle and those runes are training wheels I get not going meta... but you’ve still gotta actually use the rune system a bit more... if you experiment with runes more and fit them to your champion pool you will have much more success and therefore funnier games. > if i come and complain here about something i deem unfair i don't think me having my own issues or you disapproving of my posts will stop me Oh yeah I know lots of people like you in this community... but the reason you lost this game had way more to do with your team than it does a silence... you wherent as fed as you could have been if you had more damage, your positioning was off, and your team had no idea what they where doing. It wasn’t unfair, you and your team just messed up. > define "playing well" Not walking into melee range of a fed garen, using your mobility to get a good pick on their back line, using your abilities as ahri to create a lead and translate it into a win. If you stop blaming other champions and look at what you are doing you’d find there’s a lot to improve, and once you do improve then your gonna have a lot more fun and a lot more success (I mean if anything getting to an mmr where team comps like this don’t happen is gonna make games much more fun). > i wont build mundo full tank playing tanks bores the hell out of me Firstly full tank mundo does a lot of damage, more than ap mundo... he ain’t a tank. Secondly if you don’t like that playstyle then don’t play them. Thirdly you realise magic pen mundo exists and is actually legit... just stack magic pen and have your cleavers take 1/4 of their health in one hit.... again having fun is fine, just remember if your gonna have fun with a build know how to make that build work/the most fun possible... getting ap on mundo isn’t useful and isn’t fun, magic pen is.
i think ravenous hydra is better for the life steal i prefer survival electrocute wins more trades because of the extra damage idk about lethal tempo lulu but with conqeurer i q someone and auto attack/chase them until they die so easily lol
: You can AA in the meantime {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: Silence is the weakest form of cc. Like ok I can silence a rengar that jumps on my adc, and the rengar dies instantly, but that's because the rengar didn't wait until my abilities were on cooldown, during a fight for example. Soraka isn't the only champ with a silence though and different champions use their silences for different things. If you think a certain champ's silence is unfair there will be reasons as to why it is fair. You can't be like "Oh I got silenced and now I can't flash a skillshot - oh I got chain cc'd, silences are busted" most skillshots you can dodge if you're good enough or if you know to expect them through experience. On top of that how did you get caught out by the enemy team? Did you not buy or place any control wards? Why are you walking about without vision? Also if you get silenced and focused and your team is too weak (or play the fight really badly) compared to the enemy team, your team deserves to lose the game as they've probably fed or lost their lanes.
i didnt really get caught... my dumbasss got close to an enemy garen in a fight and he switched target to me q silence and insta one shot me me is frustrated cause i couldn't use my spells to counter any of that....
: Silence is the weakest form of cc. Like ok I can silence a rengar that jumps on my adc, and the rengar dies instantly, but that's because the rengar didn't wait until my abilities were on cooldown, during a fight for example. Soraka isn't the only champ with a silence though and different champions use their silences for different things. If you think a certain champ's silence is unfair there will be reasons as to why it is fair. You can't be like "Oh I got silenced and now I can't flash a skillshot - oh I got chain cc'd, silences are busted" most skillshots you can dodge if you're good enough or if you know to expect them through experience. On top of that how did you get caught out by the enemy team? Did you not buy or place any control wards? Why are you walking about without vision? Also if you get silenced and focused and your team is too weak (or play the fight really badly) compared to the enemy team, your team deserves to lose the game as they've probably fed or lost their lanes.
soraka has silence + root while people here like to assume my post was about a soraka it really isnt...(soraka has no damage herself her silence is bleh unless her team follows up) my team deserves to lose because they fed but i didnt WHAT'S MY FAULT
: > my fault for underestimating garen i guess he switched focus to me instantly even tho two others were already fighting him props for my team for dealing 0 damage to him that ignoring them and focusing me was very possible (or maybe it's garen's tankiness..) Well yeah garen switched focus to a fed enemy when you came in range... you’re a priority target you can’t expect him not to go after you (likely also the villain as well). And yeah it’s garen no one is gonna damage him much even you... that’s why you stay away from him using a flank. > dude i didnt go bot once.. i like camped bot lane because lux was alone and their mid was rakan hes not really dangerous..(my jungle somehow still died to him) Firstly ap rakan can be dangerous Secondly your team comp was completely messed up is it really a surprise you lost. Thirdly you only got 2 kills bot lane, so while you might have been camping you where wasting your time as the kills wherent happening. > yasuo was top with kayn and kayn was dominating early but i think he %%%%ed up with going assassin transformation instead of tank It was a 2v1 lane and they fed garen... they didn’t dominate early they handed garen the win on a silver platter. > when yasuo was near me i tried to help him but i didnt risk too much he kinda didnt know what he was doing he didnt ult when he should i dont know if it was his first time or was he trolling because he was silver 3 (a bunch of divisions and a rank above me) He wasn’t trolling but he just wasn’t doing well... combine that with fighting for cs with kayn and giving garen the experience lead and I’m not surprised he wasn’t doing anything. > overall a %%%%ed up game but what pissed me off the most that once garen silenced me i insta died and game was over how do you turn such a game around idk 0 counterplay bullshit It had nothing to do with the silence. ___ Let me break down everything that’s wrong in this game... and it’s not just your teammates you messed up big time Firstly your kha dealt 5000 damage to champions... as an assasin that’s pathetic, he was dead weight Secondly 2v1 top lanes don’t work and made a very easy lane for garen, especially as he was even getting kills in the 2v1 lane... so top lane gave garen the game Thirdly 1v2 lane bot which went badly and resulted in lux dying a lot... you also wasted a lot of time there with ganks that didn’t get you anything. And now for what you did. Firstly your build path is bad, you maxed E first... that’s gonna leave you with almost no damage and wave clear... you wanna max Q first. That would have given you more damage in early fights and would have let you actually snowball. Your build was also very defensive... you got RoA and hourglass as your only items, theses give little early game damage and aren’t that good to rush in this situation (you wherent outscalng them, nor would you need the RoA health as ahri)... you should have gotten more damage items to help you carry. So your build shot you in the foot making carrying that game near impossible, not only that you failed to position correctly in the final fight and handed garen the easy kill onto your carry. ___ So don’t blame silences or garen for that lose... you did enough of that yourself. You and your team had a bad comp, bad builds, and bad fights... you deserved to loose
it's like when the new nunu got first released and he was spammed bot lane and his cc chains made me scared to go bot with my favorite champs all over again..thankfully that nightmare is over he's rarely played again
: > my fault for underestimating garen i guess he switched focus to me instantly even tho two others were already fighting him props for my team for dealing 0 damage to him that ignoring them and focusing me was very possible (or maybe it's garen's tankiness..) Well yeah garen switched focus to a fed enemy when you came in range... you’re a priority target you can’t expect him not to go after you (likely also the villain as well). And yeah it’s garen no one is gonna damage him much even you... that’s why you stay away from him using a flank. > dude i didnt go bot once.. i like camped bot lane because lux was alone and their mid was rakan hes not really dangerous..(my jungle somehow still died to him) Firstly ap rakan can be dangerous Secondly your team comp was completely messed up is it really a surprise you lost. Thirdly you only got 2 kills bot lane, so while you might have been camping you where wasting your time as the kills wherent happening. > yasuo was top with kayn and kayn was dominating early but i think he %%%%ed up with going assassin transformation instead of tank It was a 2v1 lane and they fed garen... they didn’t dominate early they handed garen the win on a silver platter. > when yasuo was near me i tried to help him but i didnt risk too much he kinda didnt know what he was doing he didnt ult when he should i dont know if it was his first time or was he trolling because he was silver 3 (a bunch of divisions and a rank above me) He wasn’t trolling but he just wasn’t doing well... combine that with fighting for cs with kayn and giving garen the experience lead and I’m not surprised he wasn’t doing anything. > overall a %%%%ed up game but what pissed me off the most that once garen silenced me i insta died and game was over how do you turn such a game around idk 0 counterplay bullshit It had nothing to do with the silence. ___ Let me break down everything that’s wrong in this game... and it’s not just your teammates you messed up big time Firstly your kha dealt 5000 damage to champions... as an assasin that’s pathetic, he was dead weight Secondly 2v1 top lanes don’t work and made a very easy lane for garen, especially as he was even getting kills in the 2v1 lane... so top lane gave garen the game Thirdly 1v2 lane bot which went badly and resulted in lux dying a lot... you also wasted a lot of time there with ganks that didn’t get you anything. And now for what you did. Firstly your build path is bad, you maxed E first... that’s gonna leave you with almost no damage and wave clear... you wanna max Q first. That would have given you more damage in early fights and would have let you actually snowball. Your build was also very defensive... you got RoA and hourglass as your only items, theses give little early game damage and aren’t that good to rush in this situation (you wherent outscalng them, nor would you need the RoA health as ahri)... you should have gotten more damage items to help you carry. So your build shot you in the foot making carrying that game near impossible, not only that you failed to position correctly in the final fight and handed garen the easy kill onto your carry. ___ So don’t blame silences or garen for that lose... you did enough of that yourself. You and your team had a bad comp, bad builds, and bad fights... you deserved to loose
it's not the first time silences rendered me completely useless as ahri and i didnt know how to react now i am scared to play ahri again because of that bs type of cc anyways thanks for taking your time to analyze that dumpster fire of a game lol
: You know what no I can’t keep quite about this. Your skill order for most champions is bad (Zoe E max), you tried going ad Lulu with conquerer and gargoyle stoneplate, you build mundo with spellbinder and ravenous hydra... and you’ve got the same rune page in absolutely every single one of your games. Before you come on here to complain maybe you should actually look to see if your actually playing the game correctly... if you actually started playing well you’d not have these issues. Sorry to be mean but you can’t complain about this kinds of stuff with so many glaring issues in your own play
lulu ad is fun and it was a normal game i dont know what's wrong with that i am a bad zoe in general nothing to argue here you are taking that out of context i was vs a teemo (and nvm that mundo w scales with ap) i needed every movement speed possible as his shrooms and rylai's slow were getting between me and last hitting him every time and my "plan" suceeded rune pages that work dont need to be changed dont fix what's not broken again i am also playing normals and i am still bronze so i am still experimenting and what am i supposed to do when i am playing a new champ? google mobafire builds and copy them? nah i prefer going with runes i am most comfortable with sometimes even "meta" runes dont mush well with me i used to suck very bad with electrocute no matter what champ i take if i took electrocute i'll probably feed even it was recommended non meta runes that i made myself helped me to do less terrible it's like learning to ride a bicycle and those runes are training wheels if something needs to be tweaked i try different runes if i come and complain here about something i deem unfair i don't think me having my own issues or you disapproving of my posts will stop me define "playing well" i wont build mundo full tank playing tanks bores the hell out of me
: Okay, let's say there remove silence. Then there's Stun. :O What do we do about it?
stuns are okay if you cc me do it properly not do the you "you can move but you can't press any spell" bs
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: None of the enemies had a silence the last time you played Ahri.
scroll down and you'll see what game and what account i played ahri with
: Then don`t get silenced xD
: > getting in his silence range is what killed me* you mean because i fought him plenty before no choice that my less than brillant team decides to fight near the wolves camps and the only way to land my abilities is to get closer So you took a bad fight in confined spaces then tried to go close range while a garen was nearby... yeah no sympathy here. Have you ever considered flanking... instead of throwing yourself through a garen hoping he doesn’t have a brain you could have gone round the side and hit them from behind, protects you from garen and gives an easy line of sight for your charm on important players. So you did a positional mistake and got punished... had nothing to do with a silence. > how do i get early kills with cleanse instead of ignite if you dont mind me asking? You had heal... so same way as you would then... hell you had very few early kills that game as well so if your not getting kills without cleanse then maybe taking cleanse won’t affect you as much as you think. Roaming is good, going up to top lane early game would allow you to get a kill onto garen, that will give yasuo more of a chance. You could also go bot more than just once in order to get kills there. It’s a team game, the way you get kills is working with your team... don’t need ignite for that. > also that's just garen case lol if the silence was from blitz which is also a nuke i'll die so much faster..cleanse then wont help Still very close range you shouldn’t be in ult range for blitz. Plus it’s only a 0.5 sec silence and most blitz won’t be going for damage therefore won’t be ulting. Also remember he loses damage vs single targets by ulting So yeah cleanse won’t help you there, but that’s cause the silence is so short cooldown it wouldn’t really matter... you just gotta but get hooked
my fault for underestimating garen i guess he switched focus to me instantly even tho two others were already fighting him props for my team for dealing 0 damage to him that ignoring them and focusing me was very possible (or maybe it's garen's tankiness..) dude i didnt go bot once.. i like camped bot lane because lux was alone and their mid was rakan hes not really dangerous..(my jungle somehow still died to him) yasuo was top with kayn and kayn was dominating early but i think he %%%%ed up with going assassin transformation instead of tank when yasuo was near me i tried to help him but i didnt risk too much he kinda didnt know what he was doing he didnt ult when he should i dont know if it was his first time or was he trolling because he was silver 3 (a bunch of divisions and a rank above me) overall a %%%%ed up game but what pissed me off the most that once garen silenced me i insta died and game was over how do you turn such a game around idk 0 counterplay bullshit
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: Last time Garen's Q silenced for longer than 1,5 seconds was in season 5.
really for how fast i died even a 1.5 seconds silence is too long they should nerf it to 0.5 he deals a lot of damage to have that long of a silence the moment i tried to move away he ulted for 1k+ true damage the rest of damage he dealt in less than one second I died to his ult wtf
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Last time Garen's Q silenced for longer than 1,5 seconds was in season 5.
ok my bad that was scaling for its movement speed that still hardly matters because i was dead before the silence duration was over
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