MusicaroN (EUW)
: There were a fair share of good suggestions , yours isn't a bad one either with some improvements, but Riot doesn't give a rat's ass about them, and it looks like their carelessness is getting bigger and bigger . I honestly think that if it goes on like this in the next 3 years huge waves of players will leave this game for good.
> [{quoted}](name=MusicaroN,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-09-16T16:22:02.410+0000) > > There were a fair share of good suggestions , yours isn't a bad one either with some improvements, but Riot doesn't give a rat's ass about them, and it looks like their carelessness is getting bigger and bigger . > > I honestly think that if it goes on like this in the next 3 years huge waves of players will leave this game for good. I agree, This is why i'm trying to come up with some new ideas to make this game to stay longer! Thanks for you comment.
: There is not a single system in the world that can detect soft inting. Only way to detect it is for a human being to manually review every single game played which is ridiculous. You would be punishing a lot of innocent people here just on the basis that they triggered the system by getting a report from a tilted teammate. Ranked ban would be a good idea if you would have the system which would be accurate on the punishment. Otherwise it could just be abused and compromised.
> [{quoted}](name=silver4prodigy,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-09-16T12:34:25.011+0000) > > There is not a single system in the world that can detect soft inting. Only way to detect it is for a human being to manually review every single game played which is ridiculous. You would be punishing a lot of innocent people here just on the basis that they triggered the system by getting a report from a tilted teammate. > Ranked ban would be a good idea if you would have the system which would be accurate on the punishment. Otherwise it could just be abused and compromised. I agree, But we need to think something that can punishment that kind of actions and make better the Quality of our Games, so i started first with the idea, If you check the other comments i have already share some of my ideas how the system could work. Thanks for you comment.
DutchPro (EUW)
: The problem isn't the punishment, it's the detection. Unlike flaming inting is hard to detect without a human checking the footage
> [{quoted}](name=DutchPro,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-16T12:06:07.424+0000) > > The problem isn't the punishment, it's the detection. Unlike flaming inting is hard to detect without a human checking the footage The idea is still in process so i started first so we can end up with something better that can work.
DutchPro (EUW)
: The problem isn't the punishment, it's the detection. Unlike flaming inting is hard to detect without a human checking the footage
> [{quoted}](name=DutchPro,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-16T12:06:07.424+0000) > > The problem isn't the punishment, it's the detection. Unlike flaming inting is hard to detect without a human checking the footage This is why the system detection need to be base to the Reports / Tickets and i mean with the base to the Reports to be something like that: They will play like 10 Games from the 10 Games if you get report in the 8 of them for the same reason there must be something wrong the system can detect a such actions from the players Reports is not hard, also the system could be reset if you i didn't get any report in the middle of your next games like if you got in 2 Games report for the same reason and after u have played 2 - 3 more Games again if you didn't get any Report the Reports for that reason can be reset back to zero and start counting again for the next Games so the system can also detect if you have improve yourself. They already detecting the Flamers and they get Chat Restrict, this could be a addinational part of that system too, so when they have Chat Restrict to can't play Ranked Games the 10 Games etc, or when the Chat Restrict gone to still keep them away from the Ranked for some Days, Weeks. Thanks for you comment.
: > [{quoted}](name=EULOG1SON,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T02:20:58.796+0000) > > There is some good parts from my idea that Riot can use to improve the Ranked Games by making a Ranked Banned System, of course you are right but they know better how to handle the Reports / Tickets and make something good and useful. > > Thanks for you comment. With the Tickets/Reports idea you are basing punishment on the Ticket/Report side, without allowing for the case be investigated before the punishment happens. You are effectively calling for people to be presumed guilty before proven innocent; the reverse from what is the status quo even in courts. And I am not sure I can back that; especially how, as I've stated before, the playerbase is using the two terms in the recents years.
> [{quoted}](name=MilkoMeMpougatsa,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T08:07:06.597+0000) > > With the Tickets/Reports idea you are basing punishment on the Ticket/Report side, without allowing for the case be investigated before the punishment happens. You are effectively calling for people to be presumed guilty before proven innocent; the reverse from what is the status quo even in courts. And I am not sure I can back that; especially how, as I've stated before, the playerbase is using the two terms in the recents years. This is a Game not any court, Quality in our Games must be improve, They report other players for a reason if you are innocent you can't get reports in every game and when the system detect that you improve yourself is not gonna give you a penalty from the Ranked Games is for the players who doing this intentionally in every each game or getting Tickets. (And this could be a part of the Behavior System with the Chat Restrict that keep away the players to play ranked the 10 Games etc from the Chat Restrict or even when the Chat Restrict gone to have 1 - 2 Weeks more till to play again Ranked (If he got the Chat Restrict cause he flame in Ranked Games). Everyday a lot of people sending Video Clips from the actions of a player that he is trolling the game and losing cause of that. A Ranked Banned System sounds a really good idea to keep away a such players. Thanks for you comment.
: I would rather Riot implements what DotA did. And that is if you get reported by X number of people in a week you get banned from Ranked games for a month. Next time you get banned for whole season. So until next season you got time to think about your actions. But you aint runing anyones game until than anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=It Grows Big,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-09-16T11:35:06.971+0000) > > I would rather Riot implements what DotA did. And that is if you get reported by X number of people in a week you get banned from Ranked games for a month. Next time you get banned for whole season. So until next season you got time to think about your actions. But you aint runing anyones game until than anymore. Sounds a good idea, I like it but i think the penalty period is too much and this can't work exactly the same as Dota did in League of Legends cause in every Defeat you got Reports from someone from the team even if you lose cause the enemy team is better. Thanks for you comment.
: > [{quoted}](name=EULOG1SON,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-15T20:13:22.159+0000) > > The idea is to keep away for awhile those Players, They can comeback after when the penalty gone and play again. You are effectively throwing Inters and Trolls into the Normal games, you are not solving anything really. And there are a lot of people playing Normal games and you are practically cosindering them like second rate with this solution. > How to detect a such players? This is a problem but I think the best way is to be base to the Reports / Tickets the idea behind could be smth like that: 3 - 5 Games Reports in a row or (seperate the system will reset between and start from zero if u behavior improve) cause you can't be so bad in 3 - 5 Games and get report from the whole team for the same Reason so u get banned from Ranked Games and after if the system detect that u matches improve and you didn't get any report then can reset back from zero and start counting again something like that, Anyway I'm posting the idea here so the right people to read this and think something. > > Thanks for you comment. One thing most people that present *solutions* to the Inter/Trolls issue forget is that you have to prove **intent**, sth that is very difficult to do. In Inting you need '*a ton of games*' to process data to even reach a possibility of proving Inting. Trolls are even more diffult to establish, especially good Trolls. And all that becomes even more difficult when you consider how much the playebase has been overusing the terms "Inters" and "Trolls"; and I blame mostly popular streamers for the overuse **and** its subsequent missuse. All of that makes a system based on Tickets/Reports all that more dangerous.
> [{quoted}](name=MilkoMeMpougatsa,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T22:51:25.227+0000) > > You are effectively throwing Inters and Trolls into the Normal games, you are not solving anything really. And there are a lot of people playing Normal games and you are practically cosindering them like second rate with this solution. > > One thing most people that present *solutions* to the Inter/Trolls issue forget is that you have to prove **intent**, sth that is very difficult to do. In Inting you need '*a ton of games*' to process data to even reach a possibility of proving Inting. Trolls are even more diffult to establish, especially good Trolls. And all that becomes even more difficult when you consider how much the playebase has been overusing the terms "Inters" and "Trolls"; and I blame mostly popular streamers for the overuse **and** its subsequent missuse. All of that makes a system based on Tickets/Reports all that more dangerous. There is some good parts from my idea that Riot can use to improve the Ranked Games by making a Ranked Banned System, of course you are right but they know better how to handle the Reports / Tickets and make something good and useful. Thanks for you comment.
ˉˉIˉˉ (EUW)
: Even worse is the fact that reports should trigger this system. We already got people who call someone going 0/2 in lane "inting" so take a guess how many players a game get reported for trolling (spoiler, all of them)
> [{quoted}](name=ˉˉIˉˉ,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-09-15T21:24:20.889+0000) > > Even worse is the fact that reports should trigger this system. > We already got people who call someone going 0/2 in lane "inting" so take a guess how many players a game get reported for trolling (spoiler, all of them) Is not our job to think how the system is gonna work. Please read the part of the reset and reports that i wrote above this maybe could work but is just a idea. Also this could working only with Tickets and no reports or work with Tickets and be a additional part in Chat Restrict System for Toxics to stay away for awhile from Ranked Games. Thanks for you comment.
: So, the idea is to drop people out of the Ranked Ladder for Trolling and Inting (two of the hardest things to detect unless they're on "Captain Obvious" levels), and still allow them to play Normals ? ... This sounds awfully familiar. And that familiar turned out to be bad.
> [{quoted}](name=MilkoMeMpougatsa,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-15T19:55:45.856+0000) > > So, the idea is to drop people out of the Ranked Ladder for Trolling and Inting (two of the hardest things to detect unless they're on "Captain Obvious" levels), and still allow them to play Normals ? ... > > This sounds awfully familiar. And that familiar turned out to be bad. The idea is to keep away for awhile those Players, They can comeback after when the penalty gone and play again. How to detect a such players? This is a problem but I think the best way is to be base to the Reports / Tickets the idea behind could be smth like that: 3 - 5 Games Reports in a row or (seperate the system will reset between and start from zero if u behavior improve) cause you can't be so bad in 3 - 5 Games and get report from the whole team for the same Reason so u get banned from Ranked Games and after if the system detect that u matches improve and you didn't get any report then can reset back from zero and start counting again something like that, Anyway I'm posting the idea here so the right people to read this and think something. Thanks for you comment.
ryandub (EUW)
: I think they should let people flame as long as the flame isnt hate speech or personally attacking. Whats wrong with constructive criticism? Someone called me "Garbage Ashe" one time cause I missed my ult. I actually laughed cause it was a good insult - but I didnt take it personally. It helps people improve and if its too much then mute. Also, if u have a crap game, int or troll u should be asked to take a break by the system and practice in other game modes for a few games.
> [{quoted}](name=ryandub,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-15T15:13:42.209+0000) > > I think they should let people flame as long as the flame isnt hate speech or personally attacking. Whats wrong with constructive criticism? Someone called me "Garbage Ashe" one time cause I missed my ult. I actually laughed cause it was a good insult - but I didnt take it personally. It helps people improve and if its too much then mute. Also, if u have a crap game, int or troll u should be asked to take a break by the system and practice in other game modes for a few games. Sometimes the Criticism could start a flame conversation and then they can Troll and want to lose the game cause of a bad start conversation, when u talk in the game you don't know who is playing behind so the usually and first action from them is to flame or find something negative to say back and the flame starts, anyway this is a different story. Thanks for you comment.
Pikaguif (EUW)
: The problem of this feeding matter is neutral, it could work out so people don't feed but sometimes there are problems, mostly for jungler as its based upon reports and no confirmation junglers will get reported for not ganking a single time because the lanes are pushed in 24/7 as most low elo players do and then blame the the jungler getting reported because of their lanes and getting banned
> [{quoted}](name=Pikaguif,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-15T15:53:59.092+0000) > > The problem of this feeding matter is neutral, it could work out so people don't feed but sometimes there are problems, mostly for jungler as its based upon reports and no confirmation junglers will get reported for not ganking a single time because the lanes are pushed in 24/7 as most low elo players do and then blame the the jungler getting reported because of their lanes and getting banned You right, But I'm talking about the Intentional Part and this can be reported, so if some players report a Jungler cause he didn't gank or smth like that is smth different, the report system that i wrote above is more about Massive reports that is not happening in only 1 Game but on more Games 3 - 5+. Thanks for you comment.
: Trolling - universal word, used when someone doesn't play the way you want them to.
> [{quoted}](name=Super Hooker,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-15T18:36:11.205+0000) > > Trolling - universal word, used when someone doesn't play the way you want them to. I'm talking about the Intentional Part. Thanks for you comment.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: The idea is good. Mute does not always work since they are still afk typing and not playing. Having the risk of ranked ban for a few weeks could work.
Exactly, and the Quality / Experience in Ranked Games will improve and why not to bring again back some Players that they have stopped the Game for the reasons above. Of course I'm not saying is the best solution that is gonna stop the Flame / Troll and everything but is 1 more **strong ** reason to don't Flame / Troll the Games. Thanks for you comment.
: why ban toxic players you can mute them how can you not flame a botlane than feed or a trashplayer in your team?
> [{quoted}](name=Report tahmTroll,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AEtTqmjO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-15T14:12:31.637+0000) > > why ban toxic players you can mute them how can you not flame a botlane than feed or a trashplayer in your team? Of course you can mute them but in Ranked Games is where the most of the players get more serious and flame more hard and the reason of the hard flame is that they playing in Ranked and is good if they stay away from Ranked for a while (1 - 3 Days) so when they comeback to think twice if they gonna flame again, if you just mute them that is not stopping the future flame even if they got a Chat Restrict till the Perma they always can comeback with a new account, so is like a opportunity to make them to keep their accounts longer and think twice if they gonna flame cuz the Toxic Players is in Ranked Games (Most of them). Thanks for you comment.
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