Xaytah (EUW)
: Here i am playing on my main account still for years after the account i spoke of was banned, im fully aware that people CAN reform but its not a risk i would like to be a part of - less toxicity the more fun games are.
I don't really agree with less toxicity, the funner the game is. You can mute everyone at the start of the game and I wish I've done that a year ago.
: I don't think they will even consider it sadly, Good luck,
Irarius (EUW)
: what i think is a good point is that there are 3 types of toxic ppl and that only 2 of them are actually toxic. Griefer / trolls and ppl who start the flame are a problem, this can trigger ppl hard sometimes the third one who reacts to thsi shit and rly wishes to tell them how dumb they are or something arent as toxic to me honestly im the third, and when i paly the game, and somebody just comes to me and starts taking all my stuff, feeds my lane for good mesure, or suicides for no aparent reason and my most hated one i have ever encountered, ever premate teams of 3 and more there is this thing some of them do, where they tell the enemy they wont attack them, or anything and let them proxy farm all lanes, as long as they search and kill you they will just let them slaughter you and report you if you die or go afk or anything. they literaly force you in a game to die and never even get llvld up. this actually happened to me several times, and i felt like a prisoner i should actually be allowed to tell them the worst names and all that stuff as much as i want, just ebcause i am forced by the you cant leave feature to play. i mean how unfair is this, you cant leave the base, since you instantly die, all youre teammates will run and steal jungle lane, and feed you of too youre enemys, harass you and you have to play this, and cant even call them bastards or leave the game. this is literaly a waste of up to 40-50 minutes of youre life also sometimes ppl do this and you cant go anywhere else since other non premates will also report you for * trolling* if you want to go to another lane or anything. stuff like this rly should allow me to go ham in the chat so i can do something.. like at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=XpEll1,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Y0fh5sG,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-07-02T10:53:25.813+0000) > > The point he was making is that he didn't even get a chance to prove himself during/after a chat restriction - instead he got a 14-day ban and then failed to reform before he was permanently banned. > Furthermore, it's also about others not being punished or being punished more mildly as he was while they "wish him cancer". > > Surely, you have to admit that Riot's machine learning stuff is only a machine, and I personally don't know if it correctly issues all bans (false positive-rate and the other way round). Imagine being judged IRL by a machine instead of a judge, you would be worried, right? You are safe man, no perma bann is issued by a machine, they are looked at and given by live human beings that are getting paid for that. He had all the chances to read the terms and rules, to make a mistake, be warned and AFTER ALL THESE CHANCES get the perma ban. So what's your point again? And people being more toxic than he is will get their punishment sooner or later. That's why this forum is full of threads - Rito unban me im not guilty i reformed !!!
I don't think that Riot manually perma bans people. Can people stop telling me I had all these chances, you are clearly missing the point. I had one chance only. You can clearly see that this is not one of those threads...
Xaytah (EUW)
: I myself have a perma'd account, and i'd rather it stay that way - people wont change so drastically, people will still flame after a while.
How do you know people wont change, you don't know me. I'm sure a lot of people are still toxic but some people really have reformed.
Ehsanelite (EUNE)
: Dude i intentionally made my account get a 14 days ban because i wanted to do a research and see how fast i can get to level 5 honor from locked honor I was never toxic or anything, i just asked people to report me, and said a few bad words like: "Sorry guys i have to say *** to get banned, it's just for ban, I'm not telling it to you" I was level 5 honor last season and level 3 checkpoint 3 this season before the ban After the 14 days ban i did my best to get as many honors as possible, and i was successful, almost 2 to 4 honors every single match Then i encountered 4 troll premades, they flame and made fun of me the entire match, i didn't even flame them or say anything toxic to them, i just typed too much in that match because i was asking them not to flame me so much, and explaining why I'm having a bad game (i was feeding like hell but it wasn't intentional) So after the match they reported me and i got Permanent banned I asked riot support why i got banned even tho i wasn't flaming anyone and i was the one who got roasted the whole match by all of them Riot support told me that i wasn't toxic but i typed too much which got me banned... And they didn't even unban me, now you think you get unbanned? that's impossible This are my chats with riot support(changed names to protect their identity): Riot support: you were not toxic Me: i got so many honors Me: even yesterday Me: a few times most honorable Riot support: the amount of honors doesn't mean anything when it comes to preventing punishments Riot support: we do not want players to act nice and then have a game once in a while where they go ballistic me: did i go ballistic tho? Riot support: not in that game Me: did you read their chat? Riot support: no but that has nothing to do with this Riot support: we are discussing your behavior Riot support: you are responsible for yourself, not for them Another Chat with another riot support: Me: i was trying to get back to highest honor level now Riot support 2: I see me: can you check the honors i got every game? me: I'm really not toxic man :(( Riot support 2: unfortunately, we don't have access to the number of honors received :( me: oh :( Riot support 2: but I can see other markers Riot support 2: and I concur that you're not generally toxic Riot support 2: I'm looking right now at the chat log that triggered the suspension Riot support 2: and as far as I can see, the main reasons that triggered it were the close proximity in time of the 2 week ban and the overall spamming of the chat Even tho i wasn't toxic, i got permanent banned because i typed too much in a game 4 premades were bullying me So don't ask riot for justice or mercy, they have none, and they will not unban you no matter what And yes, it was my fault to try a research on their honor system, I'm using a new account right now and I'm only level 20
: The fact you are perma-banned means that you paid the prize for being toxic AFTER being given number of chanses to reform. That same fact is why you reformed ( if it's true ) I believe people can do it if they mature after they pay for the mistake they did. But if Riot start unbanning accounts, this will mean nobody will be afraid of the punishment they can face and the number of people actually reforming will drop even more. Riot have terms and you should read them...you are in a contract with them, using something that is FREE and it's theirs. You never actually owned that account, nobody does, it's their account. You , spending money on it means nothing, it's your own choise. Move on mate, be friendly stay positive and mute people that offend you ( and report them but dont ask others to report them ) ypur report is enough if true. Good luck on the fields man !
I think that if they really cared about the players they would at least give us a chance.
: > [{quoted}](name=Frøst,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Y0fh5sG,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-01T17:55:45.263+0000) > > I'm asking Riot to change that, you would know that if you read the whole thing, maybe you did but somehow you missed the part where I said I THINK I should get a chance and I THINK they should add the challenge back... They will not do it solely based on the fact that if they do it for you they will have to do it for everyone. And that is never gonna happen. WAY WAY too many flamers that got their accounts banned (me included) will want their accounts back.
I'm asking them to add a feature for everyone, not just me. It can be controlled by bots and I don't think it's that hard to do.
: > [{quoted}](name=Frøst,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Y0fh5sG,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-01T21:16:55.652+0000) > > Everyone said that no matter how much you show you've reformed, Riot wont unban you. I think that that should be changed but unfortunately the majority clearly thinks otherwise. I honestly wish riot would give those that have truly showed remorse the chance. Banning takes seconds to notice and do, But being banned is forever and sometimes you just needed a few weeks of time to see your errors, For me it's been years, i have seen the errors of my ways, yet here i am posting on a smurf, that same main i have tried my best to keep as toxic free is still banned from the forums and it's painful to be reminded of this every time you log in game or on the boards, You plead and try show your not that same person however riot keeps a blind eye regardless of what you say or do and as such you feel distrusted and this can brew more hate than good.
I know you weren't responding to me, does that mean I can't ask you?
: > [{quoted}](name=Frøst,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Y0fh5sG,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-01T21:16:55.652+0000) > > Everyone said that no matter how much you show you've reformed, Riot wont unban you. I think that that should be changed but unfortunately the majority clearly thinks otherwise. I honestly wish riot would give those that have truly showed remorse the chance. Banning takes seconds to notice and do, But being banned is forever and sometimes you just needed a few weeks of time to see your errors, For me it's been years, i have seen the errors of my ways, yet here i am posting on a smurf, that same main i have tried my best to keep as toxic free is still banned from the forums and it's painful to be reminded of this every time you log in game or on the boards, You plead and try show your not that same person however riot keeps a blind eye regardless of what you say or do and as such you feel distrusted and this can brew more hate than good.
Shiwah what trust did I break? There was no trust between us to begin with, what do they expect all players to act like a fairy when getting flamed by multiple people more than once a day?
: > [{quoted}](name=Frøst,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Y0fh5sG,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-01T21:16:55.652+0000) > > Everyone said that no matter how much you show you've reformed, Riot wont unban you. I think that that should be changed but unfortunately the majority clearly thinks otherwise. I honestly wish riot would give those that have truly showed remorse the chance. Banning takes seconds to notice and do, But being banned is forever and sometimes you just needed a few weeks of time to see your errors, For me it's been years, i have seen the errors of my ways, yet here i am posting on a smurf, that same main i have tried my best to keep as toxic free is still banned from the forums and it's painful to be reminded of this every time you log in game or on the boards, You plead and try show your not that same person however riot keeps a blind eye regardless of what you say or do and as such you feel distrusted and this can brew more hate than good.
: > [{quoted}](name=Frøst,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Y0fh5sG,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-07-01T17:42:49.317+0000) > > If people who wish me cancer and are constantly tilting others got all 3 chances, and I didn't just because I said certain words that are considered really "offensive" than I don't think that that's fair. > > I already posted this same thing on the NA boards I hope a Rioter sees it. The truth is sadly you need to be able to show reform on a high level and the standard is set to a extreme level. such a level that it is abuse. You want people to show reform you need to show them the way and hitting the ban hammer instantly without connecting first.. now that is un called for.
Everyone said that no matter how much you show you've reformed, Riot wont unban you. I think that that should be changed but unfortunately the majority clearly thinks otherwise.
: So you there by keep exposing this person to increasing high levels of abuse? Even when this player has admitted defeat, Come to grips with his wrong doing, Does his best to show reform, then you throw him to the dogs?
: Youmuu got a 14day ban for inting but it was lifted after he made a video explaining that game. Havent heard of any other cases though.
: Did you read the part where valid bans are never lifted?
I'm asking Riot to change that, you would know that if you read the whole thing, maybe you did but somehow you missed the part where I said I THINK I should get a chance and I THINK they should add the challenge back...
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
If people who wish me cancer and are constantly tilting others got all 3 chances, and I didn't just because I said certain words that are considered really "offensive" than I don't think that that's fair. I already posted this same thing on the NA boards I hope a Rioter sees it.
RaduCr (EUW)
: Don't bother trying this...if you're not an YTer with XXXXXXXXXX subscribers and XXXXXXXXX views at your content you don't get unbanned.
Did any youtubers or streamers even get their account unbanned? I know tyler1 got ID unbanned but I haven't heard of any streamers or youtubers getting their accounts back.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
The problem is I skipped chat restrictions only because I said certain words, I don't think that that is fair because some players are way more toxic and get more chances than me? About the support. Are you talking about sending a ticket through submit a request? I did that and they told me to post something on boards because there is a chance that their dev team will be checking out the posts but most of the things I got here is stuff that I already know and is not relevant or rejection.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
First of all I had 1 chance, just one, and honestly since I got the 2 week ban first I didn't think I will get the perma right after that, I'm not saying that it would make a difference if I did because honestly I didn't change my attitude after that 2 week ban, but after I got the perma ban I realized what I just lost, at first I was angry at myself and Riot but then I accepted that it was my own mistake for not following the rules and I reformed and I repeat, the difference between a 2 week ban and a perma ban is huge. Is there any way I can talk to a Rioter?
: That will never happen though. They don't care in you have "reformed". If you have. Then make a new account and PROVE it.
I currently am playing on an account and I already passed more than 20 levels on it, I also got to platinum without getting any bans, I talked about this in the post but it's just not the same playing on my side account. That's why I want to get a chance to get unbanned. I'm not one of those kids to say they have reformed without any proof to themselves and Riot and ask to get a free unban, I'm asking to get a chance to prove I reformed, but Riot and the rest of the community doesn't care about that and they don't believe me... They say I can make another account... But they don't understand it's not the same, I had almost all champions on that account, so much runes, and so much IP, that's why it's not the same...
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Ok, but what if I really mean it and I actually have proof? It gives an unfairly gained prize? That's what the challenge is for lol, to prove that you are reformed and are not toxic anymore, that is not unfair, I'm not asking you to unban me just because I said I've reformed, I'm asking you to give me a chance to prove what I said... That comparison doesn't make any sense. And you still haven't answered my question: What will you lose if you give people the chance to prove they have reformed?
: Banned accounts will NOT be un-banned. - Unless a false ban was issued.
... I love it how people miss the point. I know that, that is why I wrote this post to try to change Riot's mind but all you guys are saying is already everything I know. I wrote about why I think there should be a chance of getting unbanned if you prove you reformed...
: They already have a chance to make a new account, keep their filthy mouths shut and focus on the GAME instead of chat. Valid bans are never ever lifted.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I know that, I even mentioned that in the post, but you did that challenge a long time ago and what makes you so sure that it will fail again? Why not give the players a chance at least, if you really care about your players you would at least give them that chance, as I said you can hire bots, what are you going to lose if you do that?
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