: 1: Implying Disruptive behavior with Chat affecting gameplay, If I went with your standards someone putting a Smiley face is Disruptive behavior which affects my Gameplay because it Diverts my eyes onto the chat box and making me die all for a smiley face. That is implying to your current logic. It isn't toxic but it still disrupts my focus, correct? 2: proving inting is very easy, someone with 0% kill participation and 18 deaths is very clear of intent, i don't understand how it isnt Clear. 3: Community running behavior is a bad thing, considering its Biased. Realistically Toxicity should only be punished through chat restrictions and nothing more. You prevent a man from speaking then he can't flame even if he want to. You ban him? majority of the time they hop on their other account and continue the exact same thing leading an endless cycle of toxicity. Tyler1 is just a shining example of how Banning people for toxicity has no effect other then #1 breeding more toxicity or #2 losing players. both outcomes are bad. they is no good outcome on banning someone who's toxic, in fact people become infamous for their toxicity and being banned, which in turn makes them keep playing the game because they get a huge ego boost over it. Banning people for toxicity is a just adding wood to the fire. Me, I already have a level 30 account i Levelled throughout my 14-day ban, but im not playing the game because the game is at a complete garbage state and how they deal with punishments is over the top. I fail to see how ruling out a over-obnoxious punishment for something as little as words. Blizzard is just like Riot with their ultimate strict term policy of flaming, but you see they do it correctly, You have 0 ability to talk if you proven to have only negative chat logs. They continue playing the game and at the same time hacking away at toxic behavior.
dont try to argue with a guy , he is entitled by rito themselves to act like he has a moral highground because he is a dirty aram player and never experienced competetive frustration because he does not play ranked games etc. Just tell him you F'd his wife or smth and move on
: > i mean according to their own rules its not punishable Since you keep repeating that part, would you mind showing us the source that you think says that? Riot is very clear on the fact that they do not accept rude behavior (mostly because the community doesn't).
Damn the moderation here is harsher than i remembered. Are you having fun doing this ? maybe play some ranked games and experience the game ?
: I don't even watch Shaclone so I can't confirm this, but he has probably something around 4-5 accounts banned already. Sure this isn't like 20-22 accounts, but Riot sees that he isn't reforming. Maybe Riot will do this permanent ban before 20 bans, who knows. (I hope so)
not defending tyler 1 but : yea he got 22 accounts banned but only 7-10 ( dont remember ) were banned for toxicity others were banned because they recognised its him and it was after the indefinite ban thingy so shaclone should be banned forever already. i had a player that copied his "blue shen" tactic so i think they should do smth with him ASAP
Murder1us (EUNE)
: Just read.
i had jhin top today ... the well known counter to riven as he said it himself he obv went 1-7 in first 10 minutes and game was over ( not only his fault but mostly his he ended like 4-14 and fed their entire team ) sadly we cant do nothing, you can only dodge when you see shit like that, if i dodged that game i would have been 15 LP richer. Sad thing is that games like that tilt me super hard and then i go on loosing streak because i cant untilt. guess thats smth i need to work on
: How can i stop flame? @Riot @Community pls help me
You have to learn how to let go , i was and maybe i still am negative myself, i like this game and i like winning so i get annoyed when my team underperforms and holds me down ( to haters yea i understand sometimes im the one holding them down ). Today i played with jhin top.... he picked it to "counter riven " he was obv trolling and after he died like 7 times in lane game was over. Was i mad annoyed and tilted because this fucking idiot did pick this stupid champ ? yea i was , i still am cause he lost us the game just with this pick and i cant even report it because its not punishable to pick "off meta " picks that you never tried and fed your ass off. But did i flame him ? hell no , its a game yea we lost hard but i focused on my performance , my own mistakes. Season is year long so you shouldnt care about 1 game if you have long term goals ( like for me its getting back to plat altho im struggling with negative winrate in g5 now ). People need to let go , this one game wont matter in the end and if i think i tried my best and even tho i had some missplays i did pretty well fuck the results. #LoseIsImprove
Kensei0 (EUNE)
: From what I've heard you don't always get notification, when someone you reported gets banned. So when you could get only 2 notifications after someones ban, probably more of this toxic players got punished.
Riot support told me that you will get notification only if the punishment happened in the next 48 hours from your report.
Grimachite (EUNE)
: I'm getting seriously tilted.
man when i see things like you wrote in my games im like" i dont give a single fuck anymore blame me flame im not gonna respond to it but you just got yourself "never gank" card and you wont see me toplane ever " i'm a toxic person myself ( or maybe was dunno if reformed yet ) and things like this got me suspended, i always replied to this shit , when smbd blamed me for not ganking or for my bad score i replied like " 0/6/0 and you blame me for that XD " since i made my chat so small i can only use it for summoner spell timings and maybe some quick calls i have much better games , maybe not even skill wise but i enjoy playing this game , i still get tilted often when people missplay super hard or troll on purpose but i started thinking about removing chat at all and focusing on my gameplay even more
Lauralf (EUW)
: I am slowly losing my soul :'(
and in moments like that we call #unlucky
Fedairkid (EUW)
: Explanation please, no seriously i want to know
Why ? its easy question it was mix of tilt and giving up , when your laner is 0/8 and you get destroyed by his opponent #invades , when you loose half of your jungle effectively so you cant catch up it sucks. I dont promote Vi's behaviour but its understandable , you feel useless and you can blame your 1 laner , your team refuses to surrender the game that in your mind ( its not sure but most likely ) is lost , you feel like they are wasting your time etc. Yea this guys should just chill and try to win/ make plays etc. But its not so easy , maybe he was on loosing streak and it was another game where he couldnt do much due to his teammates underperforming. If you want to help in situations like that just try to ask him what to do , try to communicate. If it fails there is nothing you can do , you can only play your game and hope he will see that the game is actually winnable if not its most likely lost and there is no point in suffering.
tortsY (EUNE)
: Ofc u can call someone "troll" if he is trolling (for ex. building 6 boots) but u can't flame him then but u have to behave good :)
lul "flaming" i love this term , these days everything is considered flame. " you fucked up " toxic af , " man are you boosted ? " oh my got so negative. im actually curious how people from this boards exist irl where in school they will tell you that you fucked up milion times , in work they will call you stupid when you fuck up. it amuses me how people here can consider telling smbd " man you're useless just farm " extremely toxic behaviour that should be banned. btw i had a convo with riot support about one of my restrictions calling smbd a "Troll " is negative behaviour and you can get punished for that.
tortsY (EUNE)
: Even when someone is trolling, inting or doing something else that is bannable doesn't give u rights to flame :) u can ask "Can u pls stop inting? :)" but u can't say "fckn scrub kys and uninstall this gam... u ruin my game u moron... pls rly kys" so if u flame them u will get punished even if they did wrong and against the rules :)
just because they loose you and 3 others 40 minutes of their life you cant call them stupid because its not real life and riot will protect you from every comment that insults you XD 2k17 still cant even say he is trolling because its negative behaviour XD i love when people bring those examples like you did above, nobody questions things like that should always be banned but there are people like myself that question punishments for justified negativity, i argued with many people on this boards defending "toxic " guys and everybody brings those examples. cmon man we understand it but i just dont agree negative guys that call a troll a "troll" being punishable
tortsY (EUNE)
: How would u detect inters? By watching every game when someone is reported for inting? that costs pretty much... cause they don't want to have too many workers who just look through games if someone is really inting or not... remember that always bad stats don't mean that they are inting :) sometimes people just have bad games
there is actually a system that detects inters man , i dunno how it works but maybe just take it and make it better.
Stephaniee (EUNE)
: Question about people who intentionally ruin a game
ok so basically their behaviour is harder to detect, i agree with you 100% , people that int or soft int should be instabanned but riot has troubles detecting them. meanwhile your behaviour , my behaviour when you are negatvie towards the inter a guy who ruins your game looses 40minutes of your life e is easily detected. Its a mistake , i was chat restricted multiple times when i called out an inter or a guy who rage quitted in a negatve manner. sadly riot does not care enough, yea they can ban toxicity easily and they stick to that but they dont give a fuck about other behaviours , yea there is a system that bans inters meanwhile there was a guy on this boards that posted op.gg of a guy that inted 21 ( ! ) games in a row without ban, best solution is to give more resources to a department that can develop new system for inters because they also make games more toxic, but who cares lets make new ahri skin and get 7 figures on that -.-
Stellary (EUW)
: Problem solved. It appears this was a mistake and my account has been unbanned. Also, all season 6 rewards are in my account. Thanks to the support and to everyone here in the forums. Your help was much appreciated! :)
wow glad to hear that ! enjoy your stay on fields of justice <3
Stellary (EUW)
: Came back to LoL after one year. My account is permanently suspended???
Nobody on boards can help you there but it would be nice of you to comment what it was when riot support gives you a reason. Wish you luck hopefully its just a mistake
: It seems you are the one failing in reading and quoting my words only partially. We all know you didn't get restricted based only on one game, unless you went full verbal-Hitler in the game. If people report you for no reason -> reports are invalid -> no punishment. >but mostly simple negative behaviour like calling smn useless is punished the same way as wishing smbd cancer Yes, because you don't need to bring that kind of shit in the game. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. I guess you have somesort of proof of your examples as well, you know, to back up your claims and not just talking out of your arse. Because I could also go and just say, I was in a game with you and you flamed our bot lane since the first minute, hoping they'd kill themselves etc. It's easy to make things up.
Actually i did , i was negative in a game and was chat restricted for 10 games for being negative , i was reported for a guy with honorable ribbon tho maybe it had smth to do. Sadly i dont have proofs , just like you do not have them too :) other than that there is no point in talking to you if in your opinion wishing you cancer is same thing as calling you bad there is no point of further discussion. I played many sports , some as amateur some on competetive level , Nobody ever considered calling some mistake , missplay or anything else "bad" calling my teammate "wanker" as extremely negative behaviour, things like that happen on a daily basis. I am rly gratefull that i will never meet you in game and irl, you pick parts from a post that you can argue with while obeying others that you cant respond to, you accuse me of getting facts from my "arse" when there is literally no sense in doing so. I actually try to see your point and maybe understand it better while you just want to fight and prove me wrong everytime , its waste of my time to have a disccusion with smn like that. It makes me sad to see people in this community so blindly biased towards some system but what can i do i cant force you to open your eyes to diffrent opinions. Be blind my man
: I'm not biased because I actually have read about the system and how it works. It treats everyone equally, ie. premades hold no extra power vs. solo players and even famous streamers get banned. If you are being a dick toward others, you should be prepared to be dicked too. And as it is known, a single game will not get you punished 99% of the time. So if your "proofs" are one single game of bad behaviour, well...
famous streamers get banned ---> latest story about meteos inting not banned a single game will not get you punished ---> i was chat restricted for a single game and it wasnt 4 years ago it was like a month ago on 2nd acc guess either your ability to read is lacking but imo its not the case , its just what you said is not actually true :D my strongest disagreement with the system is actually not that it treats others diffrent ( just a small digression its not that system treats others diffrent its that based on how many reports you get you get punished, if you have poor performance in the game you were negative people will most likely report you and you will get banned on the other hand you can be toxic in a winning game and there is smaller chance of getting banned ), its that there is same punsihement for diffrent crimes , yea we can argue that extremly toxic behaviour can be insta permabanned but its minority of cases , but mostly simple negative behaviour like calling smn useless is punished the same way as wishing smbd cancer, hate speech , calling him a retard etc. That is what makes me dont belive in this system. Both behaviours above are bad , but one is harmless tilt which is not game breaking yea smn can feel offended but cmon and yea it should be punsihed but not in the same way as " the biggest mistake hitler did is that he did not kill your whole nation " or " i wish you death in pain " or " i will find you irl and kill you " ( all of those are quotes from recent games i played in just 1 day )
: Why are people so damn toxic
personally i consider myself toxic but not in a way you described ( not makin death threats , wishing cancer , no fucking your mother or calling you a retard ) lets call me a negative player or a tilter I often got ( not doing it anymore ) tilted when i had good performance in the game but my other laners weren't doing that great, it wasnt like i blamed them it was more of a " why the fuck dont you call for help " , i tried giving advices ( simple things like care cause their jungle is bot ) but they still did die even tho i pinged and even typed in chat that " you may expect gank between 2:40 and 3:30 because he will get lvl 3 from crugz " it made me more tilted and that triggers me , not getting gangbanged bot/top/mid whatever but not listening to your team. Other than that , it tilts me super hard when people blame me for no reason ex. i got cheesed as hecarim jungle and was super behind team started calling for ganks and i said that we loose 2v2 and i need to catch up so plz play safe yet he pushed the lane died and started calling me boosted if this happens often in one game it tilts me and i used to type his score in this case it was smth like " lol 0/6/0 toplaner blames me for his score XD " im not proud of it but it is how it is. Overall its an unpopular opinion here on boards when i look at this toxic part of community ( that i sadly belong too ) there are 2 types of guys 1) type is tilters, guys that want to win and care about winning they just get tilted from poor performance , either its theirs or their team they are not wishing you death or cancer, they are just negative , they type things like "gg" " ff20 " " useless XXX " " boosted ". 2) type is flamers , guys that will blame you always for their mistakes and will be toxic towards you even if you did nothing to them , every single thing might trigger them to int or wish you death , either you will take "THEIR" red ( they dont care that you play jungle ) or take their cs. Both behaviours are negative and do not improve performance of their team , but i'm actually happy that some people in this community that i meet in soloq recognise that there is a solution for 1 type of players . Just play , try to win , try to communicate. I sometimes meet people that even tho they sucked in lane carried me by their behaviour in game , simple questions like " how do we win ? " " ill push top do this and this " even if its from player that is behind sometimes help be untilt and get back to the game and try to help my team and for that im very gratefull PS: its not said that the above 2 types of behaviours cant exist in one person.
GoleBilon (EUNE)
: its hilariious where i mentioned that you dont play the game at all right now , and you took it as an insult , its a fact. If you have brown eyes and i will call you " you brown-eyed girl/man " is it an insult ?No its stating a fact. People like you are the problem in some cases , you obv cant see a diffrence between a fact and insult. Its same in many situations in game stating a fact in not an insult. If i call a silver player "silver" do i insult him ? lets get deeper if i call a man a "man " do i insult him ? wtf is wrong with you ? you want me to treat those behaviours same with wishing anybody cancer laughing about mental disabilities ? What the hell is wrong with you if you dont see the diffrence here. there is little to no point of this discussion when you can over and over again manipulate my words to prove your arguments. I stated that calling smbd a retard is extremely toxic behaviour yet you use it as an example of "less toxic " and compare it to calling smbd a %%%***. you clearly see no diffrence between calling smn bad or wishing them cancer. IMO there is big diffrence and both things should never be punished in the same way. Enjoy your life and live happily , ill end it here because there is so much things to do and great people to talk to even here , that im not gonna waste my time on smbd who manipulates statements to prove his/her point in an argument on boards
TFW you still treat " you dont play the game right now you dont know from a 1st person perspective how game can treat you etc " as an insult and ad pesonam attack, its a simple fact you confirmed it yourself it looks silly to have such strong opinion on topic that includes spamming this game ( experiencing toxicity and negative in big doses requires playing this game a lot) ... eeh respond to things that you can argue with ignore those that actually matter in this case. why do i even respond, have a great day :)
: >its actually sad to see how you care more about those people still after few days than your actuall game play. I don't play the whole day, you know there is this thing called ''Spare time''. The whole point of a community board is to discuss with others what we are doing right now. It's never right to flame at someone eventhough you lost your last games because of a feeder or something like that. They flamed at me because i told Singed he wasn't proxxying the right way, that's all. If that's a reason for you to flame at someone you're toxic as well. If you understand why someone would flame, that's just wrong dude, it's never right to flame at someone. When you say something like ''that you could be playing the game and learning improving and getting better'' you think because i made this thread i am not improving to be a better player? That's just mindless to say. ''and yet instead you want to get **some** people punished'' Again, you are totally defending flamers that's just wrong, i seriously doubt if you understand how wrong this. It's **NEVER** okay to flame at someone. If you do so, you deserve a punishment and especially if you do so multiple times in one game. ''From my point of view you are not better than them , you were not trying to stop the whole argument , you wanted to escalate it and get them banned and that is pathetic.'' By doing this they actually get what they deserve, a punishment. They have to face the consequences if they want to flame etc. Again, if you don´t agree on this you are a toxic person and there is no need to even, as you say it yourself, waste your time futher in this discussing because according to you, it´s a waste of time to discuss on the boards which is made to interact and discuss with other people from this community. EDIT: I just noticed you also had a whole conversation with Hansiman. You are so ironic, it's unbelievable. You are so dense it's just fascinating how ironic you are.
as far as i know i can read , and write maybe have some wording mistakes but i never told you that its good to flame others for whatever reason. I said multiple times their behaviour is bad and is not justified by anything. All i'm saying is you should care less about it. All those assumptions you made about what do i think , or what do i do are wrong. " you are totally defending flamers " .... yet i wrote " it does not justify them tho" You have still troubles understanding me so i will write it in a simpliest way i can because maybe my englando is broken. My point: Yea they were bad to you , they had reasons you dont know but their behaviour is not justified . IMO you care too much about the whole fuss, you did not try to end this argument with them, everything you did was escalating it. and this < is what is pain in the ass. People tilt , people make mistakes , people flame IGNORE IT AND DONT ESCALATE WHOLE SITUATION. Be smarter dont make even bigger argument because then , altho you are not toxic , you are not improving the situation either. And my overall observation after reading those boards for a while , people care too much about report system. Yea you , me and everybody at some point will meet toxic tilted people , when you get in those arguments ( like i used to do mb sry ) just report them and move on , dont escalate conflicts , dont report everybody for simple outburst of emotions ( not your case ) just focus on the game , because we play this game for the game itself.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
its hilariious where i mentioned that you dont play the game at all right now , and you took it as an insult , its a fact. If you have brown eyes and i will call you " you brown-eyed girl/man " is it an insult ?No its stating a fact. People like you are the problem in some cases , you obv cant see a diffrence between a fact and insult. Its same in many situations in game stating a fact in not an insult. If i call a silver player "silver" do i insult him ? lets get deeper if i call a man a "man " do i insult him ? wtf is wrong with you ? you want me to treat those behaviours same with wishing anybody cancer laughing about mental disabilities ? What the hell is wrong with you if you dont see the diffrence here. there is little to no point of this discussion when you can over and over again manipulate my words to prove your arguments. I stated that calling smbd a retard is extremely toxic behaviour yet you use it as an example of "less toxic " and compare it to calling smbd a %%%***. you clearly see no diffrence between calling smn bad or wishing them cancer. IMO there is big diffrence and both things should never be punished in the same way. Enjoy your life and live happily , ill end it here because there is so much things to do and great people to talk to even here , that im not gonna waste my time on smbd who manipulates statements to prove his/her point in an argument on boards
: >System does not take in consideration context. Because it doesn't really matter. You can /msg with your premade if you really have to or use voice comms. > when i said quote " man just go fucking afk but stop inting " to a 0-15 triple zeal mobi boots pantheon, was it toxic ? Yes. You could have worded that differently and then it wouldn't have been.
it amuses me how people can be so biased towards this system but there is no point of further discussion because i cant agree with your opinion sadly , i think that this system does not treat people equally , i have multiple proofs of it with recent behaviours i reported and sent to riot support. im happy that you enjoy it tho , its good that many people feel everything is well deserved :)
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
i dont know what country you live in but in mine no matter how many candy you steal you will not end up in prison for 25 years , for murder you do so we can already forget about this argument "there are not treated equally " yea they are , they are treated exactly the same , there is minority of cases where extreme toxic behaviour gets you permabanned instantly most of the times and by most i meean vast majority of the times its the same punishment 10 game chat resritction 25 game chat restrction suspension and permaban so another argument blows in ashes. " tel; me how useful is to be nagging annoyance all game ... " nobody said smth about all game long spamming , i talked about outburst of emotions in one post in chat yet you manipulate what i said again , i gave examples about my case about one post calling smbd bad one time. just smth i saw on this boards , the people with little to no understanding of tilting and outbursts of emotions in game are mostly unranked players with little to no experience in game. You are no exception to this. you dont play this game much , yet you tell others how this system is good etc, some people here play 10 games a day , they experience like 8 or 10 trolls daily , they are harassed most of the times. Yet smbd like you , with no games played , no rankeds play think that he can speak about the system he does not participate in . Thats fucking hilarious. You clearly have no idea what im talking about , because you never experienced such behaviours yet you still have strong opinion about them. Play this game experience this stuff and then tell me how it was and how great it was.Then when smbd will wish your whole family cancer will tell you he fucked your mother killed your brother and wishes your whole nation another holocaust , treat him the same way as like he would tell you " you are useless at this computer game ". Or belive in the hand of justice of riot when you meet him again in soloq.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
you still cant understand a diffrence insult ---> " you are a retard fuck you " opinion ---> " you are bad " when your teacher in school said " you did bad at the test " did you call 911 and reported that he insulted you ? Are you also aware that the endless chat restriction method would make SOME of those tilted guys i speak about become trolls and they would get banned forever , this way there would be still punishment for "hard crimes " and people that get " mildly negative in game " would not be punished the same way guy that says " the only thing hitler did wrong is that he did not kill your whole nation " ( this quote is literally taken from a guy that i met 3 days ago , still not banned enjoying soloQ , i wonder how many times in your opinion should i call smbd bad to get on his level of toxicity ) I don't know how blindly biased towards the system you must be to not see diffrence between those 2 behaviours , i will not agree that they should get punished in the same way hate speech , homophobia , death threats =/= calling smbd bad in a computer game. if you treat them both equall there is not point of discussion because its the basics of my point and you are denying its existance every single post.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > i would actually want to show you how many times the only response i got to " man youre doing bad build this and that its best build and will make you tanky " was " fuck you toxic reported , report XXXXX for negative " Then you tried, and he didn't want to listen. Ignore him, and move on. If you're not breaking any rules, why do you care how he respond to you? --- > i used to respond to them in a little negative manner smth like " 0/6 blames me whole game XD " and this behaviour is bannable . thats what i dont understand. Because you're being rude. It's as simple as that. You don't get the right to insult people just because they insulted you first. The only thing that happens then is that both of you deserve a report and potentially a punishment. You're no better than someone flaming if you decide to flame them as well. --- > in my latest suspension the worst thing i typed was "useless mid " after he blamed me for 15 minutes Why didn't you mute this person if it bothers you? And you can't really say that it doesn't bother you, because you decided to respond in a negative manner, indicating that it got to you. If people are harassing you ingame, you should mute them. There's absolutely no reason to allow yourself to continue to see their abuse in the chat, when it's clearly getting to you. Once the game is over, report the person behaving in such a manner. You yourself have seen that reports matter against unwanted behaviour.
I dont get right to insult them , but i DID NOT INSULT THEM . Its literally telling them their score, yea it might be rude but its not game breaking. I will never agree that smth this mildly negative can get you banned , its ridiculous its not even calling smbd stupid its just one of the simpliest responses to tell smbd to stfu without telling him to stfu. 2nd part , yea i mute most of guys like that now, yea it impacts everybody when smbd spams chat with insults and deaththreats but dont tell me a simple line like that should get you banned , is it logically correct to say that ? hell no i was stupid and i know that , but i dont think people should get punished for smth that has little to no negative impact. Everybody learns on mistakes i learned my lesson hard way , but i dont want a community where people who did not learn it yet can get permabanned for line like that because a stupid system treats it same as hate speech deaththreats and other great experiences that EUNE server gives you on a daily basis . If you compare what i did , as stupid as it is , to deaththreats and acknowladge that they get punished the same i think its stupid i posted my idea for a solution to this problem , there should be 2 tiers of "crimes" and 2 tiers of punishments 1 for mild negative behaviours like i did or OP did and punsihment should be bigger chat restrictions no IP gains etc and 2nd tier for players that make death threats , hate speech , inting , calling people names all the time or calling them retards . Those behaviours should be punished more severe Its only my opinion for you those 2 "crimes" might be same thing but for me it isnt , there are many players in this game and most of them tilt sometimes or can be down from upcoming loss , dont treat them same as extremely toxic people who live from flaming others. Everybody makes mistakes some of us learn faster some of us slower and we all know its hard to get out of argument for some of us.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
i dont think you understand me , as "tilted from a game " i mean smbd called other guy bad or typed their score and laughed in chat . in your example you bring calling smbd a retard which is unaccaptable in every case no matter if it was tilt or smth. My overall point is that some behaviours , like getting tilted and being just negative ( not like in your 1st example flmaing and calling names ) should not get you banned forever, this punishment should be reserved for extremely toxic behaviours ( inting, deaththreats , hate speech ) Lets be honest here i dont think that calling smbd bad , or boosted or even a bonobo once in a game or responding to harrasment and getting into arguments is so game breaking, its a normal behaviour people argue when they have diffrent opinions. Whats at least imho is game breaking is extremely toxic behaviours that should be always punished. We can agree or disagree but i will never agree that calling smbd bad or saying "useless mid " once in a game after smbd harrased you for 15 minutes and blames you whole game should get you banned ( but i may me biased because its my case ) I respect the rules but i can relate to people who respond to arguments , its hard to stop getting into fights in game and there are people on this boards that did exactly this and got banned most of them are not toxic and are great teammates but smbd triggered them.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > meanwhile in this community there is a situation where calling somebody bad , or useless once in a game or sometimes even giving them advice about their build is considered toxic and extremely negative. Have you read the [Summoner's Code](http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/)? These are the guidelines that we, the players, are to follow while interacting with other players in the game. You've agreed to, on multiple occassions, to follow these guidelines. In them, you'll find the following: > # **Leave No Newbie Behind!** > _"Be an opener of doors for such as come after thee." -Ralph Waldo Emerson_ > We all started somewhere, and if we're going to do justice to the people who helped us move up the ladder, we have to start by paying homage to our roots. If you see a player having a bad game, or who clearly doesn't grasp the fundamentals of the genre, try offering some constructive advice. If you do so in a civil and friendly manner, it's likely that they will be receptive. Oftentimes they'll be downright grateful that somebody took the time to let them know how to improve instead of yelling at them. > Never get frustrated by an inexperienced player's performance. At some point, you were just as green as they were, even if it was the day that you downloaded the League of Legends client. Have a little patience, and try and help the player step up to a level where both of you can enjoy the game. At the same time, don't be discouraged if they aren't receptive. Some small percentage of players will get hung up on the notion that they don't need anybody's help, and, no matter how politely you try to lend a hand, they won't want to hear it. That's no reason to give up on the rest of them! There's other pointers to note as well, as "drive constructive feedback" and "facilitate civil discussion". When you just outright call a person bad, you're not being any help. You're not trying to aid that player in any manner as to what they could be doing better, which is part of being constructive. If a person is struggling, do you really think just calling him bad is going to make them suddenly play a lot better? More likely, you're hitting a nerve on a person that is already frustrated, and you're more likely going to engage in a verbal argument caused by your mockery. I often try to provide some constructive feedback in the game. Most people actually accept that, while some don't like it. If people don't want to listen, that's fine, I don't need to spend time to help them. Providing constructive feedback is ok, but people tend to forget the "constructive" part.
i would actually want to show you how many times the only response i got to " man youre doing bad build this and that its best build and will make you tanky " was " fuck you toxic reported , report XXXXX for negative " then i tried saying to a guy " you're 0/5 man it would be good to build ninja tabis vs yasuo " and i got " fuck you report him for verbal " Im not the type of guy that is flaming for no reason or blaming his team , everybody makes mistakes and eveyrbody can have a worse game but if guys like i mentioned above are starting blaming me and flaming me i used to respond to them in a little negative manner smth like " 0/6 blames me whole game XD " and this behaviour is bannable . thats what i dont understand. Im posting on boards frequently to be less toxic and to understand how everybody feels and to stop getting into arguments , but fuck this im not even 1/10 as toxic as people who post their chatlogs out here. in my latest suspension the worst thing i typed was "useless mid " after he blamed me for 15 minutes and no i dont think it should get me banned ( i tried helping this person at first but he started harassing me after i missplayed and we did not get a kill ). i typed it once in a game and it was the most toxic thing i've found in my chat logs. I will never agree that behaviour like i presented is so game breaking it should be permabanned but according to rules it is.
: I didn't made this thread because i felt offended. I made this thread to tell that my in game experience with League so far is that it has a lot of flamers and almost all of them are smurfs. The actual beginners i have played with don't flame at anyone eventhough they get flamed at. Wasting time is subjective, to me i haven't wasted any time doing this but for you it's a waste of time. That's the difference. People can call me bad which isn't the probably but continueing with it by using swear words is and that's bannable, i just wanted more proof thus me adding them. And i am 100% real with you, if you swear at me i seriously don't care, you don't believe me but that's fine, it's up to you. I also have all right to make this thread and by the way aren't you wasting your time right now? You are being really ironic.
its actually sad to see how you care more about those people still after few days than your actuall game play. People make mistakes and others will get tilted by it. Im not that kind of person i dont blame my team but i can understand them to a point that you made "their" game hard it doesnt justify their behaviour tho. Why am i posting on boards , because im toxic myself , altho i consider myself as more like a "negative and getting into arguments" kinda guy not simple flaming others. Also , you have every right to make this thread but isnt it funny that you could be playing the game and learning improving and getting better and yet instead you want to get some people punished , guys that dont remember you that you will never meet again. From my point of view you are not better than them , you were not trying to stop the whole argument , you wanted to escalate it and get them banned and that is pathetic.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
ok you will bring your "shut up retard " as an example but in my case i never said smth like that , yea i care about winning i like to do it and i get tilted often when my teammates blame me for their mistakes i never say things like you mentioned , but when my team harrassed me i said " man you are 0/8 and you blame me since minute 1 " and this is considered toxic & negative and got me chat restricted , yea its stupid argument in the game that has no point and i knwo it now , but i dont think its justice when people who just tilt are getting perma banned.
: > because my team reported me for multiple things i was chat restricted You only get punished if the reports were valid.
i think there is a diffrence between " fuck you man stop taking my farm " when i said it to my premade friend and it triggered system and things that people post here in their chatlogs. Thats what i meant for reported for performance . System does not take in consideration context. other example i got caht restricted for negative behaviour when i said quote " man just go fucking afk but stop inting " to a 0-15 triple zeal mobi boots pantheon, was it toxic ? no he said he will go afk and i said to him "go afk " there are diffrent "crimes" and they should not be treated equally
Doz (EUW)
: Why is it okay for players to report you for playing the game?
Thats the main problem that i see in this community , not toxicity ( it is here and will be here there is no solution for it so its better to just avoid it ) but how much people care about reports , i can say from my experience on my server about 80% of reports are because of performance , yea they will report you for 1. negative behaviour 2. verbal assult 3. intentionall feeding meanwhile you did nothing wrong you just had bad game . Thats why i think report system is broken because most times i got reported for being toxic was because i missplayed in a game and was harrased and my god how stupid i was because i responded to flaming. Of course system did not triggered on my " intentionall feeding" because i wasnt , but because my team reported me for multiple things i was chat restricted even tho it was just an argument between 2 players. I hope that people will start to care less about whole report system , chat arguments etc and will focus on their game and not blaming each other.
: > i dont need to improve my argument cause everybody knows how it is. If everybody thought about it the same way, you wouldn't have a discussion. You* do *need to improve your attitude if you want to be taken seriously. > but he wasnt toxic. He did not ruin the game for others, he was reported because of his performance and because he made someone mad. He was toxic. That's why the reports triggered the tribunal to punish him. We can talk about which toxic things he said, but I doubt it will be necessary in this discussion. Performance is no reason to be reported and reports for bad performance will be 100% ignored. > negative behaviours like OP's should never be punished with perma bans just with bigger restrictions Players used to get practically infinite chat restrictions in the past. It only lead to expressing their anger in more game breaking ways, such as telling. Players who get another punishment after a 14 days suspension are very unlikely to ever improve their behaviour. That's why they get removed permanently from the community. > You can agree or disagree but if you dont feel for the guy that made this thread you rly have heart made of stone and you may be a great summoner in LOL but a bad human being . He didn't get permabanned because he was easily triggered to be toxic after his father died. He had a big history of toxicity. If he had been toxic for the first time he would only have gotten chat restricted. It would have been a mistake by him to be toxic, although he had his reasons for it, but he would have gotten several chances to prove it only happened due to a tough private situation.
Since when calling people bad is verbally assulting them ? -.- its not like i meant harass him and curse etc. i mean you can be banned for saying "useless mid " 1 time in a game , and yea after smbd makes mistake you should be abke to say it its perfectly fine because everybody makes mistakes , it shouldnt be my problem that some people are insecure about their skill in a video game and get offended by one simple line , im not harrassing you when im saying you made a booosted play , im stating a fact. As you said most countries have laws against racism and homphobia but no country ( or maybe north korea ) have a law that you cant comment on smbds action and rate them if they were good or bad or boosted, there are no laws in the world that forbid you to argue , and yes arguing with assulting anybody is bad , but its not my nor everybody elses problem that some people get offended too easily what i brought as example is perfectly fine in every community in the world and you cant bring more extreme situations to justify your argument , but i did not mention its reasonable to call smbd gay or worse, i mentioned that calling smbd "bad" is considered bannable offence and this is wrong.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: You misunderstand the concept of freedom of speech. Here's a comic from [xkcd](https://xkcd.com) that sums it up: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png Freedom of Speech is not the freedom to verbally abuse.
yea and it works like that in particular cases when you verbally abuse someone and constantly harass meanwhile in this community there is a situation where calling somebody bad , or useless once in a game or sometimes even giving them advice about their build is considered toxic and extremely negative. You should be allowed to tell smbd that he is bad when you are not trying to assult them , and yea nice comic but its still a comic. Fallowing this logic people could ban others from stating their opinion because they were against it, imagine Facebook banning everybody that supported Trump or Clinton from their community..
: I added them because i wanted proof for this thread. I could also send it to Riot Support and they might punish them for their behaviour. Words on the internet from strangers don't hurt me. Losing 5 games on a row isn't a reason to flame. If they can't control themselves they have to work on that because technically you have the rights to insult anyone you want to but it's immature and shouldn't happen because people have feelings although i don't care about words from strangers on the internet some do and that can really ruin their day or overall experience with this community.
"words on the internet from strangers dont hurt me " yet you made this thread on boards reported them in game added them just to have more evidence that they dont like you You are beyond my understanding , this is what this community created , kids that look for a possibility to ban someone else, who even cares . You play the game for the actuall game , yea report them in game and go next. Yet you cared so much that you wasted much time just to punish them. In what world are you living ? People can have diffrent opinions some opinions will be about you , if i cant tell you that i think you are bad , or stupid where is the freedom of speech. i actually dont understand guys like you, you are clearly lying to yourself about how you dont care about others which i pointed above, and you think that people dont have right to dont like you ? or to call you bad ? Yea they verbally assulted you in game , you reported them END OF STORY why dont you just enjoy the next game with good teammates
: > i dont need to improve my argument cause everybody knows how it is. If everybody thought about it the same way, you wouldn't have a discussion. You* do *need to improve your attitude if you want to be taken seriously. > but he wasnt toxic. He did not ruin the game for others, he was reported because of his performance and because he made someone mad. He was toxic. That's why the reports triggered the tribunal to punish him. We can talk about which toxic things he said, but I doubt it will be necessary in this discussion. Performance is no reason to be reported and reports for bad performance will be 100% ignored. > negative behaviours like OP's should never be punished with perma bans just with bigger restrictions Players used to get practically infinite chat restrictions in the past. It only lead to expressing their anger in more game breaking ways, such as telling. Players who get another punishment after a 14 days suspension are very unlikely to ever improve their behaviour. That's why they get removed permanently from the community. > You can agree or disagree but if you dont feel for the guy that made this thread you rly have heart made of stone and you may be a great summoner in LOL but a bad human being . He didn't get permabanned because he was easily triggered to be toxic after his father died. He had a big history of toxicity. If he had been toxic for the first time he would only have gotten chat restricted. It would have been a mistake by him to be toxic, although he had his reasons for it, but he would have gotten several chances to prove it only happened due to a tough private situation.
and yet another guy who tells " he was toxic before " so if you are a known thief you will get punished for murder after you got caught 5 times ? no. What he did was negative he is not even close to level of toxicity that some players show. Any discussion with guys like you has no sense because you will always be biased towards this broken system where people can int for 21 games without ban , tell me that hitler should kill my whole nation without ban. But a guy who report called and responded to harrrasment is banned because he did it few times in a row. I can tell you that OP is real chill because if i was in his situation i would act 100 times more toxic. Is his ban deserved ? no, but because a big part of community want to create Utopia without any negative behaviour which is impossible and we all know it , smth like this above will be banned if done often , and deatthreats ( which are btw a crime in most countries so technically i can make a case in real court vs a guy who wished me death or said he will kill me ) are not punished because smbd does it once in a while Btw we have freedom of speech and everybody should be allowed to call smbd bad if he thinks so. Its normal in real world people have disagreements and fight or argue about them , it is not a crime and it should not be a crime in lol too :)
: > My point is guys like OP should not be punished over others. Who said he was punished OVER others? Punishments are not connected with each other. You get punished for what you do, regardless of what punishments others might get. Everybody is judged by the same system, independently from the other players. If the other players violated the rules as well, they were also judged by the same system and got punishments based on their own previous history and the severity of their behavior, exactly like the OP. > There are real examples of toxicity , guys that wish you death , wish you cancer... Those are not examples for REAL toxicity, they are examples for extreme toxicity. Just because those things exist this doesn't mean other things are not toxic. The OP threatened to troll...no matter how you look at it, that's simply not okay. Don't tell me this behavior is not toxic. It is. Sure, death threats, cancer flame, homophobia, racism and similar stuff are probably worse, but this doesn't make threatening to troll okay. Like I said before: It's not a competition of "who is the worst". Severity is considered for the punishment you get; we've seen instant permabans here on the baords for some really horrible stuff. So don't think it's treated as the same. It's not. > He responded to deaththreats with calling for report, ITS NOTHING ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. As you are well aware (at least if you read the chatlogs or the previous posts) that's not the only thing he did. > . In real world you dont get 25 years in prison for constantly stealing candy and no punishment for first murder. Who says they didn't get a punishment? The only thing you can check is if they got a BAN...only 1% of all punishments are bans. Restrictions make up 99% of all punishments and they are completely invisible from the outside. The reason why the OP belonged to the 1% is that he already got several punishments before and ignored them. > You can agree or disagree but if you dont feel for the guy that made this thread you rly have heart made of stone and you may be a great summoner in LOL but a bad human being . I can assure you that I don't have a heart of stone. But I also invested a lot of time on thinking about the PB systems in LoL and the ethical implications. And the path you are chosing here is a dangerous one. You try to justify bad behavior (and you can't possibly tell me that you think trolling is NOT bad behavior) by looking at the reason why someone did what he did. It's a way of thinking that is very relatable. After all the OP is in a horrible situation and the other persons have been huge jerks, it's very understandable that he reacted this way. But the issue is: If you dig deep enough you can find those reasons for ANY bad behavior in the world. Everyone does everything for a reason and if you just look close enough everyones reasons are understandable. Many psychologist spend their life on trying to find out why serial killers, rapists, war criminals and dictators did what they did. And once you know all the facts those reasons make sense. All those people had reasons, most people in the same situation would have done the same. But this is not the same as justifying it. Understanding/knowing the reasons makes a persons behavior understandable, but it doesn't justify it. It it woud be, absolutely EVERY bad thing in the world would be justified because EVERYTHING has a reason; we live in a deterministic universe. I think it's obvious why I called this way of thinking "dangerous". You can justify everything with this method because everything we do is just the result of external factors, even if we don't know all those factors. So when I say that what the OP did was wrong, I don't say this out of lack of empathy, I say it because it WAS wrong, no matter how much I emphasize with his situation or how much I understand it. I really would like to help the OP, but lying and telling him that it was okay to troll would not help him. Maybe it would make him feel better for a moment, but it would also prevent him from learning from his mistake and he would probably lose his next account aswell, which imo is hardly the definition of "helping him". I hope I was able to explain my position a bit better now and I hope I made it clear that I am genuinely trying to help the OP.
you explained your position pretty good yet i will refuse to agree that simple tilt and negative behaviour towards others like in the example above should get you permabanned. I dont think that calling someone for example "bad " or "bonobo" or "baboon" is so game breaking you need to ban this person from community. Maybe what i call toxicity is in your opinion EXTREME toxicity but i think only this should be banned like it is now and my solution would have been better in this type of situations where smbd just tilts :)
: > if you actually think that people who make death threats ocasionally are better than tilted players you are fucking dumb. Try to watch your language please, you are not improving your argument by insulting me. I would also like to know where exactly I said anything close to what you claim here? I never said that the other players were better. I'm pretty sure they were much worse. But it's not a competition about "Who is the worst?". You either break the rules or you don't, no matter what the others did.
i dont need to improve my argument cause everybody knows how it is. Yea there is a problem of toxicity and it will always be here because there is no solution for it. My point is guys like OP should not be punished over others. Yea he tilted , yea he was midly negative but he wasnt toxic. He did not ruin the game for others, he was reported because of his performance and because he made someone mad. There are real examples of toxicity , guys that wish you death , wish you cancer, make statements that i wrote ^ . They should be a target for the system , not a tilted guy who responds to his team harrasing him . And those constant arguments about " but you did this and that " are irrelevant. He responded to deaththreats with calling for report, ITS NOTHING ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. Yet guess what , guy who made deaththreats and made him literally cry is out there playing and guy who was tilted and upset is banned.... Thats the problem , there is no such thing as justice here. If we compare it to real world crimes , OP did smth like stealing a candy , meanwhile guy who he responded to was like killing smbd . In real world you dont get 25 years in prison for constantly stealing candy and no punishment for first murder. My opinion is that punishment system should be reworked , negative behaviours like OP's should never be punished with perma bans just with bigger restrictions and for example lower IP gains or no IP gains . Real toxic behaviours should be punished with immidiate suspensions and permabans. You can agree or disagree but if you dont feel for the guy that made this thread you rly have heart made of stone and you may be a great summoner in LOL but a bad human being .
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
man i understand how the system works but cmon , i what world are we living where saying " fuck man " multiple times in 10 games is more toxic and punishable than saying smth like the guy above. Im considered a toxic player, i was recently suspended but never did i say smth like that, i dont make deaththreats , i dont int , i dont wish anybody cancer thats what makes me mad , that simple thing like being negative which is mostly tilt and being competetive in the game can get you banned but being so mentally dmgd like this guy who made those statement can see another day. It rly upsets me because i actually thought he will get punished because even with my standards its beyond toxic and im the guy that defends "toxic & negative " guys here ...
Nintenzo (EUW)
: don't show your champion then... HAPPY NEW YEAR 2017!
dont show your champion ---> it gets banned show your champion ----> it gets banned your team did not banned your champ ---> banned by enemy team playing lee in 2k17 will be hard XD
: Again: It doesn't matter why you behaved this way. It's enough that you did.
all you wrote is actuall bs , you're trying hard to justify the ban and not to justify this man. Yea everybody has stories but his story is sad , fuck me if i was in his situation i would tell those guys worse things than him. He was just calling for reports and it got him banned meanwhile guys that made death threats are still playing without punishment because " they did it once not 3 times" if you actually think that people who make death threats ocasionally are better than tilted players ( yea op was tilted he was harrased by others it pretty fucking hard to do nothing especially in his situation ) you are fucking dumb. This system punishes people like him , guys that are midly negative not actuall toxicity ? if there was a choice between playing with OP or a guy who i met 2 days ago who said " only mistake hitler did is that he did not kill your whole nation " who would you choose ? because OP is banned and guy i mentioned is still playing even tho i send a ticket to riot support with screenshots , happily i did not respond to him because simple " fuck you too man " would get me banned. Its not justice when guys like OP get banned over real toxicity which caused his behaviour and you know it. This system sucks and watching another "negative" ( like for real banning people for being negative ?????? nobody cares , it just triggered system but he was reported for his performance not this ) guy getting banned because he was harrased by others is disgusting
: I got permabanned
I feel for you man , it sucks how riot system works , i experienced a guy that literally said " hitler made just one mistake he did not kill your whole nation " , i know that if i said smth to him it would get me banned so i reported him after the game as well as send ticket to riot support guess what he is in game right now thy did nothing. Sadly riot will not care and will not reverse your ban :(
BenPicky (EUW)
: Autofill
man autofill is not that bad , i get autofilled sometimes and i play support or adc but i met many summoners who were willing to take my role when i said " guys i only play ez adc and its banned either smbd can swap me or just pick your best champs and carry me cause i wont be able to do much " and yea they traded or jungler camped me so i will get out of the laning phase faster. i actually never had smbd troll and did not pick support , yea they picked weird shit but it doesnt matter if they build sightstone and try to win and dont steal farm
: New player here.
First of all why the fuck you accepted invite from a guy that flames you ? whats the point ? i actually cant understand ? Logic tells me you actually enjoy being flamed then if you sign in yourself for another dose of toxicity Second of all yea , they were negative during the game you have your right to report them but cmon everybody can get salty , im not defending them but you dont know what their situation was ( maybe they were on 5 games loosing streak and were tilted to oblivion ) most of the times its better to just not respond move forward and play your game , maybe mute them , its better for you and for them because they will stop and focus on the game :)
: 0-10-0 is really bad! It's obvious you didn't even both with helping your team. So you got what was coming. Just don't do it again.
-.- he did 12k dmg 3rd most in his team which is bad but still relevant... its most likely accident that he did not get an assits or he was just farming top whole game ( which is not bannable ) stop defending riot in most obvious case when they fucked up ...
OlmiLux (EUW)
: He didn't flame, so no ban. Meanwhile tryhard players who flame because this kid lost them the promo will get ban.
Rito Logic Kappa . i still laugh when i see summoners who bash on sad kids that got permad for being tilted. its actually fucking hillarious that you can get banned because you care about the game and you will not get banned if you int or soft int ( soft int = not give a shit, play randomly just to not go 0/20 but smth like 4/14/2
: I dont even understand why people do this. 16+ games totaling at least 4 hours of this guys time. Just to upset total strangers on the internet. {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
i'll give you a possivle reason : he got banned on last account and he feels betrayed and he wants to ruin this game for everybody... Case closed. Or he just wants to find out how many times he needs to int to get banned . i would actually do that i bet its over 40
House x33 (EUW)
: You have had a 14 day ban and still type all that negative stuff. Deserved in my eyes
meanwhile i can literally write "kys you fucking ni**er die in hell can*** to your family " and i bet i wont get insta banned. OPs chat logs probe one thing , he isnt toxic , he tries to win and cares about the game but he was tilted .... yea maybe he should mute all and disable chat. but what is the point then . i cant diable it via client i need to change its sice in notepad to remove it... People shouldnt be banned for tilt , or telling people what they do wrong ( even if its negative manner ). Riot should care more about rreal toxicity ( like this above ) inters , afkers etc. guy was just tilted he does not deserve a ban.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
got suspended 5 seconds after game ended i loved how riot support employee tried to convince me that review of my chat logs was made by human XD s
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Maybe you already got punished and failed to reform? This is the case here. OP stated that he had just come back from a 14 day ban for his behaviour. And he's most likely undergone multiple chat restrictions punishments already. This behaviour is far from enough for a direct escalation to a ban, but it's enough if he's gone through the standard punishment tiers without showing signs of reform.
thats the problem , it shouldnt be enough. He is neither toxic nor negative. he is just tilted , he actually says what he needs from his team , he gives them advices. Yea he thinks the game is lost ( game 1 ) how is this toxic, Where the fuck is the Freedom of Speech ? he does not make deathreats he does not int , he does not curse , he just says what others do wrong in his opinion if you think this is permaban worthy everything is. Riot did not give him a chance to reform , they straight up banned him after one wrong game.
KlausX (EUNE)
: Eune Normal Draft Pick
I will give you my advice , play normal only to chill and enjoy the game ( i fill every single game in normal "fill or feed" iw what i type every single time ) and then play ranked , you have 2 ques , treat flex as smurf and solo as normal que and enjoy :)
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