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: The Moment You Loved LoL
Hehe, friend introduced me back when the Nightbringer Yas and Riven skin came out. Played master yi top lane exclusively, he helped out trying to get me hooked and when I finally learnt how to build and optimise AND unlocked smite I couldn't stop playing.
: Troll teams will come on your road, soon you will get banned
Doubt it but hey, think what ya wanna think
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Zanador (EUNE)
: Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code Page 2. >We’ve all had tough games where we fell behind, got camped super hard or missed an easy smite, only to get flamed in chat. Avoid making others feel that same way and report the ones who do. Page 5. >Never forget the excitement you felt when you first set foot on the Rift. Don't mock newbies who are still learning the ropes or urge them to give up on League. Instead offer a hand when they stumble. As the ToS says, this is intentionally left vague, because people tried to use the details as loopholes, but it still clearly states that you should not actively try to make people feel worse than they already do after you scored a kill on them for example. The older versions of the summoners' code were more detailed, so you must have agreed to either this or a more direct version in the past. And your second point, and basically half of your whole post falls flat on facts. Yes, the age restriction, the target audience and the actual player base can be three completely different things, but that does not change anything in legal terms. Just because 95% of the people who goes shopping into a store are adults, does not mean that the store can now suddenly start selling age restricted items without control. In League's case, the average age of the players is well over 20 years old, by the way. If you want things to be changed, then you have to show Riot that their game would be more successful as 18+, and either stop playing for 3 years or ask one of your parent or legal guardian for written permission to play the game in the meanwhile. On to the next point: i never called you a coward. I said that you declared affiliation on your own to a group of people who show a great lack of confidence and a tendency of emotional behavior. Never have i mentioned cowardliness and a lack of masculinity, but it seems like those are the traits you associate to from this description at once. Post by post, you keep digging the hole you are standing in. Finally: yes, cheating is cheating, and it falls into a different category without question. I just wanted to see if you at least agreed on the extreme boundaries. Now, if we could only agree that players should be following the written rules, then this conversation would be over. You see, you are still making a slight mistake: Traditional sports can be played in different settings: you can play football with your friends on a field, on a small field, or with another random group of people, as part of an official team and in a tournament setting, just to name a few. While the technical rules of the game are still the same, the additional rules are different in each setting. For example when you play with friends, you might not play in teams of 11, for 2x45 minutes and you are free to say to each other whatever you want. But there are obvious differences when you play in an official FIFA game, for example, the team size and the game length is obviously set. The same would be true in League too. If you could start a private LoL server, then obviously, tilting and even flaming could be allowed. But as it is, League can only be played on Riot's servers, so even tho the mechanics of the game don't stop you from flaming or verbally tilting the other players, Riot can still say that it is cheating to do so. And they did. My previous statements still stand.
> [{quoted}](name=Zanador,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ypxAnlAb,comment-id=00050002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T01:53:12.041+0000) It seems that you don't understand the term implicit. When you say that someone is lacking in confidence obviously with the intent to insult then you are implicitly stating that said people are spineless and cowardly, words aren't just black and white they have different meanings to them which you seem to not understand given the context they are used in. But, if you didn't mean anything of that sort then I guess I'm wrong but, I would think that both of us have some prejudices against one another (as we're having an argument) and may think that words have ulterior meanings than to what the person is actually saying. 2, I'm not saying that the younger audience should be restricted to certain things that the older audience has, maybe my wording wasn't as good as it could've been so I apologise. Let's go back to my example of myself having a game which is 12+yrs and a large demographic of players are 20+yrs so I can explain it a bit better. Let's say I don't make a rule which states that someone has to do something like they don't have to have a responsible username for example. If the 20+yrs players are using inappropriate usernames it doesn't matter because there's nothing in place to stop that. Just because a child is playing it doesn't mean they will have to change the way they do/play things to make it a more comfortable environment for them, sure they can but, they don't have to if they don't wish to. You're yet again forgetting the + in 12+, yes 12 year olds can play it but so can 65 year olds. You say we have a responsibility to keep the game child friendly but that could be used in any manner saying "Oh yeah you have to make this friendly for the elderly players, 65+." it's stupid and you don't seem to grasp that just because it has a young age rating doesn't mean that all other players are lesser than them and have to make it their safe haven. And also the thing about 95% of customers going into a store are adults and having restricted things for kids is %%%%ing stupid because there is a multitude of things that children can't purchase in which adults can. You're also trying to twist the rules like you accuse other people of doing. If Riot saw saying "ez" after a kill as flame then surely this thread wouldn't have had been opened right? And also I'm pretty sure one of Draven's voice lines is "Too easy". If Riot is going to use it in their game why can't we? They obviously don't see it as flame so why should we be exempt from using it because some people get sad over it? All in all you're arguing on the side which seems like they're in the right but, it's just plain silly. And also you keep saying I'm digging a hole yet you just keep on coming back with silly little statements which in reality bare no actual argument at all. Have a good one mate. {{sticker:katarina-love}}
Zanador (EUNE)
: Even if you are 15 the questions still stand. You try to deflect them, but you joined this conversation on your own and you have taken your own position, so you should be able to back it up when you are questioned about it. You personally might not be an adult, but like it or not, you are currently siding with adults who do say nastier things to young opponents. If you just give blanket statements, then you are also covering for them. But yes, i took psychological warfare with a grain of salt, i know that you didn't mean it in a combative environment, but that will also contradict your post later on, so calling you out on it was the correct move. Also it seems like you didn't take "emotionally abuse" with a grain of salt either. I never talked about those who tell others to commit suicide, but manipulation someone's emotions purely for your own benefit is abuse, whether you like it or not. Especially if the playing field is not even, like in my example, the offensive side is several years older. And there is a difference between winning and winning. Over ten years ago in another game i had a friend who used to hack his opponents' computers and crash them out of the game during important matches. Would you, as a sportsman yourself call that a good way of winning? Would you call bribing the judge a legit way? You bring up the "everything is allowed in love and war" argument, but this is neither love, nor war. This is a game or a sport and not everything is fine. I have absolutely no problem with tilting an opponent by camping him and ruining his stats. That is a fine strategy. But the moment you feel the need to increase the effect by using chat, emotes or anything else, you reveal a weakness inside yourself that you don't want to admit. And i never tried to emasculate you. You tried to do that to others, and i just said that from my point of view, your idea about some other people fit you perfectly. This fact still stands. I never questioned your masculinity, it was you. And in the next part you didn't hear yourself saying the key words: you play for a men's division in volleyball, and you joined in knowing that you are younger than the others. This means that you joined in a 16+ or 18+ game (sport), legally accepting that you will be treated as a member of that age group. You joined League, knowing that this game is 12+, meaning that legally both Riot and you have an obligation to keeping this game suitable for a young audience. Of course you won't get treated any differently by your team, especially by your opponents in volleyball. You must have signed a legal contract too, accepting everything that comes with the position. And just the same way, you signed a contract with Riot too, but the terms here are different. Essentially until you become a part of a pro team in LoL, you are legally playing in the children's division here. But i'll admit that i'm not up to date on the definitions of every politicized derogatory term. Last i've checked "snowflake" was simply about people who are not strong enough to handle reality. This apparently changed a bit in the meanwhile. Still, you talk about not asking for and not giving special treatment, but this game's rules have been in place long before you started playing. So you joined a game with existing rules, you refuse to follow them, and then you tell others that they should give you special treatment, by ignoring you or leaving you alone if they don't like your special characteristic, namely the way you treat people. By the definition you provided, you are indeed a snowflake. Have a nice day.
> [{quoted}](name=Zanador,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ypxAnlAb,comment-id=000500020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-20T23:02:21.180+0000) > > Even if you are 15 the questions still stand. You try to deflect them, but you joined this conversation on your own and you have taken your own position, so you should be able to back it up when you are questioned about it. You personally might not be an adult, but like it or not, you are currently siding with adults who do say nastier things to young opponents. If you just give blanket statements, then you are also covering for them. > > But yes, i took psychological warfare with a grain of salt, i know that you didn't mean it in a combative environment, but that will also contradict your post later on, so calling you out on it was the correct move. Also it seems like you didn't take "emotionally abuse" with a grain of salt either. I never talked about those who tell others to commit suicide, but manipulation someone's emotions purely for your own benefit is abuse, whether you like it or not. Especially if the playing field is not even, like in my example, the offensive side is several years older. > > And there is a difference between winning and winning. Over ten years ago in another game i had a friend who used to hack his opponents' computers and crash them out of the game during important matches. Would you, as a sportsman yourself call that a good way of winning? Would you call bribing the judge a legit way? You bring up the "everything is allowed in love and war" argument, but this is neither love, nor war. This is a game or a sport and not everything is fine. I have absolutely no problem with tilting an opponent by camping him and ruining his stats. That is a fine strategy. But the moment you feel the need to increase the effect by using chat, emotes or anything else, you reveal a weakness inside yourself that you don't want to admit. > > And i never tried to emasculate you. You tried to do that to others, and i just said that from my point of view, your idea about some other people fit you perfectly. This fact still stands. I never questioned your masculinity, it was you. > > And in the next part you didn't hear yourself saying the key words: you play for a men's division in volleyball, and you joined in knowing that you are younger than the others. This means that you joined in a 16+ or 18+ game (sport), legally accepting that you will be treated as a member of that age group. You joined League, knowing that this game is 12+, meaning that legally both Riot and you have an obligation to keeping this game suitable for a young audience. > Of course you won't get treated any differently by your team, especially by your opponents in volleyball. You must have signed a legal contract too, accepting everything that comes with the position. And just the same way, you signed a contract with Riot too, but the terms here are different. Essentially until you become a part of a pro team in LoL, you are legally playing in the children's division here. > > But i'll admit that i'm not up to date on the definitions of every politicized derogatory term. Last i've checked "snowflake" was simply about people who are not strong enough to handle reality. This apparently changed a bit in the meanwhile. Still, you talk about not asking for and not giving special treatment, but this game's rules have been in place long before you started playing. So you joined a game with existing rules, you refuse to follow them, and then you tell others that they should give you special treatment, by ignoring you or leaving you alone if they don't like your special characteristic, namely the way you treat people. By the definition you provided, you are indeed a snowflake. > > Have a nice day. I don't really see any existing rule stating that you can't tilt other players, hence the whole thing on why "ez" should be a punishable term as it's not punishable in the first place so to say that I'm refusing to follow rules is false. 2, I have no legal obligation to make this a child friendly game, sure the age rating may be a 12+ due to the contents of the game but the fan base is a whole other thing. The point you bring up about me acknowledging that I'll be playing with people older than myself is true yes but, when the target demographic for league is generally older than younger players and they should know what they are signing up for, if they are unable to cope with someone calling them bad then they are clearly unfit for the competitive environment which surrounds League. If I make a video game suitable for children (let's use 12+yrs) but all the players playing it are 20+yrs yeah children can play it but, if I don't have a rule in place which disallows you to say something (like ez isn't punishable hence I'm able to use it even towards younger players) then there is no stopping the 20+yrs players from saying that stuff as they don't have to pander to the whims and wants of the younger players. You say you didn't try to emasculate me yet you were trying to say that due to certain tactics I put into place I am cowardly and lack confidence, there's no denying that so don't try and say that I questioned my own masculinity. You also seem to think that just because I think tilting is a viable tactic I also think that cheating is a viable tactic. A win is a win but, we aren't talking about people who cheat. If I tilt someone I didn't do that through giving myself an upper hand through the use of external programs I did it completely fair and square just like the enemy could have done. So, please don't try and use cheating as a means to get your point across as we both know that cheating is the exception to the win is a win attitude, you were just pulling at straws and it's quite pathetic to have to explain that cheating isn't tolerated in anything. And it's true I didn't take the "emotional abuse" with a grain of salt because it's usually expected of the side in favour of banning something to use extreme terms to try and shame/demonise their opponent so, I'll apologise on that front.
Zanador (EUNE)
: If someone is an a&hole to you, then don't be respectful towards him. Nobody is telling you to be. But that a&hole has 4 teammates, who probably have done nothing bad aside from having an a&hole random teammate. If nobody should be respected who had an idiot teammate, then nobody in this game should ever be respected. Not even you. And i'll admit that i didn't check the video you linked now, but by the thumbnail, i can see that it is about adult men in a competitive sport, and more than likely, they have met a couple of times during their career. Not respecting someone in that setting is still an immature move, but your example brings us to a topic that i often mention in these threads: Please scroll down to the bottom of this page and look into the right corner. You will see a 12+ rating written there. Now let me ask you these: do you think that an adult should be allowed to emotionally abuse a 12 year old child in order to get an advantage? Have you ever made sure when you deployed your psychological tactics that your opponent was not a child? Do you think that a 12 year old child is just a snowflake who should grow up and be able to take anything an adult can? Or did this all just never occur to you? From another point of view, even among healthy adult men, if you feel the need to use disrespect as a tool to win, then you show an ingrained lack of confidence and a deeply emotional behavior. After all, if you are confident and skilled, then you have no reason to think that you won't win normally. You call people snowflakes, when the term describes you better than most.
> [{quoted}](name=Zanador,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ypxAnlAb,comment-id=0005000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-20T16:58:06.577+0000) > > If someone is an a&hole to you, then don't be respectful towards him. Nobody is telling you to be. But that a&hole has 4 teammates, who probably have done nothing bad aside from having an a&hole random teammate. If nobody should be respected who had an idiot teammate, then nobody in this game should ever be respected. Not even you. > > And i'll admit that i didn't check the video you linked now, but by the thumbnail, i can see that it is about adult men in a competitive sport, and more than likely, they have met a couple of times during their career. Not respecting someone in that setting is still an immature move, but your example brings us to a topic that i often mention in these threads: > > Please scroll down to the bottom of this page and look into the right corner. You will see a 12+ rating written there. Now let me ask you these: do you think that an adult should be allowed to emotionally abuse a 12 year old child in order to get an advantage? Have you ever made sure when you deployed your psychological tactics that your opponent was not a child? Do you think that a 12 year old child is just a snowflake who should grow up and be able to take anything an adult can? > > Or did this all just never occur to you? > > From another point of view, even among healthy adult men, if you feel the need to use disrespect as a tool to win, then you show an ingrained lack of confidence and a deeply emotional behavior. After all, if you are confident and skilled, then you have no reason to think that you won't win normally. You call people snowflakes, when the term describes you better than most. For one, I'm no man. I'm 15 years old so age isn't a concern to me. It also seems that you didn't take "Psychological warfare" with a grain of salt. I'm not actively bombarding them with insults and toxicity, a simple "ez" or "?" is enough to tilt someone. You say "emotionally abuse" like people are telling them to kill themselves but, surprise surprise, they're not. They are merely saying something to annoy an opposing player, so they increase their chances of winning. You also bring up the point that using tilt isn't a way of winning "normally". There is no such thing as a normal way of winning, if you win then you did something which resulted in that win be it through superior micro or macro (in video games). You're also trying to emasculate me which you didn't do very well as saying that using something to your disposal is cowardly. If you are in a life and death situation and you had the chance to have a knife and your opponent doesn't then you're going to take the knife. It seems a bit extreme but it all comes back to the point of winning, winning in different ways doesn't show that someone has a lack of confidence or that someone has a lot of confidence. It just separates the people who can use different methods to win games. Also if a 12 year old is playing this game then that doesn't mean I need to pander to every need for the younger players of this game it's a 12+. +. That underage player should know that in this game being called bad or being tilted is the norm just like most games and if they don't like nor want that then they shouldn't play. I play for a men's division in volleyball, just because I'm younger than the rest of the players there do you expect that they'll change their method of winning just because I'm there? %%%% no, they want to win because it's competitive, just like video games. Also, I think you don't understand the term "snowflake". "a person with supposedly unique characteristics or attributes that entitle them to privileged treatment or particular consideration." I'm not going to give anyone special treatment because they get sad or because they're younger, I'm just going to play the game like I've always done like the rest of the players not wishing for the game we enjoy playing to become a policed safe zone for the less confident players. And guess what lol, just mute me or turn off chat if I'm annoying you, it's not hard. After the game if I type in the after match box then report whoever you want or add whoever and leave, without even looking at my messages - it's not hard.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > It will be the fear of dumb system with banhammer, not respect. So be it, if some people are so stupid that they think they shouldn't respect anyone unless they earn it.
> [{quoted}](name=Trias000,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ypxAnlAb,comment-id=00050002,timestamp=2018-12-19T10:36:23.744+0000) > > So be it, if some people are so stupid that they think they shouldn't respect anyone unless they earn it. Surely if someone on the enemy team has been a %%%% to me the whole game then I won't show them any respect. I know there's being the bigger man but, if you are shown no respect why should you show respect to that individual? I was a pretty toxic guy, I'll admit it. I still sometimes lose my cool but, I don't see the term "ez" as disrespectful. Loads of people here are saying that league is a sport, yes some people make a living off of league and play it professionally but I think if you asked every single person who has played league if they think it's a game or a sport a large majority would say it's a game. We play games to have fun and win (like sports) but, unlike in sports we don't need all the courtesies that surround it because we're purely playing a video game. Also tilting is a great way to win games, there has been multiple times when I've camped a lane and said something like "?" or "lol, thanks" and then guess what the enemy starts to tilt, becomes argumentative - especially with his team and ends up losing the game. Psychological warfare my seem like a strong term to use when we're talking about a video game but that is what it is. https://youtu.be/afpoErNGRsc This video is a prime example of using words to mess someone up and ultimately winning the game, if you are all childish and petty enough to get offended over the word "ez" and your fragile ego got shattered because you tried your heart out then you should stop playing competitive games. I ain't gunna sit here and let this game become even more restrictive because we have a few snowflakes in the community. Grow up.
Nojima (EUNE)
: as to u mister,u are silver 2,it seems u have failed to climb to gold5,are u new to the game?,cuz itd a long road ahead of u dude,not ur attitude,ur knowlege and skill..
I started when the new Yasuo and Riven skin came out. I climbed from silver 5 to 2 and that's when I got my 2 14 day bans so I stopped playing ranked as there was no need to rank up and get nothing out of it
CJXander (EUNE)
: For players like yourself, what's the point into getting rewards if you're going to be banned anyway due toxic behaviour?
Did you read anything? I've stopped flaming because getting my acc banned is shit and I've been monitoring my behaviour well.
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