Hansiman (EUNE)
: Comparing CS:GO to LoL is still not correct, even if they are team based games. They are still completely different in their very core, making matching different in itself. But even here: if you aren't good in this game, you aren't going to climb. You are constantly matched up with players equal to your own current skill, like it or not. If you want to climb, you need to improve and be better than the ones you are matched up with, since that is enough to keep climbing the ladder. The system will always try to match you up with equals, since that will provide you with the better balance.
With equals? That was SoloQ and SoloQ is dead. They are 2 team based games i don't find that too different. They just have a SoloQ spice like league had and i think thats as accurate as it can be. You are good you will rank up here even if you are good you can still get trolled, Also Boosted people in Cs Go get deranked so fast to the elo they belong. Cs Go has a better solo ranked experience while League has a better "premade" experience so far.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: This game was always developed with the intent of it being a team game, not a solo game. However, if you're truly better than everyone you are matched up with, you alone are enough of a force to secure the victory for your team more than 50% of the time. As long as your win-rate is over 50%, you are climbing. Nobody wins 100% of the time.
I don't want to compare this with cs go but here we go , there you can't climb if you are not good even if you have a monster win streak and its also a team based game . I call that balance. I think that's better because you climb only if you get better, here you can't climb even if you get better.
Goodnigut (EUW)
: Life ain't fair either but who's got time to complain about it?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Unranked players start out with MMR equal to those with silver MMR. That's because the average person that starts out in ranked actually has that skill level as their average. If you want to look purely at ranks, unranked = silver. However, matchmaking ignores rankings completely, since that would create terribly unbalanced games pretty much every time. Matchmaking focuses on a hidden number called 'MMR', (matchmaking rating). Your MMR is what decides what players you are matched up with and against, and both teams will have a pretty even distrobution of players based on their MMR so that the statistical chance of winning is the same for both teams. Note that MMR is actually a hidden number that is calculated based on a formula only Riot knows. It's a trade secret since other companies try to simulate their own matchmaking system. Any site that offers to tell you your MMR aren't going to be accurate, they simply guess based on their own formulas. In that sense, I prefer Lolking's version, since they don't falsely call it MMR, they call it 'Lolking Score'. A silver player may have high MMR for his average ranking, but not enough time to actually play enough to climb the ladder. Platinum V is a higher ranking than both silver, and gold, obviously, but the MMR difference won't actually be much higher than that of those in high gold.
I know what mmr is but you are right. This matchmaking system is so unfair. In this season you can't carry alone so even if you are good every game you can't climb if you don't win and this season is so team based that 1 player can throw a game so easy. Makes it harder for players to climb alone.
Doomley (EUW)
: I also checked players in your matches for their mmr and they were all about 300 mmr lower than you so op.gg is lying about your mmr. You are playing with the correct players. Those silver can be premade with gold players so that might be the reason they are in your game. They can also be last season gold/plat players.
Dude leave op.gg alone i just said that i got a silver even when i had 20LP per win , i was like in plat 3 when this started. I don't think that plat 3 can have such a lower mmr to get a player who does not even know the basic stuff. What you see now is the outcome or one month like this. Sometimes i get with plats and sometimes i get a team like this. Sorry if i sound salty i am just tired of losing games where i struggle to keep my team from not throwing the game.
Doomley (EUW)
: The mmr from op.gg is definitely wrong in your case. You play with and against gold players in every one of your games. Also with your win rate, that mmr is just not possible.
Yeah but as i said in the comments i got a silver even when i had 60%+ win rate. I don't think my mmr can be that bad to get silvers in my team. I remember that this started like 2 weeks ago when i would get like 20lp per game. Now i barely get 17-18
BlâckLotus (EUNE)
: you get matched with lower rank players on both your team and the enemy team because yuour winratio is lower than 50%.
I started to drop the moment i started to get this kind of team comps , i got low golds and even silver even when i had 60% win rate. I don't mind to lose to a better team , outplays and stuff like that but i get players who don't even know the basic stuff , they are just gold for the enemy.
Goodnigut (EUW)
: It had to balance the mmr of the other team. Thus why you got unranked and silver, even though this shouldn't be possible in a ranked game. In normal it's doable. I played against Diamond 1 with a team of under lvl 30 once...
But is ranked and its not the first time ...
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Unintended (EUNE)
: i agree it's insanely hard to climb solo as support, since most likely you can't do that if your adc is terrible or worse. but it's still doable, managed to get to plat this season, while i started as bronze :) drop me invitation if you want tho :)
Loonsta (EUW)
: quit the game problem solved.
: I too have suffered from those games in plat before but in my opinion, if you play better than the elo you are in, eventually you will climb Elo hell is a myth and probably only found in Diamond + games where some troll for a living.. GL with climbing :)
Thank you dude i climbed but got knocked down again and again and again, i had like 1900 mmr the past days and know I struggle to not get demoted to gold 1 now ... its the 7th derank to plat 5 i get this last months DQ feels nothing like SoloQ , i don't think you can play ranked solo anymore. I know it may sound like a cry or being salty , maybe i am but i am more disappointed than the other 2. Anyway thank you for tip. Will tryharder xD
Rioter Comments
: Its not about Premades, its his Normal MMR..regardless of division some people play more Normals then ranked. And with a High winrate as resul they group with higher divisions.
so you can change your mmr even is you play normals? Thats not a ranked thing only?
Strigina (EUNE)
: Sometimes I queue with my S3 friend and we get platina in our team too. That's how it happens.
So it's not just me. I keep hearing stories like this
kauketsu (EUW)
: Ranks doesnt matter, because you are matched up against same combined ratin as your enemy is.
Does not seem that way. Maybe only on board. But when the game starts you can see that that's not true.
: welcome to elo hell buddy(or its just premade party)
> [{quoted}](name=Aftershine,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ymcoPXmF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-12T03:05:44.890+0000) > > welcome to elo hell buddy(or its just premade party) They were not premade, tihis is happens like all the time not just in that game. How elo hell can it be to play with a silver 5 as a plat ...
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