Shiwah (EUW)
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Good day Shiwah, so these are the last logs. If you could, can you please read them? I get banned for chats like this most of the time, its why i complain so much. Literally only wanted to help people or just to have fun alongside them. There is 0 flame in there, just good ol regular smacktalk or "flame." If you do read it, could you please explain to me what exactly there was bannable from 1 riots standpoint and 2 from a human standpoint. Because i do not see any way this is bannable. Though i do agree that the ones i have gotten banned in i could have been a bit lighter, there really never has been outright nonsensical flame with me, ever, besides that one time i mentioned, may that karthus have luck in his life. (this is 99% all chat) Game 1 Kinslet: mmmmm Kinslet: mmmmm Kinslet: ty Kinslet: ty Kinslet: :D Kinslet: umadbroyolo? Kinslet: mana item lol Kinslet: lulu wtf Kinslet: *oh lol u got hsit adc Kinslet: nvm Kinslet: gj Kinslet: wtf Kinslet: twitch top Kinslet: ok i rep lulu Kinslet: but Kinslet: i will also rep you then Kinslet: flamer blamer :D Kinslet: kaisa, op r Kinslet: stop being in top Kinslet: ffs Kinslet: this is a max 2 people lane Kinslet: but i wanna farm!!!! Kinslet: hi riven Kinslet: how u doing Kinslet: getting bot turr i see Kinslet: well Kinslet: ffs someone stop riven Kinslet: riven stop this spliting Kinslet: ffs Kinslet: guys stfu Kinslet: fiddle is ok Kinslet: srsly stfu cait Kinslet: shut Kinslet: the %%%% Kinslet: up Kinslet: shut Kinslet: the Kinslet: fuc(k Kinslet: rpeort caitlin Kinslet: flame Kinslet: ty Kinslet: riot kills it Kinslet: banning all the normal people Kinslet: xd Kinslet: nah flame makes it good Kinslet: :D Kinslet: karma stfu Kinslet: lol Kinslet: xD Kinslet: when the "yasu main" in top dosent flame Kinslet: caitlin, im gonna mute you now Kinslet: stop talking, srsly Kinslet: im not better than anybody Kinslet: im shit Kinslet: flames and now trolls Kinslet: amazing... Kinslet: starts flame, starts troll Kinslet: %%%%ing moron Kinslet: nah muted for real now Kinslet: hey lulu, sry u got team like that Kinslet: xd Kinslet: srsly guys, lulu is doing her best and all you do is flame and feed Kinslet: especially you karma Kinslet: nah she wont get carried Kinslet: we cant win 4v5 Kinslet: guys mute cair Kinslet: srsly Kinslet: mute cait, go Kinslet: what now cait -_- Kinslet: not unmuting you Kinslet: yea we cant 4v5 Kinslet: i mean im gonna go adk now i think Kinslet: no point in 4v5 Kinslet: 'yeah ima go afk, cya all Kinslet: wait, cait isnt afking? Kinslet: wtf Kinslet: i feed, i int Kinslet: as soon as someone trolls Kinslet: no Kinslet: dw, im here for u Kinslet: r + shield Kinslet: LULU, do you have all muted or what? Kinslet: not a single word in all xd Kinslet: OOOM Kinslet: i can solo elder Kinslet: ggwp Kinslet: END Kinslet: ALL MID Kinslet: ggwp Kinslet: gj all Kinslet: report all of you Kinslet: for flaming lulu Game 2 Kinslet: camille, op.gg, good site for builds and runes Kinslet: ziggz, lux, op.gg, good site for runes Kinslet: op.gg, its op Kinslet: i am yasu player? :DDDD Kinslet: lol Kinslet: azir onetrick Kinslet: camille has had 7 chances to kill me Kinslet: xd Kinslet: y? Kinslet: how doe Kinslet: is gone Kinslet: :D Kinslet: ? Kinslet: ziggz you mofo got aerie :D Kinslet: you go there Kinslet: :D Kinslet: like, oyud be 5/0 with comet Kinslet: but then you bring aerie ._. Kinslet: obvious Kinslet: dmg Kinslet: nah ima start taking ignite top as well xd this is 2 unhonorable to not take Kinslet: heca? Kinslet: you pinged you coming Kinslet: where the fk did u go Kinslet: wtf man Kinslet: heca is new xd Kinslet: dont rep him Kinslet: yeah Kinslet: no shit Kinslet: you pinged u come Kinslet: i go in Kinslet: you dont come Kinslet: go into bush Kinslet: 2 wait Kinslet: no Kinslet: -_- Kinslet: whaaaaa? :D Kinslet: stfu u lil sh1t Kinslet: :D Kinslet: no but heca srsly Kinslet: do not fking ping Kinslet: if you dont come Kinslet: %%%%% Kinslet: you got ignite Kinslet: :D Kinslet: i dont Kinslet: exactly Kinslet: dont brag where skill has not been shown :D Kinslet: we all know it to not be true Kinslet: i am better than this camille Kinslet: ez Kinslet: he has ignite Kinslet: and not this heca xd Kinslet: lets be real here, i almost won camille Kinslet: while u fed Kinslet: xd Kinslet: ignite save you time and time again Kinslet: mf stfu Kinslet: srsly Kinslet: shut the fu(k up Kinslet: lol Kinslet: ewwww Kinslet: dont surr Kinslet: no but guys pls dont report heca xd he gets 2 much hatew from corki Kinslet: xd Kinslet: m88 you sleepy :D tis all i got 2 say Kinslet: like, small mistakes Kinslet: you know+ Kinslet: ? Kinslet: i know xd Kinslet: is sad Kinslet: well you did fail an invade Kinslet: :D Kinslet: ggwp xd Kinslet: no but this camille is noob, just fed Kinslet: xd i rly wish they nerfed ignite back to how it was Kinslet: he missed 2 powered q's Kinslet: that fight Kinslet: ggwp :D Kinslet: corki stfu already xd Kinslet: btw camille Kinslet: op.gg Kinslet: good runes Kinslet: arcane comet is the way to go these days Kinslet: camille dosent really pop the 3 hits. you take 3 hits to get the dmg done Kinslet: after that your keystone is kinda meh Kinslet: then go conqurer Kinslet: :) Kinslet: ziggz, go watch replay Kinslet: i was damned near perfect Kinslet: ignite got me every time Kinslet: yeah, stfu ziggz Kinslet: youre looking dumb Kinslet: m8, my iq is going down w u Kinslet: a lot down Kinslet: cam we rep ziggz? Kinslet: seems like a flamer Kinslet: can Kinslet: ziggz, do you srsly have no ability to hold an intellectual conversation Kinslet: like, im 100% trying to help all of you Kinslet: srsly Kinslet: i wish only for the best Kinslet: why? :D Kinslet: were all good people, no? Kinslet: gg I don't claim to be a good person, but i sure as hell never flame or do ban worthy stuff. Respect, honour and common sense; that is what i value.
Shiwah (EUW)
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The boarda are bugged on phone or smth so if this is a double post, please excuse me. Ah no the hang was in csgo, id never dare do it in league :) but you said id be a bad parent, its quite weakening, although i can't say i would be a good one. Its one of ny greatest fears actually, will i be a good parent. Or a good person in general. It really did feel like a kick in the nuts. But when i tell someone to go hang im its not a personal insult, its the general" flame," but go as far as to break down someones psychy, no, never. This is killing me inside, i really wanted to leave the forum a few hours ago but, i cant, i need to make an arse of myself to prove the point. Also, i am a somewhat atheist, yet its still good to pray for someone :) positive energy n all that. But the forums do change people, i was once a forummaster, boostmaster. Over the time i saw it happen to myself, my clanmates, the mods and worst of all, the devs (not this game) the way you called me a bad parent showed me a glimpse of it on you, it made me see me in a few years past. While indeed fun, it drains you, bit by bit, more than the internet normally would. Anyway, look, i know im an arse, please don't take anything personally, you do seem like a great person :) its mostly that i forget theres a person behind that name and not riot the company. I think ive said it all now, belive me i honestly am innocent in this, always have been. (we do not talk about the one time i was guilty. Its a secret and its the only thing ive ever seriously regreted in life, never a reason to just flame, never a reason to lash out on someone for absolutely nothing. What i did on that day even god cant forgove (still an atheist)) While getting my account banned will keep me awake for the next few days, im kinda happy even, maybe i can leave this curse behind for a week. For real this time :) goodbye and good night, it really is extremely fun for me to discuss over long and drawn out matters, even though i really have been getting nothing but scrwed by the system, a good debate is always a welcome sight. Or even a good ping pong like this one was.
Shiwah (EUW)
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So im in bed and i got the really last thing to say. I can copy the logs i remember, got a ticket open lol xd i can do so in the morn, if you're looking for something to do, not like support is going to unban me ever, seeing as theyve never done so after innocence has been proven after countless times. If theres one thing that I know about you southern europeans is that you get heated really quickly, im willing to overlook what you said, but i would like some help with the ban, these really are bs. I want to make this game better, its a good game, but riot dosent listen to the community on this matter. Its the one thing that will kill league. Let me help riot, send them my knowledge, please! From the posts, from the comments, everywhere! I know that there is some part of you that belives the truth about the bans.
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kinslet,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wRQA9fme,comment-id=0004000100000001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-10T19:32:49.318+0000) > > So you dont cuss, scream or call people %%%%tards when you play basketball with your friends? Yes, yes, and no. And also the key words here are "***with your friends***". I could call my friends idiots or %%%%%%s, but we are friends, we know each other, we have some familiarity with each other. If I was playing with a complete stranger ? No, I would not be so familiar or disrespectful towards him/her. Simple.
Everybody is my friend when i play :) only after something happens they arent.
Shiwah (EUW)
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Ppppps. about the chat logs, cant give chat logs when uninstalled. If you dont belive me now, you wont belive me when i show them. Thats human nature im afraid : / I sincerely do hope you find a new calling in life, rotting on the forums is no way to go. (Look, i do seriously want to make things very clear to you, but i just dont know how, i just dont, as i said, if so many complain, surely there must be truth in it.) If you can, in any way shape or form get my email from riot, i would love to hear your personal viewpoint on a lot of things, unless it really is just "no flame ever no matter what" in witch case, youve undone yourself in these posts im afraid :l
Shiwah (EUW)
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(last thing) Seriously, if youre gonna talk worse than i do on the forums than i do in the game, how the hell are you a moderator and I, banned?
Shiwah (EUW)
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You were better once, i think the forums changed you. This is all from DongHuaps stream, and man, you wont find a more refined discussion out there on league, with only 300 people watching and all discussing about bans ( i started the topic, nobody, literally nobody has agreed with riots abosoloute 0 policy and many have stated how the bans are out of tune). Ps, i am not cherrypicking, this is how it goes, nobody on riots side. The moderator is neutral(ish) and said that unfortunately your "summ code" tolerates no flame, but yet there are the emotes you released :) This is the last time ill be on the forum, last last time (maybe ill make 1 more post in the future). It honestly has been great fun chatting with you, and please, can you get my ban lifted? xd I honestly would like to show you the logs i got banned for, it proves my point perfecly, allthough i think i took over this post too much as it is already xD (come to the stream if youre interested in them, we'll work something out ey? Here are some quotes that i belive illustrate my point, and it helps since i didnt say em :D Acnologia: (this ones a girl) "​Yes, its human nature, and often fun to just let go of emotions to blow off steam. Its not right to get banned for that" "Toxic flame is a big part of LoL community. Sometimes flaming can be such a fun past time to watch unfold" Rayaqin​: "they have to do that because they dont have the manpower to handle each individual case and they dont want trials n shit." - this where the biggest issue lies, the bot is just %%%%%%ed. Johan Souza "​@Rayaqin dude one of the games i got banned for was me flaming a guy on my team for playing drunk and saying he could barely move" "@Rayaqin so i told him to stop being a %%%%ing loser and making everyone lose because of his depressed life.." (how is this bannable? How is telling someone hes a loser with a %%%%ed up life bannable? ITS THE INTERNET! Literally nobody besides you at riot care.)" I can go on, but all of my efforts over the years have been in vain thus far, so whats the point. Old people just dont understand normal people :l everybody flames in the game, its just normal. I hoped youd be more willing, alas i see not. Thank you for making me understand that riot really dosent care about us, even after spending good money. The way you have talked here (i screenshotted everything) is exactly what im talking about, THIS IS NORMAL TALK NOT BANNABLE FLAME! But this is what i get banned for, well actually i never go as far as you just did. What you just did is, inhuman. Maybe you can find peace in life my friend =( i will light a candle in my heart for you, in good hopes. (this is really tearing me up, as in tear in eye, its really sad. The support staff lie and youve just talked worse than i do in chat...) "Besides, it's been scientifically proven that "educating" people by beating and insulting them gets the completely opposite effect, so, good luck to you in case you decide to become a parent..." just wow... i cant even... you are calling me a flamer here, but i never, flame. Only when someone trolls as ive said many times. (Cmon, we had many discussions about this! How can you be so heartless, you know my case!) You say im a bad human being essentially... it makes me sad to see the lack of humanity. Farewell my friend, i hope you find peace and meaning in life. I honestly thaught you were almost a good forum buddy even :( ps. Dont EVER go full moderator, moderator.
Shiwah (EUW)
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Oooof "Few thousands people in a 100m playerbase are a drop in the ocean." Thats gonna leave a mark. Untill here i honestly wished you the best, but now... you have shown the colours of riot =( bye.
Shiwah (EUW)
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I came back to make another point xd but, i have not heard that, thus i MUST apologize to you. I thought mods were on a payroll. But yeah, dunkey, that guy :) that was completely normal flame, wouldnt ban for flame tbh. Also, Tyler1, also a really normal person and did not deserve a ban. Ps now i shall withold my point. I thank you on behlaf of the comminity for being a voulenteer on these forums xD RIP your sanity. But yeah, if this is how riot will be, then it cannot exist in the world of gaming. Every day, bit by bit, i see how the game dies, every update dragging it deeper do its demize, every ban losing 2-3 players with it. It brings a tear to my eye. I honestly hope you can see the light one day, the line where bannable flame starts, as for all of riot. (i literally just had a great game of csgo, one time you brought up something like fairplay or trueplay or some bullshit. We all sweared, a lot, especially after losing 3 rounds, i called out for someone to be hanged. By the end of the mid game round we were all friends and not flaming at oneanother, but flaming with eachother :) ) Also a story of how i met the best people in league. I was playing with my girl a few years back, i was top laner, enemy top laner and jungler were premade. Man WE FLAMED, SO MUCH! Serious smack talk to oneanother, after game we team up and were still "gaming friends." Play cs w him, battlefield, everything (though he quit league a while ago as well, man got banned for flaming a troll, as usual with the flame bans). Great guys from Serbia. (ps. on discord we swear a lot more, its normal, its what normal guys do in games, **normal**)
Shiwah (EUW)
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Hey look, i dont know what kind of access or power you have at riot, but if you can, can you please go see the 2 games i got perma banned for. We've had discussions (long, drawn out ones) on this forum, you and I, and honestly i do think that this can expand your horizon. 1 game, literally tried to defend 2 people from flame, second game, no flame at all tbh, just good ol regular smack talk that normal (not the weeaboos) boys do. I honestly want to open your eyes to this, since you seem to be the one putting up with this bs out here in the forums. If you do not do so, that is also fine, though i shall ask that you remember Dunkey, and how his ban was 100%bs, as is with most bans by riot. This is the last time ill be here. It was good talking with you over the months. Goodbye.
Shiwah (EUW)
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Yes :) riots bans are bs 99% of the time. Dont kill this game like this, theres too much to lose for y'all
: >The football where you flame and so on and nobody can stop you from playing it. fyi. you can get fined or even banned from playing football if you are recorded being toxic in words or gestures 10 second google search: https://www.therichest.com/sports/football-sports/top-ten-fines-for-unsportsmanlike-conduct/
So you dont cuss, scream or call people %%%%tards when you play basketball with your friends?
: Hi dude , shaco here. i reported you because your behavior in the start, you said in the start of the game because i pick shaco, and we did not have a tank top. you thought oh well then im just trolling aswell . Firstly i come to you mid to aid you , and you ks my ignite kill on LB - then icome again at lvl 6 with the best intention to help you . you have all summoners , everything is up , LB is 20 % he burst me to 5 % hp , you have Ult heal and sheild , but uses neither . thats what got me angry . the difference between me and you , is that i actually just started playing the game, while you were spreading love in the chat about how stupid i was, and that kids will be ego kids, etc etc , enjoy your punishment , best regaurds shaco :)
@Shaco Because of your actions an innocent is banned and the debils at riot wont do anything about it. Hope youre happy.
Shiwah (EUW)
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Hey, remember me? :D I also got perma banned. Like, this isnt funny anymore, things like this happen all the %%%%ing time, you know? Before long this kind of shit is gonna kill the game :/ The guy dosent deserve a ban and you know it. Please stop defending false actions and please, maybe, try to get that guy unbanned.
: auto perma-banned for no reason. :)
You are not alone my friend! Soon i will deal with this problem and try to find a solution for all! Srly riot, stop banning innocents all the time!
Shiwah (EUW)
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Yo this game is doomed lol :)))) back to back bans on the new account as well, yeah no, like i said, regular talking gets people banned :) srsly, fix yo sh1t before the entire eune region goes black with only mindless weeaboos playing. Till then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g
Kinslet (EUNE)
: How to improve league
#Something more for new players If and when a new player gets into the game, maybe give them all champions unlocked for 7 days?
Shiwah (EUW)
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Damn, now thats shitty :l Well, in any case, ill rest this case and maybe come back in a month or 2, complain some more ;) if you ever end up in eune, you know where to find me. Bye! (ban ends in 12 days i think?)
Shiwah (EUW)
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Oh i got a GREAT idea how to deal with flamers. We have chat bans yes? Why not instead make the highest possible punishment a permanent mute? Would save a lot of trouble :) Edit: Have you played CSGO? Now that there is flame :D, being close to russia i also get to play with russians quite often (good way to learn russian tho), never heard of a flame ban tho. If the voice comms arent all "Idi nahhui urod bljat!" you know, something is seriously wrong.
Kinslet (EUNE)
: Different laws then :D never heard of both fighters being arrested tbh, mostly only the culprate gets arrested. May i ask, where are you from? Estonia here xd I do use the edit button, on almost everything ive posted i used it. When an extra thought is added a seperate comment/post just seems better. But yeah, i seriously hope you change your stance on bans, sooner rather than later. (An extra thought, why not unban all those who have been permanently banned for flaming? An outright ban for flaming is never in the interests of anyone, and if anything, causes the overall reputation of any game company to go down, as we have seen in the years past.)
(Expanding on that, once one of my friends got banned during season 4, 14 day suspension, witch was a bs ban, as i was sitting next to him during that game, took 4 other people with him, he was the "key" to keeping our little group playing, and quite frankly, got fed up. This, basically, is how it goes down, thus, if anything, harms the company.)
Shiwah (EUW)
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Different laws then :D never heard of both fighters being arrested tbh, mostly only the culprate gets arrested. May i ask, where are you from? Estonia here xd I do use the edit button, on almost everything ive posted i used it. When an extra thought is added a seperate comment/post just seems better. But yeah, i seriously hope you change your stance on bans, sooner rather than later. (An extra thought, why not unban all those who have been permanently banned for flaming? An outright ban for flaming is never in the interests of anyone, and if anything, causes the overall reputation of any game company to go down, as we have seen in the years past.)
Kinslet (EUNE)
: I honestly hope that i can change the way riot does bans. Me, like many others, do indeed believe it is a bit too harsh (if so many complain, there is surely truth to it, no?). An example id like to pull out is the term "%%%" or "kill yourself." (This dosent go with my main topic) As we know, this is pretty much instantly bannable, witch i also belive is a bit too harsh. I tell my friends to kill themselves time to time as well, common teasing is what id call it. If a person spams it then sure, but mentioning it once or twice dosent do anything. Flame is what makes online gaming what it is today, if nobody could do it, people just wouldn't play online games (or that many people). Its human nature :) Anyway this is all i have to say about this, thanks for discussing this with me and have a nice day!
(Though i see that ive pretty much closed up the argument and won't accept other truths, i hope it didn't come off egoistic)
Kinslet (EUNE)
: I think you missed my point entirely, the idea is that retaliation ought to be wayyyy less punishable, and the starter should get the most of it. Is the culprit the person who lights the match, or the person who gets caught on fire from it? Not to say that it ought not to be punishable, but less punishable. For example, say theres a barfight and the person who started it loses. If the police show up, the one who defended himself dosent get in trouble, yes? In my mind, it is simply the rational way to go about it, wouldn't you agree? (Yes this is indeed a game and the circumstances are different, but this has to be brought up more.)
I honestly hope that i can change the way riot does bans. Me, like many others, do indeed believe it is a bit too harsh (if so many complain, there is surely truth to it, no?). An example id like to pull out is the term "%%%" or "kill yourself." (This dosent go with my main topic) As we know, this is pretty much instantly bannable, witch i also belive is a bit too harsh. I tell my friends to kill themselves time to time as well, common teasing is what id call it. If a person spams it then sure, but mentioning it once or twice dosent do anything. Flame is what makes online gaming what it is today, if nobody could do it, people just wouldn't play online games (or that many people). Its human nature :) Anyway this is all i have to say about this, thanks for discussing this with me and have a nice day!
Shiwah (EUW)
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I think you missed my point entirely, the idea is that retaliation ought to be wayyyy less punishable, and the starter should get the most of it. Is the culprit the person who lights the match, or the person who gets caught on fire from it? Not to say that it ought not to be punishable, but less punishable. For example, say theres a barfight and the person who started it loses. If the police show up, the one who defended himself dosent get in trouble, yes? In my mind, it is simply the rational way to go about it, wouldn't you agree? (Yes this is indeed a game and the circumstances are different, but this has to be brought up more.)
Kinslet (EUNE)
: I will disagree with the ban system and would like to point out Dunkey as an example. Not to say that it isn't sufficient, but i would like to see work done to it.
Otherwise, agreed.
Atlas (EUNE)
: Very well put, I agree with almost everything you said even though I'm not one who's excited for change. The map should have an option to change textures, with either texture packs that can be bought from the store, randomized map textures for each game (one time classic, other times textures based on actual places in the lore) Or just a slider to make the colors more lively. Reworks should be turned way the %%%% down and new champion releases should be just straight forgotten. We have enough champions for now, lets focus on other things. As for reworks, I agree to rewotk champions that are either outdated or just not fun to play. Balance is fine by me the way it is for the most part. Gamemodes, I wouldn't call them just gamemodes because that just sounds like some random poroking or urf or other silly thing, I want more variety, Summoner's Rift is amazing but what if instead of 2 teams you have 4 on a bigger map? Or as you said a 10v10. These ideas would need a lot of testing but they are a great way to make the game bigger. New players need a better tutorial... League is just not inviting at all... Bans are working well, they're 99% of the time justified and decent people won't be punished.
I will disagree with the ban system and would like to point out Dunkey as an example. Not to say that it isn't sufficient, but i would like to see work done to it.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kinslet,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=jLBuy3qL,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-26T13:08:38.315+0000) > > Reworks are a tricky situation, but all in all, i would cancel all planned full reworks and only touch champions when literally nobody plays them. That's not the reason why champions receive reworks. A champion will be reworked if: - Doesn't have an identity aka not being "unique" (eg Malphite) - Is toxic to play against (eg Poppy and Yorick) - Is outdated (eg Warwick which stayed pretty much the same) - All of the above ######Likely a few more reasons I didn't mention. *** > [{quoted}](name=Kinslet,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=jLBuy3qL,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-26T13:08:38.315+0000) > > i fear that the balancing for the pro scene might be detremental for the game in the long run, as it might alienate the main population. This isn't really the case. Riot has stated many times they balance the game around all skill levels. They **must** do that. Believing, or not, in their statement is a different story. It isn't easy to balance a game with such wide disparity in skill. They can't balance it for just Bronze and Silver because you'd alienate the competitive side and vice-versa. Azir, Kalista, Ryze and maybe a few others, are the few points trapped in this "balance limbo". Everything else is more or less balanced at all skill levels. *** > [{quoted}](name=Kinslet,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=jLBuy3qL,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-26T13:08:38.315+0000) > > i would REALLY love to see a League Royale gamemode. This is something that has been talked, even before Battle Royale games became popular: [FFA gamemode](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/bu3dqcMq-ffa-gamemode). *** > [{quoted}](name=Kinslet,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=jLBuy3qL,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-26T13:08:38.315+0000) > > Adding to that, explaining to them how league works League is in dire need of a better tutorial. I'm happy they are finally adressing that. While at it, improve the bots we already have by introducing a new level of difficulty. I know that making AI, especially for a team game, isn't easy, but it's something worth investing into for new players in the future.
I would like to clarify the royale mode. Im hoping it would be a squad based system, while free for all is nice, the magic is in squads :)
Kinslet (EUNE)
: It dosen't? Im not exactly sure witch part you're reffering to tho
Wait actually, it does make things better! You get to releave stress by flaming http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/114/139/tumblr_lgedv2Vtt21qf4x93o1_40020110725-22047-38imqt.jpg (Still not sure witch part youre reffering to tho)
Shiwah (EUW)
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It dosen't? Im not exactly sure witch part you're reffering to tho
Shiwah (EUW)
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: They are certainly aware of the issues with the system, and still working on detecting offenders accurately. Your specific ban doesn't seem to be a mistake of the system though.
My ban is 100% valid, yes, the only problem was ''first offender walking free in my eyes''
: 1. Of course they show only your side - I already wrote that everyone is judged based on his own behvaior. We aren't small children anymore who say "But he began and was much worse than me!" When you get banned, Riot shows you this logs, I don't know how else you can get them, as I never got banned. :P 2. Perhaps he got a chat ban, you wouldn't be able to see it. About your Morgana: It's always shitty to play with such person, but as said: You don't know if he gets a punishment and it might need a second game (of it was his first bad game) for a punishment.
2. (this 1 is supposed to be a 2, i typed 2 but it turns into 1 auto) he was quiet the whole time, no way hed get a chat ban.
: O rly? xD You're totally questioning Riots 'logic' in your post so as a consequence you're implying that you know better which is further evidentiated in your analysis of the so called trolls and feeders. You either think that you're justified to retaliate or that you should be justified to retaliate which is totally not the case even if you can't bring yourself to agree with it and are furious about it. The only thing you're completely right about is that you're not the only one to feel this way. Indeed, these kinda posts are pretty regular, that doesn't make them any more right tho. Also, this has been answered like a millionth time already but those people you described do get punished, I can't be bothered to go into the details each and every time, if anything I'm tired of these types of rants. I asked the mods to make a sticky about it before but they be lazy bums I guess.
Its lazy if they dont make a sticky And, posts like these will keep on coming up as long as there is a valid issue Ps. read my conversation with the mods, if youd like. Goodbye and have a good day.
: Well if we're talking about real-life threats, like a physical fight, it's obviously different. Self-defense is justified in a real life fight, but throwing punches online doesn't protect you, it's just pouring oil into the fire ^^
I got a quick question, do developers read these? It's just that, i am really rather upset by this whole banning thing (not the me being banned, the other part) and i am truely concerned about this and would love to see fixes or adsjustments.
: Your point was built from the stand point that you're right which makes every single bit of your long ass post a fallacy in itself. Talk about salt lol.
I was not right, in none of the cases that ive been banned i was right. Go read the bloody thing start to bottom -_- the single point i made there was that ''i do not see those trolls/inters or people who start flaming get banned''
Shiwah (EUW)
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Yes i am aware of that. I got a completely unlrelated question, if you dont mind that is. Does this forum have ''professional'' moderators or voulenteer moderators. :D no reason other than quiriosity.
sirDarts (EUW)
: 1. The stuff other people said or did doesn't matter, you are judged based on your own behavior. 2. Yeah, those messages are rather rare.
1. But a person can be judged far more favourably if he or she has supporting ''things'' (my english failed me here) ;D But okay, you have a good day now :)
Shiwah (EUW)
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Just wanted to put it there, the irl part, just in case :) no reason at all mostly.
: Yes other players might've broken the rules first, and yes, maybe what they did was worse. But at the end of the day YOU broke the rules too, you flamed, even though you knew that flaming is against the rules. You stopped being the victim the moment that **you decided** to retaliate. Two wrongs simply don't make a right, no matter how you twist it.
I will agree with you 100% but only when that ''You stopped being the victim the moment that you decided to retaliate.'' is only applied inside multiplayer games or other similar enviorments. When it comes to real life, i would disagree with that statement completely.
: Do you think the whole universe revolves around you or something?You're making an awful amount of assumptions starting with 'muh logic is correct, everyone else is wrong'. Go try that attitude in a real life court, I dare you. Clearly you need a reality check.
Dude, go be salty somewhere else, people like you who come to throw senseless salt get humanity nowhere. My point was made well and sufficiently, i suggest you read it. Now join the discussion or crawl back to your little rock.
: How exactly do you know that the others don't get banned? Correct. You can't know it. You don't always get a message if someone else gets punished. If I read it correctly, you also got multiple punishments - the system works like a ladder. If you arleady did one step, the next punishment will be (no matter how small your fault might be) the next step on the ladder (or if it was something bigger, then you can also take 2-3 steps at once). So if the others had n punishment before, they might have gotten a chat ban, while someone with mltiple chat bans might get a 14 day ban for the same thing. And you have no idea if someone else got a chat ban. You are not providing any chat logs, so noone will believe that "it was completely unjustified". Also it doesn't matter what other people did - your case is considered on its own, just like the others. Also there is never a reason for flame - even if others flame... you don't fight fire with fire, you stay cool and fight it with water. Also you said that you WERE flaming before your last punishment. What do you expect? You are not supposed to flame less, you are supposed to not flame at all. Riot punishes people, because most of the players want them to. The system got harder, because most people don't want flaming guys in their games. Your eyes aren't open, they are completely blinded by hatred and self-pitty. You just see what you want to see, nothing more. You might think that most people are just like you or similar - but all the persons I have ever played with as a premade NEVER had a punishment or even a warning, some of them were playing since season 1 like me. We have managed to play all that time WITHOUT GETTING A SINGLE WARNING. And no, we are no angels or roboters. In TS we shout, we scream and we shittalk each other. But we do it in teamspeak, because we know each other and know how far we can go. I know what the other people can endure, without being angry at each other. We don't do it in the chat, because we don't know the other persons. We don't know how they might react, we don't know how much they can endure, before they consider it flaming. If the others are flaming we stay cool and ignore them most of the time. Most people will stop flaming, because the flame just vanishes in emptyness. They still get reported afterwards, but flaming them will just make them flame even more and will not help anyone.
1. I was not trying to get people to approve of me, i got banned, so be it, i only wish to bring up a flaw, and the chat logs, unfortunately, show only the things i said. (And they wouldnt be interesting to read). Also, where would i get those logs once the ban is lifted? 2. I did not know you did not always get those messages that someone has been banned, thank you. Maybe they did get banned, maybe they didn't, allthough i know for a fact that the first troll did not get banned within the first week ( i was so pissy about the situation that i stalked the bloke, wanted to see if he would get banned) Great case was just now really, a Morgana made my jungler go afk (ranked) made EVERYBODY in the team flame (at him) (wish id recored it) and soon after that sivir also went afk. Reported her, no message, nothing, game was 2v5 due to 1 salty mofo, might see if hes still playing, see if there is a ban or not.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: What if a couple of ban threads are made by those players who are pointed as "the ones that are not banned"? Mindblow
: > My point is not about player behavior, You can only get banned if your behaviour is bad, so anything on bans is automatically player behaviour
Ok but my point is not about player behaviour, but the banning system, the bot
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