: ask them to post the logs from the email here, then see what the people think about it.
> [{quoted}](name=WillitheWit,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=eNVbY4Ii,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-19T14:01:05.148+0000) > > ask them to post the logs from the email here, then see what the people think about it. Intentional feeding doesn't include logs I think.
: my account got perma ban
Have you been banned for 14 days before this permaban?
: About MK LOL
Try googling how to remove it and just to be absolutely sure I would also uninstall lol, remove any lol files that might exist after the unistallation and then install LoL again cleanly.
Sfy (EUW)
: I don't know why everyone is assuming that it's account sharing, I said I let him try the game out
> [{quoted}](name=Sfy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=eNVbY4Ii,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-05-19T13:52:07.121+0000) > > I don't know why everyone is assuming that it's account sharing, I said I let him try the game out You let someone else play on an account that is dedicated to you and you alone. Riot had a huge infomercial in the client just a few weeks ago about Account Sharing. It explicitly stated that don't let people even try the game from your account since the results can be as what happened to you. Someone else using something yours is technically sharing.
Sfy (EUW)
: About perma bans after 14 day ban...
Account sharing is already a reason for permanent ban. So you should consider yourself lucky that it's only 14 days. There is a way to "reform" your accounts punishment level, atleast for toxicity, I do not know how that works considering feeding but I'd guess that it works the same. Do not feed anymore and your score should go down and make you eligible for loot again.
: perma ban new option maybe
Forever chatrestricted players would do something else than flaming if they want to make someone feel bad. Like trolling, intentional feeding, grieving, you name it. You just take away their primary tool to be toxic and after that they find other ways to be toxic.
: > [{quoted}](name=LoserSupreme,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=qywHyKN8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-05-19T13:06:42.687+0000) > > What is this remake system? :o never heard of it? Short version, verry early in game, if you are 1 person short, and some conditions are met (like for example the enemy has no kills), you can vote for the game to end. The vote should be accepted by all, and is a one - time thing. The game basicly didnt happen, except for the person who caused it. He gets pink ass dildo in the form of LP drop. (Maybe MMR too? :)) Edit: Ive seek some of the conditions , it seems its ok to cast the vote till 3rd minute, if someone have been afk for at least 90 sec, and no kills were made. Edit2: Here is red post if you need one: http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-pbe-feedback/LEvXh61X-remake-coming-soon-to-the-pbe
> [{quoted}](name=Im the Doctor,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=qywHyKN8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-05-19T13:11:52.132+0000) > > Short version, verry early in game, if you are 1 person short, and some conditions are met (like for example the enemy has no kills), you can vote for the game to end. The vote should be accepted by all, and is a one - time thing. > > The game basicly didnt happen, except for the person who caused it. He gets pink ass dildo in the form of LP drop. (Maybe MMR too? :)) Well, sounds good, initially at least.
: Remake system
What is this remake system? :o never heard of it?
: Reporting a next level hacker, spotted on the rift.
Just ROFL xD Yasuo and mana in the same sentence :3
: It's Wasabi, it's a kind of root vegetable. It says nothing about me apart from my love of Japanese food. It is an ambiguous name, whereas 'Im So Toxic' is fairly self-explanatory.
> [{quoted}](name=Wa5abi65,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ENz8lb7U,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-05-19T11:33:49.190+0000) > > It's Wasabi, it's a kind of root vegetable. It says nothing about me apart from my love of Japanese food. It is an ambiguous name, whereas 'Im So Toxic' is fairly self-explanatory. AHA! I knew there was something _fishy_ in your name o.O Some japanese food can be toxic if not prepared well - means you like toxicity - means you are toxic as fu*k - please gtfo of our boards. Now dammit! (kappa) _just in case_ :3
GG EU (EUW)
: I think Riot should post all 3rd party programs which are allowed. Its obvious that they know all those programs. I think its not that hard and it will help people know if that program they are using bannable or not. For example im not sure if Curse allowed or no.
> [{quoted}](name=GG EU,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=E7AuPQHJ,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-05-19T12:37:00.585+0000) > > I think Riot should post all 3rd party programs which are allowed. Its obvious that they know all those programs. I think its not that hard and it will help people know if that program they are using bannable or not. For example im not sure if Curse allowed or no. And also everyone wanting to cheat would see what programme they can use and whatnot. Cheatprogramme developers could also derive from the list just what kind of software behaviour Riot is banning and it would be easier to create a new programme that isn't detectable initially.
Colactic (EUW)
: The "harsh life" of a reformed player
The reason why you got matched in to games with other smurfs who usually are toxic is the "smurfbuster". Matchmaking detects players who are vastly better at the game than beginners - amazing kda's, spot on cs'ing, active warding etc. And will tag the player as smurf and matches other smurfs with each other. Resulting to matches where there are bronze-diamond level smurfs pitted against each other and these games are overall pure cancer for the gaming experience. I was in the same situation when I wanted to get a level 30 acc to EUW aswell. I soon grew tired of fighting those games and then I just deviced the best method for myself to level up as fast as possible. This was CO-OP games with double IP/EXP boosters on where I went Full AD Nasus Mid and farmed until 16:00 after which I bought shitton of damage and ended the game at 20:00, alone if need be. Easy, you win every match in 20 mins and that even gets a bit fun when you try to just up your CS from every game.
: Rito really? Banning people who call to report an intentional feeder and verbal abusers
What did you try to accomplish with the report calling? Isn't one, valid report enough? I mean if the guy is trolling in 10 games consistently and receives 10 valid reports (atleast 1 valid per game) wouldn't he be a clear case of _consistent toxicity_ the main reason people get banned for? And then there is cases where a player has extremely bad days, he slips in to flaming and does that in one game. Someone report calls for him and he receives 9 reports for that one game alone. Can we really judge this player as consistently toxic? He could have a shining record of positivity and he goes "fuck this team full of trolls" in one game, and never flames after that. Yeah, reaaal consistent in my opinion. Riot has stated that they do understand anyone can have a bad day/game and no one gets punished for that, unless it is an extreme case with homophobic or racial slurs. The consistent toxicity however will get players banned. ( I can find the Rioters post about this if you really want to read it yourself) So if you understand the above mentioned, you should realise that report calling only leads to spikes in a report history, spikes do not mean consistency, they are statistical anomalies which cannot be used in making of any conclusions. And if the case really was so crystal clear, do you honestly think that multiple players in your team already will report the said player? Meaning atleast 1-4 valid reports? Where do you need the remaining 1-5 reports, if one valid one is already sufficient to tag the player in question as toxic?
Nurglics (EUNE)
: i bet eula has a rule about this too
> [{quoted}](name=Nurglics,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=M9abJMHl,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2016-05-18T21:30:57.227+0000) > > i bet eula has a rule about this too Rule about what exactly? And the decision to ban players or lift bans is ultimately Riots own, so they do not have to abide by the EULA if they see that a permanent ban was unjustified for some players. It is more damaging to LoL and Riot to mistakenly ban players and hinder the value of their brand and image of Riot. That is why I say it feels "un-Riotlike" to take such an action where a minor penalty suddenly becomes the most major one without a player really contributing anything more in to the case. The same thing would essentially be that if a player receives a 10 game chat restriction for flaming and immediately stops all negativity but still receives a perma ban after months for the same fraction he was already banned once. To make it more clear he said "you noob scrub" in one game, which resulted to a 10 game CR, he never flamed after that but still gets permabanned months later for this same one game. As it seems MKLoL seems to be a large factor in these 3rd party software bans. And as it also seems is that MKLoL is highly troublesome software since it does not uninstall cleanly - meaning even if you delete the programme, traces of it still remain in your PC and LoL files. This would explain the amount of threads where people complain about uninstalling MKLoL after the warning 3 months ago but now received the permaban for it still even though they did not use the software anymore. And I personally feel that people who got banned due to some lingering files without them even knowing about their existence, should be given a closer look to their case. I have not been punished personally for anything in this game so I am not forwarding my case here. I simply feel sympathy for the players who might have gotten punished wrongly.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=KfRAcUHo,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2016-05-17T21:47:15.333+0000) > > From an end user standpoint, no. > > But also as an end user, I hate cheaters. If Riot were to unban people on the basis that they claim they never run cheating programs, they simply happened to have them installed and forgot about them, then Riot would need to unban _everyone_, real cheaters included. > And let's not forget that MKJogo is considered illegal because it potentially gives unfair advantages over those not using it - which is the main reason even Curse Voice was banned for a period. > > I wouldn't dare rewarding people that actually break the rules. But it is rather harsh to permanently ban a player who thought he had all in order. And as it seems, quite alot of posters are saying that they got punished because they had the forbidden programme months ago and got a warning ban. I know stupidity comes in many forms but the level of stupidity to keep using a programme already detected is on it's own level. I'd say that those players who have been warned about MKJogo/LoL before and now got a ban for it again should be given a closer examination to their cases. This would not result to every ban being lifted but only those which might actually be unjustified. Maybe the detection method for these programmes is a bit too strict, as it finds the first slightest notation of something that should not be there, files which have remained even after the uninstallation of said softwares, and just outright bans these players. Without actually validating that the said programme is still in active use. I have 0 love towards players actively cheating or using these programmes, but for those who have learned their lesson from the first warning But now gotten punished for files they didn't even know were still there, I feel that they should be given a better chance. And it does really seem that MK-programmes are troublesome since they often don't uninstall cleanly. So the room for error on both sides, Riot and users, is rather large considering the matter.
6kejS6Sjek6 (EUNE)
: but cant your brain process that maybe, only maybe there is chance that some people never used, and i mean never, any cheats and still got banned?
> [{quoted}](name=6kejS6Sjek6,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=eO3LUlQ3,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-05-18T12:16:04.572+0000) > > but cant your brain process that maybe, only maybe there is chance that some people never used, and i mean never, any cheats and still got banned? Well ofcourse there is always a chance for human error in everything. However, if a human error is being made Riot will do it's everything to undo it. Pretty much what happened after the automated punishment system was introduced, many players received unjustified bans due to human error. What Riot did was they lifted ALL the bans which took place during that time, even the ones that were justified. So If a player receives a ban where there simply is not enough valid evidence to make it justified, they will lift the bans.
: > [{quoted}](name=LoserSupreme,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=mHyNqLKy,comment-id=00010000000000000002,timestamp=2016-05-18T11:03:08.930+0000) > > I'd like to know more of the matter. > > Where'd you read that it doesn't? Or why shouldn't it be able to learn foreign insults as well, since that is age old information that the system is capable to machine learning..? Machines learn if you put some genetic algorithm inside :) The criteria for next generation accepting is if the punishment was just or not. And this is something that ONLY HUMAN can tell. So as far as I am conerned, there is human written logic, that is fixed when determinating the "what is toxic" question. Im not saying its fixed. Ofcourse it can be self-changing. For example the system can take all "false reports" into a pool, and see what words are most used. From that pool perhaps some of them are "white listed". "pillow", "donkey", etc. And the one's who are not white-listed can go into a list and be manually checked by HUMAN, so he can decide if they make it into the "what is toxic" database or not. Absolutely the opposite - from the "wrong bans", you can make a pool and see, what was not toxic, and make additional filter for it. To make sure that this never gets interpretation of "beeing toxic". I am giving just examples here, noone said this works like that. But it is something like that. It is human generated rule. That is beeing changed by humans. Also humans decide how to rate something. Toxic is not yes/no. For example racism, sexism, insults, threats... everything has different value. The machine has no understanding how bad is it to be gay and everyone be intolerant around you. This is why a human decides the punishment for this.
> [{quoted}](name=Im the Doctor,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=mHyNqLKy,comment-id=000100000000000000020000,timestamp=2016-05-18T11:38:25.272+0000) > > Machines learn if you put some genetic algorithm inside :) > The criteria for next generation accepting is if the punishment was just or not. And this is something that ONLY HUMAN can tell. > > So as far as I am conerned, there is human written logic, that is fixed when determinating the "what is toxic" question. > Im not saying its fixed. Ofcourse it can be self-changing. > > For example the system can take all "false reports" into a pool, and see what words are most used. From that pool perhaps some of them are "white listed". "pillow", "donkey", etc. > > And the one's who are not white-listed can go into a list and be manually checked by HUMAN, so he can decide if they make it into the "what is toxic" database or not. > > Absolutely the opposite - from the "wrong bans", you can make a pool and see, what was not toxic, and make additional filter for it. To make sure that this never gets interpretation of "beeing toxic". > > I am giving just examples here, noone said this works like that. But it is something like that. > It is human generated rule. That is beeing changed by humans. > > Also humans decide how to rate something. Toxic is not yes/no. > For example racism, sexism, insults, threats... everything has different value. > > The machine has no understanding how bad is it to be gay and everyone be intolerant around you. > This is why a human decides the punishment for this. Well the first mentioned example is pretty much how I figured it would work out aswell. Say a polish player gets reported nonstopped, but the system finds no recognisable toxicity from his games - then the system compiles the content it cannot recognize - say foreign words and sends them to a human monitoring the system who can find out the meaning of words/insults and tag them as toxic from now on. Let's take the word kurwa. The polish dude doesn't flame in english yet sais e.g. Good job you Kurwa. After the aforementioned process a Rioter monitoring the system gets a message "good job you kurwa"(Toxic Y/N) and when the Rioter states Y the machine learns a foreign insult word. That is why I would say that the system does recognize foreign insults aswell.
: There was already an announcement from Riot considering these perma bans. It doesn't matter if you used it a year ago or yesterday, or if you used it 24/7 or for 5 min. it is punishable. Fair play{{summoner:13}}
> [{quoted}](name=inFamous Zion,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=M9abJMHl,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-05-18T11:13:49.306+0000) > > There was already an announcement from Riot considering these perma bans. It doesn't matter if you used it a year ago or yesterday, or if you used it 24/7 or for 5 min. it is punishable. Fair play{{summoner:13}} I didn't notice that announcement. Where might I find it? It just feels "un-Riotlike" to punish players twice for the same fraction. With this I mean the players who were banned for a day or two due to usage of these problems and even if they immediately stopped using them, they still received a permanent ban a few days ago.
: > [{quoted}](name=EXTERMIANDORHH,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=eO3LUlQ3,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T10:47:49.848+0000) > > Give the rigth explanation then Use google to see how to properly remove MK L/J , and you will see its not some "residual files", that have not been deleted. Please keep your moth shut, and dont give advise to people, after you read it. Some of the methods of removal include manual work, that can seriously damage your operation system. Also keep in mind that some of the "helpful tools" provided, that do the work for you, may be even more harmful. It is not trivial task to remove all traces of the program from your operation system. I recommend, you just dont talk about that problem, or anything else, that you have no knowledge to help others.
> [{quoted}](name=Im the Doctor,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=eO3LUlQ3,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T10:59:23.839+0000) > > Use google to see how to properly remove MK L/J , and you will see its not some "residual files", that have not been deleted. > > Please keep your moth shut, and dont give advise to people, after you read it. Some of the methods of removal include manual work, that can seriously damage your operation system. > So problem essentially is so that a simple removal of the programme from windows is not sufficient to completely remove it, did I get that right? So some processes/files/bits whatever still remains? > Also keep in mind that some of the "helpful tools" provided, that do the work for you, may be even more harmful. > > It is not trivial task to remove all traces of the program from your operation system. > I recommend, you just dont talk about that problem, or anything else, that you have no knowledge to help others. Well, if I want to get rid of a programme I uninstall it with Ccleaner and do a registey clean. And I do believe that should be sufficient, but is it in this case? If not, then I would see why multiple people have been banned without them knowing why, since they did truly believe that they deleted the programme all together. "Residual files" might not be the exactly correct term to use here but I feel it gives atleast a satisfactory perspective to the matter. So I am wondering why such a bad attitude towards a guy who just, simply tried to help here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=mHyNqLKy,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T10:44:39.435+0000) > > I'm not sure if the Doctor misunderstood the question, tries to troll you or actually doesn't know it, but he is wrong. The system DOES detect foreign insults. The doctor understood the question, doesnt try to troll and actualyl knows it. The system does not detect foreign insults.
> [{quoted}](name=Im the Doctor,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=mHyNqLKy,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T10:48:10.811+0000) > > The doctor understood the question, doesnt try to troll and actualyl knows it. The system does not detect foreign insults. I'd like to know more of the matter. Where'd you read that it doesn't? Or why shouldn't it be able to learn foreign insults as well, since that is age old information that the system is capable to machine learning..?
Goofrian (EUW)
: How many are planning on quitting league?
I am waiting for the No Mans Sky as well. Probably still not going to give up League though.
Goofrian (EUW)
: Riot
How do you beat a competitive game..?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ueOGhR2N,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T08:50:48.726+0000) > > It _could_ be the case with Overwolf addons, but depends on which one you got installed _and_ on its functions ^_^ So overwolf actually has some addons for LoL? Never got overwolf working for me, that's why I went to use gw2pao but my Task manager still occasionally runs some overwolf processes even tho I removed the programme from my PC. Well here's to hoping I won't be the next one making these "omg banned for nothing threads" :3
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ueOGhR2N,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T08:30:22.502+0000) > > People also claim that Skype got them banned, it doesn't mean Skype suddenly is illegal, but that people can claim anything :P Well I just assumed that Overwolf and other overlay systems aswell might have certain behaviour related to executable files that it might get noticed by Riot. Which is why I was a bit afraid myself if the gw2pao would be notified at some point for a malicious 3rd party programme aswell for Riot. So essentially I was kinda reassuring myself that this would not be the case.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ueOGhR2N,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T08:09:37.158+0000) > > What does Overwolf have to do with this? To my knowledge, at least the basic version has no function that goes against the ToU. Well tbh, I have no clue. I just read from some other post that the OP said only thing he could imagine as a 3rd party software he had would be Overwolf. If overwolf works anything as, say GW2PAO overlay system then it pulls API data from a game, which is legal considering MMOs. I don't know if it might try to do the same for LoL. However, it was thrown in to a discussion somewhere before and I just wanted to know if that might be a common factor here aswell. But it seems it is the MKLoL once again.
: Banned for no reason whatsoever. ( apparenly i have been using third party programs ) Need help!
I personally don't know how MKLoL/Jogo works. But, There is a possibility that when you install it, the programme latches itself in to LoL game files. So even if you are not actively using it, it might still run some league related processes in the background. For example snatching jungle timers or something, even if it doesn't show them to you.
: Got banned for 3rd party program
MKLoL or Overwolf? Or have you used either of these in the past?
he1wa (EUW)
: am i hopeless?
Reforming is a process which have to start from yourself. So ask yourself, do you really want to reform and change your approach to the game?
: Common sense
> [{quoted}](name=EXTERMIANDORHH,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ItAuKRy7,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-17T10:49:27.167+0000) > > Common sense You've got to be the worst troll ever trolling on these troll infested troll boards.
: Most of the accounts of the game have been shared at some point
> [{quoted}](name=EXTERMIANDORHH,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ItAuKRy7,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-17T10:44:51.047+0000) > > Most of the accounts of the game have been shared at some point And exactly where do you base this information? :D
: But banning for sharing account makes no sense, since half the community would be banned
> [{quoted}](name=EXTERMIANDORHH,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ItAuKRy7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-17T10:39:16.042+0000) > > But banning for sharing account makes no sense, since half the community would be banned Hwat...?
Lewu95 (EUNE)
: Perma ban
Has anyone else played with your account?
Bank (EUW)
: Yeah I had gotten a 14 day ban before awhile ago. I did just read over the chat logs from 3 games. And only in one of them did I do anything remotely bad. My jungler was flaming me the entire game, and I said 'w.e man you suck' and muted him. That is literally the only thing. The other 2 were me telling people in all chat to report other people for being toxic, and in one instance on person on my team was trolling because I didn't gank enough supposedly. Think I've just had rotten luck being matched with 4 man premades, since this seems to be what happens to a lot of people. I've seen it around where they get reported a couple of games in a row and then get instabanned because of the script.
> [{quoted}](name=Bank,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2Pg2u6j0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-17T09:43:43.708+0000) > > Yeah I had gotten a 14 day ban before awhile ago. > I did just read over the chat logs from 3 games. And only in one of them did I do anything remotely bad. > My jungler was flaming me the entire game, and I said 'w.e man you suck' and muted him. That is literally the only thing. > The other 2 were me telling people in all chat to report other people for being toxic, and in one instance on person on my team was trolling because I didn't gank enough supposedly. > Think I've just had rotten luck being matched with 4 man premades, since this seems to be what happens to a lot of people. I've seen it around where they get reported a couple of games in a row and then get instabanned because of the script. Report calling is considered toxic behaviour and will lead to a punishment. Report calling has 0 function since it has no purpose at all. One report is enough. The actions of others do not force you to behave like an immature person. Please share the logs so we really can see if you did nothing wrong.
Bank (EUW)
: How does the banning script work? Just got permabanned.
The logs should show in client and in your e-mail linked to LoL. Once you find them, share 'em so we can tell you what got you banned. Have you gotten a 14-day ban before?
: Main account permanently suspended for account sharing
Oh, and if you have not found and gotten rid of the logger yet, I would strongly advice you to do a thorough investigation on your computer. If you manage to find the said software, document it well and forward it to your case to Riot aswell with all the possible data you can pull from it. There MIGHT be the receivers IP and if that matches with the scammer I'd say the case will go on to your account being returned to you. Emphasis on MIGHT.
: Yeah this makes sense, but reading through these comments and looking on other forums, there are a lot of people who have been scammed the same way I have been, but they got their account back immediately afterwards. The problem probably lies within the fact that this scammer was sending tickets to Riot at the same time from the account he stole from me claiming that it was his account and not mine. After creating a recovery ticket he said in one of the tickets (for some reason I got all of them in my email) that he got banned and was raging and flaming quite a bit. Then he said to me (in a private email) that he would not let me have access to the account if he couldn't have access either, so he said (knowing that this would cause a permanent ban) that the account was bought by him and that now I was trying to recover it. I know how it must look for you, just another person on the internet claiming to recover his/her account after trying to sell it, but just assume that I'm telling the truth. You don't have to believe me, but it would be nice if you have any idea on how to solve this :/. Whilst I'm writing this, it might be smart to send the email he sent me (about making sure my account gets banned) to Riot, but I guess such an email can be easily faked so it isn't enough evidence.
> [{quoted}](name=Star King jelmor,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=qj79XE4K,comment-id=00150000,timestamp=2016-05-17T08:19:17.530+0000) > > Yeah this makes sense, but reading through these comments and looking on other forums, there are a lot of people who have been scammed the same way I have been, but they got their account back immediately afterwards. The problem probably lies within the fact that this scammer was sending tickets to Riot at the same time from the account he stole from me claiming that it was his account and not mine. After creating a recovery ticket he said in one of the tickets (for some reason I got all of them in my email) that he got banned and was raging and flaming quite a bit. Then he said to me (in a private email) that he would not let me have access to the account if he couldn't have access either, so he said (knowing that this would cause a permanent ban) that the account was bought by him and that now I was trying to recover it. > I know how it must look for you, just another person on the internet claiming to recover his/her account after trying to sell it, but just assume that I'm telling the truth. You don't have to believe me, but it would be nice if you have any idea on how to solve this :/. Whilst I'm writing this, it might be smart to send the email he sent me (about making sure my account gets banned) to Riot, but I guess such an email can be easily faked so it isn't enough evidence. Well Riot is pretty much in the exact position on judging this as we board readers are, they pretty much cannot take either side as a base to stand on. However they can see the log in event in their systems. And most likely it appears to be a clean log in from a vastly different log in address than what is associated with your account. So to them it will show as an account sharing. And that is why the account is banned atm. You can try to push the ticket with all the evidence you have but don't expect too much of it. The severity that your account was compromised is just so high that it would be extremely risky for Riot to unban it, since they won't really know what caused the log in adress to change suddenly without any brute force or other hacking methods. All the evidence they have and can 100% rely on atm is indicating account sharing/account selling.
: unfair permaban
How did you "uninstall" the programme? And what programme it was? Are you aware that MKJogo and MKLoL are softwares that are forbidden to use?
: Main account permanently suspended for account sharing
You actually sharing the account or someone else loggin in to your account with your credentials is technically the same thing. Your log in credentials should be so strong that only you are able to log in with them. That is pretty much why every service requires you to have atleast normal and capital letters and numbers. To make it extremely hard to guess the PW or to break it with brute forcing. In this case, it seems that either your PW was too weak or you got scammed in a way that the scammer got your PW/Log in name and was able to use the without any brute forcing. That makes it look as if the log in credentials were given to the other player using your account. I am sure that if the scammer would've tried to brute force your credentials then Riot would have some solid evidence of it and their approach to the matter would be totaly different. This however was not the case. If the simple explanation of "someone scammed my credentials" would be enough to overturn the bans and give you the account back, everyone of us would be able to sell our account atleast once and claim scammed credentials to have it right back. If I remember this correctly you were invited to TS and mostlikely downloaded a "driver" or smth like that. That is a scam, yes, most likely a keylogger which sends the logs to the scammer - so he had your exact log in name and exact password. Most likely logged in with the first attempt. How does this make the action seem to Riot? It will make it seem exactly as account sharing or selling of an account. IP tracing does not really help in either of the cases. You could have given the credentials to a booster or you could've sold the account. That is why the location of log in changes radically. Your credentials might be even be exposed in some other game which has the same credentials. My friends credit card information along with his email/general Password was taken from his Guild Wars 2 account which was inactive. It is not yet known how but he lost quite a lot of money and his original facebook profile due to it, and was banned from GW2 due to botting. All of which were caused by the scammer. There is so much options why this could've happened and Riot Gaming will have to respond to only solid evidence they can get. Which is a valid log in from a way different location in a short span of time. That is a rather cruel fact but something I don't see being wrong. They just can't believe every explanation they hear regarding the matter. TL;DR A brute force attack would be notified by Riot. A valid log in with correct credential is not. If your credentials get scammed in a 3rf party software etc. It is no longer Riots problem and they cannot be certain that account was not shared/sold or e.g. give to a booster. I am sorry for you to losing the account but you pretty much need to take this as an expensive lesson of online safety.
: > [{quoted}](name=I LoserSupreme I,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=89Ogejso,comment-id=000b00000000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-12T20:46:21.816+0000) > > Well, from the thousands of threads in EU Boards alone it is quite a task to find a thread where the guys is punished the first time and ONLY due to report calling. Not to mention that I am not very certain that the effort I am putting into this is taken as seriously as I wished it would be. I mean pretty much every reform card that I managed to find included report calling but almost always there was other toxicity aswell. The last couple of examples were of those that I find report calling playing the major part or at least a noticeable role. > > In my opinion the first case does fit my case quite well. It shows that report calling is considered toxic and will lead to a punishment. In that particular case it was simply the last straw to trigger the permanent ban. The OP in question most likely reformed to best of is knowledge and stopped flaming and other negative behaviour. But he shared the opinion as you do that Report Calling would not be considered toxic and continued to do that. Well you do see what happened. It DID lead to a punishment. If it can lead to a permaban why would it not lead to minor punishments aswell? He wasn't punished just for that game LOL, it's just one of many they sent him as an example, they mentioned this a lot, when I received my first and only chat restriction I was sent chat logs from 4 or 5 games, in 2 of those I didn't say anything, just wrote gg wp at end as everyone does, they just happened to be in the pool of chat logs, so he wasn't banned because that game, and considering he's being permabanned he was an extremely toxic individual, basically the only thing he could do at this point is to stay quiet.
> [{quoted}](name=Sovekz,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=89Ogejso,comment-id=000b0000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2016-05-13T20:07:56.589+0000) > > First, I already know it sounds like I am not giving you my chat logs on purpose, I actually did try and find them, will probably contact support about it. Second, the system being automated doesn't have anything to do with it, I just said that it checks the chat and everything from the guy, I meant maybe he lied about them flaming him so he's trying to get them reported for some reason I don't know, he's at the verge of a permaban so there probably isn't any good reason why he could possibly do that, the enemy then report him because his teammates asked also to report him, I am 100% sure they did, then the system checked his claims and saw that he was lying so he got the ban because of actual toxicity, which lying to get someone report is toxic, and I don't approve of it, here we disagree but that we know already, there are many possibilities what actually happened, which we can't see, because we don't have access to the full chat logs. > > Now a question for you. A guy asks at the end to report bot lane because they flamed him, and they actually did, he only said that, nothing else, now you come and say you will report him for asking that, aren't you being toxic too? You're basically ruining his day on top of bot lane who already did it, just for the sake to satisfy your own ego or something, so why shouldn't you be reported too? Well 2 questions, but doesn't matter. Any luck with that reform card..?
Rakeoon (EUW)
: My way of being a passive agressive douchebag to punish other passive agressive douchebags.
Well considering you got banned I'd say the system works a bit better than you let us understand :3
Rioter Comments
Lux Venator (EUNE)
: Is Riot trolling our promotional games?
I have noticed a certain trend in promomatches. If you get to promotion games after a large winning streak, say 4-5 games, the following promotion matches will be incredibly hard. The chances of getting an afk or a Fiddlestick ADC (got that in my latest promo match xD) are noticeably high. Or then the enemy team simply outplays my team 600-0, figuratively speaking. However. When you lose the first series you'll get down to ~75 LP or higher, basically one win and a new series. That series again is much easier to play through. I believe this is because of the nature of MMR system. You win alot and your MMR rockets significantly higher which logically results to matchmaking creating progressively harder matches to win for you. Hence the amazing skill difference or trolls. But when you lose a few the MMR sort of balances and the next series opponents are easier than first series's or the teams you get into are more balanced, as in the chances of getting a losing player are lower. So I won't put too much pressure on the first series ever anymore. If I can win them I take them gladly, If I don't, no biggie, I just win one or two and get into the next series where I usually experience better gameplay.
Shenpai2 (EUW)
: Im done with your fucking bullshit riot
Somehow I feel that we ain't seeing any chat logs. ... "I was banned for nothing, Rito shit company!" Show chat logs please? "Oh I don't have them.." How convenient. ...
Raistlin (EUNE)
: You cant mute every match, and if you dont, you respond to stuff. Someone following you to steal every mob in jungle, someone from your team making you die on purpose, stuff like that ,happens alot, if you dont have it, your just a lucky guy.Or girl. Rarely do i see balanced matches where no one goes afk, or feeds 0/10 ,or flames. When i do have those nice matches, i thank the god, end with that match and dont continue xD It came to that.Most ppl do it, so do i.
> [{quoted}](name=Raistlin,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rANheXUO,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2016-05-13T01:14:22.364+0000) > > You cant mute every match, and if you dont, you respond to stuff. > > Someone following you to steal every mob in jungle, someone from your team making you die on purpose, stuff like that ,happens alot, if you dont have it, your just a lucky guy.Or girl. > > Rarely do i see balanced matches where no one goes afk, or feeds 0/10 ,or flames. > > When i do have those nice matches, i thank the god, end with that match and dont continue xD > It came to that.Most ppl do it, so do i. Why couldn't you mute every match? It is encouraged to try and communicate but if that is hard thing to do without flaming, then muting is the option you have and you are free to use it as much as you like. No one is getting banned for not speaking. I don't think there is an option report for Refusing to communicate anymore.
Saryk (EUW)
: Report system rework idea
Well it is a nice idea on theory, atleast I like the way you think. However I am fairly certain that this kind of system would lead to a situation where a majority of the games would be reported and investigated onto. Because I feel that every game that I play, there is always someone on the losing side who does not tolerate losing and he takes it out on to something or someone. These kinds of players would mostlikely just report the game due to their team losing because of e.g. Someone got caught which resulted in to a loss. Just to take the odds that something someone said or did might result in to a punishment and make him feel atleast a bit better. Humans are the worst flaw in this game, and whatever the system would be, someone will try to abuse it. And in this case the abusing might lead to a overencumberment of the automated system resulting to same kind of symptoms that the old tribunal had. Slow and inneffective punishments. Now the system works well due to its automated and targeted nature. It does not need to evaluate the context and it is given the right people to investigate on. So the step to go through the whole game to find the real culprits has been skipped by community driven reporting. Which is kind of a good thing. I do feel that the best punishment system would be something like CS:GO overwatch is, you get to see a part of the game, review the logs and make a human judgement which would be compared to other judgements given to the case and if the majority thinks the player needs to be punished then the punishment is carried forward. This would need some sort of a reward system however so that players would really like to judge cases and it is a hard thing to invent and implement.
sn0wy (EUNE)
: 7th perma ban
Damn, I have a perfect life. Education, good job, lots of money, beuatiful gf, a bad ass majestic dog, we have our own house at the countryside and vacation apartment in Tampa Bay where I can just chill and watch Playoff hockey and drink ice cold beer by the pool. Day after day. Oh and I have never been punished, not even a chat restriction. Maybe there's a correlation :3
: New trolling method
No losing streak for either of the players you mentioned. I can only imagine what else was your imagination in this story.
Raipesi (EUW)
: Want to discuss about justice in this game...
The whole situation started from the assumption that playing Off-Meta is toxic. You do know what "metagame" means? There is no written rule anywhere that Ezreal couldn't take the Golemn or Lee taking the buffs. According to metagame it would be most beneficial for jungler to take them however he is not actually entitled for them. Ofcourse what they did is highly annoying, however it is not forbidden and if they made their exp - buffs count towards winning the game, then I don't see a reason why it should be forbidden for them to take them. I understand this kind of behaviour is annoying and if this continues throughout the game I do feel that you would've been entitled to file a report against them. That would have been the correct way to handle this. The mature way. But, You went vigilante. Took the justice in to your own hands in a technically borderline case. Relying to perhaps onto most hated and vicious way to make them feel uncomfortable - intentional feeding. And no, there is never a moment where you "have to feed". Never. Now what those guys most likely wanted to do was make your game go bad because you did not let their friend jungle, so yes, they were trolls but they were borderline smart trolls and what you did was that you just fed the trolls. _Never feed the troll_ That is what they are trying and you played right into their pocket. Can you imagine the smuck smirks on their faces when they got the pop-up that you were banned? There is justice - quite effective justice aswell - in the League. However for perfect justice to happen, these matters need to be taken care of by legal ways, whoch intentional feeding certainly isn't. Basically you answered to a minor crime with a major crime and got burned yourself. I wonder whose fault that was? Yours or Riots?
: > [{quoted}](name=LoserSupreme,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=89Ogejso,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2016-05-11T10:22:40.780+0000) > > Yes. > > Leaver Buster deals with AFKs automatically. Plus I do have my own eyes to see if someone AFKs and I have my own mind to decide that 5 - 4 = 1 AFK. So to top it all off you asking people to report something obvious feels like you are speaking to mindless apes who need to be told what to do. > > And as it has been said numerous times in this thread alone, additional reports per one game does not mean jackshit. Absolutely nothing, because one valid report is enough. So WHY THE FUCK BEG FOR MORE?! > > I also think that Report Calling in any form is a negative habit. Kinda like drugs - it is never good to do them/it. So whenever I say see someone report calling, I tell them that it is punishable - please don't do it - and I report them. Especially if the said player decides to completely ignore my advice and refuses to believe that Report Calling is toxic. Let them have their own medicine. > > In some cases where the rep calling player has been truly amazed and shocked that his calls for reports are actually useless AND toxic, and they have apologised for it, then I have left the report undone. > > Reporting a report caller does not mean that I leave the trolls/afks/feeders/flamers reported and ONLY report the rep caller as people here seem to think. No. I report every person I can justifiably call toxic - including the rep callers. You're one of the reasons what's wrong with the community, you will report a guy who asks to legitimately report someone because of some bullshit, while others who provoked him will go unpunished because of you, and it does mean more if more people report you, don't know did you come to that conclusion, Riot even said that you won't get punished by one report, you need to be reported repeatedly to get punished, you can probably find it somewhere, last you reporting me for asking politely to report someone is just going to negatively impact your report score, later your reports won't mean shit because you were busy reporting people who for someone to be reported while these guys who troll and flame and act as if they are the victims, will go unpunished because of you, bravo seriously bravo.
> [{quoted}](name=Sovekz,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=89Ogejso,comment-id=001400000000,timestamp=2016-05-11T11:45:33.637+0000) > > You're one of the reasons what's wrong with the community, you will report a guy who asks to legitimately report someone because of some bullshit, while others who provoked him will go unpunished because of you, There is no legitimate way to ask reports. Reporting a player is everyones own individual decision based on the facts NOT on to what a salty teammate claims in all chat. In worst case the report caller blatantly lies about ones actions and I make an invalid report which hinders the value of my reports. I explicitly stated that I don't leave others un-reported even if someone report calls. If I see reason to report someone due to anything that breaks the summoners code then I will do a just report on my very own. Report Calling is breaking the Summoners Code as well and it annoyes me to the Nth degree, hence I will report them just as well as flamers/feeders/afks. Report Calls alone lead to minor penalties for otherwise clean players. So no one is getting permabanned due to my reports for report calling anyway. At maximum they get a chat restriction with a nice lil reform card what shows them what not to do. >and it does mean more if more people report you, don't know did you come to that conclusion, Riot even said that you won't get punished by one report, you need to be reported repeatedly to get punished, you can probably find it somewhere Yes, just as you said aswell "you need to get reported repeatedly to get punished" and if I may add - You need to get reported repeatedly for valid reasons to get punished. It has also been stated that the system values games reported over reports per one game. Think of a scenario where a toxic report caller manages to fool the whole enemy team to report a player X for reason X, which is absolutely false. So player X receives 6 reports for that ONE game, he never gets reported otherwise. This will manifest as a spike in report history - triggering the pop up "you have been reported more than usual in your recent matches" Now let's say the toxic report caller does this EVERY game he plays, he always gets reports for others with report calling and he always gets atleast one report himself from the guy he is trying to get banned. This leads to rep caller being reported at least once in every game - he has a steady history of being reported. Now imagive these situations as informative charts or graphs. If you were asked to point which graph displays consistent toxicity - the main reason behind every punishment, stated by Riot themselves - which would it be? I believe we both land on the same conclusion. Random spikes in any data are statistical anomalies which makes the data unreliable. Steady graphs/data are more likely to be trusted and conclusions can be made of them. This is how Riot is enforcing their stance that everyone has a bad game/bad day sometime and no one gets banned due to a few games alone unless it is an extreme case. >, last you reporting me for asking politely to report someone is just going to negatively impact your report score, later your reports won't mean shit because you were busy reporting people who for someone to be reported while these guys who troll and flame and act as if they are the victims, will go unpunished because of you, bravo seriously bravo. No. Only invalid reports, known as false reports hinder my report value. As I said, I only report players who I can judge as 100% toxic by my own perception. Report calling IS deemed toxic by the majority of the community so my reports against report calling will not become invalid reports. Or do you disagree with the above? And for the second time already. Where did I say I leave the trolls/afkers/flamers/feeders unreported if someone report calls? Nowhere. I report each and everyone of toxic players INCLUDING the toxic report callers. Can you get that into your head already? If an enemy teams player flames in enemy chat I cannot see it. The moment he takes it to all chat he will get reported by me and others who use the teport function correctly. Someone claiming he said something might just as well be lying and is not enough proof for me to destroy my report value over. Sounds logical right? Enemy team has 1-4 players who see what happens and are just as free to make the report as I do, difference is that they see the proof. So taking the report calling to all chat is nothing but idiotic and highly toxic which serves absolutely no reason.
: So if I say "Report yi please, he's afk." you will report me?
> [{quoted}](name=Sovekz,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=89Ogejso,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2016-05-10T16:35:32.451+0000) > > So if I say "Report yi please, he's afk." you will report me? Yes. Leaver Buster deals with AFKs automatically. Plus I do have my own eyes to see if someone AFKs and I have my own mind to decide that 5 - 4 = 1 AFK. So to top it all off you asking people to report something obvious feels like you are speaking to mindless apes who need to be told what to do. And as it has been said numerous times in this thread alone, additional reports per one game does not mean jackshit. Absolutely nothing, because one valid report is enough. So WHY THE FUCK BEG FOR MORE?! I also think that Report Calling in any form is a negative habit. Kinda like drugs - it is never good to do them/it. So whenever I say see someone report calling, I tell them that it is punishable - please don't do it - and I report them. Especially if the said player decides to completely ignore my advice and refuses to believe that Report Calling is toxic. Let them have their own medicine. In some cases where the rep calling player has been truly amazed and shocked that his calls for reports are actually useless AND toxic, and they have apologised for it, then I have left the report undone. Reporting a report caller does not mean that I leave the trolls/afks/feeders/flamers reported and ONLY report the rep caller as people here seem to think. No. I report every person I can justifiably call toxic - including the rep callers.
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