LVinCi (EUW)
: Stop dreaming bro xD they do whatever they want , they set their rules whatever we like it or not they made money they made the big data base players but no worries everything will end soon this whole company will be just a history name {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
{{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} You are right, thank you for your thoughts, yesterday night I just realised it’s a lost cause.
Mugurele (EUNE)
: What does your point have to do with the topic? Have you told me one good idea since you started arguing my opinions? No. That’s because you have no good points at all, you only have negative attitude.
noob infant (EUNE)
: you knew the consequences of flaming after getting 2 weeks suspension and still flamed. how can you blame anyone, but yourself?
I blame myself in the first place, because I hadn't the power to keep my mouth shut, but this situation could've been avoided, if someone would really care about what toxic behavior means and how to manage it.
Mugurele (EUNE)
: What does your point have to do with the topic? Have you told me one good idea since you started arguing my opinions? No. That’s because you have no good points at all, you only have negative attitude.
I simply don't care about proving anything to you man, you either belive me or not, that's my point of view, it might be wrong, I don't have to ask Riot for statistics so I can prove you absolutely nothing. And this topic is not about proving anything and bring documents, papers, it is about sharing some ideas. :D
Xoriath (EUW)
: Exactly ,I am not stating that I am innocent,but a death sentence(equivalent of perma banning ) really is extreme .If the system was actually decent than I would agree with the ultimate solution.The main problem in my opinion is that they do not weigh the toxicity of the reports.I have seen cases in which players were banned for making sarcastic remarks and cases where people were banned for really heavy stuff.Makes no difference to Riot whether you were banned for making a bad joke or directly throwing ugly words at someone.Same sentence.
Yea well... that’s how things are, imperfect.
Mugurele (EUNE)
: What does your point have to do with the topic? Have you told me one good idea since you started arguing my opinions? No. That’s because you have no good points at all, you only have negative attitude.
You don’t get it. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
noob infant (EUNE)
: the fact that they feeded is irrelevant. just because someone had a bad game or just bad at the league of legends does not mean they deserve to be flamed by some random dude on the net. since when having a champion skin reflected skill? it's fairly rude and probably deserves a chat ban or at least a warning. anyway if you say stuff like that only in 1 game you don't get anything, even if you get reported. it takes multiple mild flames like this to get a chatban.
They all flamed me, and we all reported each other, I got permabanned they got no punishments whatsoever for destroying my game, right? Only these two games decides my faith, there are no games in which I spoke anything negative ‘till those.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mugurele,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=00010000000000000001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-09T18:32:31.207+0000) > > This is pure hatred and off topic. Hatred? Where? Off topic? I'm simply addressing the validity of the claims that have been made, if one can't handle being called out for spreading misinformation, or can't back up their claims with a valid source, then they shouldn't have made a claim and presented it as a fact to begin with.
What does your point have to do with the topic? Have you told me one good idea since you started arguing my opinions? No. That’s because you have no good points at all, you only have negative attitude.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mugurele,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=000100000000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-09T16:00:56.711+0000) > > Papers, articles, dude we are on a forum for League of Legends... So? Does that mean one can spread misinformation unchallenged? I don't think so.
Solvyn (EUNE)
: You have had a permaban right? I read your post, it must be destructive for both your mind and your whole mood...Are you still playing the game or not?
Hello and thank you for your support! No, the game is over for me. :(
: >The source being each player onto themselves obviously, you can't judge a game based on what others experience, and that's also the only thing that matters. That's neither a correct source, nor is it obvious. You made the claim, that the majority of playeres are immature... have you met the majority of players? Did you conduct an elaborate study? Do you have papers or articles, that support your claim? >So in your world, people who are mature rage-quit, act like kids on steroids and verbally assult others.. Now I understand why you need Wiki as a source for the above:P If you read carefully I asked you a question, because the way you worded your earlier statement that's what you said, not me: "Games without some random trash talk, direct verbal abuse, rage-quitting or playing to lose are a rarity, if people were mature **[random trash talk, direct verbal abuse, rage-quitting or playing to lose]** would be the standard instead." Given your context the content of the brackets are the only thing your "it" could be referring to, which would entirely go against what the word "mature" stands for.
Papers, articles, dude we are on a forum for League of Legends...
Xoriath (EUW)
: 100% agreed on the life changing failure.It has been almost 2 years since I lost the account into which I invested 5 years of my life and I still did not manage to get over it. Sometimes when I get to sleep at night the regret and sadness overwhelm me.Riot still often sends me messages about events to the email address associated with the account,while having a good laugh I presume.
Well I’m arguing non stop about this and I think there might be hope in the future, the system is far from being perfect and it affects all the players in a way or another. People easly judge and our ideas are rarely seen by Riot. Taking away all this work in just a second is painfull and too severe. There are better options to reform players, not permabann and destroy their life. I hope I don’t have false hope in Riot’s judgement.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Three of your points have the same idea, stop repeating yourself. And you can read my post if you want an answer to your question. What I’m saying is that the punishment system can be improved and nobody would have to lose anything from it, just win-win. Also with perma or not flamers gonna flame and they’ll enjoy destroying games, while reforming them sounds more efficitent. And I consider myself a reformed player before my 2nd suspension, just go and analize all my games if you don’t trust me. Everybody can rage once in a while, I’m sure you are that kind of man too.
Mugurele (EUNE)
: So you think baning me from the community will solve the problem? I’m sure I could still play league now and be a toxic free player.
If I would be an infamous flamer who really enjoy to destroy other people games, ok, I deserve it, but trying your best in reforming and failing is another story man. Also you are from West, in my ranked games there is a lot of harras.
: Then why can the vast majority of people play this game without being punished even once? Because they barely, if at all, retaliate or break the rules. It doesn't take a "Buddha" to accomplish that, just normal human behaviour. So what are you complaining about? Given your chatlogs below you had it coming and deserve your punishment.
So you think baning me from the community will solve the problem? I’m sure I could still play league now and be a toxic free player.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Well I always stopped for a period of time, which was longer and longer each step, think about the fact that I haven't flamed for 300 games or something like that and in the end in my last 2 games I did, and I got perma. Permaban shouldn't be perma at all should be for a long period of time and if you come back, flame again on the first game you wait another year, I think you would really stop, is because of fear not wisdom that people really stop flaming. In the end people will stop flame if they want to play the game.
: And a lot of players are simply not willing to reform within the chances they get. Permabans are usually not the first punishments someone gets. Only consistent toxicity will get someone banned. If you only need to think about getting rid of your toxicity after a permanent ban then it's already too late.
I tought about it far behind I got perma and I improved a lot. I haven't flamed for 300 games and I still got perma. And the word Perma is kind of odd don't you think so? It's like no more faith in you, which is wrong. Which doesn't solve the problem at all.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mugurele,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=000000000001000200000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-09T12:41:08.093+0000) > > You still don’t get it, don’t you? > People don’t act this way, there will always be players flaming and I think you already are one of them. > > {{sticker:darius-angry}} Sure all of those 0 punishments i got since i started playing in s1 surely mark me as one hell of a toxic being :^) And yes, there will always be flamers, sure. But its the systems job to sort them and and get rid of them, i never said anything else.
Sort them, get rid of them? What is this? WW2
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mugurele,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=0000000000010002000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-09T12:33:43.167+0000) > > The whole idea isn’t how f*ckd up the player is, it is how we stop toxic behavior in the first place. Dont be toxic yourself and mute + report anyone who is. Thats all you can do. And no its not riots job to properly raise into a decent human being, thats your parents job. If they failed at that, it sucks, sure. But you have enough chances to realise that riot doesnt want you to be toxic. So either fix your shit or get the hell out of this game.
Nobody wants to get out of it, the benefits would be for everybody to stay here and reform in a proper way.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mugurele,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=0000000000010002000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-09T12:33:43.167+0000) > > The whole idea isn’t how f*ckd up the player is, it is how we stop toxic behavior in the first place. Dont be toxic yourself and mute + report anyone who is. Thats all you can do. And no its not riots job to properly raise into a decent human being, thats your parents job. If they failed at that, it sucks, sure. But you have enough chances to realise that riot doesnt want you to be toxic. So either fix your shit or get the hell out of this game.
You still don’t get it, don’t you? People don’t act this way, there will always be players flaming. {{sticker:darius-angry}}
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Ban system should be forgiving to those who are consistent.
I’m sure that if you get chat ban you would play atleast 50% better, focusing only on the game.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=NU Male official,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=00000000000100020000000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-09T12:22:53.102+0000) > > How is staying away from something that affects your mental health in a negative way not a solution? Because in this case he has to admit that the fault lies with him, not with the game. And thats obviously not true, right? :^)
The whole idea isn’t how f*ckd up the player is, it is how we stop toxic behavior in the first place.
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: >That’s the communist approach to the subject You do not understand terms that you use, right? And ShanksFX is more or less right. If you get affected by everything, even so small like a video game played for fun, the problem lies somewhere else.
Really? I mean blindfolded, should've I said it this way? “Stay the f*ck away from the game!” That is wrong, and this is not a solution.
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mugurele,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=00000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-09T11:33:20.127+0000) > > All people tend to react differently depening on the situation. > > We are not all the same, so take my example: I’ve been playing 200 games with no toxic behavior at all, pure fear of being banned again, yet in my last two games I was tilted and I had a bad time from being flamed to having a bad game. **I was a little toxic(sell skin and silver jungler) are the words I’ve said, I muted and still tried to win the game. > > After all this I got permabanned, because of these two games.** > > Now if I care about my game and I don’t wanna lose time for nothing, but someone decides to go 1/15 nunu mid, ofcourse I get angry that’s primal instinct, tilt proof is a relative word, some people really don’t care, but sone people will get nuts. I like to see the Chat Logs to **that**.
Game 1 Mugurele: r xD Mugurele: DUDE Mugurele: I PING Mugurele: CPME Mugurele: NOW Mugurele: NOW Mugurele: pff Mugurele: free kill Mugurele: lost Mugurele: why always useless jg Mugurele: yas Mugurele: wanna change lane? Mugurele: ye Mugurele: and this jungler Mugurele: ganked Mugurele: 0 times Mugurele: like all silver junglers xD Mugurele: still Mugurele: we couldve got fb if he owuld come when i pinged him Mugurele: not going to frog Mugurele: instead fo free kill Mugurele: haha Mugurele: muted Mugurele: lulu Mugurele: well i played alone Mugurele: the entire game Mugurele: dont blame me Mugurele: he is feed Mugurele: if some1 struggle and nobody care ofc this happens Mugurele: u expect everybody to win :)) Mugurele: haha Mugurele: ye Mugurele: its useless Mugurele: i asked gank and ugo farm Mugurele: whenhe was 10 hp xD Mugurele: u ost this Mugurele: usual jungler Mugurele: u did very good Mugurele: i see Mugurele: 10/1 Mugurele: 7/0 Mugurele: ye Mugurele: 2/2/15 Mugurele: rene Mugurele: is the only one Mugurele: who kiled me Mugurele: lol Mugurele: ohh Mugurele: u are al muted Mugurele: kido Mugurele: very good engager zac Mugurele: u afk in base Mugurele: ok Mugurele: report team Mugurele: for flame Mugurele: Ty And this was the worst one. Two games out of hundreds. Should’ve I got a punishment after the first game? Yes, would’ve I still be banned now? No.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
It would’ve been also great if you would get insta punishment, something that hurts you, and makes you to stop flaming at all.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: The experiment they did was they gave the perma banned players a second chance at playing the game, 91% of the players or something got permabanned again within the first week or something along those lines but I'm not asking for something along those lines, I'm asking for justice for those who are actually playing the game to their fullest Do I support flaming? No Do I wish death upon people's family? Absolutely not But I'm no angel, I'm going to have bad games wither it comes to playing or using the chat Riot's criminal record doesn't get cleaned, you offend 2 times in some cases and the account is R I P That's why I'm asking for a system where you go 500 games with no toxicity and it makes your next punishment a chat restrict rather than a ban, if you are then toxic within that chat restrict or the next 500 games, you are punished with the ban That in my opinion sounds fair
A season ban would’ve been better then what permabann actually gives you: either stop playing league, either start a fresh account where you have nothing to lose, you want try again to reach level 5 at honor, it is already gone.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Source? Also I'm only chatbanned but it's making me think about reading all the bans on here, thinking about what people haven't done and could of done then comparing it towards what people are doing and getting away with lol
noob infant (EUNE)
: everything you are talking about is already in place - after sometime/games your account gets "clean" as long as you behave. it's just when people flame very hard the system skips stages and can even give perma for one game. you must have said some very nasry things to go straight into 2 weeks
Silver jungler and sell skin, that’s very nasty? I don’t think so, but people were angry at me so I got reported, even tho they all feeded everywhere...
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: >That’s the communist approach to the subject You do not understand terms that you use, right? And ShanksFX is more or less right. If you get affected by everything, even so small like a video game played for fun, the problem lies somewhere else.
The problems ofcourse lies somewhere else, that’s the point.
: >First of all, league players ain’t the mature ones, and that’s a fact. What is your source? Also how do you define maturity? By age? Because I've seen quite some immature adults in my life. >Second of all, in this game you act differently from the real life. I don't. >And third, those who got banned, mostly got banned because the system failed them, end of story. Again where is the source? How did the system fail them?
I would say by life experience, you think in the most of the cases life gives people wisdom? I’ve been allowed to ruin a lot of games, untill I started on death trial. Also if I’dve be given a punishment after my first two toxic games, I wouldn’t get banned in the first place.
Solvyn (EUNE)
: I see how it is, Ill try my best to Fix how i act. I know I am toxic and I never really realised how toxic I was. Thanks for the warning btw, I'll try my best to take care of 1 more toxic player in this community, myself.
Thank you! The worst this is the permaban, and I don’t even whant to describe it again, how destructive and radically it is for your mind.
: > [{quoted}](name=Exhibit B,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-09T00:10:46.021+0000) > > Holding emotions in you, especially the negative ones like anger, are possibly the worst thing that can happen to you, mentally. It destroys you. [...] Have you any source for that claim? Because actually it's been observed and shown, that venting your anger actually makes things worse for you, and you are more likely to react angrily in the future again. (Just one) Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/design-your-path/201108/anger-management-the-five-ws-healthy-venting
Nobody ever said you have to let them go on chat.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Exhibit B,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=JZBpd3W8,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-09T00:10:46.021+0000) > > Holding emotions in you, especially the negative ones like anger, are possibly the worst thing that can happen to you, mentally. It destroys you. You can scream at the pc screen or your dog but that's just not it. > I...don't recommend screaming at your dog, you won't be able to explain that shit to him/her ever. Honestly if a few trolls in an online game affect your mental health, well your problems may lie elsewhere and i recommend to stay the fck out of the internet for a while. Or at least stay away from lol.
That’s the wrong approach to the subject, no offense. I can’t see any open mindness in your opinion. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Exhibit B (EUNE)
: Holding emotions in you, especially the negative ones like anger, are possibly the worst thing that can happen to you, mentally. It destroys you. You can scream at the pc screen or your dog but that's just not it. I...don't recommend screaming at your dog, you won't be able to explain that shit to him/her ever.
: Nobody asked you to "be Buddha", whatever that entails for you. You don't have to be a Saint in order to take a moment when you are getting angry and quickly assess the situation, and what you'll probably realise is, that if you react on that emotion now in a retaliatory way, then things will get worse.
All people tend to react differently depening on the situation. We are not all the same, so take my example: I’ve been playing 200 games with no toxic behavior at all, pure fear of being banned again, yet in my last two games I was tilted and I had a bad time from being flamed to having a bad game. I was a little toxic(sell skin and silver jungler) are the words I’ve said, I muted and still tried to win the game. After all this I got permabanned, because of these two games. Now if I care about my game and I don’t wanna lose time for nothing, but someone decides to go 1/15 nunu mid, ofcourse I get angry that’s primal instinct, tilt proof is a relative word, some people really don’t care, but sone people will get nuts.
: Unplayable game at this point...
If you do anything from the list above and you don’t react on chat you won’t get punished. This is the end of the story! Punishments are made because of the chat, nothing more. But instead if we would change our way of thinking about the punishments we could solve this real problem.
Solvyn (EUNE)
: 14 Day Suspension...What do I expect?
You might get those actual punishments(in game chat ban, 14-days suspension), they don’t seem so frightening in the beggining, because they are light punishments, but before you’ll even notice, after the first step is made, the real problems start to occur. You won’t be tolerated to be as toxic as you were, which means, if you don’t change your behavior fast, you’ll get your next punishment, and in a blink of an eye, you are being toxic for one game or maximum two games and you are done forever. You might think that if you reformed a bit or even more(you get some honors, starting acting normaly) you will be tolerated to be one game toxic, ain’t so bad... one game in 100 it’s fine to be tilted and flame a little bit, once you are on death row. But you will not be tolerated anything anymore, and one step after another you are done. You got your 2nd suspension, it’s like one game you act negative, second game you are perma.
Èclair (EUNE)
: Impossible rules to obey? Are you aware that only small percentage of playerbase got themselves banned? Any mature person should know how to control their emotions, not only in the video game but in real life. How do you funcion in society when you cannot control even what you type in a video game?
First of all, league players ain’t the mature ones, and that’s a fact. Second of all, in this game you act differently from the real life. And third, those who got banned, mostly got banned because the system failed them, end of story. If you are really interesed in what I’m talking about you can read my post, and share my taught, and maybe help, better then judge. I wish you a good day fella! {{champion:201}}
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: "harsh".....people want to make me suffer cause I play nidalee all the time:D
I truly understand you, it happens to me all the time when I wanna play an out of meta champion. Just be silent about any such kind of remarks.
: Nobody blames you for getting angry. But it matters how you deal with that emotion and just simply letting it out definitely isn't the correct choice. Not just in League, but in all parts of life.
It’s like: can’t you just be buddha please, I’m sure you’ve done some psychology faculty or something; therapy, sure you can live with the feeling that someone hates you and destroys your game just because you asked him NICELY to help you. You are buddha after all, you can do this and many more things. {{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Ban system should be forgiving to those who are consistent.
This is the problem I’ve been talking about in my posts, human emotions are more complex then a set of impossible rulles to obey. Thinking that you will have another chance before you will get any suspension which could come anytime is wrong. And this problem can be solved by chat ban and a lot more open minded punishments other then banning someone who will get so angry they’ll destroy everything anyway. RIOT hasn’t got this big idea about how hard managing players is, which led to those rules in the first place. But there is always space to improve. In a near future these things will be solved because, and I hope I’m not wrong, RIOT listen to people, and always improve the game, making it more perfect and addictive. Sooner or later they should assume some responsability.
: The easiest way would be to consult a specialist about this It's most likely not just something about the game itself but about you as a person
Right call! <3
: Guy threatening me, tells me that he will make me suffer.
You have report mate, use it and have faith in it because it is working properly, not the best in the world but it’s working. There is no point in pining it here, I’m sure you made some really harsh remarks that made this players so angry. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Ohh... And I don’t have this info, but I bet there are not so many players that have been quiting league because of negative behavior or toxic players they just get over it, because this game is so addictive you won’t quit it for such a bad reason. The negativity in league is historicaly lower since the new honor system. It has never been lower, I hope a rioter will approve my message but I see improvement every week in our league.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Look, this is my final answer to your questions because you actualy seem too judgemental for me. Permabann is not efficient at all, because the efficient way isn’t to ban someone and expect him to come back with revenge in their blood(just in case you don’t know how people works) OR leave the game. I’m repeating myself mate, I can see no good in permabanning, just pain. The problem with the new accounts created to flame is the permanent suspension itself. Also, RIOT listen to people sometimes, this game is great because of the community opinions and the support from RIOT.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Look Shiwah, don’t think of me as a bad person who wants more tolerance. I want more efficiency ways to solve this real problem. It’s not real for you but is real for me and for people like me. Permanent suspension gives you two ways which are not good for RIOT and they are not good for players. 😄 I might add that these two ways are worse for RIOT and worse for all players, not only the one who got banned. Think it through, how many players are reforming after a permanent suspension? I tell you one thing, only players that doesn’t lose so much, but for someone like me who lost a valuable account there are only looses for both sides. Don’t think of RIOT like money maniacs. They’ve given us the best game of all times and this is the best game, nothing is compared to League of Legends, and this is it. They are listening to new ways of improve the game so more people play it and everybody is happy, they make fame and money, we are happy socializing and having fun. {{champion:83}}
: sorry. that's too much to read.
I made it smaller just for you! {{champion:142}}
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
You are saying exactly what I’ve told you. Swift punishments that really makes the player reform not permaban which makes the players to come back and go insane toxic or leave the game. Emissary you are really missing the point. Think a moment as a human being. I struggled a lot to reform and nothing seems to help me only make my experience worse. I don’t know about you, but this game means a lot for me and these changes I’m talking about doesn’t cost anything, only makes the game better for everyone.
: Im Toxic, Help
Well hello! Stop creating accounts and stop destroying everybody’s games. Just go on your main account and /ignore all even emotes if you are a sensible person at taunting. I would advise you to not use any words on chat, that is going to release your anger and make place for more destructive anger. Instead think that you are 1v9 and just do your best to stay alive and don’t feed. Think it this way, you are alone on the battlefield and you must do your best to win. I really hope I helped you! {{champion:43}}
: Okay, a longer queue time is more hurtful than a permaban? Make sense. Seriously, a queue penalty would make you think twice before acting, but a permaban is fine and you was able to ignore it?
A permaban either makes people leave the game in most of the cases, either makes them to come back with fresh accounts that they don’t even care anymore, they’ll be toxic anyway they already lost everything. :)
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