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: If they give you another slot available by combining 2 items, it is very unlikely that you reach a full build as supp that cannot allow you to have a pink. More so now that the game time has shortened. You are the one missing the whole point, since your are centering your thinking on so many parameters being very late game (50 minutes), full build support, stealth enemy champion, and being the one that can only carry a pink ward (which is at itself a pretty naive thinking). Which is very unlikely and anyway part of the game, find other way to protect your adc (shield, zoning cc, whatever you want).
remember that next time u play suport have full build and enemy team has vayne on their team and u cant pinkward.
: I mean if you reach the time where as a support you are full build, the game should and must be over very soon (we are talking about probably 50 minutes) so don't be the team that makes a mistake, that's all. Let just your game end ! Also, I would add that there is no point going back on something that was deeply amended: - removed free green trinket - gave you 3 super {{item:2049}} upgrades that goes with the support item to make only one {{item:2301}} {{item:2302}} {{item:2303}} --> Congratulations you have won a slot ! So where is the problem now ?
I think u missed the whole point it for pink wards and true vision.
djolexbrate (EUNE)
: Removing warding trinket was a huge mistake for Rito. Warding is not only supports job. Every team mate should be responsible for its lane and vision. Caring wards weakens support indeed, especially after hyper-carry heroes like {{champion:67}} , {{champion:18}} , {{champion:119}} . But this problem is real only after you need all 6 slots (late 30's).{{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Larry (EUNE)
: That will force you to use all remaining wards to get a pink. I dont like it. And as many stated before, i dont have an issue with this thing anyway
i think u ward up ur map quiet fast with the 3 u quiped and most players do. some might hold them for long but okey we all think diffrent and iam okey with that. Also in tfs its proven u can doge 1-2basic attacks on droping a ward so panic put there would more like help ur them then ruin it. but ye mate i understand u , it was one of few thinks that could be done
Vuks (EUNE)
: Considering tankali is a thing, and it's a broken thing, it should come back.
yepp but if its gets back just for tank akali then the others gonna suffer to its not fair
Larry (EUNE)
: Sorry if you dont like the answer, but there might be a reason why i am diamond and you are not. You have a choice that is different in every game. If you think that Omen's or Frozen heart will be more usefull than a pink ward when you are full build, then by all means, be my guest. Buy them.Item preference is an aspect of the game that is a whole part of its own. But dont come here complaining that there should be a different option, because there was, and Riot removed it. So work with what you have now because on the vision part, i think Riot has settled for now and has no plans on changing it. So instead of Riot making changes according to what you think needs improving, improve yourself and adapt, that is only if you want to climb. Because things change constantly and you need to discard your "old" strategies and adapt to new ones, you dont have time to say that "oh, this is unfair" because everything will change again. And you can clearly see that in this season. When it was introduced, there were many changes and balances and nerfs. And before you even get to adapt to these, there is a huge upcoming item change, then there will be a huge mage class update, and both of these changes will change the way people play.
i Totaly respect what ur saying and ur compleatly right in manny ways. like i said i have plaid since s2 i been on dimond to, so that thing dosent aprove in this situation. my self carrying that extra pink ward every game insted of an item. but i know when the enemy laner suport dosent have to, it actually maters alot in Tf etc. iam improving my self of every game so i know what ur talking about , in past days i recorded my own game play to. i Had an sugestion for this "issue" that if u have the upgraded sightstone the last ward will provide a pink. in that case it will not affect anny other lane then suport, and they are going to be able to get that extra tankines , ap ad or what ever. i think u self can undestand the logic here {{item:2043}} u can have this like it is now in the last slot what iam trying improve is that u can have both {{item:3110}} (in the last slot) + still be able to have this {{item:2043}}
LaValvola (EUW)
: You don't lose anything, that slot with a 75g item is actually more valuable then a 3k one if you're against stealth champs. As a support, is one one of your duties. Coming from Dota I don't really see it as problem, i remember when i sentry and observer wards went in different slots, and you also needed to bring dust against invisible heroes (kinda every game 'cause there are items that make you invis).. so bye bye 3 slots out of 6. Atm you can store sentry and observers in one slot and switch from one another with a double click. Maybe something like that could be added, getting to store sightstone and pink in the same slot.
sounds really recenble i understand what u mean in the first few lines. But in stats vs stavs , and sup vs sup. it get unfair if the other can proved with 100more armor or 1k healt and so on u get the point, Yes the 75 g is worth about 20lp so igreed its key but it should not distrub an actuall build. but agin i totaly agreed with the last parts! Thats why i mention that the 4th ward in the sigtstone could be a pink one so u normaly place ur 3 first green wards, and then the last click its a pink, go b aand refill
: Pink ward boots sounds cool, and also we need armor pen boots :b or just add 7th item slot haha
7 item slot would not work people would not buy pinkward. it has to be in the sigtstone feuture i think. or just a slot for the pink
Luminie (EUW)
: If the enemy has stealth champs like Vayne or Akali I usually use the upgraded sweeper in the teamfight (since they are gonna be close to you). If you play tank support here is no problem to go first in fights with the sweeper, and you teammates are gonna see the Vayne, Akali, Shaco, etc... But it would be nice to have an 8th slot for pinks, since you can't buy them when you are full build. And I like to have a pink on the map all the time.
yea we talking late game. i agreed with u but like u said cant have it late. thats the issue i try to talk about. as u mention tank suport- not all players choise the tanky supports. like i said easy sulotion is at that the last ward in a upgraded sightsone would be coded to a pink. then u have 3x green for the map and the last press would provide a pink one. no item slots losed. and its all gold efficnet
: well you have to make choice in your build. everyone having 2 pink in the late game like last season wasnt fun. cuz teamfight with invisible champs was pretty much. "enemy places over 5 pink and you cant do anything". e.x shaco, twitch, eve etc. now you gotta make a choice ^^ I dont see a problem, what you're asking for atm is, you want free counter for invisible champs, how about you ask for free zhonya too vs assassins and stuff like that haha. now that's unfair.
Totally agreed with u. Think is to fix it i had an example that in the upgraded sightstone the 4th ward is a pink one and not lose an inv slot. + another sugestion came up pink ward boots that holds 1 ward + get old trinket back and put it on a lvl 16 before it can be obtainal "my self dont like this idea 100%" since it will benefit all the players and 5 pinks on the late will counter all invs champ. But if its in the last of the sighstone only suport will benefit from it
: u have absolutley nothing wrong in what ur saying okey? and no they are not realying on having an extra item. But if the opertunety is there to pic up an extra Example thorns for a tanksupport OR an icborn etc etc mabye a rylzer for an ap suport with some more hp in the sustain + extra slows or a rod "rod is an idiot example i know that my self but its a good item with alots of + in it/since it takes long time to build up and would be more or less usless to buy in late game) Ga or whatever u would like to help ur self out and ur team. example i love soraka. i play her alot i would love that in my build but if i could ad in a extra warmog and have a pink ward to well wow what a diffrent sutain + game play.
+ if u could have 100extra armor + a pink ward would u have it insted of just 75 pink ward?
: Nope. And this is where ur mindset is completely wrong. Support doesn't rely on having the extra item. The problem is when a carry is behind an item, support is made for cc and peelign for a carry, wich a pinkward includes peeling. and this build rocks 40% cdr, wich allows you to do the job perfectly, and you dont need an extra item.
u have absolutley nothing wrong in what ur saying okey? and no they are not realying on having an extra item. But if the opertunety is there to pic up an extra Example thorns for a tanksupport OR an icborn etc etc mabye a rylzer for an ap suport with some more hp in the sustain + extra slows or a rod "rod is an idiot example i know that my self but its a good item with alots of + in it/since it takes long time to build up and would be more or less usless to buy in late game) Ga or whatever u would like to help ur self out and ur team. example i love soraka. i play her alot i would love that in my build but if i could ad in a extra warmog and have a pink ward to well wow what a diffrent sutain + game play.
: Locket isn't even a good comparison then. there are perfect builds for support that fit a pink ward. {{item:3190}} locket {{item:3009}} boots {{item:2303}} sightstone stuff {{item:3110}} Frozen heart {{item:3222}} Mikaels {{item:2043}} Pink ward. Now you tell me what essential support item you lack here. Thinking you are a semi decent support that knows ou have to take exhaust, i do not see any other item that you need here that you have to take. edit: wrong item linked
Nothing in this case. everything is set. But if u dont need that pink ward another item can takes it place. and if enemy team in that case dont need pink and u need there is the unblance
: If that idea would be implemented, champions like akali vayne eve etc etc can just be reemoved from the game. The strong part of their kit is invisibility, and it would just make them unplayable. Basically what you are saying is that you want every stealth champ to be removed from the game.
Absolutley not. i love them assasins as much i love jana soraka etc. thats why i dont want the old pink ward trinket system becuse its destroying its laning faze more or less. i know this in the big picture is a really hard subject. but i dont think its fair as an player dosent matter what rank to lose so manny extra stats an item can give u , just becuse of that ward. i mention before: Lets make a vs 200hp on both adc enemy got{{item:3190}} and u got a {{item:2043}} left to use. both adc are 100% equall (same dmg same att speed same critt ) who will win ? depending on the item activation ? Edited: i love the way u having ur ideas and mind and iam lissening to it with an open heart just letting u know iam not trying fight fire with fire here, iam brain storming with u
: Alright i'm a diamond player that has mained support in diamond but sure. You really think very 1 dimensional. take the sweeper if you see the !. the moment he jumps you instant exhaust him mid air and he is dead. At leash i hope you are smart enough to take exhaust when you face a rengar.
ofc iam :) but u have to think with an open mind. ofc ! but still kha twitch vayne etc dont got indicators. iam trying to have an veiw of every champ and every senario it was an example. i been in dimond to so its nothing new for me eaither. but lets say like this {{item:3362}} bring this item back put lvl cap at 16 all support + laners can carry that game carry true vision vs enemy team and still lose no item slots? iis it stupid yes or no. since every one says offer a slot or buy pinks anny way. i dont think gosu gonna sacrifse example GA in hes kit for an 75g pink ward. (acording to other lanes)
DBP Echo (EUW)
: They should just bring the pink trinket upgrade back, and put level requirement on 16/18 so you Can get it late game.
Totaly agreed at lvl 16 it would be a great thing. since it wont ruin to fast for the early game for the invs champ. iam trying to se every thing balanced here. thats why i dont want the old trinket at lvl 9
: Remove {{item:2043}} from the game. Problem solved, you no longer need to worry about it. {{champion:17}} nyahaha PS: I would never sell an item for {{item:2043}}, seems like a very bad idea.
: Even if enemy team has stealth champions or not, supports should always have a pink ward with them, be it for objective control or just controlling vision. If you dont understand this that you just HAVE to have a pink ward in the item slots, then you are just a bad support that doesn't understand his role ingame.
okey mr dear plat player. did u really understand the issue? its not about carrying a pink ward or not. Its if u do u have ur kit 75 gold in one slot insted of a life saving item of 3k i got ower 8000 ranked games on suport role only under my years. Lets make big clear senario. IF u play natilus for an example *enemy rengar is 20/5 and can 3xQ ur adc with no problem As soon u se the ! drop a pink ward u have true vision and can cc lock him so ur adc wont be 1 shotted and enemy team have a great advantage. But if ur inventory is full with armor etc at 35-50 min u cant have that pink ward. u give enemy a free 4vs5 situation and easier win the game. u can sacrifse that one item slot to stop this, but then ur oponent enemy suport is way more ahead then u in generly. Have an open mind in this iam not talking about me iam talking generly game play. Lets make a vs 200hp on both adc enemy got {{item:3190}} and u got a {{item:2043}} left to use. both adc are 100% equall who will win ? depending on the item activation ?
: As a Support player all you need item wise is {{item:3222}} {{item:3190}} and {{item:3143}} then with {{item:3009}} and either {{item:2303}} {{item:2302}} or {{item:2301}} and there you go you have a space for a {{item:2043}} remember supports are there for actives and utility unless your team is so ahead that all lanes are snowballing and you can push to finish within 20 mins if there is not a lot or no CC on enemy team replace {{item:3222}} with {{item:3800}} also {{item:3800}} and {{item:3143}} is the best engage/slow enemy combo support item and {{item:3222}} is effectively a {{summoner:7}} and {{summoner:1}} in 1 item along with {{summoner:3}} and {{summoner:4}} thats 4 summoner spells no other lane can do that :)
agreed what ur saying still an issue about losing 1 slot when the enemy support dosent need to. example IF u play natilus for an example *enemy rengar is 20/5 and can 3xQ ur adc with no problem As soon u se the ! drop a pink ward u have true vision and can cc lock him so ur adc wont be 1 shotted and enemy team have a great advantage. But if ur inventory is full with armor etc at 35-50 min u can have that pink ward. u give enemy a free 4vs5 situation and easier win the game. u can sacrifse that one item slot to stop this, but then ur oponent enemy suport is way more ahead then u in generly. Have an open mind in this iam not talking about me iam talking generly game play.
: This is all about dynamicqueue. Look. Its allways like this. We are 40 min in the game and i do my usual splitpush nami thing. AND EVERY FUCKING TIME those damn premade gank me 4on1. I cant do shit. They got skype and stuff. And dont even try to 1on1 me. Back in the good old days it was so much easier but right now its just a gamble. Do they have skype and gank me 4on1? Or not. Its no longer about single skill. Splitpushnami is basically dead thx to dynamicqueue. THX RITO! I wont play anymore till they fix it.
iam lissening to what ur saying but u as a solo player sould not need to sacrifse an item slot for helping those 4 premades to solo carry the game with map vision and champ skill
Larry (EUNE)
: then dont get a pink ward and let enemy vayne penta. It's that simple
> [{quoted}](name=Larry,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=t7quOs98,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2016-04-15T08:19:02.713+0000) > > then dont get a pink ward and let enemy vayne penta. It's that simple i espected more for a dimond player haha mentalety rip , sorry bro but if u cant se with open mind dont even bother comenting
: I'm a support main and that pink ward is a Core Item in my build. I can help win a whole match by warding alone. Often times the team wont ward anything but thier own lanes so I see it as my job to ward the map. {{champion:40}}
Absolutley so do i, but the problem is when its the late´s and like i said need to sacrifse that item slot. 75 gold item for an 3k that could be life saving and actually save ur team to
: I tend to agree, that usually in a game, we have to do it because the mid/adc/top are usually too stupid to pick up pink wards themselves.
: Gotta love all the idiots telling you its alright not to have a 6th item. (there is late game people when everyone got full build) This problem is not only problem for Supports any other role you play where your team is stupid not to buy a pink ward against invisible enemy (yeah overfed Vayne not gonna kill itself), you have to do it. (be it mid, top, jungler, adc, support) The old warding system was way better. The new ward system also ruined mid for immobile mages since they cant ward properly. (expect the campfire in the bush)
Thx god some one thinks like me here. its an late game issue not early. big thx mate! let the vision be with us {{item:2043}}
: How can you moan about that? I'm sorry but its your role, it's what you must do.. lets face it anyway, everyone should buy pink wards anyway, not just support, look at LCS, each member constantly has a pink ward out, so there is really no excuse..
i totaly agreed with u , but i dont think gosu would sacrifse an GA late game for a 75 g ward. and this is suport vs suport a litel bit. We got cait in our team they have vayne. imidielty i need to "sacrifise" one item slot and the enemy dont
TheCurSADer (EUNE)
: Reaching full build is difficult for a support pre-40 minute IMO + at this point at least 3 people on the team should have upgraded red trinket, which reveals champions, bushes etc. Really don't see the issue here.
it gives a silluet not true vision. IF u play natilus for an example *enemy rengar is 20/5 and can 3xQ ur adc with no problem As soon u se the ! drop a pink ward u have true vision and can cc lock him so ur adc wont be 1 shotted and enemy team have a great advantage. But if ur inventory is full with armor etc at 35-50 min u can have that pink ward. u give enemy a free 4vs5 situation and easier win the game. u can sacrifse that one item slot to stop this, but then ur oponent enemy suport is way more ahead then u in generly. Have an open mind in this iam not talking about me iam talking generly game play.
: Also in my elo i see maybe 2 shacos and 1 eve for every 60 or so games i play and i rarely see kha or renger so its not liek every game you have to carry a perma pink
Its not about every game but the kha,rengar, eve schaco twitch vayne is actually quiet strong in this meta i totaly agreed what ur saying but this is for a late game and there we got the problem
DELDE115 (EUW)
: Not really, because you can buy pinks in the early game too
Absolutley. but thats more or less a player choise then. iam talking about bronz->challanger in this case. and its more about the late game
: salt is real? That was just my opinion.
Replaying some one is a bad player isent this salt? i got ower 8000 ranked games on suport role only under my years. Lets make big clear senario. IF u play natilus for an example *enemy rengar is 20/5 and can 3xQ ur adc with no problem As soon u se the ! drop a pink ward u have true vision and can cc lock him so ur adc wont be 1 shotted and enemy team have a great advantage. But if ur inventory is full with armor etc at 35-50 min u cant have that pink ward. u give enemy a free 4vs5 situation and easier win the game. u can sacrifse that one item slot to stop this, but then ur oponent enemy suport is way more ahead then u in generly. Have an open mind in this iam not talking about me iam talking generly game play.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: Thing is usually you wont get to full build -> that item slot doesnt rly matter that muvh then
i think the most of my games are more then 30 min so yea its becomes a strugle "also when u only have 2 items slots left and wanna part build it and it takes up 2 the last remains before u finish the actuall item. iam talking generall game play not only my side. i se lots people do this. but yea if the game is short this is no problem at all. but when its close to 35-45 min and all is feed up here the issue comes. an extra item to provide for ur self or u team "example solari" (no clue why i take this as an last item but anny way this is an example) or a 75 g pink ward.
: This isn't a problem at all! Support main here and i have no issue with having a pink at all times. You adpt your build to the enemy champions. Most supports will not have all 6 slots filled with items anyway. Really not a problem. If i have to be honest if you struggle with this, then you may be a bad support.
Salt is real?, i have no issues with the suporting part. i got long experiens of this so its not a problem either. I think its unfair in a compenetive game that some one in the other side can go stronger then u. also a big wake up call to people start use the wards^_^ but sure if u dont want to have a pink ward on u when enemy rengar or vayne is kiting ur as fine by me :)
Larry (EUNE)
: I think you have a misconception of the role "support".It means that you provide to your team what is lacking, and if that means you stay with 1 less item just to buy pink wards then so be it. You are not a tank, you are not a damage dealer, you are the ace in the sleeve of your team. The others tank the others deal damage, you are just a "maid" that provides whatever is needed. Or would be better if your adc sacrificed 1 slot to buy pink wards?
This is the problem no one should need to "sacrifice" 1 item slot in a game. The unblance is happening when The enemy suport dont need to sacrifse that slot. and that actually have a bigger impact on the game then u think.
Strigina (EUNE)
: Upgraded sweeper still shows only silhouette of stealthed unit and even with a small (like 0.5s) delay. It's not even close to a pink ward. On the other hand, I agree that pink is not a waste, yet I would love if it would have it's own slot. Because sometimes, you cannot buy another part of an item, because you need that slot for a pink and because there is no space for it in late game. Also, support is not the only one who should buy pink wards, everyone should do it.
Once agin absolutley every one should but lets be logic here, Zed or vayne player would they sacrifise a Guardian angel for a 75 gold purple ward to have in their bag?
: Late game there's technically no counterplay for invisible champions, the red trinket is pure trash and is only worth using for ward clearing. It has a delay on a champions movement so if you're playing someone like thresh it's still incredibly hard to land the hook for example.
DELDE115 (EUW)
: I honestly dont know why Riot took away this trinket upgrade {{item:3362}} It was amazing, especially for mid to late game.
This was an awesoem trinket before i totaly agreed, but i think it ruined for akali eve chaco etc in the early laning faze
: Its the same for every champ then, it shouldn't just be support buying pink wards Also they did make it slightly better for support with the new(ish) items: {{item:2303}} {{item:2302}} {{item:2301}} So that gave supports an additional item I guess
I totaly agreed with u but if u think for ur self lets not talk challanger and upwards "mabye also there" This is about the late game when every one got their pockets full and not are able to pick up the pink ward becuse of lack of space. in the early game there is no problem about that, but were talking in the 35-40 when almost every one got full build "also the suport" But the suport wont be able to pick up that extra item that can be werry situational for her/hes gamplay also for the team. just becuse u need that 75 gold pinkward in ur pocket. And lets say my team dont got an insivble champ but the enemy has i already there got the disadvantage vs the whole enemy team just becuse i lose 1 item. that 600hp or 100armor or what ever u would need to offer could actually have a conflikt on the entire game. "if u had that 400 more hp" mabye ur team would won the team fight and end and not the enemy. i think u get the point. {{item:2043}} Eddited: {{item:2301}} {{item:2303}} {{item:2302}} {{item:2045}} : an there was my solution The 4th ward should be a pink ward that u place its 100% code able and would not be much work. and it will give u mabye that ga, or warmog, frozen or whatver u need as an suport.{{item:2043}}
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