: Face your fears - and talk about them!
So basically Vayne has no counterplay gotcha. Useless tips are useless {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
True Sight (EUNE)
: Any ETA on the login fix?
Probably they tried to patch the 10 bans into the game and something went wrong (I hope its worth the w8)
Eodin (EUW)
: got me m8 didn´t know i can buy lv 2 keystone masterys. ans lv 2 slots for runes.
I tried to help you by warning not to waste IP on runes since a new system is here very soon and you are rude to me for no reason? You are the type of people who makes League community toxic. Uninstall then ungrateful kid for all I care.
Eodin (EUW)
: How are Newbies supposed to learn the Game without masteries and runes?
just buy the lv 2 runes for 1 IP each in november comes the new rune system and everything will be free.
Adam Blaze (EUNE)
: "Error 500"
Im getting the same error as well
kjono1 (EUW)
: I never downvoted you I have just woken up and seen the message. The random factor is based on the free to play champs and the ones you own, not every single champ in the game So if you don't own a large number of champs, or range of type of champs you won't get a large variety. Reroll works the same way, you reroll to another owned champ (or one in the free to play)
That message was for the 1 who down voted me for no reason. Sorry if that was not you. I own all the champions so it still does not make sense why I keep getting the same 10-20 champs
: This is not true . I keep getting the same champs over and over again. Got 3 {{champion:48}} in a row. Each game I started either got him as first or rerolled another melee tank and got him again. The random factor is broken. Meanwhile the enemy gets OP champs.
Yeah downvote me . It sure will change the truth {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
kjono1 (EUW)
: Well if they ban zed, hecarim and Evelyn, whilst there at it can they also ban garen, and Teemo, and amumu, and fizz, and ekko and Jax, and kata, and malzahar and veigar and Susan, and fiddle etc. That's why urf is a problem, there's champs that you'll constantly get, and hence affects anyone who tries anything different, whereas ARURF, gives you variety, and the chance to get other champs, without every game being almost the same 10 champs over and over again.
This is not true . I keep getting the same champs over and over again. Got 3 {{champion:48}} in a row. Each game I started either got him as first or rerolled another melee tank and got him again. The random factor is broken. Meanwhile the enemy gets OP champs.
Wise Alien (EUNE)
: Lag problems
I got the same problem. This problem started since last week.
Wombo Jax (EUW)
: how the hell do i deal with bronze
Well it does not matter which ELO you play on, there are games which are unwinnable. The only thing you can improve is your skill. Try playing as many champions as possible in normals to learn their skill set and weaknesses. Ignore ranked for a while (for a few hundred games). When you come back later you will notice how easy it is to climb. Try to main few champions watch professional guides, builds, videos how to do certain tricks and so on. If you tilt leave the game and come back later. (frustration only leads to defeat and reports)
: Incredible raise in toxicity levels?
I was silver for 1 and half season the most toxic people I met were from there. Low gold was also full of boosted toxic people. Now that Dynamic queue got introduced (not only the premade option but the role selection), made it way easier to climb ranked for noobs. Now you can find low silver, bronze mentality players in your curent rank, thats why you feel it became more toxic. (it did not, only the new gold is the new bronze/silver)
moonborn (EUW)
: im very very slowly climbing through silver 2 to gold, right now close to gold 4 as a support.. what i can say, there is so far no difference for me between silver and gold. i used to play only normals and i had never ever seen such a horrible attitude people have towards the game. yesterday was one of the most unlucky days for me. 6 games, 2 wins, 4 losses. the worst part is that 3 out of those 4 losses were due to somebody dying 3-4 times in mid/top and then LEAVING a game. while the rest of lanes were in fact doing quite well. just literally a rage quit is something i never encountered even playing normals. Is this maybe some sort of thing that happens in low gold in the weekends ?
4 losses is not even that bad. Had 8 loss in a row last season. (very bad teams and lot of trolls). The reason there are more toxic players is because kids have more free time during weekend . (other part of the week mostly dedicated players play the game who wants to win , be it friendly or toxic)
: My observation of Bronze/Silver/Low Gold level and mentality.
Always try to improve yourself if you plan on climbing. You cant change your teammates, you can only improve your winrate by yourself. Dynamic queu is there for a reason, find some friends who you enjoy playing together (real life friends or people you met online). Not only it makes it slightly easier to work together with people but also makes the game that much more enjoyable. Since you are a support main try finding an adc main to group up with. (and maybe a jungler) I was plat V last season, I climbed rank with both solo and duo queu. This method worked for me pretty well. Also try playing every champion, so you can get a feel of them. Its much easier to outplay someone if you know how champion works. Also try maining champions. In my case I started to main champions that are good at multiple roles. Example : Volibear (he can go top, jungle, support) Also never forget this you can always improve. Many people think highly of themselves just because they reached Gold V or Plat V. Every tier V is the lowest skill floor on each level. Gold V might be better then most silver players or just got boosted and cant fall division. Every division has good players no matter their tier. Some players hate playing ranked and still have skill the challange people above their tier. Normal games area great way to improve your skill and much less frustrating, if you loose a game for whatever reason. Supports have it rough since you have to work together with someone else on lane. (in most cases enemy botlane is premade and that makes it even harder to do well as 2 random players vs premade). Decent solo players starts at Plat (also Gold 1). At least it was my experience from last year. (the only games where i felt, its not only up to me to carry, I got carried a lot there as a Gold I that time). Now that Dynamic queu got introduced with role selection. The skill level changed a lot, its much easier to climb ranked now. (less frustrating) Thats my experience from the past 3 seasons. Good luck mate you will be gold in no time . {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Jogge502 (EUNE)
: Best screen ever!
Whats the point of red paint though ? xD (it does not cover every name)
Azure9861 (EUW)
: Are people using Dynamic Queue as an excuse for them sucking?
Yes and also they use it as an excuse to be toxic. Example Lee sin dying 1 vs 5 in enemy jungle (top side) while we take drake and he starts flaming. I told him to stop going solo and group up. Then he starts blaming us that premades work together against him. (mind you we were 3 man premade the 4th guy was solo, and he had a brain to go with the team and work together with us) we won that game. (obviously not because of that lee )
karolmo (EUW)
: People only being able to play one role is not good. If their main gets banned they're fucked :D
The only place where you could play only 1 role was team builder. (it was normal mode not ranked)
Tarolock (EUW)
: the only thing that changed in the queue is that the chat went silent, its not full of ppl raging about their lane/champ/others moms/etc oh and that i can get in games instantly as supp :D
yeah now they usually wait untill ingame to start flaming. :D
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=MrBreaktime,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=JKZ1heIB,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-26T11:48:20.672+0000) > > Do you have to be this rude and stating the obvious ? Noone will stay in your range (with a brain) for eternity so you can proc your E that many times. Burst damage and damage over time is 2 very different thing. By your logic Amumu W can 1 shot people. Im sayin his W is unreliable it is his main damage source not the E . Im a Malzahar main with over 300 games with him, I know what Im talking about. You can have 900000000 games with him, still he got rework, and you know nothing about him now. Im telling you, reseting his dot is the key for doing damage, so you need to save your silence for it. It buffs your W damage, and makes it much more reliable- simply by buffing your voidlings. You waste your silence, and that was useful before - to get another stack for summoning voidling. This way your E drops, and you have nothing left. Learn to adapt.
I know everything about him and he sucks. (unintentionally I presume) Learn to adapt. So I should just accept that he is ruined when he could be corrected. He was perfect before. Since you are focusing on bashing me for no real reason, go fun yourself.
: ***
Do you have to be this rude and stating the obvious ? Noone will stay in your range (with a brain) for eternity so you can proc your E that many times. Burst damage and damage over time is 2 very different thing. By your logic Amumu W can 1 shot people. Im sayin his W is unreliable it is his main damage source not the E . Im a Malzahar main with over 300 games with him, I know what Im talking about.
Noxxarian (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kjelldor,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=JKZ1heIB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-25T21:08:46.089+0000) > > But it's not random. They attack the nearest enemy unless someone is being targetted by malefic visions or nether grasp, which both have a set amount of time they are active. Don't the voidlings still attack the target malzahar is attacking as well?
They dont. Thats the problem. They only attack the target if E is on or R but since both of their damage got cut down. Most targets just walk away without much problem.
Kjelldor (EUW)
: But it's not random. They attack the nearest enemy unless someone is being targetted by malefic visions or nether grasp, which both have a set amount of time they are active.
they ignore the enemy champion they were hitting a moment ago just to farm a random minion. I dont know any other champion whose main damage does not hit the right target.
Rioter Comments
: Should some champions be completely banned for the URF game mode?
{{champion:114}} is the mos unfun champ to play against in URF. She got a 0,5 sec dash with built in true damage, combined with his W that functions like {{champion:105}} E. And {{champion:105}} is already unfun. Saw her go 1 vs 5 and win in urf. Twice the same day in 2 different games.
KMS Enoch (EUNE)
: Who is your one trick pony champion and why? Let's share our champion thoughts
{{champion:90}} I started playing league in season 4, after I reached lv 30 I decided to try out ranked. I got silver 2 right after my first 10 ranked games. I was happy at that time and decided to only play normals to get better in the game. By the end of season 4 I was silver 1 70 lp. Failed to reach gold that season but all was well since I reached gold easily next season. I used to be a tank main. (top, jungle, support) As time passed I noticed that I like to play as mid laner better then tanks. (only played tanks, because I had success with them). I was more and more experienced in the game and as everyone else I noticed champions that are unfun/unskilled to play against like : {{champion:84}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:55}} . I needed a champion that can obliterate these champions. Thats when I found malzahar his ult worked similar to warwick yet he was a mage. He was never broken or weak (he was strong in the right hands) , he was an anti assassin mage that can waveclear pretty well. I started to use him more and more. I brought him everywhere top mid support adc. And got like 80 % winrate with him in ranked. (by that time I played around 200 games with him). I reached plat thanks to him. Now that he got reworked everyone started bitching about him being op. He was banned from almost every game, he became noob friendly on lower elo (he was always a good champ except noone noticed it). Now his playstyle is unreliable. Example I had a game where I was 1 vs 2 next to drake pit. I killed one of them and my minions started to farm the damn scuttle crab and I died because of that. Now he lacks the necessary damage to burst people. (except when you have minions up). But even if I only started to play him because he was good pick. I would not have used him for so long If I did not think he was a cool evil champ. (evil all the way)
: you can get multiple shards with the same champ so that one is invalid. also you can play with a team because u still get a chest is one of your premades get an S and so on there are many ways for otps
You can only get 1 chest / champion each season. But you can get chest if your premade gets, S if you never got a chest before on that champion.
: Every champ is weak until LCS or some other pro plays it. Then, suddenly, everyone become the wiser and lament that the champ is OP. Viktor was subject to this more than once. Before his E was nerfed, almost none wold have ever said that it was OP. Then it was picked in pro play and bang, damage/waveclear nerf. Now he got even more damage, but it's more difficult to deal it. The moment someone learn how to proc it efficiently, possibly by getting help from their team (you know, this is a team game after all), Viktor will immediatly become OP again and everyone will swear to have known that from day one. Guarantee.
I agree with you on most part, but lets be honest i should not require a premade team to do well with a champion that is designed for solo lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=MrBreaktime,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=PsozbnEX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-16T22:46:28.093+0000) > > He used to be 1 of my mains. He was never op or weak, he was the definition of balanced. He was a squishy burst mage who could blow up squishy targets. Any assassin could counter him. > > Why would I be kidding ? Any Viktor main can see he is bad now. > > Mind you Im not challanger, I can only talk from experience up to plat. > > Have you played with him these days ? Have you played with him before ? Or you just had one bad game and lost to him hard ? Every Viktor main was mad at first, but now they realize this introduced more counterplay while not ruining his feel, because his damage is higher.
There is a difference they simply got ignored and gave up. More counterplay ? (he never needed more counterplay) Viktor is all about his E . (his signature skill) Now everyone can just dodge it simply by walking.
: Kappa He has more burst than before xD
So now that anyone can dodge 50 % of his old damage, it makes him more bursty ? You sir are liar.
Pessimist (EUW)
: What victor weak? Kidding me right?
He used to be 1 of my mains. He was never op or weak, he was the definition of balanced. He was a squishy burst mage who could blow up squishy targets. Any assassin could counter him. Why would I be kidding ? Any Viktor main can see he is bad now. Mind you Im not challanger, I can only talk from experience up to plat. Have you played with him these days ? Have you played with him before ? Or you just had one bad game and lost to him hard ?
Rioter Comments
: Even if premades would really and absolutely and always have an advantage, it would be nigh to impossible to demonstrate, which actually makes this one of the best excuses when it comes to blame RioT, the game or god only knows what for any random loss. It does not help the fact that, arguably, given that player X is facing a premade, if he lost, it's because there was a premade, if he wins, it's like the premade was not even there to being with. In other words: Loss -> "WTF RioT i was again 5 man premade they got so advantage cause they conspire against me in curse and gank me non stop how is that fair! This game is utterly dead for sure!!!" Win -> Does not give a f@@k and thinks he is so pro My experience tell me that, if a player is bad and a lot actually are, he may be telepathic, have Faker on his side to give him advices, or be at the phone with the his whole team and with a mole in the enemy one, he will still be bad. The opposite is also true: a good player knows exactly what to do and when to go given the situation, and if you are in doubt, a ping can sometimes be more than enough to be sure about it.
Finally someone with a brain. It makes no difference if your team is premade noobs or solo noobs, you loose either way if that happens. The good players will climb the bad wont, this never changed.
rozoulini (EUNE)
: ive played him many times already not a problem maybe u missclick R 2 times?
I was smashing my keyboard for straight 5 minutes. Also clicking on it does not help. Then its randomly fixed like nothing happaned. The ult is not on cd and I had enough mana. I regularly play with Velkoz (around 40 - 50 games) and only had this problem 1 year ago, but that day velkoz got removed from the game to fix the issue.
Rioter Comments
: Urf is online :D
Why am i being downvoted ? Its enabled in EUNE
: URF countdown timer
: SUPORT ROLE IS UNFAIR BALANCED WE LOSE 1 ITEM SLOT ALMOST EVERY GAME:!!!!!!
Gotta love all the idiots telling you its alright not to have a 6th item. (there is late game people when everyone got full build) This problem is not only problem for Supports any other role you play where your team is stupid not to buy a pink ward against invisible enemy (yeah overfed Vayne not gonna kill itself), you have to do it. (be it mid, top, jungler, adc, support) The old warding system was way better. The new ward system also ruined mid for immobile mages since they cant ward properly. (expect the campfire in the bush)
CJXander (EUNE)
: First of all, change the pool second option to be "I disagree with you, but for a reason". I do not play Vayne at all, i don't even own her, but i know how it works and the mechanics behind the champion. The reason i do not agree with you is because you were simply into the disadvantage of being melee vs ranged. From my own experience i can take out easily ANY melee top laner with Thunderlord Lulu, but late game i become sitting duck to that champ if it gets a decent farm and i get zoned. Now before jumping into conclusions you should consider that every range has that advantage top over a melee. An Ashe or Caitlyn can always wipe the floor with Illaoi early game.
so even if I was full build and she was building full ap she should defeat me because she is ranged ? Its not about melee vs ranged its about fed vs a feeder where the feeder is stronger.
: I think you shoudnt jump into conclusions after that match. Here is why... Illaoi s kit isnt good example on measuring how strong Vayne is, bcs she can avoid literally every abbilitie of yours. Every matchup where you are playing mele champ against ranged one will be some kind of you struggling to CS while your opponent is free harrasing you. If you laned againts Quinn for exmple the situation would be kinda the same. It would be nice if you had that 1v1 recorded, bcs if she dodged all of your abbilities or most of them and if you gave her enough time, she would auto atack you to death, like every other ADC...in that situation. Another thing if they nerfed Vayne she would be unplayable, even now she is struggling hard to survive laning phase ( in bot lane ) where people are playing high burst caster adc-s and if you arent mehanicly very good and arent avoiding most of their poke you will end up dead of really behind in CS and items on mid game. So I think Vayne is in allright spot right now. She s designed to for bursting high HP targets...
We are talking about the same guy who went 0 8 0 on lane, so no her skills were not better then mine . Thats the problem though. She is more viable top then as an adc. Her adc needs a buff and top a nerf.
: You say right that you could not farm well meaning she must have got much more cs than you during the lane phase. Also, the fact that she doesn't get assists/kills at all means that the value of you killing her is small. If vayne had 100 cs, 0/8/0 and you were 50 cs 8/0/0, she's probably only behind by 1-2k gold. Less than 1 item. In reality she wasn't too far behind and she out played you. Like the person before me said, you need to buy mainly armor items and not things like sterak. Final note: Vayne is meant to destroy tanks/juggernauts!
We had same farm early game. (she had more farm after I killed her I got some time to CS in peace, during this time i managed to even it) After destroying the 2nd tower I went pushing mid.
: Oh snap, why a lategame ranged ADC like Vayne can kill me, possibly while dodging practically everything i may shot at her cause i'm {{champion:420}}, even though she lost the lane? Something may be wrong and it's obviously RioT's fault!
She was not weak early game. I barely managed to kill her each time she jumped on me (I survived each fight with 50 - 100 hp). She was strong early and with full build ( got blade of the ruin king) she deleted me.
: the main point was really that she had 200 minion kills that she's plat V is as much filler as the hunger game reference. I don't really see how that's much different from other adcs in top lane like quinn for example.
Quinn is also very toxic but she does not deal % true damage. I doubt a feeder quinn could defeat an overfed Juggernaut/Tank.
: Please do change the poll to include the option of: "I disagree with you, but for a reason". That reason being: It's Vayne. For real. Vayne is one of those few champions who can fight people even if she lose in lane. This is especially true for top, because when people get fed top, they tend to build damage/HP items (Steraks Gage, Titanic Hydra etc.), all of which increases the true damage that she deals to you. It is same with Mordekaiser, who, with a bit of help from his team, can use your fed carry or super tank against you, even if he went 0/10 in lane. A thing you can do to counter her is just rush some armor. Frozen hearth and Iceborn Gauntlet are both GODLIKE against Vayne, giving both armor and utility. And if you need damage, try and get Tiamat early, then get the Iceborn, finish Ravenous Hydra and then, when you are out of laning phase, get the HP/Damage items you need to fight the enemy team. Tell your team that you can't deal with Vayne alone, and I'm sure you'll have either a fighter. assassin or support who will gladly jump on the face of an 0/8 Vayne.
Its still broken to kill people when anyone sees your score and think you are an intentional feeder. Its broken and toxic for the game. Why should we need 2 people for a 0 8 0 champion.
: What were the farmed creep scores of you two at the Moment of that fight?
Around the same probably. I was not CS ing during Mid game instead we took mid tower and inhibitor . Thats why Im behind farm.
: Well she killed 200 minions and is a Plat V. Also she kinda was in a movie because she's so good at archery. Oh also at least end game you had the exact same amount of farm at least going by thousands (11k)
What does being a plat V have to do with anything ? I was plat V as well. She managed to shut down fed people with blade of the ruin king alone.
: doesn't matter, vayne should lose early. but i mean if she killed more minions then u its kinda normal she can stil 1v1 u
The thing is I barely managed to survive each fight. with like 50 -100 hp. So no her early game is not weak she sh'its on any melee early as well.
Sefi (EUNE)
: Heh, i play vayne top frequently and i can say, yeah kinda. Maybe not her specifically more like her items need tuning?
Im not saying to gut her just to make it fair on top and compensate her in other way so she does not fall behind.
Rioter Comments
: *insert Thank you gif*
Chill and enjoy the {{champion:119}} . Probably they will release URF tomorrow. Today is april 1st of course they troll.
: It only can detonate after reaching location where he must. You can't detonate it when u launch at the same time.
but if it must leave the circle to detonate then the 2nd part of the skill is not true. By the way before that I had no problem with the q even got an S rank with him.
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