Rioter Comments
: "there are games you can't win" "there are games you can't lose" yes, "pros" will lose some games in lower divisions, you can't win everything but you said it in your first post "messi" would be an amateur if football would have league rules and now you are telling me that "There may be exceptionally good players that can be capable of that". No, there's no exceptionally good players. A long time ago I was gold 3. I made another account on EuNe. What elo did I get? gold 3.............................. why?.................. because that was the average of my skill level, game knowledge and so on. The system is that in such a way that a player of certain rank, will reach it again if he or she puts enough time in it. If your friend really reached diamond with his own skill sets and wasn't boosted/helped in other ways, he could do it again. Or maybe right now he isn't motivated or is tilting on his smurf. I had NO PROBLEM CRUSHING. silver 1, gold 5, gold 4 and gold 3 teams when I was around that elo. In my first year, I only got to s1 and after that a lot of failed try hard to g5. Second year I trashed almost all teams until gold 3, then I reach g1, then I drooped to g4, then I crushed people again until g2-g1. And still made it to p4. I got another smurf on EuW, atm lv26. Playing mostly bots games because I don't want pvp there. From time to time I get other smurfs in my team, I recognize it by their playstyle. Sometimes I ask their elo. And then I get answers such as I'm p2, I'm p1. And I'm simply surprised at just how much better than me they are. So, when I hear that an actual player from dia can't climb up to at least high plat, I'm laughing. Its either a guy/girl that was boosted or someone that's heavily trolling on the other account. The skill difference between p5-p4 and p2-p1 is really big...... and that guy is on diamond and can't get out of g5? yeh right **ps: this game evolves and changes with almost every patch because most of us lack insane mechanically skills, we get high in rankings with game knowledge as our foundation.** If such a player takes a long break from the game and doesn't update him or herself on the news. They will perform much worse. And, as a result, drop in ranks. Because their "game knowledge" dropped. So their average between skill level, game knowledge, luck and social skills dropped too
I'm serious dude, about the friend thingy. Maybe he bought the other acount, maybe he got boosted but i dunno. I also have friends that I thought how to play this game, i showed them everything, and they still make so many dumb mistakes when playing with them and they are higher elo than me. Not to mention that if someone considers me toxic, they must consider them abominations, cause they actually tilt every single time they play solo. When we duo, I'm actually the one carrying them, from a lower division. I play customs with my friends which are from gold to plat , and we sometimes play vs full dia/challenger teams, and we still win some. It isn't accurate, i'm telling you. And don't take it like i'm butthurt that people are higher divs than me and that i'd think i deserve better, because i have no intention to say or prove that. I'm just saying that it is really random most of the time.
Kolfin (EUW)
: ??? None of them are "messi" if they lost 6 or 4 games ... You need a perfect 10/10 for me to be called "messi". If you are still in gold but were plat before, maybe it's because of your lack of logic. > I played lee sin which i'm not so accustomed to and urgot XD Yeah, when it's not the fault of the teamates, it's because you played the "wrong" champions ... Blamming the others is something you do a lot ? WIth lee and urgot, it's "Messi" who played without shoes, so he lost the game ... but it's still _Messi_ ... i get it.
I am not blaming anyone wtf .... [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUK8VL2oIBY)
Kolfin (EUW)
: _You_ will not be able to "see" why. > I gave objective examples, not subjective examples. You gave stupid examples. Because you just give the WORST CASE SCENARIO in your original topic : the "Messi" who are the most unlucky player in the server vs the "unskilled guys" who get carried in 100 % of their games ! Return to reality please ! Between this two, there are MANY OTHERS scenarii ! And you wrote that post after a 6 loses streak in ranked ... coincidence ? I think not : it's _denial_.
Even if the messi won 4 out of 10 games and the amateur 6/10 games, the current system would still consider the amateur better :) Oh and about my loss streak, i totally assume my loses. I played lee sin which i'm not so accustomed to and urgot XD
Silisa (EUNE)
: > Now let's try to have a rational discussion without trying to jump one another and talk about what div/league is which. What's the fun in that? xD > If you have the option to duo, and you can play with better players than you, they will eventually boost your elo a bit. Yes, a bit. But a fellow player can only carry you so far. A diamond won't be able to carry a bronze or silver player all the way to diamond. They'll get as far as gold, maybe plat (but even that's stretching it). Ability to adapt and work with different people that you don't know is part of individual skill. It's not just game knowledge and mechanics. The ability to help others help you carry is also a part of someones skill. Also, duoQing is overrated. I am seriously considering dropping my carry in the next season. We've been playing together since season 3, but his toxicity levels have been off the charts lately.
> Yes, a bit. But a fellow player can only carry you so far. A diamond won't be able to carry a bronze or silver player all the way to diamond. They'll get as far as gold, maybe plat (but even that's stretching it). But still, it is a whole league even maybe two. That's a pretty big gap imo. >Ability to adapt and work with different people that you don't know is part of individual skill. It's not just game knowledge and mechanics. The ability to help others help you carry is also a part of someones skill. Indeed it is. But i have another riddle for you. What if a certain individual is better at certain roles and worse at other. His performance will also be higher or lower depending on how many chances he got at playing his main role and how many times he had to play his worst role. How about in that case ? Cause that is pretty random.
Kolfin (EUW)
: > how elo doesn't really show your skill level. It does, you are wrong. > I dunno why you're trying to jump on me like that lol Because you are wrong. So someone have to tell you that. > I didn't say or try to prove that You did. But all the "examples" you wrote just prove you don't know anything on this topic.
I don't know what you're trying to say, but it looks like gibberish to me. I gave objective examples, not subjective examples. I'm not butthurt about the elo range i'm in right now, i'm content with it, i'm not trying to say that i deserve better. I'm just trying to see why people think that elo is an accurate representation of their skill level.
: Nop, so why do you get upset when people dont follow you? Maybe they have a different opinion of what is the "right call" at that moment. there have been plenty of times when I facepalmed myself for following anothers call that I thought was bad, and turned out bad in the end. You can only make suggestions for your team. If they follow it, great. If they don't, think of something else.
But then how can i be sure that the team will vote me as a captain and not someone worse than me at shot-calling ? What do they base the voting on ? That's what i'm trying to say
: IF elo is so fucked up, why do LCS (or diamond) people sometimes make videos of "from bronze to diamond" and it usually takes them ~1week or so to get back to dia+ ? maybe players in high elo got smurfs they got themselves in high elo again for the sole purpose of proving that if you are good at this game, you will eventually get on your high elo rank "eventually" because luck is still involved. As some games you just can't win and others you just can't lose. But even so, if you are really good at this game (knowledge of the game, mechanical skill, social skills), then you can easily get diamond. If your game knowledge = trash, you will probably stay bronze or silver forever. Even if you have mechanics of plat+ players. Actually nop, people said that mechanics alone can get you up to high plat-low dia elo. So, if you were "skilled" you would be at least plat 2+. I admit, I'm bad. I miss alot of skill shots, I get caught a lot, I throw a lot of games for childish reasons and I very rarely carry games. But I still got so far because I've put time in this game, because I understand why X or Y is happening and got a decent game knowledge. I'm a bit lucky, I admit that. But luck alone wasn't the only thing that got me so far.............. or maybe it was, hmm
There may be exceptionally good players that can be capable of that, but they are exceptions. There still are videos out there of pros getting owned in lower divs tho. But in most cases players wouldn't be able to do that , at least not in a fast period of time. I know this is personal example, but i'm pretty sure that it applies to most of the dudes. I have a friend that is in Diamond on his original account and has a smurf in gold V, and he just can't climb with it. He's even struggling in gold V. So tell me, if he has a diamond account and a gold account that he cannot boost higher than gold, is he as skilled as a gold player or as a diamond because it gets confusing . There are really bad players that cannot climb from bronze, and there are really good players that can climb easy as in your examples with the streamers that climb. But for the vast majority, their div/league doesn't say much about their skill tbh. Let's give myself for an example. I used to be platinum last season, then i dropped to gold due to elo decay , and it took me one whole year to get back up in platinum. Does that mean that in the period that i was gold between last season and now when i'm platinum again I was worse skill-wise, in your opinion ?
: > [{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=LpFq3gaN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-24T13:56:08.779+0000) > > Well depends on what you understand with " cooperate " . > > Because from personal experience, when you make the right calls, and people don't follow, they are the ones not cooperating. > > Otherwise should you do what ? Cooperate and not take objectives at the right moment because you need to do what others do ? Is that called cooperation ? Well i never had the patience or motivation to do rankeds, ut wouldnt that problem be solved if you had the Option to Vote for a team captain in the champ select? would be nice if something like that existed. :)
Vote for a team captain based on what ? Randomness ? That would be pretty much chaos imo, and wouldn't solve anything tbh, because people can't be forced to follow someone's commands
Kolfin (EUW)
: You gave _one_ of the worst example. Just to end your post by "that's how the system works !". Without talking about the others scenarii. As a D&D player, it's like you rolled a dice three times and get three "fumble" (1,1,1) for "Messi" and 3 perfect rolls for a random unskilled player ... , just to have this conclusion : "Oh look at this, everytime Messi roll a dice, he gets "1" ... : _That's how the system works !_ Nope. Every players end at their elo range. Even the one who can't stand this fact.
I dunno why you're trying to jump on me like that lol. I didn't say or try to prove that, i'm just giving examples on how elo doesn't really show your skill level.
Kolfin (EUW)
: You are "Messi" in this story, right ? You wrote all this post just to show the "Messi" is not able to be at his true elo because of his teamates. But you forget two things : 1/ Afkers are in the ennemy team TOO. 2/ You are NOT "Messi" in this game. The game is not full of "Unlucky messi" and "lucky no skill players". It's more complex that that.
I just gave an example, i'm not in the story at all.
: The most important problem about this is League being a 5v5 game. People that bitch about this the most are absolutely unable to cooperate with their team, then proceed about talking how they "can't carry alone". Yes. You are right. You cannot carry alone. That's why there are 5 of us. Try to cooperate.
Well depends on what you understand with " cooperate " . Because from personal experience, when you make the right calls, and people don't follow, they are the ones not cooperating. Otherwise should you do what ? Cooperate and not take objectives at the right moment because you need to do what others do ? Is that called cooperation ?
Rioter Comments
Silisa (EUNE)
: People like you never cease to amaze me. Also, I find **comparing** a rager who is threatening people with murder **with** talking to a girl offensive.
Threatening people with murder ? Are you delusional ? He doesn't even know who you are. Worrying that he'll murder you in that case would be just as dumb as getting happy if he'd say that he'll give you one million dollars .
Bombardox (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6xm4BKcr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-24T03:47:44.277+0000) > > Get over it you sensitive dandelion . > > God .... > > I wonder if people like you reproduce . > > If you're so offended by that , how the hell will you ever get the balls to talk to a girl ? > > Wait, let's say you will, but what will you do if you'd actually get rejected by one ? Suicide ? Hang yourself ? > > Seriously . Get a freaking life its a question , alot of people flame so hard in champ select , and they never do in game , so the thing i want to know if the rioters see the champion select chat too ? chill dude whats wrong ?
I don't think that anyone can see that, and I also don't think anyone will do anything even if you'd send a ticked with the image because you can easily photoshop that.
Rioter Comments
: I wanna see more ribbons because not everyone is offensive player and they need credit for that :)
I did have two ribbons, one for teamwork and one for honorable opponent. Got removed due to some chat bans that i got. and then got all my honors which were many, reset. Apparently Riot thinks that a few games in which you start getting mad at players who intentionally ruin your game experience is more important than hundreds of games in which you get constantly honored by others. And let's keep in mind that it is much easier to get reported than to get honored.
: Why do people think being higher rank gives them authority and superiority?
ITT : People thinking that a rank based on win/lose in a 5v5 team game actually accurately points out your skill level. Trying to accurately point out your individual skill level based exclusively on win/lose ratios in a team game is funny to any human being who can use logic to comprehend how stupid that sounds but whatever.
: > You are what you know, not what you think. Ok, this is creepy. Just yesterday I started preparing a thread about exactly that, the title being "You are not your thoughts". I think the meaning is different, but still, quite a coincidence. I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, except for that part about leagues. In fact they were created to take some pressure away. Before the leagues existed you were able to see your current elo at all times. So if you lost a game, BAM, you just lost 20 elo...20 elo that might be the difference between silver and gold. Humans have a very bad intuitive feeling about statistics, thats why a lot of player overestimated the impact of individual lost games instead of focusing on the big picture. This lead to some people being afraid of playing ranked and stopping it completely, because they were afraid they might lose some games and ruin their elo that way. The league system hides the elo and just shows you a system that is waaaay less vulnerable to individual games, which takes a lot of pressure away. But of course I get your point: For some people it's super important to get that shiny platinum border and they through hell and back to get it. But I am afraid your good advice not to identify with your rank might not work for some people. For many people LoL is more than just a game...and thats not just a random decision, there are psychological reasons for that. First of all, many of us have a strong social network in LoL. We are social beings and what our peers think about us is important to us. Should it be about our rank? Of course not. But it's quite reliable way to get recognition from your peers, so it's understandable why people think it's important. Secondly for many people the real life simply does not provide the same possibilities for recognition, social status and success. There are definetely better things to base your self esteem on than a game...but sometimes thats not so easy, for some (or maybe even many) people this is very difficult. And it's still better they get their self esteem from a game instead of having no self esteem at all. I still agree with you, your self esteem shouldn't base on your rank in LoL. What I'm trying to say is that it can be very hard for people to just turn this feeling off.
I know, but you know what i did at a certain point. I've said to myself, f*ck it. I'm not my rank. So i started playing without actually caring if i win or lose. I said to myself that i'll end up in silver. At least then when I'll play 5v5 ranked teams, people will think that i'm just a silver and then i'll have no pressure on me because they will think from the start that i will play bad. Rather than being diamond/challenger and everyone assuming that you will play perfectly. And i stopped feeling the pressure to get back to the game and raise my elo. I started caring more about other things life related.
Silisa (EUNE)
: This reminds me of my time in the educational system - especially high school and University. Many students claimed that "_your grade doesn't determine the amount of knowledge you have_", and that people with low grades can know a lot about a certain subject too. What's off about that theory is that - if you get 3 questions on an exam and fail to answer any of them, you do not know a whole lot about that subject. As for LoL - you can have a lot of theoretical knowledge, but be bad mechanically. Or simply be bad at decision making, and make mistakes during game deciding moments. Or just be really good at tilting - you play well, really well, but make one mistake and you spiral (like Huni). All those and more are factors that decide what elo you will be. > You are what you know, not what you think. True. A bronze player usually **thinks** he has the skill for platinum or diamond. > Your our elo isn't who you are ! True. But it does show how good you are at this game. Which is the whole point of elo, or rank.
> True. But it does show how good you are at this game. Which is the whole point of elo, or rank. That's what it made you think, it is a certain difference between a diamond player and a bronze player. And there are differences in ranked 5v5's , because that's what this game is focused on. But in soloQ there's a lot of luck involved also. I used to be platinum at a point, then i dropped to gold V, people were saying that i belong in gold V, that it was my true elo, now i'm back in plat, now they would say that this is my true elo and i cannot get higher. It is bullshit. It changes, and it depends on a lot of factors. Especially when you duo, when you duo with another good player you have much bigger chances to climb than if you'd solo. Now please explain my dilemma. If two players make new accounts, and one of them is really bad, and the other one is really good. And they only play duo, never solo. Where will they end ? Because in the mentality of most posters on this forums, a good player will carry himself up no matter what, and a bad player will eventually get to his true low elo...
: Well, since you disagree with what the owners of the game like, how about you start your own moba? With blackjack and hookers. Where anyone will be allowed to flame as much as they want. You can even have option "report for playing badly" and ban all those unskilled scrubs! But as long as you don't own the place, either play by the rules or get bent.
But i never said that i want people who play badly to be banned. I think the best punishment for people who do bad is already being flamed by the others. It is enough, and it is pretty harmless in my eyes. If there is no negativity when you do something bad , then you will never evolve. You will keep doing stupid things thinking that it's good. Because there's nothing bad happening to you at all .
Silisa (EUNE)
: On one hand, you are right. On the other - people have the right to be bad at this game. We are not obligated to be good. If Riot started kicking out all the bad players, most of us wouldn't be here any more - cause even the good players can have bad games.
Man i know, i`m not a flaming monster as most of the dudes consider me. I even had some random games with some people that were disagreeing with me on the forums and they ended up playing duo with me. I tolerate, i tolerate a lot, if someone is playing bad, i'm trying to help him first, and explain things, if he doesn't cooperate and acts cocky after i try to help him, then screw him.
: >Okay. Now let's compare us two. >. >I hate players who ruin my games ( play really bad, do stupid mistakes, intentionally feed, afk, leave ) >. >You hate players who flame ( type insults or different "offensive" stuff in the chat ) Whats with the dichotomy? I neither like flamers nor do I like feeders/afks/people-who-try-ap-zed-in-ranked-cuz-yolo. Sorry, but that's one of the oldest tricks in the rethorical book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma >I don't understand, why would you get mad if someone says something to you that is not true ? We don't get mad. We simply don't want to have such people around. In real life, this is easy to achieve, because people have an identity and need to be physically present. Its easy to avoid "toxic" people in real life: They don't get invited, they are fired if they behave that way in the workplace, people stop talking and interacting with them. In an online game, this is not possible, because: Everyone is anonymous, so no personal responsibility, and we don't have a say who we play with, unless we team up as 5...and even then we have no say in who we want to play against. Therefore, another way was found to not having to tolerate toxic players in our games. I am competitive. And I am not toxic. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I'm making the comparison from a flamers perspective. In that example i'm the flamer. I use the comparison just to show you what triggers me to flame and what triggers you guys to hate flaming so much. I know and understand that you people also hate what I hate. > They don't get invited, they are fired if they behave that way in the workplace, people stop talking and interacting with them. Everyone keeps repeating this, without sitting a minute and thinking about it. It is not like what happens in our case. Because at the workplace, if one of your colleagues ruins your work in any way, you can contact your boss and complain about it and in most of the cases he will fire that dude. Because he doesn't let you accomplish your goal. So why would you start "flaming" him if you have something that you can do about it. In LoL you can't do anything about it. Except if there is proof that the dude does it intentionally, which is really hard to prove.
: I hate anyone that ruins games and being an ass in the chat knowing that many people wont mute said asshole means half my team is going to be arguing thanks to said asshole. As for playing badly thats not an issue its not their fault however deciding to be an asshole is a choice you could just say nothing. Personally if i encounter a "flamer" they will be both muted and reported.
But what makes you want to report the flamer instead of doing nothing has the exact same psychological trigger that makes a player want to flame instead of saying nothing.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
420 (EUNE)
: Removing the Chat?
I have a better idea. How about everyone that agrees with you, just stops playing multiplayer games ? And go for single player games instead ? Why don't you just play with bots then ? If you don't have the balls to deal with other people no matter how kind or "toxic" they are, you don't belong in this environment . Most people that hate human interaction in multiplayer games and get offended by it , are people who get isolated in real life also. You isolate from the real world . and you hate everything that is real world related in your piece of heaven that is virtual reality. But there's still a thing that's left unchanged in this part of virtual reality also. It's the ability to interact with others. So you hate that also. What you people actually want is everyone to be kind to you no matter what you do. And that's basically impossible. I'm pretty sorry for those kind of people. If you need any counseling, don't hesitate to contact me, i will maybe enlighten you on how to stop being a neckbeard and to face the real world .
Ghadren (EUW)
: Tips for getting back into league after a long hiatus.
Protip : Don't go for rankeds if you didn't get used to the game already. Protip 2 : Watch a couple of streamers play, you'll learn much faster that way. Protip 3 : Try not to blame flamers for your own lack of coordination and skill.
Rioter Comments
Nerebis (EUW)
: Everyone Can Use Wards - Vision Is Not The Support's Job
Thats why i keep my yellow trinket when I play support and upgrade sightstone asap. So i`ll usually end up with 4 wards from the ruby sightstone and 2 wards from trinket. No more warding problems. U fight in a certain position ? 3 wards to cover all the area . The fight moves to some other part of the map ? No problem 3 more wards left for that other zone.
: I doubt it. Make a custom match with 9 friends. Add an intermediate bot to your team and play. Is it better than having a real person play alongside you, someone able to read your movements and react immediately upon them? No.
But again, if 4 people vote to kick some dude out just so they can have a bot instead, it kind of means that they consider the bot to be a better option than the certain individual. Who are you to judge ?
TaigaT (EUW)
: Then go play CS:GO and I sincerely hope you will get banned from LoL. Bye.
: But they would feed. Have you played against bots? Usually a fed fiesta on the players' side and a complete stompfest. Abilities can't be judged, they'll just be fired at random. Danger can't be noticed. If you want them to be intelligent enough to stay out of danger you could just follow the bot around and be safe for days. Anyone in gold+ can handle intermediate bots easy, "hard" bots don't exist because it's not possible to program them to be harder.
Irrsinn (EUW)
: It's not just "taking it up a notch". They have to last hit, ward, fullfill their role, be abe to jungle, groupfight, know somehow when to leave their lane other than their lifebar, etc etc.
As i see it, they only have to do damage, even the slightest damage, helps more than an afk player, maybe even make the bots give no gold to eliminate the possibility of it feeding the enemy team .
: Every player from gold can take intermediate bots easy. I did it botlane 1v2. Imagine how easy a Diamond can wipe them off the board. Programming them to be harder to play versus isn't possible either. You can't replace a jungler, the routes are completely individual. A bot cannot be smart enough to replace a human being at slightly higher level of play.
I dunno man, i can think of many times in which i would have preferred a bot instead of a certain teammate .
: A bot can never replace any player in-game. It wouldn't be able to participate in strategy, techniques nor would it know what your team pleases to do (engage or run away?). Just no. Please.
It wouldn't be able to participate in strategy but it would still not intentionally feed the enemy team at least, and it will still do a bit of damage, instead of a champion staying in the pool if someone goes afk.
Irrsinn (EUW)
: Know what a bot is? A walking moneybag for the other team.
Maybe in the current state, but even in this state, intermediate bots or whatever the hardest level we currently have are not that bad actually. Still , they could notch the difficulty of the bots a bit
: Ranked solo/duo preseason (Riot please respond)
2 - Because it matters where your elo will reset from when deciding where you actually get after the first 10 games of the season . 3 - Because they are dumb and they think 2 doesn't matter.
Rioter Comments
ChiTenshi (EUW)
: Current State of Nidalee
I have a couple of cool ideas. Buff the spear, in such way that it deals additional bleed damage if the player that got hit by the spear moves. This could facilitate easier plays while in the cougar form because the enemy player is either forced to flee getting damaged by the bleed or to stay risking cougar form nida to jump on him . Her traps could be made like rope traps. You put one down, and if you put the second one in a space close to the other, it forms a line, if players pass through the line they get damaged or slowed, or both . Her heal could provide her with a movement speed boost instead of as. It helps her be the hard to catch cat she always was, and to chase down fleeing opponents.
DireXcon (EUNE)
: why not :(
Because we will hear their child voices and they will have no validation over anything they would say, thus ruining their fake internet image.
SoulBawz (EUW)
: the smith of lie deleted all his comments, can you tell me what they were about or what they were exactly :c? im curious
Just usual stuff like wishing that I would die and that i'm toxic... typical white-knight shit . Boring stuff. He kind of considers that it is bad that i flame but he also considers it to be ok for him to flame me. Illogical things man, illogical things
: > [{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=q6HORI2X,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-28T12:15:43.085+0000) > > When playing League of Legends you're putting yourself in an unknown environment. Because most of the time you'll have anonymous strangers in your team. > > Now you know how people act when they are anonymous, just look at sites where people are anonymous like 4chan for example. People go full retard when they are anonymous, they don't care about anything, because no one will ever know who said or did something. > > If you're joining LoL games and expect everyone to be nice, and you also expect players to not say anything when you fail badly or when you're the main cause of the loss, you'll have a bad time. > > Going in with this attitude that you must be protected and no one should hurt your ego is wrong, most of the time people do not care about you personally, they care about the game, when they insult/flame you, they don't do it for who you are, they do it because something you did game related, or what they apparently think you did at least . > > You never see dudes just instantly flaming when the game goes well, did you ever ? No, they have no reason to do it , because they see that they win the game and it's all good, it's all they care for. > > I played this game in a period of time in which i had severe sinusitis ( i didn't actually know what i had at that point ) . It was awful, my head was hurting like hell and i felt dizzy, i didn't exactly know what i had, and I was scared, so I thought that some games of LoL would ease the pain and will make me quit thinking about the symptoms. I wasn't playing bad as hell, but I wasn't even at 60% of how i use to play. Most of my teammates were flaming me every game, some said that I should die of cancer, etc. the usual stuff. > > But I didn't give a single crap about it . Because I was expecting it, and i knew that they only said that because of the mistakes i made in game , not for who I am as a person. > > When you're a bad chef and you make bad food, don't get mad when people spit your food and tell you that you suck at making food, because they tell you the reality, or at least their subjective opinion about your actions. They are not offended by you as a person, they are offended by the result of your actions that they actually have to suffer from ( eating the food you made / doing a mistake in game ) . Stop taking things personally and you will have a much better time. > > If you go around this game, and life in general, saying " I'm entitled to do this ... " and " You will suffer if you will hurt my ego " you'll have a bad time. > > Of course the dude that said those words to the poor guy is a retarded potato, but also the dude with leukemia or cancer or whatever he has, should have just muted the dude from the first instance when he saw his attitude, now to make a victim of himself and keep watching whatever the retarded potato was saying. > > Not to mention that the whole story might be just made up. You don't know if the dude actually has leukemia, he might just bluff it to make himself feel better and to white-knight a bit. True. But regardless of the authenticity of the post, wishing death upon someone is still wrong. If a chef makes bad food and you spit it out and tell him he sucks at cooking. Okay, that's normal. But do you say, "I'm going to rape you" or "I'll fucking murder you" or "you should just kill yourself"? The answer is no. Personally, I don't care much about flaming. Someone's doing bad? There's better ways to tell them than "I hope you get cancer, fucking noob". In a game, I was playing with an ally who had a Tristana. Near the end of the game, Trist was 3/11/0 or something. Early game, she was 0/4. Did I start flaming her? No. I told her to play safe and farm under turret. THAT'S how you should tell someone. Not, "have fun dying". I personally don't report people if they say something like "be careful noob" because that isn't so bad. But wishing death upon someone is way out of line.
But now imagine a 10 year old saying that to you ? Would you still take it into consideration that much ? You might get a bit mad at his parents for not applying the best education for him. But he's still an undeveloped child with little to no knowledge about what he's saying. You never know who the person who says that is. You might aswell get mad at a child for insulting you lel.
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I am not trying to put myself in a good light with my posts, cause if i would want that, i would post about how poros are cute and female champions are sexy and i would get thumbs up. I am talking about a problem and solutions to it, and i keep doing it even if i get hated and downvoted. Pretty selfless I'd say
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You have a disorder man : https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder
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I don't know why you bother to contradict me mate, you seem way more toxic than me . You should accept it .
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>Well, at least we know that you only have enough of chutzpah to advocate bein an asshole to others through internet, but not in real life. > Now yes, then **you can tell him that he's a piece of shit .** Wut ? Did you read it wrong or you're just dumb ? Lel, that's the main argument you kind of people bring . " If you'd do that irl you'd get your face smashed HAHAH , I'l see u then n00b " you guys are funneh
: So if someone is standing in front of me in a line for a roller coaster. My goal is to ride this roller coaster. Should I tell him what a piece of shit he is for standing in front me and my goal?
Wut ? So in your mind , is that a good comparison ? The people sitting in front of you don't stop or even try to stop you from reaching your goal. They are not taking any action that affects you, because they were there before you arrived. It would be more like, you sitting in the line and someone going in front of you. Now yes, then you can tell him that he's a piece of shit .
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: A Little Tip For Flamers
To be neutral when someone's actions affect your chances of reaching a goal is really hard you know ? I lost yesterday 3 promos, because somehow people just go full retard when I have promos ( and I'm not exaggerating, look at my history , i really play good and at least 1 of my teammates every promo game feeds hardcore or goes afk ) Am i just supposed to sit and watch my [midlaner ahri building rapid firecannon](http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1292119726/23455941) or [shaco going for 6 tear of the godess with lissandra selling all her items](http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1291991531/23455941) in ranked games, without saying anything ? Like they waste my time, can't i just tell them that they are a bunch of retards for doing that ? Because there is no logical explanation to why someone would ever do something like this besides stupidity
: The thing about death threats
When playing League of Legends you're putting yourself in an unknown environment. Because most of the time you'll have anonymous strangers in your team. Now you know how people act when they are anonymous, just look at sites where people are anonymous like 4chan for example. People go full retard when they are anonymous, they don't care about anything, because no one will ever know who said or did something. If you're joining LoL games and expect everyone to be nice, and you also expect players to not say anything when you fail badly or when you're the main cause of the loss, you'll have a bad time. Going in with this attitude that you must be protected and no one should hurt your ego is wrong, most of the time people do not care about you personally, they care about the game, when they insult/flame you, they don't do it for who you are, they do it because something you did game related, or what they apparently think you did at least . You never see dudes just instantly flaming when the game goes well, did you ever ? No, they have no reason to do it , because they see that they win the game and it's all good, it's all they care for. I played this game in a period of time in which i had severe sinusitis ( i didn't actually know what i had at that point ) . It was awful, my head was hurting like hell and i felt dizzy, i didn't exactly know what i had, and I was scared, so I thought that some games of LoL would ease the pain and will make me quit thinking about the symptoms. I wasn't playing bad as hell, but I wasn't even at 60% of how i use to play. Most of my teammates were flaming me every game, some said that I should die of cancer, etc. the usual stuff. But I didn't give a single crap about it . Because I was expecting it, and i knew that they only said that because of the mistakes i made in game , not for who I am as a person. When you're a bad chef and you make bad food, don't get mad when people spit your food and tell you that you suck at making food, because they tell you the reality, or at least their subjective opinion about your actions. They are not offended by you as a person, they are offended by the result of your actions that they actually have to suffer from ( eating the food you made / doing a mistake in game ) . Stop taking things personally and you will have a much better time. If you go around this game, and life in general, saying " I'm entitled to do this ... " and " You will suffer if you will hurt my ego " you'll have a bad time. Of course the dude that said those words to the poor guy is a retarded potato, but also the dude with leukemia or cancer or whatever he has, should have just muted the dude from the first instance when he saw his attitude, now to make a victim of himself and keep watching whatever the retarded potato was saying. Not to mention that the whole story might be just made up. You don't know if the dude actually has leukemia, he might just bluff it to make himself feel better and to white-knight a bit.
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