: yet he is not punish , dont tell me oh he only flame once thats why blah blah , basically if someone be toxic once in a while is ok , and who got flamed have no other option but to submit a report that wont do anything , is much like saying i murder someone but is ok i only did it once i n my life {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Oh yea, you died? O.o What the hell man?! Random guy on internet said you mean things, get over it, my god.....
: how can i report a player
Report button in post game lobby -_-
VEELEN (EUNE)
: ***
Look, you can effectively communicate with pings. If sb ONLY flames, muting helps. If he's an idiot and trolls/ints then they deserve the ban, but since if sb ONLY flames, you can mute them and go on, instead of crying about it. Flaming doesnt ruin gameplay (SINCE YOU CAN MUTE), trolls and idiots do, and they deserve the ban.
hibiki2k (EUW)
: Just wanted to thanks you for ur amazing job against toxic / * / players, very pleasant game RIOT
Mute them and dont cry ;) BTW you rly can thank riot, matchmaking sucks -> toxic players.
: A new system for constant surrendering (of one person) solution
Or try to press "NO" every 3 minute, not soo hard O.o
Neonchan (EUW)
: The fact that I can remember multiple posts of players complaining on their intentional feeding ban kinda contradicts your statement
Have you ever seen a screenshot about sb getting banned for "intentional feeding"? Bc i have never seen one. So how can you be sure, he got banned for it? Maybe ha just wanted to ff a game, which sadly is reportable (and also punished).
VØLK (EUW)
: HELP: How can I report a player I have recorded intent trolling/feeding/helping enemy team??
No matter what they did, they wont get banned. Unless he flamed, but that can be simply reported in post game... You are just wasting your time, inters never get banned.
: So, how would you set the criteria for an automated system to detect or confirm "intentional feeding" when such a player gets reported? Any suggestions?
Min 1 death / 1.5 min, at least one report from enemy and (K+A)/D<0.5 The parameters can vary a bit, i just said somethig what i find good.
Neonchan (EUW)
: They are allready doing so. Solved?
They only ban flamers :) Nothing else.
SicSnap (EUNE)
: strange unbelievable suspension
You surely arent banned for that, just had a teemo in team, who went 0-10 in 11 mins, and 3 games before he did 1-20 in 21 min game. So riot does NOT ban for inting.
Rioter Comments
hibiki2k (EUW)
: int player allowed??
OFC, until they dont flame, everything is allowed.
kjono1 (EUW)
: Hello, Could you explain why to me you think that please? I feel from some of the other comments that I was perhaps not fully successful in portraying the point I was saying.
"There is being toxic in a game and ruining it for 10 people" - Toxic players can play well, and for some reason i see that toxic players USUALLY play well, and the flame the idiots in the team. So, since ppl can mute, toxic players doesnt affect the result of the game in any way. BUT the idiots (who are usually flamed) ruin games with feeding.
: how can rito improve their ranking system and protect good players from toxic throwers?
They cant, and they wont. They dont care about game experience anymore.
kjono1 (EUW)
: How toxicity and raging at a teammate is not useful.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Lol, seen so many flamers typing when there is a teamfight that could have turned around the game. Not to mention the amount of "Fu i was typing" i get when killing such people. And how hard is it to understand that provocating to breaking the rules by breaking the ToS yourself, you should get punished as well. Have you ever read terms of service?
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Read it again. It has a doublemessage. It leads to a player already tilted by getting rekt to going afk, inting or other forms of toxic behaviour And flamers themselves are practically afk and focusing on something that actually would help, like shotcalling for rest of the team. Or pinging enemies locations to splitpusher etc
Flamers arent afk, trust a harcore flamer... If they go afk or int, then they should get banned, doesnt matter why they afk or int. IDK why is it soo hard to understand. Flamers do NOTHIGN what influences the game, if sb goes afk bc he got flamed, the afking guy deserves the ban (since he afks), and bc he is too stupid to mute a flamer.
: Maybe I am. Now, if you climbed all the way from Bronze to Plat, there's no real need for you to complain about feeders, is there? Apart from that, _this_ account is unranked. And of course there are "feeders" on my team too. Sometimes I'm one myself. The question is what you figure out as _intentional_. You need to give the benefit of the doubt to everybody. If someone feeds, it won't be on purpose in 99.5% of all cases. Waht I've seen is that in almost all cases the intentional feeders also troll. So, that "feeder" disussion for me is in fact a troll discussion. And that makes also me mad.
"Now, if you climbed all the way from Bronze to Plat, there's no real need for you to complain about feeders, is there?" - So if i play good i have no right to complain about idiots? What logic is this? O.o Inting and trolling usually are the same :\ "it won't be on purpose in 99.5% of all cases" - This is just not true.
MoeBDig (EUW)
: You cant mute pings. Pingspamming is a thing
One of the things what Rito fails to implement.... In this you are right.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Phoenixdust,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=plw7OykT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-25T10:20:56.571+0000) > > You know flamers dont do shit. > > &quot;intentionally feed/AFK/ragequit&quot; - These guys are the problem, and deserve permaban! Since you can mute flamers and make his flaming nothing, you cant do anythings with these trolls you mentioned. Sooo since flaming is solved they should focus on the bigger problems.... the problem is that flaming leads to most afks since quite a bit of them afk flame for half the game
Then ban them for AFK, since flaming still doesnt do shit....
MoeBDig (EUW)
: Punishment system
Use mute button! FML, how hard is it!?
: You can easy carry 4on5 if u get a feeder or afk. But i cant mute anyone in select or post game lobby. See. Nothing is solve. Dont bother about the 1in20 games feeder. Focus on the toxicity.
"You can easy carry 4on5" - LOOOL, if you get an AFK maybe, if you have a real feeder, no chance (assuming the enemy is not fully %%%%%%ed). You can leave post game lobby without any punishment, or BETTER, DONT FCKIN READ WHAT YOU DONT LIKE! My god, is it really so hard to understand? Nobody forces you to read what a flamer writes, if you read, you WANTED to read it, then dont cry.... (And from a flamer reading ONE thing to prove he is a flameris not such a big deal)
Tiichu (EUW)
: As I said, I don't get dc/lags normally. If I knew I would avoid playing ranked too. But this time was unexpected. And even tho I explained to my team, they don't give a damn. They talk like I chose to disconnect... They talk like I'm ruining the game for them intentionally. <.< I was not even disconnected in the sense that I was gone for the game. I just had constant lags, I was still in game the whole time. Like, if I happen to afk for 15 min being unable to reconnect and we lose. I couldn't blame my teammates for reporting me for afk. It would be nice if they could be understanding tho. Personally I never report people for afk unless they are intentionally not playing the game, since I understand that disconnections is not their fault, and not something they chose to do.
You wont get banend for 1 times DC/afk. So i would report you no matter what you say, bc why would your teammates belive you. If you do it only once, you dont get banned, if you do it more you will.
: Player Behavior in this game is a Disaster
You know flamers dont do shit. "intentionally feed/AFK/ragequit" - These guys are the problem, and deserve permaban! Since you can mute flamers and make his flaming nothing, you cant do anythings with these trolls you mentioned. Sooo since flaming is solved they should focus on the bigger problems....
Tiichu (EUW)
: Disconnection in Ranked game is not the same as afk/inting
Did you DC or not? Did you lag or not? Did you die bc of it or not? You ruined the game for your team, if you wanted it or not, doesnt matter. YOU ruined it. If you experience this more times, you should probably change internet provider or dont play ranked games. But you have to understand: YOU were the problem, not them. If this happens once in every 100 games, then okay, shit happens (and you wont even get any punishment), but if you have this problem often (if it is your fault, or internet provider or anything) and you still play rankeds, you deserve punishment (even ban).
: Trust me, I'm Bronze 4.
I climbed from Bronze 4 to Plat 5 (right now) this season, and i've met unbeliveable number of feeders.... So you are a lucky man :D
: Detecting flamers is way easier than detecting intentional feeding. That Riot doesn't giive a f*ck is not true. But they repeatedly stated that they by all means want to make sure that no unjustified ban ist issued for feeding. So I guess it could work by sending a support ticket with some stats about the player in question. In any case someone has to look into a number of games to get a feeling whether that player is just bad or whether (s)he is intentionally ruining games. I agree on the topic, though; I rarely have such teammates, but when you have, it makes you just go mad.
You are lucky to rarely have them, do you play Dia+? Trust me in lower the number of games trolled is waaay too much. And dont tell me it's hard to detect, it's not.
tomer (EUW)
: How to deal with inters?
You cant deal with them, since you have no possibility to kick players from your game. Riot could ban them, but it focuses on flamers (who you can mute) instead of inters, and they just let them roam and ruin the game. So the short answer: You can NOT. And Riot doesnt give a fck!
Ascendere (EUW)
: When aftergame report doesnt seem enough
Dont even bother yourself, only flamers get banned. Troll/inters dont.
Lynxmetal (EUW)
: Is banning someone's preferred champion a punishable offense?
Should be punishable, but RITO doesnt care about trolls :\
: "I'm sorry, but you are bad"
At least that way the team realizes that you are useless and they have to carry, and they cant rely on you in TF etc. etc.. So l2p better and dont cry -_-
Ăhri (EUNE)
: Int feeding report in game
NEVER! Riot never does anything good when is about trolls/inters.
: What happens when you talk to an intentional feeder
That guy doesnt need a talk, he needs a fckin ban!
Zantonny (EUW)
: If you disagree, welcome to league, you must be new here. Arguments 'cause splits in the team. 1v1v1v1v1 v 5 you aren't going to win. It's easier to carry a bad player than win a 1v5.
Ty, im playing since S3 :) And i know that fckin tards ruins the games, not toxic players :)
Zantonny (EUW)
: Could always get a duo que partner. Toxcicity ruins games. arguments lose more games than bad players do, try get a duo que partner that is calm. You can teach a bad player, you can't alter the personality of an A-hole though. One less potential rager in a game significantly increase your chance of victory. If you get a partner that is also not terrible, then bonus points.
"arguments lose more games than bad players do" - LoooL, tell me which deals more damage? Fed enemy Khazix or arguing? FML, LMAO reding this bullshit.
poustotost (EUNE)
: Is smurfing something punishable?
Yes, ppl who want to play a game with another account, and Riot's stupid matchmaking system puts them in team with trash players are totally reportable. It's really their fault, that the matchmaking system doesnt detect that they are waay better players!
Eranicum (EUW)
: Toxic People
You just say bullshit. Toxic players get banned. And if 9ppl or 1ppl reports you in one game, it doesnt matter. So MAYBE start playing better and they wont flame you, or stop beeing an oversensitive child and use the mute button, my gosh....
: Honoring System - Good Sport Player Levels as valuable as Gold+ Rank
"Sometimes it's nicer to being a good sport and suck at the game, rather than being an a-hole and being good at the game." Man, i hope you know, that LoL is a competitive game, not a chat platform. ONLY your skill and teamwork (imho its part of the skill) matters....
: feeding and verbal abuse in rankeds
Have you ever heard about the glorious magical mute button? That thing makes you resistant to butthurts and becoming a whining lil' boy. Next time if you get flamed try to use it! Oh and maybe try not to do mistakes (so you wont get flamed.) See, not that hard ;)
Ârzo (EUW)
: The community kills this game
Have you ever heard about the magical mute button, you press that, and you wont get butthurt. Simple as that. Imho the real problem are not the toxic players, you mute them and go on (sometimes they carry the game), but the feeder fcktards, who has no idea how to play this game, but still bought an acc from ebay and ruins every game. So maybe instead of flamers rito could ban the source of toxicity (the fckin noobs). Im taling about ranked games, in normal you can be as bad as you want, nobody cares, but if you play ranked, play according to your division or better....
: > [{quoted}](name=JakiStow,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wAPvANrY,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-09-05T15:53:01.490+0000) > > I like the fact that flamers compare themselves to Ronaldo or the Real Madrid, as if they were the best players ever and never made any mistakes to justify their right to be assholes xD Exactly :) {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
You still dont understand. Doing 0/15 in a game is intentional, not ONE mistake.... ofc, flamers do mistakes, even Messi does mistakes. But the fcktards intentionally ruin the game.
: does riot check the reports?!
Riot only cares about toxic reports. For Rito the chat quality is everything, the gameplay is gettin' worse and worse doesnt matter, ppl cant flame the trolls that's the only thing what matters.
Deeze11 (EUNE)
: If a teammate bans the champion you wanted to play
If you really think this, then you are the WORST of all things mentioned above. You know, Rito made this prelock system, so your teammates wont ban the champion what you want. IF your teammate is soo mentally challenged, that he stil bans it, and then doesnt dodge the game, then he's the worst you can get in your team. A guy, who flames like hell still can play good, and doesnt reduce the chances to win the game. But if you have a tard in the team, you are probably fcked. So looking at the chances to win a game, a flamer is waaay better than an idiot you mentioned. Words dont deal damage, ban champs, or steal mana. Words dont affect the game in any way..... So, sir, i have to say, you are stupid also :\
Altershock (EUNE)
: Losing streaks
You want a solution? :D Go play Dota or HoTS. (In short) Longer verison: Since Riot only cares about chat quality in ranked games, and doesnt care about troll/feeders/noobs (according to it's division), you cant expect this to become better. The matchmaking system is just bad, and they are doing nothing about this. PS.: If you want to play this shit more, you can try to find some good teammates to play premade, at least that reduces the chances to get fckin mentals in your team ;)
: Self-mute as an option for toxic players
Oooor maybe riot should focus on fixing the matchamking system, and banning the trolls, and this way preventing the flame. Now instead they ban the skilled players who flame a bit, instead of the mentally challenged trolls. GG rito.
Diamond Ace (EUNE)
: A guy that trolled 80 ranked games is not banned yet.
Really, what did you expect? Riot only ban toxic players, they dont care about the gameplay, only the chat quality what matters. If he is an intentional feeder, but doesnt write anything in chat, he's safe!
: > "0-13 shows me you lost your lane, no need to flame other, you didn't do good neither;" - Okay, go on, start a normal game, ask your 4 teammate to feed for the first 10 min. While you can do fine on your lane, and then lets all play normal, you will have NO chance to come back, no matter what you do. I'm just gonna ignore this one, since no matter how i look at it - it will be just pointless to talk about it; > "however by "Half inting" (as you called it) you are not even trying to make up for mistakes that were made by you or your teammates," - As i asked, why should i tryhard a lost game and waste more time? Thats just stupid.... Hope for throws, hope for a better scaling, hope for a Mistake the enemies will make or pray for whatever; but not even trying to win after a rough start is not what i see as reasonable. > "I'm pretty sure "half inting" is just "inting" so you are probably one of those you complain about." - U didnt understand half of what i told you ( i know my english sucks, but probably not this much...) I do that, when the game is already over, but my teammates wont surrend. Not i caused that situation, i just solve it faster.... I've never ever intentionally fed from the start of the game..... > The point above should do
Okay, thats why we are different persons with different ideas :D I dont like wasting my time on 99% lost game, you like. Nothing to talk about it. But right now we are pretty far away from the original topic :D
: Maybe the people "feeding" in your games would become useful if instead of flaming them you try to encourage and coordinate them, to try and win the game despite the disadvantage. But since you are better than your elo, you should already know that. :>
Go to the nearest Zoo, climb the fence to the monkeys, and try to command them to do something what you ask them :D Probably you never had the pure apeshit teammate, who i am talkin' about :D
: I kinda can't agree on any of your points. > "I believe that looking into the "End game results" tells something about the game, going 0/13 and loosing or going 12/9 and loosing makes a difference, doesn't it?" > > U know, there are differences beetwen 0-13s, you can play your lane well, defending, while your team feeds other lanes, you maybe die 1-2 times to gank, but the other lanes are fed as hell, and there is no reason to play that game anymore, and then you just go pure apeshit. Or, you can be the one, who dies 1v1 on your lane 5 times, and your fed enemy goes and rekts your whole team. Or you dont see any difference? O.o 0-13 shows me you lost your lane, no need to flame other, you didn't do good neither; 12-9 shows me you tried and had a chance of carrying, which you didn't use (duh); The point "It makes a difference if I or my Team feeds" is fine ... If you would play play the game to its fullest i mean; however by "Half inting" (as you called it) you are not even trying to make up for mistakes that were made by you or your teammates, which leaves me with "It doesn't really matter who fed the enemy, in the end it's gonna be you running it down mid" > "Once you get in game, try to keep an open line of communication. Warn your teammates if someone is missing from your lane, or if something is placing them in immediate danger. If they're not paying attention to chat you can always try pinging the map. Just remember that one ping is enough!" - I agree with this part, BUT when the game is already lost, why should i waste more time tryharding, there is just no reason to piss me up more about my teammates, you just have to accept sometimes that the game is over, and make it as fast as it can be. (Ofc, while you dont give reason to report you.) > This was a part of the Summoners Code, more accurate "I Support your Team"; saying that i'm wondering how you can agree and still "half int"; Btw. I'm pretty sure "half inting" is just "inting" so you are probably one of those you complain about.
"0-13 shows me you lost your lane, no need to flame other, you didn't do good neither;" - Okay, go on, start a normal game, ask your 4 teammate to feed for the first 10 min. While you can do fine on your lane, and then lets all play normal, you will have NO chance to come back, no matter what you do. "however by "Half inting" (as you called it) you are not even trying to make up for mistakes that were made by you or your teammates," - As i asked, why should i tryhard a lost game and waste more time? Thats just stupid.... "I'm pretty sure "half inting" is just "inting" so you are probably one of those you complain about." - U didnt understand half of what i told you ( i know my english sucks, but probably not this much...) I do that, when the game is already over, but my teammates wont surrend. Not i caused that situation, i just solve it faster.... I've never ever intentionally fed from the start of the game.....
: > In competitive you TRY to win, and you will have fun, if you play a challenging game, and you still win. You know the statistics you see before the game starts ? Like _"Toxic players lose significantly more games"_. Those are there for a reason, and they're not just some made up lines, they actually hold value! --- You cannot call yourself a competitive player if you harass your teammates for a mistake. This is a teamgame, and interacting with your team in the right way is an important part of playing it. A competitive player supports his team, and tries to bring them to their best performance. Flamers on the other hand, try to bring their own teammates down, just to increase their self-esteem for a short period of time. It's so convenient for our brain to just blame a loss on another person, because it's the easiest way to solve the cognitive dissonance occuring when you are losing a match. If you are aware of the psychological reasons behind your actions though, you can react much better and strive to improve as a person and player.
"You know the statistics you see before the game starts ? Like "Toxic players lose significantly more games". Those are there for a reason, and they're not just some made up lines, they actually hold value!" - LOOOOL sure, it holds value. When you have feeder in your team, you probably lose, and you probably flame. The connection is real, but the direction is wrong. You lose bc you have feeder in team, and you flame bc you have feeder in team. Its like saying, hospitals kill ppl, bc ppl in hospitals tends to die more to illnesses than outside it. Just pure stupidity. "You cannot call yourself a competitive player if you harass your teammates for a mistake." - You guys still dont understand.... 10 death in 20 min is not ONE mistake, thats pure bullshit. "A competitive player supports his team, and tries to bring them to their best performance." - Yes, and i do this, until i realize i dont have team. "Flamers on the other hand, try to bring their own teammates down, just to increase their self-esteem for a short period of time." - Have you ever kicked your lil toe in the leg of a furniture? Did you say "Fuck"? Why, you wanted to bring down the moral of you furnitures? xDD Or you just became a bit calmer after doing this. Flamers dont flame bc they want to make other worse, they flame, bc if they write out their rage, they become calmer and play better. + if the flamed one, finds out that he sucks, maybe he will practice a bit before the next ranked game and wont suck like hell. "It's so convenient for our brain to just blame a loss on another person, because it's the easiest way to solve the cognitive dissonance occuring when you are losing a match." - Ye, this happens also, but maybe if that person fckin fed the whole game, rly he caused the loss, have you ever tought about it?! LoL is a game, where your solo good performance affects the game less than a solo bad performance.... "If you are aware of the psychological reasons behind your actions though, you can react much better and strive to improve as a person and player." - i know why i do, what i do. And for me its totally ok. But thanks for pointing out obvious things :)
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