Feridjuh (EUW)
: Hahahaha, never thought about that. Probably would get a lot of tokens that way! I guess one way to find out is to keep saving those tokens and FF15.
> [{quoted}](name=Feridjuh,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=nEj9KEY7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-13T14:16:53.126+0000) > > Hahahaha, never thought about that. Probably would get a lot of tokens that way! I guess one way to find out is to keep saving those tokens and FF15. or get a strong team and play normal games... , and farm quick wins.. , that could work too, but that would mean to team up with very good players...
Feridjuh (EUW)
: Max amount of tokens you can gather in 1 event?
it ends faster than it writes there.... 1.5 months ? Maybe is possible ,if you play champions who end games quick... , or the games dosn't take that long and end with surrenders etc... I wonder ,what if you would do a team of 5 , and surrender min 15 if you don't have chances to win , or if you would team up to have a very powerful team , then you would end normal games in no time ,winning quick tokens.
: > every adc champion is kind of average early ,but draven outstand that normal average ,taking extra ad on his q... Draven also has to snowball in order to scale anywhere near as well as other adcs... high risk high reward. > now let's speak about teemo 500 range.. , 0 chances for him to actually play vs multiple top laners who have bigger range than him , his attack range actually expose him to be close to melee fights... , this is not okey , and you have to struggle to pull good games with teemo... . Teemo counters melee top laners, therefore it makes sense that ranged top laners in turn counter him. > there is kalist having 525 attack range , less with 25 ... ,while there are heroes who get 550 attack range + taking extra range on levels up ... , so how is that fair idk... , then i see her as 1 vs 1 champion , for her is very difficult to play team fights good , considering high base of the game with champions who are strong playing from safe places ,or extremly strong close range ,such as zed /xerath , so is questionable how riot balance heroes... . Because in my opinnion there are heroes who suffer very much from Riot decisions. Kalista is also the most mobile adc... with adcs range and mobility have a relationship... the more often they can dash the lower their range. Hence why champions like Ashe or Cait have low mobility while Kalista or lucien has high mobility. > Let's talk about something else , about leona , well in fact leona with w maxed , she is really hard to be killed , on top if you buy armor and hp , you make her in no time tanky frontline... , is too simple for her... ,3 stunns , engage, range ultimate ... , i can keep going on with this ,but in my opinnion a hero with 3 stunns , slow on w + extremly tanky is serious not that much balanced... Leona is a support tank... therefore doesn’t have much gold to work with and has low amount of stats in her build... this would prevent her from ever doing her job as a tank as she’d die instantly. Like all other support tanks she has a strong defencive tool to help her actually survive... aka her W. So it’s balamced as with it she’s only as tanky as normal tanks. > Some adc champions , have some ultimates really weird design , for exemple i am main adc jinx , the fact i use ulti and a target is just 10 mm behind me and the target dosn't get hited at all , starts to really concern me... , likely it feels weird... , when you realise ,that you have an ultimate who may hit or not target ,as he can flash, dash, zhonya,blink himself if is shaco etc.. , and you can miss ultimate ,and the damage is really weird for jinx or ashe... ,regarding to what scale have ezreal ultimate ,or jhin , i think ultimates who can be missed should be balanced somehow to make it worth the skill .... , it does happen that i hit ulti and i don't kill targets... ,even if i hit top/mid ... ,and travel lot's of distance , and tehnically is really easy to dodge it as a pro player... , and if you are noob you can dodge it , if you pay attention ... ,but riot dosn't consider that relevant... But that is how they are balanced... Ashe has the longest cc in the game with her ult if hitting it at long range, and jinx gets an increadibly strong AoE execute... these are abilities which while can be used at point blank are much stronger to snipe or initiate. Where as ezreal has less power on a long range ult but more on a long range ult. risk vs reward. > And if we take a look at some champions transitions like zed , i understand he is 1 vs 1 hero ,but he literally not anymore give his targets a chance to survive or to outplay him , if they have no zhonya... , maybe is hard to play zed and hit every time every skill .. ,but serious now ,his ultimate literally pulls him right to his target , how someone can be overbuffed because he can miss spells and not kill target ... ,and still he can do safe plays and get back on shadows in a safe place etc... Zed is reliant on landing his Q to kill... usually using R and W to get double or triple hits off... dodge this and unless he is fed he won’t kill. Armour alone also limits his power. His R also puts him in a predictable spot, hit him with cc as he appears and chain cc till he dies or is forced back > There are heroes like shaco , who you literally can't that simple outplay , and you can't just find him and kill him ,because is very difficult ,he have that escape kit very good, his attack kit is also very strong ... , played good is always a problem , before in season 1-2-3-4-5 pink wards were having purposes , now just have the purpose that they never expire and offer extra vision range , and the fact it proofs you enemy have no wards near... ,but still a pink ward can't see over the edge of a cliff... ,or if i walk and there is a wall near... it dosn't show me if there is a ward behind a wall... ,is not that much usefull as i think it should be... Control wards can reveal opponent wards as well as disable their vision... which means that any area with a control ward in is an area where the enemy can not see into and thus you can use to your advantage. They are increadibly powerful as is and don’t need any improvements. > Invisibility and full build ,always been broken... , twitch and shaco are broken when we speaking about invisibility ... Invisible champions are also increadibly squishy... catch them out and they die immediately. Especially with twitch as it’s a camo, so get in his face and his stealth is useless. > Some heroes are really hard to catch or to engage ,such as pyke... , or sometimes blitz/malphites/sejuani/ornn/veigar/maokai/rakan and i could keep going ,there is a problem to play vs some of these champions when it comes about team fights... , as the fights tend to base on if enemy loss patience or not... , you just stand defensive ,or pull some targets and bum you have your advantage... ,veigar can now stunn much more easy etc... And that creates their niche... they can control a teamfight very well... in fact many you listed exist to start fights. But then they have weaknesses in other areas, none of these champions can really stop a split pusher effectivly so by splitting the map in a 1 3 1 style you negate their advantage. You’ve also got baron to help ruin their siege potential... if they are holed up in their base you’ve got free reign of the pit. The game is all about using your team’s strengths and avoiding your enemies... if the enemy team has strong teamfight power then don’t fight them in a 5v5... instead split push or create picks...
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=JmrEsA1b,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-10T15:26:13.320+0000) > > Draven also has to snowball in order to scale anywhere near as well as other adcs... high risk high reward. > > Teemo counters melee top laners, therefore it makes sense that ranged top laners in turn counter him. > > Kalista is also the most mobile adc... with adcs range and mobility have a relationship... the more often they can dash the lower their range. Hence why champions like Ashe or Cait have low mobility while Kalista or lucien has high mobility. > > Leona is a support tank... therefore doesn’t have much gold to work with and has low amount of stats in her build... this would prevent her from ever doing her job as a tank as she’d die instantly. Like all other support tanks she has a strong defencive tool to help her actually survive... aka her W. So it’s balamced as with it she’s only as tanky as normal tanks. > > But that is how they are balanced... Ashe has the longest cc in the game with her ult if hitting it at long range, and jinx gets an increadibly strong AoE execute... these are abilities which while can be used at point blank are much stronger to snipe or initiate. Where as ezreal has less power on a long range ult but more on a long range ult. risk vs reward. > > Zed is reliant on landing his Q to kill... usually using R and W to get double or triple hits off... dodge this and unless he is fed he won’t kill. > Armour alone also limits his power. > His R also puts him in a predictable spot, hit him with cc as he appears and chain cc till he dies or is forced back > > Control wards can reveal opponent wards as well as disable their vision... which means that any area with a control ward in is an area where the enemy can not see into and thus you can use to your advantage. They are increadibly powerful as is and don’t need any improvements. > > Invisible champions are also increadibly squishy... catch them out and they die immediately. Especially with twitch as it’s a camo, so get in his face and his stealth is useless. > > And that creates their niche... they can control a teamfight very well... in fact many you listed exist to start fights. But then they have weaknesses in other areas, none of these champions can really stop a split pusher effectivly so by splitting the map in a 1 3 1 style you negate their advantage. > You’ve also got baron to help ruin their siege potential... if they are holed up in their base you’ve got free reign of the pit. > > The game is all about using your team’s strengths and avoiding your enemies... if the enemy team has strong teamfight power then don’t fight them in a 5v5... instead split push or create picks... actually jinx with fleet footwork and pasive would be most mobile champion , he gets extra range , the problem is that kalista tends to be very difficult to deal early game... , as most of champions get range advantage against her... , my opinnion is that kalista lost the metha , as she got nerfed , before she was in line and played with annie alistar, blitz bot lane ,soon after her range attack nerf , she got nerfed to bone ,how often you see a tristana,vayne,lucian,kai'sa ,jinx or any other adc , and how often you see kalista , that's the fact , i did played her , and she dosn't look healthy , she's like butchered because of that mobility you speaked , why they don't remove dashes and make her ultimate scale in range with mana cost ,or an ability like kog maw extended basics ... on his w , would be more intresting in my opinnion . Imagine you are adc , and you play vs renekton or darius , that 525 range isn't good.. , even if you have mobility... ,how many champions now move faster , have dashes stunns pulls like pyke , kayn and can rekt kalista in few seconds. About draven ,his q should be that kind of ability for limited time use , not continue free use... , and it should be activate q and hit 2-3 times on enemy ... with stronger damage... ,that would be an ability , but an ability who gives you extra damage + extra life steal as you farm with , and which cost so low + the fact that is free mana as long as you farm and keep it active... is a non cost ability who actually is broken... , to don't add that draven has his w movement speed , also his r deals quit a good amount of damage .. , i am honest ,his q is not that healthy regarding other adc abilitys who cost mana and have limited time amount to use.
itaiIKi (EUNE)
: Ya. He is tanky af and now thanks to the E buff he can destory everyone on toplane
> [{quoted}](name=itaiIKi,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Nik23dAG,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-13T10:14:24.714+0000) > > Ya. He is tanky af and now thanks to the E buff he can destory everyone on toplane his e wasn't buffed, he just benefit now of the runes which he haven't before... , and if we stay to think , wukong should work same with conquerer ... ,then his ultimate spin and hit targets... , riot haven't maked him as garen. In my opinnion garen is in a metha play , and shouldn't be changed , because he is easy to counter , and he really needs to be in middle of the fight front line ... , his conquerer interaction , makes him strong frontline , in the fact if he is aggresive playing and catching his targets , but you as enemy team you can counter him extremly easy ,veigar e stunn very often , ezreal slow over q if you build right items , yummi support ,nami also could counter him or leona , he also can be countered top lane , is not just darius who counter garen , jax is also extremly strong against him... , there are champions who can counter play him . If Riot does same mistake over and over again , then this game will not even stand to give a chance to champions who aren't often played... , i think he is healthy as it is , just need some adjustments.. , if they would reverse everything , this would make him back to no progress , likely lossed time to balance him... , people have to learn to deal vs him , and there is definetly need of time to counter play him and learn to play vs him .. Same as people used to learn to play vs darius or other strong champions like jax ...
: garen needs a nerf
The problem is that garen is strong if enemy team composition is crap..., to be honest garen can be really easy outplayed with slows and cc... Darius is kind of a bruiser too , and he have the chance to make amazing plays ,so why wouldn't garen be allowed to be in metha , you do this to every champion who is non metha , to don't become metha... , is like champions rarely played no have the right to be playable in the sense you can do something with them... , yeah i tend to believe that garen gameplay is more healthy , and the buff actually was necesary , because until now it woulded be extremly extremly hard to push good scores... , the runes which interact good with his skills dosn't mean that he no deserve to benefit from runes ... due to nature of his skills... , so if we stay to get this in a logic sequence .... , the only op is multi stack quick of conquerer , but the rest is kind of fine... , he really needs to touch his targets and be right next to his targets to deal damage ,which as i sayd cc and slows would easy counter him.
: its not the point. the point im trying to make is that if enough people report you then you potentially could be banned for nothing at all.
> [{quoted}](name=Psycho EGirI,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EUWHuE5L,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-10T05:48:51.625+0000) > > its not the point. the point im trying to make is that if enough people report you then you potentially could be banned for nothing at all. yep i can sustain this... , i got permanent banned almost for nothing on a lv 167 account ,after staying 3 months clean and not been toxic ... after a 14 days ban... , and i know i had past problems , but Riot told me ,that they can ban me for slightest negative thingh after the 14 days ban , so basically i lost 3 months for nothing , because riot not even cared ... , about the time i did progress ... , even had honor lv 1 ... , in this game , the good behaviour , and people who do them best to refrain from being angry or stress themself. I haven't understood how such bans pursuit upper punishments ,and how it can be fair for the players who have pushed to reform and lost likely 90 days to reform and to do progress into changing them behaviour , but riot does ignore and just permanent ban ,and that's it ... , you have nothing else to say .... , cause you loss 3 months after 14 days ban , dosn't mather for them ... , why then they don't ban you permanent when the 14 days ban should happen idk , they just really ignore players progress.
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=odUElgt5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-09T22:19:31.144+0000) > > You know what's funny in my opinnion , Riot does automatic punishment system , ban us , then when we go to them to ask for reason and what happened or why we been considered toxic , now they don't even have the face to talk to us ,instead they put an AI to answer us , how cool is that.. , why they don't put AI to play for us into this game ,if those AI ROBOTS are so important for human interaction . > You are right. How about, then, you volunteer to take a look at about some millions daily reports to find out which are true and which are sent by salty players who report their whole team everytime they lose a game? I understand it may be a bit taxing to to that buy, hey, for the sake of human interaction, which apparently you value so much, i think you should. You can start today as far as i'm concerned. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=odUElgt5,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-10-10T06:34:40.203+0000) > > You are right. How about, then, you volunteer to take a look at about some millions daily reports to find out which are true and which are sent by salty players who report their whole team everytime they lose a game? I understand it may be a bit taxing to to that buy, hey, for the sake of human interaction, which apparently you value so much, i think you should. You can start today as far as i'm concerned. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} so you claim ,that riot if have 1 million tickets , we have to suffer , and loss accounts ,cause they can't answer or talk to us efficient ... Let's be honest , how many tickets they answer wrong , how much time they loss , doing reply over replyes on tickets ,so if they can't be solid and convince someone of something and help you with a very good answer ,then what's the point , of just sharing a shit answer across multiple replyes into a ticket , they literally are unable to solve tickets... , because they not even read them
: I should have seen this one coming
Rioter Comments
: I got banned for inting when I wasn't
You know what's funny in my opinnion , Riot does automatic punishment system , ban us , then when we go to them to ask for reason and what happened or why we been considered toxic , now they don't even have the face to talk to us ,instead they put an AI to answer us , how cool is that.. , why they don't put AI to play for us into this game ,if those AI ROBOTS are so important for human interaction . Sadly you will notice , how much Riot cares on them relationship with them players and community ,when they not even can be human interact anymore... I don't say that human interaction was something good before ,because it was so bad services ,and the employers who was answering tickets on support were sometimes rude , sometimes giving you answers without any sense on the subject and much more... , but yeah Riot really fall upside down ,when they stoped to care about the community , you can't say i am not here talk to the AI ,cause AI will help us to understand our behaviour ? ? ,or to understand if there is a mistake in our punishment , how much time is it wasted ,before you do what is right.
proCaylak (EUW)
: Getting bullied just because I requested some teammates to place ward...
just quit adc role ,you will see hundreds of people who are toxic in support role , you don't even know how many people who are unhappy of playing support autofill , tends to ruin your games ,to be aggresive towards you , toxic, grief,troll, and destroy your lane doing or nothing , or doing too much throught giving enemy kills.
sosenka1198 (EUNE)
: Reporting a vulgar player
they will not ban him for 1 phrase. Neither 1 chat restriction would means appropriate for 1 phrase ...
: > [{quoted}](name=Prokofyev,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RMEeuzjL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-06T11:54:04.692+0000) > > Already 4 month play like that, and still have wins. I just want that Rios see that they have problem. So you are trolling your games but STILL your teams manage to win from time to time? Man not even trolls can be good enough these days. {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RMEeuzjL,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-06T11:56:39.367+0000) > > So you are trolling your games but STILL your teams manage to win from time to time? Man not even trolls can be good enough these days. > {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}} well if they would troll in a way that would be visible ,then they would get much more easy banned , the point is that he troll/grief in limits.
Dromichete (EUNE)
: How can someone who ruins a game can go freely with it and still can play ?
if he woulded broke the rules ,he woulded be already banned ,maybe you mistake across your decision of label him as being a troller.
Shozis (EUNE)
: > i have played lot's of normal games before i throw myself into ranked , to don't ruin others experience ,basically because i knowed i wasn't prepared for ranked , and that i am not good at playing and knowing everything in the game ,but still i manage to learn and be a good player in time ,following guides , runes build , because back then ,there were some complex rune system not the one is right now ,which is much more easy to decide what's good for you... So what? That's only your standards and attitude. I also like to improve at the games I play, become better, prepare myself by reading guides/builds etc., but at the same time I realise that it's a video game and not a job and that it's completely fine if someone doesn't have such serious attitude towards a **video game**. It's actually fine to play a video game with a casual attitude without the aim to improve. > that shame that you are a terrible player is gonne Why should someone be ashamed that he/she is bad at a **video game**? > and that's not even close to an insult , that's the truth , there are people who ain't good at this game So what? People are allowed to be bad at a **video games**. Why should they be insulted or shamed when they are just spending their leisure time and trying to have fun? Again, this game is not your job and if it actually was and you were a pro LCS player, believe me blaming other players for holding you down would be the last thing you did. > i don't consider myself into that category , because i play mostly alone ,that means i have to carry myself my games when my team feed ,or play horrible with hundreds of mistakes ,which is a reason it exhaust me ,because i constantly seen across multiple seasons mistakes who repeat , or are more likely a result of 0 brain action plays... , and that's the sad part , because not everyone have the battle skill and skill to react to something which kills them , or they not even think about how to counter play enemy heroes ... , or how to position , what to focus , if they should build more much armor or magic resist etc... , they not even care in pick lobby if they have mixt ap/ad team , if they have 1 ap and 4 ad is perfectly normal for them ,as long as they have 1 ap... . Why exactly is that a problem? The other team gets the same bad, unskilled, braindead feeders so if you really are better than the rest of the player pool you are playing with you will eventually carry yourself - it's simple math. Unless you are actually not that skilled or that much better than your pool of players that you think you are. > In my opinnion the ranked mode should be something premium... Well, that's your opinion, but as I said in my first post there's no real problem because ranked sorts itself out. So it shouldn't be premium because no one is holding you from climbing other than yourself. > than just throw yourself and oh yeah , you get silver , bronze rank , and honestly , that's not even mean anything for anyone ,but people still play and waste them time ,rather than performing to learn the game ,which is exactly pointing out why ranked promotes low quality gameplay I still don't get your point. It's a competitive game where one team loses. It means that even if there would be only 'good' players in ranked, someone would still be on a low end of the ladder, because some players would still be better than others. > I honestly would like to see more skill , than someone who miss spells ,and do crap plays , is my own opinnion You might have too high expectations. Watch some high ELO streams and you'll see constant clown fiesta, feed and out of control snowballing even there. I guess it's just the nature of the game. > I see people who are likely to start team fights 3 vs 5 ... , because they don't care that them position is risky and that they can get engaged by enemy team , so they f124 up the game , and then cry about x missing fight , y missing fight... , is terrible sad when i see people have no patience. You can't control what others do, you signed up for a competitive multiplayer game yourself so you just have to deal with it or switch games. And as I said even despite all of it these 'horrible players' still can't stop you from climbing in longterm if you are actually good because the other team has to deal with the exact same crap you deal.
> [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8MMbWi4h,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-05T20:30:46.852+0000) > is about ranked games man , in ranked you would be suppoused to share how good you are at this game ,instead most of people share me ,how bad they can push to be... . I really understand is a game ,and that you can play to have fun ,that's what normal games are still a mode in the present , and the fact people need to play until they reach lv 30... ,but still , the fun is in the temporary modes , everyone who plays for having fun , they free to play as many normal games/draft/aram/event modes games as they wish , i have nothing against who ever touches and play into those gamemodes bad... ,as is perfectly normal what happens there , that's why it is called normal game. My opinnion changes and is against people who pursuit to play ranked for having only fun , while they ruin games with terrible scores ,they never apologise , never feel like they should stop , for them dosn't mather that someone with 8 0 starts to play adc bot lane very good ,they do what ever they want , if they loss the game ,they flame the guy who feed himself based on his own skill , because he "lost the game" , so that's the thingh i don't feel like it belongs into ranked game mode. I do care about my team mates behaviour ,let say i have a good knowdledge about game , i can pull from my skill amazing plays, if i have decent team to follow my plays.. , plays who are often likely 2-3 players damage ,because i know to position ,don't die as a fool and do much more.. I speak to the rest later , as my ranked game started .
Tmenov (EUW)
: I got my 12th account banned by now. I think I (alone) have a solid 12k hours in this game. Have seen it from begin to end. Let me tell you this: Bone cancer, is less cancer then this game. It %%%%s you mentally and takes away every bit of pleasure in life/games. As stated above: Int low key and make them flame. Report them afterwards. Easy ban, easy game dying, easy fun while making other people mad. GG ez.
> [{quoted}](name=Tmenov,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rQ2PnEPy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-05T20:44:03.312+0000) > > I got my 12th account banned by now. I think I (alone) have a solid 12k hours in this game. Have seen it from begin to end. > Let me tell you this: > > Bone cancer, is less cancer then this game. It %%%%s you mentally and takes away every bit of pleasure in life/games. > > As stated above: Int low key and make them flame. Report them afterwards. Easy ban, easy game dying, easy fun while making other people mad. GG ez. Sometimes is that feeling ,that you play only to see how others getting banned =)) , i one feel like every bad player do that , and there are good players who do that too , i one feel myself a good player ,who learns people that no one is perfect ,and that no ones can be positive and happy ,even if he is honor lv 4 and 5... , so i do broke rules ,what a big deal , i not even get punished ,so that means is perfectly normal ,and that Riot feels my gameplay is normal and i am a normal player ,who really feels benefits for performing trash on this game , is likely is more cool to stress others , than i even realise... , if you don't troll/grief 600 games without to get banned you never been player on this game , challenge yourself to do that , if you succed all my respect , at least for those 12 k hours spended ,you deserve to don't miss that.
: It's all good, I used to flame and try to win. But now when I see a %%%%%% I just have some fun and build whatever is fun for me. Ranked have become dominion games for me. If someone doesn't care and I want to flame him instead I just have fun. I improved (: Thank you Riot and community!
> [{quoted}](name=Need Help Bros,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rQ2PnEPy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-05T20:33:59.932+0000) > > It's all good, I used to flame and try to win. But now when I see a %%%%%% I just have some fun and build whatever is fun for me. Ranked have become dominion games for me. If someone doesn't care and I want to flame him instead I just have fun. I improved (: Thank you Riot and community! same here. , is not community fault exactly ,riot actions consequences , they extend the toxicity and make the toxicity important ,they give us reasons to be toxic , that's how i feel... , i mean as adc player ,i had hundreds fo trollers/griefers in support role , who been toxic, played extremly bad ,had no patience ,troll/grief leaving me bot lane 1 vs 2 ,without to even talk to them , so i am feeling that riot wants people to be toxic and be unhappy , is my personal thought , as i see they don't care about any topic on this board ,who can proof that some parts of them justice system/autofill system/ punishments is broken and not fairly working ,but i finded out that i no need to consume, if the community don't understand , i will make them understand , making fun of them , until they will cry every day on this board .
YipFosh (EUW)
: lol is dead if they don't work carefully
Well harming the game being an asshole ,making everyone angry on you , throwing games, do your best to loss the games , dosn't mather for riot ,and is not punished 14 days ban neither permanent banned , as no one will ever face punishments for that kind of behaviour , while they claim they do what is right , look at me when i say that , i got a second permanent account banned for flame , well i never troll/grief in my life , i did my best to stay calm and to reform ,this game banned me permanent for slight negativity , because of a griefer who trolled without doubts my game , and i not even been insulting his person or gameplay , but i got permanent banned , so what's the leasson i learned ,if riot want assholes in them game ,assholes to be ... , i turned to be how they treat me , and how they treat them community , i one understand that rules must be followed , but in the last time , i realise that riot dosn't care about anything else than just applying rules for everyone equal , so for them dosn't mather hundreds of people suffer from others toxicity , they will notice you when you turn to say something negative , because 3-4 guys are toxic agaisnt you ,some of them troll/grief , and you are the one flamed , and when riot comes and tell you , is your fault for the fact you got banned assume it , well should i assume a ban , for the fact the game is full of toxic behaviour , that's the sad part ... , you are forced to assume punishments for yourself ,even if you ain't even saying something about someone person in real life , and even if you don't insult him , the gameplay insults are likely shouldn't exist ,beside the fact that trolling /griefing happening with or without flame ... , that's the most stupid thingh riot thinks... ,that gameplay criticism rise troll/grief behaviour . I tell you Riot , you miss the point , is not others toxicity why people grief/troll , is you ... , because you treat your players trash , over the fact this game of itself treats them like that , the community inside it , challenges and insult them every day , and if you ask me , a few negative words you can say , among the hundreds of toxicity you see and suffer from , is absolutly stupid , how you can ban someone who get's toxicity over toxicity , and you don't care , you just care about ruinning people accounts and banning players for smallest shit... , even if they been xx months chill/cool ,behind the punishment you going to punish them , that's nothing for you , absolutly nothing ,so how the f1241 i should believe you care about positivity into this game , if i play a whole year , 11 months staying cool/chill , dealing constantly with toxicity ranked , and with 1 month before the end of season , i get punished for shit chat logs... , and on top of that i played only ranked whole year ,so clearly means a lot that you taking your season rewards from me for that... , and much more ,is not just that , is the fact that you can stay 11 months chill , and i am totally sure you don't care if he dosn't comprehend to your rules ,so if a guy stayed only 1 % of an entire time season toxic ,you will not give him the ranked rewards , how fair that sounds for you??? , because you never understand what you do.. , i as player understand .... , and i don't think that because of a foolish reason ,after i lost my honor lv3 checkpoint 2 to get 1 punishment with 1 month before season end ,feels like i don't deserve ranked rewards ,the rewards for which i worked and played ,and suffer hundreds of cases of toxicity against my person , where people told me unpleasure thinghs ,not regarding my gameplay , but really toxic words... , and while i lost a considerable number of games because of troll/grief from others ... , i don't mind for those games ,as you don't mind for anyone time lossed into this game ,while you not even find who grief ,who troll , who dosn't even f1241 care about how he play ranked , so what's the point of this ToS , and punishments , and consequences , if there are people who break ToS points of behaviour , and you do absolutly nothing , you do nothing , and wait your community to be absolutly without behaviour mistakes... More than that , you expect your community to follow your rules ,the rules you don't even care about them , you don't even punish everyone equal regarding them actions and the fact they broke rules ... , and i perfectly understand why people , got so tired to watch you that ,they turned from normal players , into griefing/trolling players , i one got tired , but i don't give up , i waste my time , just to proof Rioters ,that the fact they treat me like shit , will not make thinghs better , and i don't regret any of my actions, in about 11 months i haven't received any punishment for flame ,that's because i shut up , and focused to be shitty player who is so annoying ,who troll/grief ,everyone who don't deserve to win , and everyone who is toxic against me , to proof them , you want to be toxic go ahead , i give you reasons to cry , i give you reasons to be more happy , if you toxic against me , i give you reasons to be angry on Riot ,as Riot gived me reasons to hate them when i was waking up with punishments on top of the stressful enviroment into this game ,sure it wasn't a pleasure for me , so i do extend what happened to me to others , go ahead guys learn to be toxic , to play as you want ... . My point , everyone who is noob ,will get tired eventually and will leave ranked ,everyone who is good , i am sorry for them , that's the life , Riot learned to care only of myself , to don't give a f1241 if i affect the good people of this game , i got affected years in row of toxicity , so i think is fair , if i haven't push troll/grief , that now i push that behaviour ,and season 2020 , and season 2021 , and season 2022 , until the end of this loophole , as Riot ignored my rights , and needs , and refused to put passion in them own game, the passion of everyone slightly die , and i did had passion , still have a bit , i would give up to grief/troll if i would know that there is a Rioter ,who would actually care and understand what i point here ,but sadly i don't see a single rioter into this board to care about players feelings or opinnion . My feelings tell me that i do what is right , if someone hate me for that, i am a very rational guy , basically if i suffer punishments for almost nothing , or i feel there is no justice in the way riot aproach every case , i do myself my own justice ,if riot tends to ignore what shoulded be the right actions and punishments , i will run my own justice system , and i will do myself sure that it worthed at least the wasted time , and i definetly not feeling important if i loss 2-3 hours to have some fun sometimes ,and in same time learn the riot what they shoulded learn long time ago.That not only our actions have consequences ,them own actions have consequences too , and entire community actions have consequences among the game ,every unhappy player will be noticed into this game ,and his voice and actions will never be ignored ,as riot awaits... , no one close eyes , no one ignores , no one forgets who turn them back ,when they spoke from hearth and passion , no one will forget your actions Riot , believe me i can't forget , still remember in the present after 11 months , how i turned to get a lv 167 account permanent banned , and i clearly remember the entire games pointed into reform card ,with what i did , and how others been toxic against me , and i not even need to stress to remember , because such thinghs give me the strength to actually continue my work , and to continue my own justice , regarding what's fair.. , and if i feel your actions not even close of being decent or fair , or normal , i find the feelings to have fun ,when i laught every day of your report system , and your justice system , because it is way more worse than my own... , and i one pull toxicity likely is my job to do it , is so damn easy to stress people ,more likely is such easy to torture people , i am feel like is my duty to proof everyone that, how a good player/person , think about themself they are positive and very calm players who will never be banned ,and i proof them they can be toxic by someone who can stress them enought to collapse and be toxic , i can be that guy who succed to make them so angry , that they will most likely never play again that day ,and still get punishments from Riot , while i will never feel like i did anything wrong , and neither feel concerned , neither will feel bad ,because no one feeled bad about what Riot maded to me , so i think that's equal , everyone who been toxic to people who got permanent bans and writed on board , deserve the whole toxicity in the world ,because they were extending the toxicity of this game without limits , and be so sure that they so positive , i hope they will feel themself as toxic as they been over this board across the years.
Shozis (EUNE)
: There's no need for quality control in ranked. It sorts itself out by having a lot of divisions/tiers. If someone goes into ranked unprepared and with YOLO attitude - let them. They will simply end up in Iron. While those who are more dedicated and ready to improve their skill will climb higher, People who complain about ladder/teammates and want to prevent others from playing ranked are usually those who are salty and delusional about their true skill level. They think they belong higher and only teammates are dragging them down while actually they are exactly where they should be.
> [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8MMbWi4h,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-04T21:07:01.840+0000) > > There's no need for quality control in ranked. It sorts itself out by having a lot of divisions/tiers. If someone goes into ranked unprepared and with YOLO attitude - let them. They will simply end up in Iron. While those who are more dedicated and ready to improve their skill will climb higher, > > People who complain about ladder/teammates and want to prevent others from playing ranked are usually those who are salty and delusional about their true skill level. They think they belong higher and only teammates are dragging them down while actually they are exactly where they should be. well , you think i am delusional if i play from 2012? , i have played lot's of normal games before i throw myself into ranked , to don't ruin others experience ,basically because i knowed i wasn't prepared for ranked , and that i am not good at playing and knowing everything in the game ,but still i manage to learn and be a good player in time ,following guides , runes build , because back then ,there were some complex rune system not the one is right now ,which is much more easy to decide what's good for you... . I grow up playing a complex game , which was indeed having back then players who were playing , not just complaining , giving up , doing stupid plays without shame , that shame that you are a terrible player is gonne , mostly because riot removed it once the toxicity was punished by an automatic system , go tell now someone he is bad at game , or that he is so terrible , that even mario would be hard for him to play .... , and that's not even close to an insult , that's the truth , there are people who ain't good at this game , and feel offensed to find that from people who may or not be that skilled , some of them talk without to know anything about game , but that's the second effect of what means to play this game . I understand there are many people who toxic to others how they play ,while them quality of gameplay ain't such amazing... , i don't consider myself into that category , because i play mostly alone ,that means i have to carry myself my games when my team feed ,or play horrible with hundreds of mistakes ,which is a reason it exhaust me ,because i constantly seen across multiple seasons mistakes who repeat , or are more likely a result of 0 brain action plays... , and that's the sad part , because not everyone have the battle skill and skill to react to something which kills them , or they not even think about how to counter play enemy heroes ... , or how to position , what to focus , if they should build more much armor or magic resist etc... , they not even care in pick lobby if they have mixt ap/ad team , if they have 1 ap and 4 ad is perfectly normal for them ,as long as they have 1 ap... . In my opinnion the ranked mode should be something premium , only for good players who have something to share... , no offense , in my opinnion , bronze ,iron ,silver shouldn't even exist ,for 1 damn icon , is too sad to see them how they struggle ranked... . Instead i would make it likely a skill level requirment to join ranked and be at least gold level , if you pull shit gameplay , you would have to wait to play next year ranked ... ,is my honest opinnion . You are more likely to enjoy then ranked rewards ,if you know that there is a skill level required to play ranked ... , than just throw yourself and oh yeah , you get silver , bronze rank , and honestly , that's not even mean anything for anyone ,but people still play and waste them time ,rather than performing to learn the game ,which is exactly pointing out why ranked promotes low quality gameplay , most of ranked games are low quality poor games ,lossed /winned based on mistakes ... . I know that the games shouldn't suppouse to be that hard to win ,or loss ,but in my own opinnion , when there are games with hundreds of mistakes ,that's not likely to be good neither... I honestly would like to see more skill , than someone who miss spells ,and do crap plays , is my own opinnion , i know i wasn't perfect when i was a new player into this game , but neither feel like someone have to be perfect right now , i just feel like there are hundreds of people who ain't pushing to play normal , and they have no limits when it comes about bad gameplay , that's the issue i don't like to see , and i think no one likes to loss a game, because someone can't control how bad he plays into your ranked game. I feel like there should be everyone happy and have fun , most of silver,bronze,iron complain about teams and are toxic ,and i don't consider that someone can be happy to be silver/bronze/iron , is likely you would say i am terrible regarding others skills into this game ,and that you are happy with that condition ,of being weaker than others ranked... , and that's something , that i don't see people to be happy with that , so more likely some of them try to be better at playing this game , and good for them . My opinnion ,is that normal games would be more a free enviroment to try and do crazy plays ,risk yourself to pull amazing plays... , that's what this games needs , people who know when to all in , and when to don't initiate fights , when to regroup and where ,how to group themself on map and push , or contest enemy objectives . I see people who are likely to start team fights 3 vs 5 ... , because they don't care that them position is risky and that they can get engaged by enemy team , so they f124 up the game , and then cry about x missing fight , y missing fight... , is terrible sad when i see people have no patience.
Rioter Comments
JustTits (EUNE)
: Remove the True Damage from Pyke
riot creates champions who are hard to balance, then they cry , oh we can't nerf it and we can't balance without to make it useless... , so what's up riot , what your team have in mind when they create champions ??? I really hate that pyke champion , so easy to escape ,and is not just about that... , he is really no skill required to play it ... ,range on ultimate is quitly big , dash , + run speed reheal ,his q average to hit ...
Danyka (EUW)
: ADC is the worst role ever
subscribe to the thruth you sayd , i am adc main 2000 games , every game i see same mistakes over and over again , that's the smallest problem , because everyone flames you ,when you support screw up your bot lane , there is so much toxicity in your games as adc, and autofill players are literally trollers assigned by riot to flame you , to troll/grief you , which have no patience , no skill in that role , who destroy your role and bot lane gameplay and just leaving then the bot lane , or going afk + sometimes griefing or refusing to protect or to help you.
duh7 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-09-30T15:16:23.951+0000) > > well the game ain't leave you many options , if there is only 1 hero who blocks spells ,like morgana , what you can do if enemy block it , and yeah sivir would be great against blitzcrank , but still maybe i don't like to play sivir , that means i should be forced to run sivir , because morgana gets banned... , and let's be honest , every blitz/thresh or who ever no want enemy to get morgana will ban her in no time.. ,which really means that you have no options to counter blitz.. , until you don't ban it ,and as there is a quit large number of champions who have broken kit ,is not likely okey to be forced now to run bans over blitz. > > > https://na.op.gg/champion/blitzcrank/statistics/support ,his winrate pass from 50% from last patch to 53% , pick rate increased with 16% ... , and that's not likely to be balanced in my opinnion , according to op.gg , his winrate in 0-25 minuts is around 56%. > > His range on q is instant , and raise difficulty ,i don't think the point of riot is to make a riot annoying , they more likely chase to balance it , making him a pleasure to be played , but i think that this buff coulded be something else ... , instead of moving around the cast range... . > > If he woulded make q reset on every champion pull with 30-40% faster then it would be something more intresting ,but they raised only his capacity to pull you from nowhere and to raise difficulty for everyone who plays against him ,i don't think the problem is just at me , and if you tell me that i should learn to dodge , well aiming with blitz q isn't that difficult in my opinnion , and dodge it , is quit another problem... , cause you can't dodge all the time him... , cause his kite is like that , the point is that you are forced right now to be in the situation that you have to dodge it more often... ,which is the point i maded this topic to discuss over. If he is in position to grab u that is ur problem with positioning coz he shuld not be in minionwave or in bush without vision. His q is now 12sec cd? U dogge it and what? U shuld fk hit him with his fk hand when scribing on all chat "Why are u hiting urself?!" The faster u are the faster u can dogge it so buy shoe to get advantage as 1st item. Its easy to predict his q and punish him after his miss. His mana problems still dont give him a chance to spam q. U want to gold teach u how to play on him? When rito "balance" other champs to the ground nobody bothers but when 1 support that depends on his 1 skillshot to hit and not to be ussless get little buff on it that is a "big" problem. And no they dont give him mechaniclike that coz when they do that he will be lost as easy to play newbie champion. When i see that someone ban me Morgana and i know im support i fk pick leona or tresh and dont bother myself myadc. I can do even more dmg with leo than he can do with blitz on early lvls and ignoring him after his grab is best u can do focusing on killin someone who has dmg. U think after reworks somenody bother that need to learn new mechanic on champs? Little buff for sion and he is a monster and nobody care little buff for jax and he can go from 1v3 to 1v9. They buff trynda to give him his ult even whan he is on heavy cc. That is balance? In my opinion ur cry and rito give a lot more champs to cry on than a low tier blitz with extra 50pp range on q. I remember his nerf on his ult then buff then next nerf.
> [{quoted}](name=duh7,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-09-30T17:34:04.122+0000) > > If he is in position to grab u that is ur problem with positioning coz he shuld not be in minionwave or in bush without vision. His q is now 12sec cd? U dogge it and what? U shuld fk hit him with his fk hand when scribing on all chat "Why are u hiting urself?!" > The faster u are the faster u can dogge it so buy shoe to get advantage as 1st item. > Its easy to predict his q and punish him after his miss. His mana problems still dont give him a chance to spam q. U want to gold teach u how to play on him? > > When rito "balance" other champs to the ground nobody bothers but when 1 support that depends on his 1 skillshot to hit and not to be ussless get little buff on it that is a "big" problem. > > And no they dont give him mechaniclike that coz when they do that he will be lost as easy to play newbie champion. > When i see that someone ban me Morgana and i know im support i fk pick leona or tresh and dont bother myself myadc. I can do even more dmg with leo than he can do with blitz on early lvls and ignoring him after his grab is best u can do focusing on killin someone who has dmg. > > U think after reworks somenody bother that need to learn new mechanic on champs? Little buff for sion and he is a monster and nobody care little buff for jax and he can go from 1v3 to 1v9. They buff trynda to give him his ult even whan he is on heavy cc. That is balance? > In my opinion ur cry and rito give a lot more champs to cry on than a low tier blitz with extra 50pp range on q. I remember his nerf on his ult then buff then next nerf. 1. Is not easy to predict his q ,he can be skilled and hit with very high accuracy his q... , i do know that as i have 2000 games ranked on jinx ,and my w is quit in same range , my thickness from w is lower than blitz q thickness , and that means isn't difficult for him to hit it where he predict you move , and a bit much over you or less.. , every time he will get free track to grab you , he will get more many chances to grab you ,because he have that specific range to reach at you or close to you , and once your flash gets burned is again thaft to play against him , he is extremly aggresive in my opinnion , i do know to dodge most of the skills ,but you know there are players who have skill and know to anticipate the dodge ... , such players will turn this blitzcrank gameplay into a very annoying game ,and as i sayd this game shouldn't be turned in that state that you consider it annoying , same is brand and zyra plants ... , they very stressful as they have huge range to hit skills , for adc means a high difficulty to farm or to rise trades with enemy adc.... . I tryed to explain you as you would understand ,but you seems to keep your own ideea that i am a stupid player ,and that i complain cause i am really stupid at playing this game , i do know to dodge skills , and do my best every game ,but it turns to be extremly broken ,as he now turns to be builded ap , and which turns him in a killing machine , he can alone kill you... , and that's not all ... , every team fight he will be very intresting to play against him , as having extra range he will be able to pull someone at a moment from your team ,which will definetly set a disadvantage for your team... , i just tell you he moves quick , he gets mobility boots + have w ,+ hextech flash , and there are enought items who can buff his movement speed and that's what i call it broken , he is a pulling machine already , and that extra buff wasn't necesary ... , the point he shoulded get some other perks on his q , rather than making it annoying for everyone... , i tell you is not big deal to grab someone with blitzcrank , is not thresh , even thresh hook have some charing time which offers you time to dodge it or to run away.
Rioter Comments
LAFFEN (EUW)
: CLASH HAS RETURNED POG
is too early to search for clash team ?
duh7 (EUNE)
: Xtop fk cry and learn to play on him what he is now. Ur cry is ann9ying a lot more than his q. Where are kogs buffs? i dont fk see it in a long fk time on words and u think i fk cry on forum? If u have problem play sivir or fk morgana and stop crying.
> [{quoted}](name=duh7,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-09-30T12:07:46.811+0000) well the game ain't leave you many options , if there is only 1 hero who blocks spells ,like morgana , what you can do if enemy block it , and yeah sivir would be great against blitzcrank , but still maybe i don't like to play sivir , that means i should be forced to run sivir , because morgana gets banned... , and let's be honest , every blitz/thresh or who ever no want enemy to get morgana will ban her in no time.. ,which really means that you have no options to counter blitz.. , until you don't ban it ,and as there is a quit large number of champions who have broken kit ,is not likely okey to be forced now to run bans over blitz. https://na.op.gg/champion/blitzcrank/statistics/support ,his winrate pass from 50% from last patch to 53% , pick rate increased with 16% ... , and that's not likely to be balanced in my opinnion , according to op.gg , his winrate in 0-25 minuts is around 56%. His range on q is instant , and raise difficulty ,i don't think the point of riot is to make a riot annoying , they more likely chase to balance it , making him a pleasure to be played , but i think that this buff coulded be something else ... , instead of moving around the cast range... . If he woulded make q reset on every champion pull with 30-40% faster then it would be something more intresting ,but they raised only his capacity to pull you from nowhere and to raise difficulty for everyone who plays against him ,i don't think the problem is just at me , and if you tell me that i should learn to dodge , well aiming with blitz q isn't that difficult in my opinnion , and dodge it , is quit another problem... , cause you can't dodge all the time him... , cause his kite is like that , the point is that you are forced right now to be in the situation that you have to dodge it more often... ,which is the point i maded this topic to discuss over.
: Before you start decomposing and explaining _reason_ of toxicity it would be nice if you defined the toxicity _itself_. You know, everyone thinks that it is obvious, but if you try actually saying out loud what you mean, you will be surprised at how no everyone sees it differently than you.
> [{quoted}](name=Rainfollower,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bzllzTJj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-30T09:31:03.149+0000) > > Before you start decomposing and explaining _reason_ of toxicity it would be nice if you defined the toxicity _itself_. You know, everyone thinks that it is obvious, but if you try actually saying out loud what you mean, you will be surprised at how no everyone sees it differently than you. Well the problem is that most of the time , when you talk to someone , he turns to be victim if you say something about them gameplay , not likely to insult him , only to make him notice the fact that he made a mistake , but that's not likely , i would blame them for that , just point out a mistake he should work on ... , and they are likely " stop blame me" or stuffs like that , if i would blame them would be " why the hell you waste flash like that there noob , you haven't learn when to flash " (this would be blame ) , but when you say " why you used flash there , you coulded flash to dodge skill , or run a bit to flash over the wall " (this definetly in my opinnion isn't blame , is just showing him the mistakes and what actions he coulded do and how he coulded us more proper his summoner spell . I personally hate when people push themself to run into enemy to give them kills over kills , most of players have no patience ,and they consume the entire team patience ,when they rush to be aggresive in gameplay , even if they get behind in lane or enemy got already some kills and items ,being more strong than them , and some people just don't realise that if they would have patience would be better than running over and over again on them lane from base cause they die trying to proof something they don't have too do .. I one seen a couple of mistakes like 1000 times + ... ,there are some mistakes everyone do , and that's a reason is being a bit stressful to see same mistake over and over again happening around you , that's my problem , i do sometimes tell people to don't repeat some mistakes ,and how to avoid them , and they just ignore you , and you see them sometimes repeating the mistake , or doing some other mistakes after ... , i am not coach , but if everyone would be on a basic level of knowledge about them role and inform themself about what they have to do ,some tricks to be good in them lane , like "jungler how should gank , path trajectory to gank ... , and how you should aproach the gank " those kind of advices you can learn from a diamond + or platinum player who do tutorials on youtube ,definetly improve in a way your gameplay , cause every small mistake mathers... , a succed gank is indeed important ,as it saves time , and not waste it failing to do one . Recently i been having fun , having a jungler amumu , he came to gank my lane on bot lane ,show himself , then run back , then back in ... , and he was like "thanks for bait me" , he not even aproach the best efficient path to be in position and block enemy retreat ... , and more than this he hesitate and after blame it on the bot lane , quit an exemple of what means to don't be that good at your lane and to raise to be toxic against someone else , i would definetly understand someone who is right in what he say and who knows the game and is right when he talk about something , but the moments you see someone failing in them own role and blaming others , it's already a very annoying situation.. ,then you see him saying " no more ganks bot lane" , and you are likely this guy definetly haven't understood what's jungle ,and you somehow ask yourself , is that what should suppouse to be ranked .. , if someone que into lanes just to be present and blame others that's a problem , i mean everyone should at least know them role very good , then if they have knowledge about someone roles , they can help them with advices in a politly way , 1-2 seasons of such behaviour ,if everyone would put passion into doing that , this game would be more funny to play and less frustrating in any ways . Toxicity would be the best avoided into ranked games , so basicaly i do believe that lv 2 + in honor is definetly necesary to play ranked competitive gameplay ,and encourage only good gameplay, positive feedback/advices , tactics /communication ,positivity among ranked games would rise the level of the ranked games you going to play. P.S : For who believes only 1 man is guilty for a game lossed ,i want to inform you that ,every mistake you do and your teammates they do , is summed togheter and translated in advantage for enemy team , which means that , there isn't just 1 man guilty for lossing the game , and more than this there are games where someone is just better at his role and beat your ally hard.. , or games where you loss because of the fact your team composition isn't at the same level ,and enemy combo and skills counter your team composition. Every mistake maded of someone could make the game more different and harder for your team .
: > A start for this game to be where it should , in my honest opinnion would be to allow only lv 2 honorable players to play ranked !!! , is the most fair thingh i coulded think about , if someone is platinum ,diamond, or upper division , he would have to think twice then if he wants to be toxic or flame someone's person. This would be a bad idea for a number of reasons. First, it would force more toxic players into normals which would ruin the experience for those players. Putting hyper-competitive players in with more casual players never ends well. It will just result in even more toxicity. Second, this wouldn't solve the toxicity problem, only hide it. Here's the thing about punishments. When you increase the punishments in order to control someone's behaviour, yes it might decrease that bad behaviour but for the wrong reasons. Players will be less toxic in the chat not because they believe that behaviour is wrong, but just to avoid the punishment. The result is that sooner or later the player will stop caring about the punishment and then you are back to square one again. This is already starting to happen. Perma-ban someone for being toxic? They just buy a new account and keep on going. The punishment hasn't affected them at all. Flaming in the chat is just a by-product, so punishing the flaming more isn't going to solve the problem. You need to look at the underlying issues. As you correctly noted in your first paragraph a lot of the toxicity comes from the feeling that other people are ruining your chance of climbing the ladder, or that the system is specifically making it harder for you to climb. I'm sure we've all seen the threads and comments talking win-streaks and loss-streaks and how the system tries to keep everyone at a 50% win-rate. Now regardless of whether the conspiracy theories surrounding this are true or not, the players believe the system is actively working against them and so hate the system. Since they can't lash out against the system or against Riot directly, they lash out at the only thing they can - their fellow players. In my opinion one of the things Riot can do to solve this is to make the matchmaking more transparent. For example, why not show us our MMR? Why not allow us to see our teammate's MMR without resorting to a third party website?
> [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bzllzTJj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-30T10:27:10.802+0000) > > This would be a bad idea for a number of reasons. First, it would force more toxic players into normals which would ruin the experience for those players. Putting hyper-competitive players in with more casual players never ends well. It will just result in even more toxicity. Second, this wouldn't solve the toxicity problem, only hide it. well , is them problem if they flame into normal games ,be sure there are same rules they have to respect , and believe me if someone flames in normal games ... , will reduce his level to lv 0 as getting punishment over punishment , which would already mean they have to play 6 months in order to play ranked , is them own problem what they do in that time , the toxicity still exists , but it's more likely to affect and stress someone else into ranked games ,because there the difference between a victory and defeat mathers , so basically you are more likely to flame into ranked games than into normal games... ,beside that you can play to have fun in normal games , to just play without being afraid that you will die , doing amazing plays ,learning to probably be good and position well when you are strong , so you don't loss games and much more... . In my opinnion will not force anything , rules still exists and i don't believe there will be a problem if someone breaks the rules in normal games, but when they would break the rules in ranked would mather... , so basicaly ranked should have standards of what people should be accepted to play ranked ,because that's quit important in my opinnion to hold far people who are too negative and impact ranked games ,throught being toxic to someone , or doing grief/troll. Well , that's the point , if the permanent ban is not a big deal for them , that not playing ranked would mean something for them , they will can't buy accounts over accounts cause they can't play ranked... , is simple and more effective. The mmr formula isn't visible ,because then everyone would chase the parameters which increase your mmr .. , also some other games creators then would take it and use , but i doubt someone would even steal them formula ,as the formula which calculates the mmr , is quitly outdated and definetly ain't following in any ways the performance and difference of performance between players...
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: How can they control behavior in the voice chat? Are they going to make someone listen to hours and hours and hours of voice chat audio or what? It's just a bad idea in general
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oEAyLgJa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-29T21:33:06.185+0000) > > How can they control behavior in the voice chat? > Are they going to make someone listen to hours and hours and hours of voice chat audio or what? > > It's just a bad idea in general is a function who makes your voice message to be writen ,something like a text voice function. I seen it in apex legends , probably is cool ,when yo uwant to send a quick message.
Ebonmaw (EUNE)
: tip for the honnor (the honnor is locked at the bottom ,,, or did they change it to lvl 0 :o ) And one more question. By putting the requirement for a person to be honnor lvl 2 to be abel to play rankeds , wont that make the queue way longer ?
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bzllzTJj,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-29T21:26:38.890+0000) > > tip for the honnor (the honnor is locked at the bottom ,,, or did they change it to lvl 0 :o ) > > And one more question. > > By putting the requirement for a person to be honnor lvl 2 to be abel to play rankeds , wont that make the queue way longer ? No ,because the amount of people who are toxic in ranked would decrease , everyone who reform will not willing to be again toxic if he wants to play ranked , in fact Riot have quit a large amount of players into this game .... , and i don't think someone in plat+ will get affected , as there would be a +++++ reason to don't be toxic at all , low elo will probably first 3 months get affected a bit , but 80% of the player base is platinum/gold/silver/bronze/iron , so basically that's a high number of players ,and you will still find 4 players in your team 5 in enemy team , think like you raise the quality and have more much control over your games ,feeling confortable to play this game in silent , having time for once in life to focus only on yourself and to find out that everyone communicates in a nicer way and that everyone exchange advices maybe , and that they are more calm when you do a mistake , and not constantly annoying you with toxicity.
Ebonmaw (EUNE)
: >if someone is platinum ,diamond, or upper division , he would have to think twice then if he wants to be toxic or flame someone's person. Why should that person think twice tho ?
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bzllzTJj,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-29T21:16:46.912+0000) > > Why should that person think twice tho ? Well , cause if you get punished , you can't pursuit to play ranked , so basically they demote for inactivity , basically for the fact they turned to be toxic , which really motivates you to never run toxicity if you are upper platinum level ... , because that would make your toxicity worthless , likely would not worth to be toxic cause you loss 1 game... , on the other hand , if you get nervous or loss lane , you will think twice before you grief/give up/troll because that would mean if you get catched you can't play next 3 months ranked... or more if you honor lv 0 , as in the case you get when you get banned 14 days if i know well... On the other hand ,why i think honor lv2 is necesary to play ranked ,because toxicity lowers your chances to win games, so basically if you meet someone who have toxic behaviour your chances of winning or performing well that game are decreasing , knowing that everyone is honor lv 2 and above , would set you the feeling that everyone is equal into ranked ,and everyone have the right to play in a fun enviroment , where you can spend time not to flame each other , in fact you can spend your time to listen and improve your gameplay and enjoy playing the game as it is ,knowing you don't have to hear every game someone to be toxic.
Rioter Comments
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: Why toxicity happens
3 months of not playing ranked at all would be indeed a punishment Riot ,and would really help people to set themself into normal games and learn new heroes or do something more usefull with them time , i one would find much more fair ,after someone who troll/grief gets banned if he dosn't get lv 2 honor , at least i would have the release into my hearth that he will be far away of competitive gameplay ... , everyone who is toxic and lower chances to win games in competitive games should be discourage to run toxicity , so this game becomes ,more fairly when it comes to play it competitive ranked mode . People who flame or are toxic will have a further reason to cut once for all with all this toxicity , if they wish to play competitive mode , this will more than surely set limits to people who throw themself to ruin ranked games.
Rioter Comments
Anoligarh (EUW)
: What champion(s) do you find genuinely fun, enjoyable and exciting?
>pudge , sand king , phantom dancer , puck , silencer , those are the most i like. | | | | | | | | >Huh , hope you tasted the joke ;)) , i one feel great to play jinx ,because she moves in a crazy way on map ,and once she get 1 kill she turns in a little devil , worse than teemo.
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-28T09:59:12.902+0000) > > then why they didn't lower other champions hooks range.. ,and let him where he was , i played seasons in row knowing blitz range and accomodate to that , and now riot step in ,let's add 15% of his range extra... , so he can have more chances to be annoying. I played seasons in row knowing rivens cooldowns and now riot comes and changes them and i lose every match why did they change her cooldowns bohooo. It's called adapting to changes saying you just were used to his old range is literally no reason to not buff his hook. A D A P T
> [{quoted}](name=PaG VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-28T17:14:24.244+0000) > > I played seasons in row knowing rivens cooldowns and now riot comes and changes them and i lose every match why did they change her cooldowns bohooo. It's called adapting to changes saying you just were used to his old range is literally no reason to not buff his hook. A D A P T Dude , is not about adapting , i play from season 2 , you have no right to talk to me like i would be a noob , or something , you know pyke had a little much more range than blitz , but his q is loading not , a q who gets max range instantly , which is a quit huge difference . If you really want to make this game look like dota 2 , let then the blitz have pudge hook range ,why not , maybe he pull us out of nowhere and makes this games more frustrating ... , if that's your point that his q is quitly balanced , i tell to say no , because the adc is quitly fragile , placing him in constant danger around a huge range ability will make a stressful game enviroment , which will reduce the pleasure of playing this game , even that a little buff in your opinnion mathers ,because he moves too fast and have constant range ,if his range on hook would scale on max level , then i would understand the buff , but he keeps same range at all the levels of the ability ,which creates problems early ,being extremly powerfull as weapon at distance , played with miss fortune among side a duo bot lane would really make extremly difficult and a stressful game to play if you think that's fun , if you get slow , and he comes behind , you will know more than sure he get more chances to waste flashes or to make you feel akward positioned every time ... , that's the main issue , play of yourself blitz now , and you will understand what i say , he already got lot's of improvments ,people now play it ap and one shot the adc... , is that a pleasure , i don't think so.
F0XH0UND (EUNE)
: Nautilus has not received a skin since 2016!!!
maybe he receive world's championship skin , or end of season skin 20,000 levels under the sea ... , there is a book of Jules Vern , if i translate it's title good :D =)) , maybe they buried nautilus there
: Blitz is all hook, his gameplay is completely hook. Nautilus can lock down and hook, tanky, can 1v1 adc. Pyke can hook and kill + share gold, survive when he shouldn't, huge sustain. Thresh can save you if you miss position with his lantern, poke in line with E, tell all-in champions to %%%% off and HOOK. Blitz can just hook and stop katarina ult, that's it... So the point of playing blitz is to hook, naut, pyke, thresh have something else going for them.
> [{quoted}](name=Vladimir Ρutin,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-26T17:24:53.879+0000) > > Blitz is all hook, his gameplay is completely hook. > Nautilus can lock down and hook, tanky, can 1v1 adc. > Pyke can hook and kill + share gold, survive when he shouldn't, huge sustain. > Thresh can save you if you miss position with his lantern, poke in line with E, tell all-in champions to %%%% off and HOOK. > Blitz can just hook and stop katarina ult, that's it... > So the point of playing blitz is to hook, naut, pyke, thresh have something else going for them. his ultimate cancel shields you receive from your allies , more than this he have quit a good cc on e and q... , and also have a w who buff his speed , let's not talk about mobility boots , and about hextech flash which are both active features which can be used , do you consider now that he deserve a extra range buff on his q... , that extra range on his q ,removes the skill you need to hit that q... , is likely oh common , i have so much time to hit that q ,so i have time to prepare myself and aim proper to q him instant... , and that's because now people will not hurry to hook at the right moment , because they will have lot's of moments they can hook enemy ... , that's the main problem in my opinnion
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T16:18:50.808+0000) > > man , you think is funny to have 1150 range... , from 1000 ??? They only did that change because literally any other hooker had more range than blitz and they want blitz to be the king of hooks. Also the change will literally not matter anymore in a week or two when people got used ot his new range. It's literally the same thing that counterplays it it's called S I D E S T E P P I N G
> [{quoted}](name=PaG VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-27T03:51:23.770+0000) > > They only did that change because literally any other hooker had more range than blitz and they want blitz to be the king of hooks. Also the change will literally not matter anymore in a week or two when people got used ot his new range. It's literally the same thing that counterplays it it's called S I D E S T E P P I N G then why they didn't lower other champions hooks range.. ,and let him where he was , i played seasons in row knowing blitz range and accomodate to that , and now riot step in ,let's add 15% of his range extra... , so he can have more chances to be annoying.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Blitz's hook's velocity is 1800 units / s. Times it takes to reach max hook range: Old: 0,83333333 s. (Includes the cast time) New: 0,8888888 s. (Includes the cast time) The player's reaction and movement time needs to be pretty much the same. The Blitz just got a longer hook range, which is a buff the champ didn't need.
> [{quoted}](name=VIT Laati,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-27T06:31:25.288+0000) > > Blitz's hook's velocity is 1800 units / s. > > Times it takes to reach max hook range: > Old: 0,83333333 s. (Includes the cast time) > New: 0,8888888 s. (Includes the cast time) > > The player's reaction and movement time needs to be pretty much the same. The Blitz just got a longer hook range, which is a buff the champ didn't need. yes , he also can cast it more far away , and generate lot's of changes in terms of people who used to know old range... , and to play against him , so now is likely Riot force 19 mil players to accomodate with a change which is likely a 15% buff of range... , is quit a lot.. in my opinnion how much they increased it .. ,probably that's why i hate this buff ... , cause i played 3-4 seasons with same hook range and now riot add to it extra distance ,which allows him to hook you out of nowhere , and you just wake up getting hooked ... , i seen and hextech flash + his q quit creates problems , it really rise higher the chances for him to catch you
Drda (EUNE)
: I dont think it makes him any more powerful than he was, unless in few lucky cases. It's just the placebo effect, just like people play "buffed" champs (or anything thats buffed in any game) just because it was buffed and thinking nerfed characters are now useless
> [{quoted}](name=Drda,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8VQAINQN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-26T15:49:30.410+0000) > > I dont think it makes him any more powerful than he was, unless in few lucky cases. It's just the placebo effect, just like people play "buffed" champs (or anything thats buffed in any game) just because it was buffed and thinking nerfed characters are now useless man , you think is funny to have 1150 range... , from 1000 ???
Rioter Comments
LooLx79 (EUNE)
: Do you guys like the duration on the root u get from Morg's q?
then her w becomes useless, and her w scaless in time your enemy stays in it... , so basically that's why she root for 3 seconds and not for less , so she is allowed to damage you with w completly Her q moves really slow , you have time to dodge it , more slow than even lux q which have almost same root time.
KerberosFi (EUNE)
: https://scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800/2016/canmathshelp.jpg I would argue it's not only kids who enjoy chance elements. And no, I don't think it's that metalocked due to just during latter week of last patch ToonTV bringing up TF based void sorc comp and suddenly they were seen in masses. It is nothing new, especially in TCGs netdecking is common thing, but still it is usually the best players who innovate things, for fairly good reasons. You have all rights to think it's boring, that is your opinion. However, saying it's game for kids is undermining the fun those playing it have and isn't appreciated. I would never understand why some people find it interesting to collect stamps, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't respect their freedom to choose their hobbies. And the funniest thing is, yes, you are building from what you are given, but I would say you are lying if you claim that is by any means easy. It isn't even remotely easy to me, especially after new patch. Edit:And no, you don't 2 star champs just on basis you get them, atleast that's not what you are supposed to do. You build towards synergies basing on what you get (items and champs) and the start to look for precise comp (or plan of it) and you change these multiple time through out the game.
> [{quoted}](name=KerberosFi,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wb5HfbEc,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T14:30:11.599+0000) > > https://scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800/2016/canmathshelp.jpg > I would argue it's not only kids who enjoy chance elements. And no, I don't think it's that metalocked due to just during latter week of last patch ToonTV bringing up TF based void sorc comp and suddenly they were seen in masses. It is nothing new, especially in TCGs netdecking is common thing, but still it is usually the best players who innovate things, for fairly good reasons. You have all rights to think it's boring, that is your opinion. However, saying it's game for kids is undermining the fun those playing it have and isn't appreciated. I would never understand why some people find it interesting to collect stamps, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't respect their freedom to choose their hobbies. > > And the funniest thing is, yes, you are building from what you are given, but I would say you are lying if you claim that is by any means easy. It isn't even remotely easy to me, especially after new patch. > > Edit:And no, you don't 2 star champs just on basis you get them, atleast that's not what you are supposed to do. You build towards synergies basing on what you get (items and champs) and the start to look for precise comp (or plan of it) and you change these multiple time through out the game. To be honest i don't care so much , not even if they put patches , i haven't touch that gamemode since release ,and then i used to play with some friends cause i didn't wanted to play ranked solo/duo with them ,as they was bad when was comming to play ranked games togheter =)) , for me to waste 34 minuts to gain 4 lp ,seems like is a joke , and not even about that , i don't hate the game mode because i am bad at it , i had some wins on it playing and finishing place 1 and 2 ... , but i stoped because i feel it 0 satisfaction according to the time you spend to play it , the game mode look so slow .. so long ,even normal action gamemodes like ranked summoner rift games end faster.. ,and you have much more to do than just think what to buy when to buy and etc... , is what gives me notion to actually worth to waste my time in that game mode or not ... , definetly for me dosn't worth ... , and neither feels alright to even run competitive it , is just like ,since i been born playing action games and games who interaction with my actions,strategy games more fun to play ,and now i suddenly like to play chess online ... , that's what i feel , it dosn't fits my taste and nothing can trick my taste in what means a good game , i am more than sure this gamemode is a way to make chess fun to play ,but still in my mind ,even playing the clasic chess is more demanding than playing TFT ... , because there is a move you have to make and think about enemy move... , here in TFT you don't experience that so much , you don't have that much control over what kills what... , is extremly stupid.. , i would even accelerate the team fight actions with 2 x , so i make the game mode faster... , since isn't important... , to sleep there and watch how your heroes auto move and get stuck and not hit enemys... etc...
: > there are already champions like zed ,who relay only on themself not over them team , many more champions who are extremly balanced when it comes to play them and carry your teams , i don't see why you scared about that ... , is not like does mather a bit of extra damage ,when the result is same ... , i mean you still have to find out a way to focus who is strongest to win , so basically is likely same situation... > Instead let me explain what they can do , they can buff basic damage on adc heroes ,then decrease the damage growth so it's balanced around same value , a bit of extra damage dosn't do bad for this game ,think about having much more power to finish a target , when you fight 2 vs 2 ,is hard to even finish your target before it run tower and escape... , is not as simple as you think to play adc... , and neither seems to be that easy to pull yourself in advantage as i sayd... , because is extremly slow ... ,and pokes would change in fact that , you can poke then catch your enemy and kill , for me seems a very slow game ... , is not the same as it happens to be top/mid... , they play 1 vs 1 , i play bot lane 2 vs 2 , and if my support is useless i play 1 vs 2... ,that's all it mather... But again, adcs are already the strongest class in the game, bot lane offers more advantages than any other lane... why the hell should adcs get buffs to help them create more advantages when they alrwady get double the amount than any other lane. > I don't think there are top laners weak , for exemple irelia is quitly strong ,she can easy farm and have high mobility , played good she is a monster ,same riven, renekton ,tryndamere ,jayce, jax,fiora etc... But all of them need to get twice the amount of advantages than an adc to be stronger than them... they are getting less gold and less objectives than the bot lane. For a top laner to be meaningfully fed the enemy top laner needs to feed big time, for a bot laner to be meaningfully fed they just have to have won lane. > Mid lane there are strong heroes who easy can 1 vs 1 , so for them isn't a problem the mid lane , the poke mathers for them... , as it mathers for my role too , being adc main , is hard to poke someone , and when enemy team gets a healer/shielder , is even more difficult to poke ,and to take advantage on pokes and hold enemy adc far of farm etc... But it doesn’t... cause in the end that 1v1 doesn’t matter. The mid laner can’t carry on their own and if their bot lane loses they’ve lost regardless. Mid lane is won by who can roam bot the most, not who can win their own lane. > In my opinnion the adc needs to have his oportunities to secure himself to be strong , likely to don't depend if his team make throught the early game and resist until mid game, late game , so that means i have lower chances to win a game than others just because i am adc , if my team screw hard the early game ,and i can't do much to repair the game , if i don't take few kills on begin as advantage , for me is extremly difficult sometimes to do that ,expecially when enemy plays safe ,and jungler step into bot lane , when i am overhelm enemy bot lane having a good poke over them , but having a good poke over them means to also have a support who helps you. But again you get bigger leads than anyone else, why should you be given an easier time securing these leads And again why should an adc win a 2v2 on their own. The better bot lane should win, doesn’t matter if your better than the enemy adc if your support isn’t good and both enemy bot laners are good then they are the better bot lane... they deserve to win more than you do. ___ All I’m getting from this is that your selfish. You want to completely invalidate support’s by making the adc able to 2v1, you want adc to be the strongest in the game, and you don’t care what this will do to the other 4 roles.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WmqKM7np,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-26T12:34:20.342+0000) > > But again, adcs are already the strongest class in the game, bot lane offers more advantages than any other lane... why the hell should adcs get buffs to help them create more advantages when they alrwady get double the amount than any other lane. > > But all of them need to get twice the amount of advantages than an adc to be stronger than them... they are getting less gold and less objectives than the bot lane. > For a top laner to be meaningfully fed the enemy top laner needs to feed big time, for a bot laner to be meaningfully fed they just have to have won lane. > > But it doesn’t... cause in the end that 1v1 doesn’t matter. The mid laner can’t carry on their own and if their bot lane loses they’ve lost regardless. Mid lane is won by who can roam bot the most, not who can win their own lane. > > But again you get bigger leads than anyone else, why should you be given an easier time securing these leads > > And again why should an adc win a 2v2 on their own. The better bot lane should win, doesn’t matter if your better than the enemy adc if your support isn’t good and both enemy bot laners are good then they are the better bot lane... they deserve to win more than you do. > > ___ > > All I’m getting from this is that your selfish. You want to completely invalidate support’s by making the adc able to 2v1, you want adc to be the strongest in the game, and you don’t care what this will do to the other 4 roles. Is not about winning 2 vs 2 on your own , is about removing that stress and frustration of being useless , of being extremly garbage if someone else is under your value ... , is so simple , i do love this game , and i am so happy and feel the fun and enjoy the game when i catch a support who know to play his lane , but most of the time , 80% of the player base do worse plays on support which ain't in standards of what means to play good support lane , and i am not kidding here ,because even main players on support haven't understood clear that they have to be better than enemy support ,or that they have to pull some advantage for them lane and not just stand there inert ,waiting for enemy to win the game... I do believe the strenght of adc isn't close to what it used to be , if you remember well , in season 4-5-6-7 there was the issue of having an adc full build min 30 or less , now let me be honest ,if all mathers is the farm , and the pokes /trades dosn't mather then what are we doing here... , is not a farming simulator this game , is about skill , and i one feel like my runes ain't anymore that strong to let me do what i used to do in past in terms of pokes/trades , more than that the quality and gameplay in support role decreased significantly , people play morgana and miss spells so easy ,that i am oh god ,how hard it can be to hit a skill around enemy ,but they miss it with huge gaps of space... , so bad skill they have... , is like they chase the spot where enemy will flash =)) , as a joke , cause there are people who take in calc and the flash ,but that's another mather of skill. I one don't want to empower adc ... , i just want him to have more chances to win his early and take an advantage which means if he is good and get a bit strong he will win the game , if he is noob and position bad , dosn't mather how many items he have ,how much damage he have ,or what score and how much gold is ahead , because he loss the game as soon as he die... , and enemy team knows to deal and focus over the aspects who must die first then who is the second ,imediatly from mistakes in team fights... , or prior a team fight.
KerberosFi (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wb5HfbEc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-25T16:40:15.550+0000) > > lol ,who plays TFT , i mean that gamemode is for under 14 years players , who ever have something important to do with them life definetly not loss them time to play a random auto chess , don't even consume yourself , find something else to do with that time you used to play TFT , i am sure there are a couple of solutions to kill your time and have fun. Give reasoning on why do you think it is game for under 14-olds. Secondly I don’t see it more waste of time than any other game, given that the player is enjoying it. It is using one’s personal leisure time, not anything more or less. There is no set value other than the person decides to give it.
> [{quoted}](name=KerberosFi,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wb5HfbEc,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-09-26T10:56:34.953+0000) > > Give reasoning on why do you think it is game for under 14-olds. Secondly I don’t see it more waste of time than any other game, given that the player is enjoying it. It is using one’s personal leisure time, not anything more or less. There is no set value other than the person decides to give it. first of all , is everything involve luck , not that much skill necesary , further more there is a boring gamemode , which only allows you to switch a few thinghs , monotony is indeed the most boring thingh at that gamemode... , is not like you can take something and inovate a change or something ... , is really metha locked gameplay , is hard to evolvee or to inovate something new into it ,that's the biggest problem. While i consider it a boring game mode for my age , i do claim it is boring even for kids , not even kids would play it... . I really woulded enjoy it , if the gameplay of TFT woulded look some kind of a monopoly game mode , but not an automatic chess . The other reason i don't like it , is that you have multiple random enemys, is hard to build yourself to counter enemy desk... , that's the stupidity in that gamemode , you build what ever the game offers you , and what you can make lv 2 , lv 3 ... ,is so damn simple , not complex in my opinnion.
DoomKnives (EUNE)
: RIOT ruinned TFT
lol ,who plays TFT , i mean that gamemode is for under 14 years players , who ever have something important to do with them life definetly not loss them time to play a random auto chess , don't even consume yourself , find something else to do with that time you used to play TFT , i am sure there are a couple of solutions to kill your time and have fun.
: > well in fact ,if i take a premade support i can do that of myself too.... , without any improvments ,the thingh is that the game should be balanced for playing alone ... , and believe me , you rather have a skilled adc who have capacity to carry your team to victory than have a bot lane who struggle to survive and pull normal plays... No... not in the slightest. It’s a team game, the better team should win it’s not a solo game. What the hell are tanks or supports meant to do if the game was balanced around solo play, the entire game and every champion is built and balanced around there being 4 other teammates... especially bot laners. > Who ever would face a good adc player... , will have to learn to focus him , like everyone in diamond ,grandmaster ,master ,challenger do , this game isn't just about playing it and do something over there and bum you win the game ,you must think and put some brain in your plays... . But then that’s the problem... you have to play around the adc... this is the same every single game. Top laners get apsolutly no attention and don’t matter in the slightest, mid lane only benefit those that can roam bot lane they can’t play around top or their own lane, jungle is forced to camp bot to get any impact cause if they gank somewhere else and the enemy ganks bot they are now behind, support has to play around bot not roam... and adc has 4 people after them all game. Which ever bot lane wins is the one that wins the game... no other lanes matter beyond using them to get your bot ahead. This isn’t fun for anyone invokved especially bot laners. Adc can’t have mote focus on them they are already leagues ahead of everyone else... power needs to be put into all the other lanes first so that a top laner can win or loose lane and for it to actually affect the outcome of the game. ___ That’s the hypocritical thing about this... you want adc to be decided by who is the better adc, but by doing so you make it so that the better adc wins the game. How do you think the top laner who’s way better than the opposing top laner feels because their adc got outclassed so they no longer matter. By trying to get more for your lane you %%%% up the rest of us.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WmqKM7np,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-25T00:27:42.736+0000) > there are already champions like zed ,who relay only on themself not over them team , many more champions who are extremly balanced when it comes to play them and carry your teams , i don't see why you scared about that ... , is not like does mather a bit of extra damage ,when the result is same ... , i mean you still have to find out a way to focus who is strongest to win , so basically is likely same situation... Instead let me explain what they can do , they can buff basic damage on adc heroes ,then decrease the damage growth so it's balanced around same value , a bit of extra damage dosn't do bad for this game ,think about having much more power to finish a target , when you fight 2 vs 2 ,is hard to even finish your target before it run tower and escape... , is not as simple as you think to play adc... , and neither seems to be that easy to pull yourself in advantage as i sayd... , because is extremly slow ... ,and pokes would change in fact that , you can poke then catch your enemy and kill , for me seems a very slow game ... , is not the same as it happens to be top/mid... , they play 1 vs 1 , i play bot lane 2 vs 2 , and if my support is useless i play 1 vs 2... ,that's all it mather... I don't think there are top laners weak , for exemple irelia is quitly strong ,she can easy farm and have high mobility , played good she is a monster ,same riven, renekton ,tryndamere ,jayce, jax,fiora etc... Mid lane there are strong heroes who easy can 1 vs 1 , so for them isn't a problem the mid lane , the poke mathers for them... , as it mathers for my role too , being adc main , is hard to poke someone , and when enemy team gets a healer/shielder , is even more difficult to poke ,and to take advantage on pokes and hold enemy adc far of farm etc... I personally feel like the adc is much more weak than it should early ,it slowly kills all the pleasure to play this game , and i do say that after 2000 games not to take anything ... , i just feel like there is no more life in playing it , if you don't start strong , and your team feeds top/mid/jungle , you are so screw.... , i mean yeah you can do something but only after you reach some core items... , and not even then isn't a guarantee way to win your games... . There are champions who can tank over 70% of the damage ... , i played leona support , and i do max w , and build armor , she is extremly hard to be killed ,build some hp on her and she is an early tank in no time.. , same braum ,garen etc... In my opinnion the adc needs to have his oportunities to secure himself to be strong , likely to don't depend if his team make throught the early game and resist until mid game, late game , so that means i have lower chances to win a game than others just because i am adc , if my team screw hard the early game ,and i can't do much to repair the game , if i don't take few kills on begin as advantage , for me is extremly difficult sometimes to do that ,expecially when enemy plays safe ,and jungler step into bot lane , when i am overhelm enemy bot lane having a good poke over them , but having a good poke over them means to also have a support who helps you. I like to feel that pleasure of having your enemy angry , likely to pull him in a state he hates that i am better than him , to have fun that's all it mather ,i like those games ,when junglers gank my lanes over and over again ,because i crush my enemys door to them victory , i really feel then like that's how my games should be normaly , like my games should show the difference between me and enemy extremly hard , i like when i see enemy complaining about them adc , and talking good about me , that's my pleasure to play good , if you take that from me , what i should play for , to hold into farming 20 minuts , and then watch how my team surrender , or over feed enemy and makes my game to be a frustrating game to play , is like i play 20 minuts , i wait to be strong to get my items ,and wake up with a zed mid who have 10 0 ... , tell me then where are my chances to win the game , if he focus weakest target and he can so easy kill me , and on top of that if i manage to pull only farm , then i am clearly not as strong to even make a difference in my team , or to pull a victory for myself.
: ADC or Marksmen are actually one of the strongest, if not the strongest type of champions and most of them are scaling champions; meaning their power comes out in mid-late game when they've 2-3 items, with few exceptions like {{champion:119}} {{champion:51}} who are strong in early game too. Idk about past, but right now it is all about playing safe to get gold lead and farming, turret plates are ideal for this. Instead, ADC players go push for no reason most of the times on top of not farming and not taking turret plates, leading to deaths. With 2 roles (ADC+Supp) bot lane can snow ball well, take turret fast and take drake or move to mid/top to extend the lead. In solo queue, top rarely helps bot lane, mid lane roaming is usually after level 6 and first 5 mins or so there is only jungler ganking. If an adc (as well as a supp) is not positioning properly, getting low before the jungler is ganking, the first gank will be an easy kill; even without jg, if opponent can punish out of position adc well, it is easy kill. I agree that supports don't position well, don't hit all skill shots-but that doesn't justify adc's bad positioning; imo adc's main goal should be to hit like 8-9cs/min score, always prioritize their safety because only an alive adc can do damage. Also, remember that most of the times the supp will be autofilled and may not even know how to play supp or duo lane. Expecting support to be the out of jail card is totally wrong even though it was the trend last season where shield/heal supports were strong and adc can position badly and take no/less damage due to shields. That got nerfed and right now, damage>shield; even if I play a supp like {{champion:117}} (i agree she is weak) and shield, most of the times opponents can do more damage than the shield value-meaning adc players need to learn positioning. Once they get like 15-20 cs lead, it is worth a kill and over time they can scale up well even if there is no kills. tldr: Ideally farming and turret plates are very reliable ways of getting the gold adc needs to scale up; position well and play safe, get items and then it is really hard to stop adc from having huge impacts. gl hf {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=maayonmaayan,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WmqKM7np,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-25T09:43:52.077+0000) > thank you for your advices , i know pretty much all you sayd there , i am playing from season 3 , and i do know to position ,but sometimes is that difficulty you occur to play ... , while your support refuses to do his best in helping you to win the lane , probably most of them awaits only to leave the lane , or to catch late game where they can have freedom to walk and help much more people , what i try to say , is that most of them don't focus on them duty of being support ,sometimes they protect the wrong person , or just not use efficient them spells , that's due to lack of skill , if my enemy have a better support , dosn't mather he will win against me , even if i do have some experience ,because is simple to basic attack as adc... , a support difference is definetly mathers ... ,while me as adc , i can't really be that far distance of what enemy adc is ... , because the game itself dosn't allows me , if the damage would be higher for adc early ,the pokes would mather , the skill and trades would mather more , and i would have more strength if i am good to obtain the victory , is quitly simple what i wanted to share here... , now is not only about that , think about the fact that if i do get a bit extra damage as adc early ,and get growth damage per level reduced , i tehnical get just an early buff which allows me to share my skill much more easy ,likely if my enemys don't know to trade vs me , i have more chances to win my lane and get a consisten advantage into having the posibility to be a carry for team in middle game or late game...
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