: > Oh I will go down with this but lets just make a deal in here if at the end i proved to you that i am right you admit it don't just try to twist your words around it to make it just looks like you are right and i will do the same too so here we go... If in two years of you playing him the same amount as you did old xin if he is still inferior I will admit it then... until then you can't compare... I shall explain why later. And I haven't twisted your words...in fact I haven't used your words at all. I don't need to, this is an discussion that comes up every single rework, i might as well just copy and paste cause this has all happened before and unfortunately for you it doesn't go in your favour. > Xin's combo was (q+w two seconds and then e) and by removing anything from the equation then it's not a combo anymore, let me explain it to you in an easier way, in an early game lets say xin vs yas, lee, jax, yi or trynd all of them are op when in early game in a 1v1 fight they wont run from it so here is how it will go down xin will approach at any one of them with q+w (the old's xin q had a very op dmg upon 3 hits 60-40-30 and the w had 50% increased attack speed + extra magic damage upon every single hit + his own passive the armor pen.) so the enemy wouldn't expect that much of a damage so when they figure that they have to make a run for it here comes xin's e with a slow so even if the enemy flashed he's still on slow u will flash after and kill him and he wouldn't be able to make a run of it) now after they switched the attack speed from w to e the combo is trashed, there is no more combo in it, just a waste of time and a useless champ. Of course this equation will be changed once u reach level 6 and according to which champion you are playing against but i wont talk about all of that it will take ages and also cause i am just proving to you that the combo is totally changed and ruined. That's still one combo... thus what I said early still fully applies... he had one single combo, now he has ways to have multiple combos. That combo also relies on them trying to fight you... 90% of champions won't try to fight in a gank unless fed and all of them would just back off if they have half a brain because they understand xin is a duelest thus isnt someone you mess with... that's common knowledge, usually lost in low elo but still not rocket science. So your main combo wouldn't work in almost every situation... that's why you have to lead with E a lot of the time, anyone who hasn't underestimated xin would never let you walk up... simple as that. So your idea of what xin is basically boils down to if xin ever becomes popular he is no longer xin cause that combo wouldn't work... it is actually very similar to stuff like top lane tahm, incredibly strong but only cause people never see him... same here. > Before you wrote this paragraph did you make any calculations or any kind of study about it because really you are 100% wrong actually 200% wrong, everything you said in this paragraph was wrong wrong wrong and here is why with CALCULATIONS (now we are talking) In early game with old xin while on level 1 he will start by maxing his w and then his q and then his e and if he stopped at maxing and continued farming the jungle by using his smite he will finish the whole jungle in 3:35 minutes without scutlers with full hp, now within the new xin he will finish the whole jungle in 4:42 minutes with 60-65% left from his hp what a tragedy but anyway, so you said quickly and efficiently Firstly those aren't calculations, they are experiments... calculating requires you to figure all that out using just a calculator... which ya didn't do. Secondly... when you first played xin all those years ago did you on your first day manage to pull all that off... did you know instantly how to maximize clear speed and efficiency or was that something you learnt over the years... I can guarantee you it was the later... the same applies to new xin, you where gonna clear slower and less efficiently because you havent learnt how to optimize it... You've now gotta deal with cast times and skill shots, that's something your falling down on. I'm gonna use sion as an example... bare with me here. When you cleared the jungle with old sion it was pretty similar to xin (actually old AD sion is very similar to old xin... our single combo worked the same as yours), you'd max your E, use W and Q for cc and extra damage and auto attack everything in the camp... went similar speed to xin and you stayed very healthy (all things considered... your autos did hurt you so...). Try that with new sion and the raptors will murder you... the dynamic of the clear changed considerably, because of cast times. Now you have to charge your Q and W before you aggro the camp, that way you get the entire camp hit without taking the damage you would have if you aggroed first then used it. Apply that to xin... your attack speed is still there, your Q is still there, your E is still there, your heal is still there... the difference is that before you never had to stop auto attacking which meant you are dealing damage and healing constantly... now you have to stop auto attacking to use your W, but if you line it up and use it before the camp attacks you you can damage the whole camp speeding up your clear time (hitting everything at once is always gonna speed things up considering xin was entirely single target before) and as your using it before getting hit your not costing health thus your gonna do the clear with more health. So try that and see how it goes... You've gotta work with a new dynamic, everyone who has gone through a rework has had to deal with the same. > you also mentioned getting out faster in which you were very wrong about it after we done the calculations you can double check that by yourself to see if i am right or wrong, at the beginning of the game you start with 500 golds its very obvious when you're jungle what items you should buy to be more efficient but I will leave you to try with any start up items you want till you make it faster than the old xin in which you won't tho. > So now that I've proved you wrong on the more efficient and faster thing lets get to the rest. AoE = faster clear so long as your landing it correctly... that's common sense. You've now got your W and as your maxing your E first (if that turns out to be the best first max... might not be) your gonna have even better AoE meaning faster clear. So long as you understand how to optimize it you will go faster than before. > No bro he is not the same champion anymore, not even close, this is a shadow of a good champion and it breaks my heart cause I am a main xin not just a main xin I had even become xin. Exact same Q, exact same E, W was split between the passive and E, R is the exact same plus a pseudo kayle ult, plus new W. It's the same champion... just juggled around and will require you to get used to him again, something you don't seem to understand (just cause your an old xin main doesn't mean your instantly an expert on new xin...). > Oh i respect the past but I wont embrace this future, not cause xin was destroyed and stuff like that, it's for the false propaganda that riot made. They said this was a buffing rework in which it wasn't, it was a deep nerf indeed and when they announce that i will be gone in peace... Except riot never called it a buff... reworks are never buff, they are a change to begin with. He might be stronger once we understand him but a reworked champion always feels weaker especially to mains because they try to force them into what the old champion used to do (which is exactly what you are doing). But what riot said was that this will give new options to xin in terms of combos (this happened), make him less binary (this happened), give him an actual niche outside of generic diver/dueler #9 (which happened), and to actually give him room to thrive instead of being unable to cope in most situations (this happened)... none of these means buff, it will make xin's life a bit easier but that's not gonna mean a buff to what xin was already good at, that's just gonna be the same if not worse, but him not being as good at the one thing xin was good at before doesn't by any means mean he is weaker. And if your unwilling to even try to adapt to changes then this isnt the game for you... It's built on changes and adaptability... if your unwilling to deal with the inevitability of this then you prob shouldn't be here.
> That's still one combo... thus what I said early still fully applies... he had one single combo, now he has ways to have multiple combos. Now he has no combos actually, can you be more accurate and tell us or teach us about his new combos in here :) .. As for me I will say there is not even one good combo left for him now and here is why: his W now is weaker same as his Q so he wouldn't start a fight with w+q and then e like old xin however, he can possibly start with e+q or e+w which will lead to that any champ can counter it by just walking away:D and you can't touch him soon cause your cooldown of your e is 11 seconds (oh yeah its 11 secs feels like warwick w in here:D), so e+w and e+q are out and obviously you can't start by q+w like old xin or you will die so teach us the new many combos you are talking about, here is a list of the top xin zhao players (http://www.lolskill.net/top/skillscore?filterChampion=5&filterPlatform=) and we all agreed that there is not even one good combo for the new xin we all have private chat room for us and I am talking on behalf some of them so if you proved us wrong I will call myself a blinded player and won't qualify myself as a professional anymore and there is no shame on that. I don't know about them tho :).. So bottom line, the only combo left for him is to w from a distance and back off some time and then w again till u damage the enemy a little bit so you can probably face him with q+w and save e till late or the otherwise and I won't call this a combo cause its not a combo its just a playing style like hide and seek but combos for new xin are out. > Firstly those aren't calculations, they are experiments... calculating requires you to figure all that out using just a calculator... which ya didn't do. Yes we used a calculator, I am not kidding we really did. However, I wont post them in here cause it will takes a lot of time for me to do it all over again but if you insist I will repeat them and post them here just for you:) .. > Now you have to charge your Q and W before you aggro the camp, that way you get the entire camp hit without taking the damage you would have if you aggroed first then used it. This way stills make you farm slower than old xin thanks for admitting it:).. > Apply that to xin... your attack speed is still there, your Q is still there, your E is still there, your heal is still there... the difference is that before you never had to stop auto attacking which meant you are dealing damage and healing constantly... now you have to stop auto attacking to use your W, but if you line it up and use it before the camp attacks you you can damage the whole camp speeding up your clear time (hitting everything at once is always gonna speed things up considering xin was entirely single target before) and as your using it before getting hit your not costing health thus your gonna do the clear with more health. You will never clear it with more health than the old xin did, cause actually the old xin had the ability to clear all the jungle without using smite and finish with full hp so how will the new one probably do the same and remain more health than a full hp?? > So try that and see how it goes... You've gotta work with a new dynamic, everyone who has gone through a rework has had to deal with the same. We have tried every possible build for the new xin tank, AS, AP, AD, Half AD half AS, lethality, full lethality,etc.. and nothing works, never better than the old one, not even close, not even the same. But once again tell us about a new build and a new way that's gonna make us finish the jungle faster and more efficiently than the old xin (early and late game). > AoE = faster clear so long as your landing it correctly... that's common sense. You've now got your W and as your maxing your E first (if that turns out to be the best first max... might not be) your gonna have even better AoE meaning faster clear. So long as you understand how to optimize it you will go faster than before. IF you didn't start by maxing your e you will end up by getting executed :). I have said that before with more details and i dont have to copy and paste it again you can already see it in my previous reply. > Exact same Q, exact same E, W was split between the passive and E, R is the exact same plus a pseudo kayle ult, plus new W. It's the same champion... just juggled around and will require you to get used to him again, something you don't seem to understand This one really made me laugh, no offense but it just did. Exact Same Q?? I have to ask you this, did you try the new xin or not yet? Did you even read about the patch update? Anyway here it is, old xin zhao's Q (Three Talon Strike) deals increased damage 45/60/75 (+120% Attack Damage), on the other hand new xin zhao's Q deals damage 15/20/25 (+40% bonus Attack Damage) ..So it's exactly the same :D !? As for the W(Battle Cry), old one was much better in damage because it gives him critical strike on every third attack 25/37.5/50/62.5/75% additional damage plus bonus 20/25/30 ability damage upon EACH hit plus on every third hit he heals himself for 30/35/40/45/50 (+40% bonus Attack Damage). As for the new W it gives you Slash: 30 Attack damage and Thrust: 30 AD and as for his new passive he heals himself for every third hit 22 hp, the old one he healed himself much much more as described above. As for switching the attack speed from W to E was the worst thing to happen not only cause it destroyed his only good combo but also cause it totally destroyed his advantage as a jungler champion on sweeping the jungle faster than any other champ because simply the cooldown on w is 5 seconds while on e 11 secs so you will get all the above damage i just said plus the 50% attacks speed+ bonus AP upon each hit + basic attack damage upon each hit + healing upon each third hit every 5 seconds, now after the switching and totally changing the w effect its all trashed and you will get now the 50% attack speed every 11 seconds instead of 5 not to mention that the amount of healing on the old one was much more than that in his new passive. > (just cause your an old xin main doesn't mean your instantly an expert on new xin...). Yes I am not and I will never be cause to me its a brand new trash champion. But you seems to be the expert in here as you keep on saying that the new xin is better in jungle than the old one so please teach us how and if you finished the jungle early game in 3:35 like old xin then you are right about every single thing and I am wrong about every word I said. > Except riot never called it a buff... reworks are never buff, they are a change to begin with. He might be stronger once we understand him but a reworked champion always feels weaker especially to mains because they try to force them into what the old champion used to do (which is exactly what you are doing). They called it a buffing re-work to make a better champ please watch the video again. As for the ways upon how to use the new xin and as i described the big difference upon the damage dealt by old xin to the new one and these stuff I will wait till you or anyone break the old xin record in jungle and prove the otherwise. > but him not being as good at the one thing xin was good at before doesn't by any means mean he is weaker. I think we will get pass this one as I just proved with numbers that old xin was much more stronger, I can prove it also with strategies if you want me to. > And if your unwilling to even try to adapt to changes then this isnt the game for you... It's built on changes and adaptability... if your unwilling to deal with the inevitability of this then you prob shouldn't be here. You are right about that, I shouldn't be here, as soon as riot announce that this was a deep nerf to xin not a buffing rework I will be gone. It's the least that I can do to Xin because to me he wasn't just a champion.
Eveninn (EUW)
: Didn't he just get a buff to his ult and an additional spell? <.<
Yes his ulti got buffed but his Q was nerfed and the 50% attack speed on his w was reverted to e which destroyed his right combo. He is pretty much trashed now, the already forgotten champion will be more forgotten soon.
: Don't worry, the moment he will pass for OP in a few days or so, you will be back spamming it and you won't care a s@@y about your own words here. Count on that.
Read what I said please and you will understand that he got nerfed not buffed.
: Is anyone else starting to hate playing League of Legends?
After they destroyed Xin Zhao I am about to..[](https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/cQL4XbtU-xin-zhao-is-destroyed)
: > [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=cQL4XbtU,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-09-27T23:43:21.194+0000) > > Key word there being &quot;the&quot;... he has one combo, that makes him binary, difficult to balance, and extremely single minded. None of these things are acceptable these days thus the rework... he needs options. > > And guess what, that combo is still in the game... So it&#x27;s not like anything got ruined. > > Nope... because what you don&#x27;t seem to understand is that new xin has all of the potential that old xin had plus extra.. you just have to learn how to do it. > Remember skill expression, ain&#x27;t gonna be as simple as right clicking anymore, but once you get the jungle clear down you will clear quickly and efficiently... might not get out with as much health but the extra AoE in your kit means your getting out faster which is a good trade off. > > So you just need more practice... practice clearing techniques or routes which allow you to do what you like. > > You&#x27;ve literally already explained why this is wrong for me. > > 2 years... you played xin for two whole years, practicing and getting better with him... You&#x27;ve played new xin for a day, if that... of course your not gonna be doing as well with him, you havent spent nearly as much time mastering him. And remember your trying to play him exactly like old xin which isn&#x27;t gonna work... you need to learn how to play xin again. > > Exact same thing happened with fiora, she was reworked but people played her exactly like old fiora... people then said she was dead... next patch she was way too strong. > Actually similar things happen for literally every single rework... mains say they are dead when it&#x27;s the mains that are in the wrong not the champion. > > Remember, exact same stuff in his kit plus extra... you just need to learn how to utilize it > > Do you not think I know that... no offence but you&#x27;ve gotten off lightly compared to others in the community. > > I used to main old AD sion, played and perfected that about as long as you have with xin... he was then reworked, and unlike xin where he is still the same champion but with a new angle you&#x27;ve gotta work with sion lost everything baring a shield and health gain... And every single thing that made old AD sion what he was is completely dead. > So don&#x27;t say I don&#x27;t understand, I know full well what it&#x27;s like to lose a main in this way... more so than you will have to know. This is why I make sure to comment on threads like this, cause I know exactly what your going through... this all happened to me 3 years ago and nowadays you wouldn&#x27;t even realise it... > > You&#x27;ve gotta make a choice, stay dedicated to xin and relearn him or get out of dodge... but complaining on the boards isn&#x27;t gonna help with this decision, but you&#x27;ve gotta give xin a chance, treat him as something separate to old xin for now cause your knowledge of old xin is messing with you. > > Respect the past, embrace the future... that&#x27;s something everyone whose main is on the rework list has to understand... You&#x27;ve gotten off lighter than most of us have so you&#x27;ve got hope. Agree to that mate. when i try to say the same thing he just insults us telling we dont know anything about the champ. Are the new players always like this? just cause they main one champ doesnt mean there are some other players who doesnt main him bt actually good @ him. he's asking about facts. i was going to give him some. i think ur facts are just enough. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
laughing coffin you are spamming this chat and saying lies about everything as i have replied to you with facts and you still have no answer so you didn't reply to me back with facts and trying to spam me with others on there comments. Please get yourself out of this discussion.
: Yes I totally agree with you the old zhao was much more op and a much better champion and if you made a comparison between old xin zhao versus the new one the old will surely win !!
I wish they do something about it mate.
: Unfortunately that's life. They rework WW aswell, it was my main most people liked the rework, but it clearly isn't the same champion. Worse is I bought all his skins because that was my most played champion and now I hate the new one, I don't even play him anymore.
I have the same thing going on now with the skins :) .. But really to me its more than the skins mate, its a two years effort in one champion.
: Well i didn't feel like reading the whole thing, now that you've changed it a bit i might read the rest after my game :v
Will be waiting for your reply and thank you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Redemptionzzz,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=cQL4XbtU,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-09-27T23:45:24.876+0000) > > Slight modification to make him more fun I don&#x27;t know about that but as for making him more op then i will simply tell you that you DO NOT know shit, and please don&#x27;t be upset it&#x27;s just the truth that you don&#x27;t know anything about xin so i will just copy and paste something so you might understand a thing or two: if you play with old xin jg at the very beginning of the game you will start by killing the blue Sentinel, two mark wolves, greater mark wolve and gromp by just maxing your w and WITHOUT using the smite you will be FULL HP after you are finished, now after this rework you will need to start by maxing your e cause your w or q will just get you executed however the funny thing is that when you kill all the previous monsters i said by using your smite and by also using two potions and using e+q or e+w u will end up with only 20% of your own hp, CAN you see the BIG Difference now. > The old Xin killed the jungle without even using smite once and ended up with FULL hp while the other one (new xin) used smite once and two potions and not just that he also finished with 20% of his hp not full hp. IS this enough for you. IS he still more op to you. > > Old xin was not just double times stronger than the new one but actually triple times and i gave you an example for it, you want more i can give you more i can actually give you an infinite numbers of examples so look into what i said and go try it for yourself. > > One last thing, I need you to understand that this is not about enjoying playing with a champion or not this is about a rework in which they said it was supposed to be a buffing rework not a nerfing one, some of us wasted two years to master this champ some of us wasted more within every single little details on him but for you, you don&#x27;t give a crap because he is not your main so please next time before saying an opinion built on no facts give us one built on facts like the one example i just gave you. One friendly advise. **Board is not a place for people to insult others**. keep that in mind and write ur discussions plz.. and look on my profile and masteries plz. just because u main the champ doesn't mean there is other players who are good @ the champ more than u. And one thing, its not the first time that reworks happens. As for examples, when the Warwick rework happens, when the Galio reworks happens, when the newly Eve rework happens there are massive no. of so called mastery 7 players on those champs. so did they write this kind of aggressive discussions to the board. NO..! u know what? they get used to them. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
When i told you that you didn't know anything about the champ it's not an insult and its not even an opinion, i am talking in here with facts, math and calculations as for you what are you talking with?? You said more op so how funny can that be when a player who clearly doesn't know anything about the champion and maybe only like the new graphics or something so he just says more op which is totally wrong, this way you are destroying the game for others, when you give an opinion about something its fine but by saying something as a fact in which it isn't here comes the mistake, this way you are destroying the game for others, all i am asking is to be fair and talk about the things you know, and i know that this isn't the first time for champs to be re-worked but to be fair i can never talk about them say they are right or wrong cause i didn't main them and even though i have them level 7 still doesn't mean i mained them there is much more to it so in this case i can only give opinions not like giving a fact that obviously he is more op!? Please keep the friendly advice to yourself cause I didn't insult you or anyone in here.
: > I don't know WTF are you guys talking about, xin has the perfect combo he always Key word there being "the"... he has one combo, that makes him binary, difficult to balance, and extremely single minded. None of these things are acceptable these days thus the rework... he needs options. And guess what, that combo is still in the game... So it's not like anything got ruined. > if you play with old xin jg at the very beginning of the game you will start by killing the blue Sentinel, two mark wolves, greater mark wolve and gromp by just maxing your w and WITHOUT using the smite you will be FULL HP after you are finished, now after this rework you will need to start by maxing your e cause your w or q will get you just executed however the funny thing is that when you kill all the previous monsters i said and by using your smite and by also using two potions and using e+q or e+w u will end up with only 20% of your own hp, CAN you see the BIG Difference now. Nope... because what you don't seem to understand is that new xin has all of the potential that old xin had plus extra.. you just have to learn how to do it. Remember skill expression, ain't gonna be as simple as right clicking anymore, but once you get the jungle clear down you will clear quickly and efficiently... might not get out with as much health but the extra AoE in your kit means your getting out faster which is a good trade off. So you just need more practice... practice clearing techniques or routes which allow you to do what you like. > Old xin was not just double times stronger than the new one but actually triple times and i gave you an example for it, you want more i can give you more i can actually give you an infinite numbers of examples so look into what i said and go try it for yourself and you will understand that he lost a lot not absolutely nothing like you said. You've literally already explained why this is wrong for me. > some of us wasted two years to master this champ some of us wasted more within every single little details on him 2 years... you played xin for two whole years, practicing and getting better with him... You've played new xin for a day, if that... of course your not gonna be doing as well with him, you havent spent nearly as much time mastering him. And remember your trying to play him exactly like old xin which isn't gonna work... you need to learn how to play xin again. Exact same thing happened with fiora, she was reworked but people played her exactly like old fiora... people then said she was dead... next patch she was way too strong. Actually similar things happen for literally every single rework... mains say they are dead when it's the mains that are in the wrong not the champion. > One last thing, I need you to understand that this is not about enjoying playing with a champion or not this is about a rework in which they said it was supposed to be a buffing rework not a nerfing one, Remember, exact same stuff in his kit plus extra... you just need to learn how to utilize it > some of us wasted two years to master this champ some of us wasted more within every single little details on him but for you, you don't give a crap because he is not your main so please next time before saying an opinion built on no facts give us one built on facts like the one example i just gave you. Do you not think I know that... no offence but you've gotten off lightly compared to others in the community. I used to main old AD sion, played and perfected that about as long as you have with xin... he was then reworked, and unlike xin where he is still the same champion but with a new angle you've gotta work with sion lost everything baring a shield and health gain... And every single thing that made old AD sion what he was is completely dead. So don't say I don't understand, I know full well what it's like to lose a main in this way... more so than you will have to know. This is why I make sure to comment on threads like this, cause I know exactly what your going through... this all happened to me 3 years ago and nowadays you wouldn't even realise it... You've gotta make a choice, stay dedicated to xin and relearn him or get out of dodge... but complaining on the boards isn't gonna help with this decision, but you've gotta give xin a chance, treat him as something separate to old xin for now cause your knowledge of old xin is messing with you. Respect the past, embrace the future... that's something everyone whose main is on the rework list has to understand... You've gotten off lighter than most of us have so you've got hope.
Oh I will go down with this but lets just make a deal in here if at the end i proved to you that i am right you admit it don't just try to twist your words around it to make it just looks like you are right and i will do the same too so here we go... > Key word there being "the"... he has one combo, that makes him binary You are right he was binary and I already said that in my previous reply. > And guess what, that combo is still in the game... So it's not like anything got ruined. This means that you think his combo was e+q and obviously you think this way cause you are not a main xin same as the ones who re-worked him and didn't change this combo cause they thought that this was his combo in which it wasn't. Xin's combo was (q+w two seconds and then e) and by removing anything from the equation then it's not a combo anymore, let me explain it to you in an easier way, in an early game lets say xin vs yas, lee, jax, yi or trynd all of them are op when in early game in a 1v1 fight they wont run from it so here is how it will go down xin will approach at any one of them with q+w (the old's xin q had a very op dmg upon 3 hits 60-40-30 and the w had 50% increased attack speed + extra magic damage upon every single hit + his own passive the armor pen.) so the enemy wouldn't expect that much of a damage so when they figure that they have to make a run for it here comes xin's e with a slow so even if the enemy flashed he's still on slow u will flash after and kill him and he wouldn't be able to make a run of it) now after they switched the attack speed from w to e the combo is trashed, there is no more combo in it, just a waste of time and a useless champ. Of course this equation will be changed once u reach level 6 and according to which champion you are playing against but i wont talk about all of that it will take ages and also cause i am just proving to you that the combo is totally changed and ruined. > Nope... because what you don't seem to understand is that new xin has all of the potential that old xin had plus extra This is totally wrong and i proved it to you with my little example in the jungle above and i will even prove it more. > Remember skill expression, ain't gonna be as simple as right clicking anymore, but once you get the jungle clear down you will clear quickly and efficiently... might not get out with as much health but the extra AoE in your kit means your getting out faster which is a good trade off. Before you wrote this paragraph did you make any calculations or any kind of study about it because really you are 100% wrong actually 200% wrong, everything you said in this paragraph was wrong wrong wrong and here is why with CALCULATIONS (now we are talking) In early game with old xin while on level 1 he will start by maxing his w and then his q and then his e and if he stopped at maxing and continued farming the jungle by using his smite he will finish the whole jungle in 3:35 minutes without scutlers with full hp, now within the new xin he will finish the whole jungle in 4:42 minutes with 60-65% left from his hp what a tragedy but anyway, so you said quickly and efficiently you also mentioned getting out faster in which you were very wrong about it after we done the calculations you can double check that by yourself to see if i am right or wrong, at the beginning of the game you start with 500 golds its very obvious when you're jungle what items you should buy to be more efficient but I will leave you to try with any start up items you want till you make it faster than the old xin in which you won't tho. So now that I've proved you wrong on the more efficient and faster thing lets get to the rest. > and unlike xin where he is still the same champion but with a new angle No bro he is not the same champion anymore, not even close, this is a shadow of a good champion and it breaks my heart cause I am a main xin not just a main xin I had even become xin. > Respect the past, embrace the future... that's something everyone whose main is on the rework list has to understand... You've gotten off lighter than most of us have so you've got hope. Oh i respect the past but I wont embrace this future, not cause xin was destroyed and stuff like that, it's for the false propaganda that riot made. They said this was a buffing rework in which it wasn't, it was a deep nerf indeed and when they announce that i will be gone in peace...
: No offence bt im quite fond of the champ and i'm not frustrated on his mini rework. its just a slight modification to his kit which makes him more fun and OP to be honest. specially his ult which has the new ability Invulnerability and his w which has a slow makes his even greater. dont get soo much aggressive just by looking @ them. try to play and adapt to it and i'm pretty much sure u will be more fond of his new kit than the old one. have a nice day... {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Slight modification to make him more fun I don't know about that but as for making him more op then i will simply tell you that you DO NOT know shit, and please don't be upset it's just the truth that you don't know anything about xin so i will just copy and paste something so you might understand a thing or two: if you play with old xin jg at the very beginning of the game you will start by killing the blue Sentinel, two mark wolves, greater mark wolve and gromp by just maxing your w and WITHOUT using the smite you will be FULL HP after you are finished, now after this rework you will need to start by maxing your e cause your w or q will just get you executed however the funny thing is that when you kill all the previous monsters i said by using your smite and by also using two potions and using e+q or e+w u will end up with only 20% of your own hp, CAN you see the BIG Difference now. The old Xin killed the jungle without even using smite once and ended up with FULL hp while the other one (new xin) used smite once and two potions and not just that he also finished with 20% of his hp not full hp. IS this enough for you. IS he still more op to you. Old xin was not just double times stronger than the new one but actually triple times and i gave you an example for it, you want more i can give you more i can actually give you an infinite numbers of examples so look into what i said and go try it for yourself. One last thing, I need you to understand that this is not about enjoying playing with a champion or not this is about a rework in which they said it was supposed to be a buffing rework not a nerfing one, some of us wasted two years to master this champ some of us wasted more within every single little details on him but for you, you don't give a crap because he is not your main so please next time before saying an opinion built on no facts give us one built on facts like the one example i just gave you.
SODXI (EUNE)
: This is the downside of the reworks, people who put huge amount of time mastering the champ have to start from scratch. maybe it's just you're first impressions, give more thought about his abilities I'm sure you'll be able to adapt like you did with old xin.
Thank you for understanding what I wrote cause half of the comments were killing me. However, my point isn't about adapting to the new xin or an entirely different champ or not it's about two things: 1. They announced that this was supposed to be a buffing rework in which obviously it wasn't, if they just said that this was a nerf to the champion it would have been fine by me and I will just go in peace. 2. Truly it hurts when you waste a two years effort in one champion trying to achieve the best out of it for suddenly to be gone, where is the right in this act, its not like a 6 months old champ or even more, w're talking about years in here in which they didn't touch him, so once again where is the right in this act, is this justice??
: Xin lacked too much in his kit. He didn't have a niche, he didn't have anything in terms of combos besides one, he didn't have skill expression, he was binary... he did need a rework and you should be thankful it was this minor, riot easily could have given him an entirely new kit. And he lost absolutely nothing, legit everything that was in his kit is still there, he lost the bonus resistances and the armour shred, both invisible power that needed to go... besides that it's all still there so there really isn't much to complain about, everything from before would still work, you've just got new things to learn.
I don't know WTF are you guys talking about, xin has the perfect combo he always had the best advantage on a 1vs1 challenge and that's why he was mainly a jungle champion but yes like you said he didn't have a skill expression. You also said he lost absolutely nothing, I don't know wtf are you talking about again so I will just copy and paste something so you might understand a thing or two: if you play with old xin jg at the very beginning of the game you will start by killing the blue Sentinel, two mark wolves, greater mark wolve and gromp by just maxing your w and WITHOUT using the smite you will be FULL HP after you are finished, now after this rework you will need to start by maxing your e cause your w or q will get you just executed however the funny thing is that when you kill all the previous monsters i said and by using your smite and by also using two potions and using e+q or e+w u will end up with only 20% of your own hp, CAN you see the BIG Difference now. Old xin was not just double times stronger than the new one but actually triple times and i gave you an example for it, you want more i can give you more i can actually give you an infinite numbers of examples so look into what i said and go try it for yourself and you will understand that he lost a lot not absolutely nothing like you said. One last thing, I need you to understand that this is not about enjoying playing with a champion or not this is about a rework in which they said it was supposed to be a buffing rework not a nerfing one, some of us wasted two years to master this champ some of us wasted more within every single little details on him but for you, you don't give a crap because he is not your main so please next time before saying an opinion built on no facts give us one built on facts like the one example i just gave you.
Robwill (EUW)
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Some of my friends were main Evelynn, they all were upset about her rework too and I know mate its a tragedy, It really is and I don't know why are they doing it but the biggest tragedy of all times are the players who don't know shit about her or xin and saying oh wow after the rework they look awesome cause they didn't main these champions yet and by maining i mean by playing thousands of games upon them. I have played over 5000 games with xin, 3k of them were in ranked and now I am left empty and like you said I wonder why there games start to die too cause someone like you and me are about to quit but maybe one time try maybe they will return xin or at least they announce that this was a nerf not a buffing rework and then I can go in peace..
: Learn to play better ! I'm trying the new Xin right now and it's very good, i'm happy with this rework-buff. I've been waiting from some times riot to do something with him, because he was little outdated and his ultimate was awful. So now i can really enjoy playing him. If i was xin main i would be even more happy about it, but my love is {{champion:203}}
Learn to play better?? This is so funny and let me tell you why, cause if you have read half of what i said you wouldn't have said this, anyway let me copy and paste something from it so you understand that old xin was not just double times stronger than the new one but actually triple times and here is why: if you play with old xin jg at the very beginning of the game you will start by killing the blue Sentinel, two mark wolves, greater mark wolve and gromp by just maxing your w and without using the smite you will be FULL HP after you are finished, now after this rework you will need to start by maxing your e cause your w or q will get you just executed however the funny thing is that when you kill all the previous monsters i said and by using your smite and by also using two potions and using e+q or e+w u will end up with only 20% of your own hp, CAN you see the BIG Difference now.. As for you (not a main xin player like you said) are happy with the re-work cause you like the graphics into it maybe I am not sure, as for the awful old xin's ultimate you said I have an answer to that,, bring the old xin vs the new one with EXACTLY the same items like a bot match use QWER and lets see who dies first, a main xin knows that old xin wont just win but he will actually kill this crap new one with losing only 50% of his hp. I need you to understand that this is not about enjoying playing with a champion or not this is about a rework which they said it was supposed to be a buffing rework not a nerfing one, some of us wasted two years to master this champ some of us wasted more within every single little details on him but for you, you don't give a crap because he is not your main so please next time before saying an opinion built on no facts give us one built on facts like the two examples i just gave you. Try to be fair.
ravendeys (EUNE)
: I think they should bring the old Xin back
Maybe in the next update they will remove him or change his name at least it will be a respectable way to make him go.
: > Paragraphs. Please use them. There's an edit button if you feel like editing your brick of text to make it look decent, otherwise people just won't take you seriously; if they even read it
And that is all what you get from speech?? I am talking about something much more bigger now and maybe if you read the whole thing you will understand why..
ejpon (EUNE)
: Paragraphs. Please use them. Xin was unhealthy to face (such like way too much champs in this game)
Nah they didn't say it was unhealthy to face, they said its a buffing rework, if they just said its a nerf it would have been fine by me, but making it looks like a buff is an insult to the champion.
tibbtei (EUW)
: New Xin Zhao abilities shown on client
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