jollonborre (EUNE)
: The absolute worst teammate I've ever had - NO KIDDING
Had this one game years ago. The game was going just fine, and we were stomping the enemies and clearly winning. Then we lost some fight because someone messed up and our midlaner Ahri started hardcore flaming. Someone told her to shut up and stop flaming. After that she announces that she will go afk and disconnects from the game. However, it doesn't end there. After some 10 minutes of us struggling she suddenly comes back and starts running it down saying in chat: "I came back to make sure you lose." Absolutely disgusting. How low do you have to be to start flaming over a won game, then get offended when someone points that out, then leave your team 4 vs 5 and on top of that come back and int to make sure that your team has even less chances winning that 4 vs 5? Total human garbage.
CJXander (EUNE)
: Did this ever happened to you?
My guess - another flamer trying to start the game with positivity, but whenever their teammate makes the smallest mistakes they instantly snap and return to their old ways.
: I have 4 permabanned accounts. Did I change?
So what's the point of this topic exactly? Permaban is not meant to change/reform you, but to show you the door. Before permaban players are given lighter punishments which are meant to reform you - chat restrictions and 14-day ban before the permaban, However, when you get to your final punishment AKA permaban the reforming is over and Riot is basically telling you that you are not welcome in their game anymore because you failed to change your behavior. Of course Riot can't stop players starting over or buying leveled accounts if they are stubborn enough, but not everyone will do that and a part of banned players will just leave the game for good - which is exactly the aim of the permaban. So what's your suggestion? For Riot to stop banning people alltogether only because you are stubborn enough to create/buy new accounts after getting permaban after permaban? I doubt it will happen.
: First offense 14 day ban no slurs, no suggestions of suicide, no bigotry
Is it possible that you used word r e t a r d e d? I'm not quite sure if it's in Riot's zero tolerance list though, but just a guess. Edit: Nevermind, I just saw one of your comments where you confirm it. If I were you I would try to contact support and clarify things.
ProGFB (EUW)
: The report system sould be fixed.
The old system, AKA Tribunal, was just as harsh as this one, but thousand times slower. So why would you want to change the current system for a less effective one? I read Behavior Boards quite often and I rarely see unfair punishments that you mention. People claim that they have been punished unfairly because they want to use their own definition of toxicity. For example, such, where everything apart death threats and parent insults should not be considered toxic and punished because they just spoke 'the truth'. However, Riot and community in general defines toxicity differently and you are judged by that and not by your own understanding of right and wrong. It is known that the system is not that effective against inters and griefers, but as someone not so long ago said on these boards it would be terrible if the system would start to punish innocent players. The system has to be absolutely sure that someone is inting/griefing and not just getting crushed in lane by a Challenger smurf. And that's why AI can often miss inting/griefing cases that could be easily spotted by a human eye.
BibiFuuck (EUW)
: Thanks for URF
Yes. Sadly when URF is gone I will be gone to playing other games, because me and my brother returned only for URF and for anniversary quests, and didn't play League for 3 months before that. And Riot will probably view this as an URF burnout which will give them even more reasons to never bring it back.
Nhirè (EUW)
: Got my first 10 games chat restrist for saying go next
Every single line of your chatlog is negative. What did you expect?
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=000300020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T17:46:25.386+0000) > > TLDR, only noticed the last part about quitting, in case you actually think I am playing this game like an addict like you, you're wrong. > I play this game and play it for the sole purpose to report and get as many people banned as I can. so this game dies a bit quicker. Oh yeah, another round of ungrounded personal attacks when out of arguments.
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WaErKyoA,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T20:26:03.540+0000) > > A lot of punished players use the same argument: that they didn't say anything punishable, no cancer wishes and no death wishes, yet they still get punished. Because it doesn't matter what you or I think and what is our individual definition of toxicity, because we don't make the rules. I don't care what you think, I can only know that I am not doing anything out of lines :) So enjoy while I make sure to report everyone.
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WaErKyoA,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T17:45:08.635+0000) > > I don't care what you think, I can only know that I am not doing anything out of lines :) So enjoy while I make sure to report everyone. And how do you define what is out of line and what isn't? For example, someone might be so delusional that they think in their mind: 'It's completely fine to steal from a supermarket, because the owners are greedy, rich aholes, and me stealing from them won't do them any harm.' Yet, if they'll get caught they will be judged by the law and it means absolutely nothing what they think or what their personal values are. Same with you - it doesn't matter that you think that it's completely fine to harass other players with your passive agressive questions. Act like that long enough, and you'll get punished. Frankly, I couldn't care less. Just don't act so surprised.
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: I won't get surprised since I said nothing out of line :). I don't care how passive agressive something looks to a snowflake like you, we are using facts here. Fact is: I didn't say anything banable. I just asked something, so my knowledge could grow :). You on the other hand, are bad at the game and we all know it.
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WaErKyoA,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T19:55:45.761+0000) > > I won't get surprised since I said nothing out of line :). > I don't care how passive agressive something looks to a snowflake like you, we are using facts here. > Fact is: I didn't say anything banable. I just asked something, so my knowledge could grow :). > You on the other hand, are bad at the game and we all know it. A lot of punished players use the same argument: that they didn't say anything punishable, no cancer wishes and no death wishes, yet they still get punished. Because it doesn't matter what you or I think and what is our individual definition of toxicity, because we don't make the rules.
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: oke donkey, i'll explain it to you: For everything you do in this game, you get punished, however feeding is often just thrown under the "it's just a bad game" bus. You take singed support? reported and actually banned. You don't build sighstone? Reported and actually banned. Lowkey inting and saying NOTHING won't get you banned however, because they're too dumb to create a system which tracks movement like such to determine whether you are feeding or not. Should I remind you about meteos drunk streaming INT feeding and not getting banned? Compared to singed playing support with a higher percentage winrate then you'll ever have? I know a couple of inters myself, none of them got banned for it. They mastered the art of inting, making people rage, reporting them and getting them banned and go on with their int sessions. Perfect example would be the thread of this OP.
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=0003000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T20:01:39.510+0000) > > oke donkey, i'll explain it to you: > > For everything you do in this game, you get punished, however feeding is often just thrown under the "it's just a bad game" bus. > You take singed support? reported and actually banned. > You don't build sighstone? Reported and actually banned. > Lowkey inting and saying NOTHING won't get you banned however, because they're too dumb to create a system which tracks movement like such to determine whether you are feeding or not. Should I remind you about meteos drunk streaming INT feeding and not getting banned? Compared to singed playing support with a higher percentage winrate then you'll ever have? > I know a couple of inters myself, none of them got banned for it. They mastered the art of inting, making people rage, reporting them and getting them banned and go on with their int sessions. Perfect example would be the thread of this OP. You make a few exceptions and make generalizations out of them. Because one player was banned for playing Singed support doesn't mean that anyone who plays it will get banned. And again, if someone was not punished by the system doesn't mean that no one is getting punished. For example, Nightblue3 hardcore flamed Nubrac, but wasn't spotted by the AI, and only got his 2 week vacation after the community made fuss about it, but does that mean that no flamer get's banned? Of course not - I get feedback messages all the time and the Behavior section of the boards are drowning with the post of 'unfair' punishments. Also as someone who has played League of Legends for 7 years, I've seen less than 10 inters/trolls in my games, maybe even less than 5. I have my guesses, but I won't voice them. Also, if inting is done very subtle as you describe there's not much that can be done. If you 'stricten' the AI parameters a lot of innocent players will get banned, and you can't really expect manual review system with such a huge playerbase. Finally, if you so much hate this game why just not quit? I never understood people who keep complaining about some game, but still stay. If you think that the game is unfair, or crap or that developers are full of sheit why not have a little self-respect and switch to more enjoyable games?
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T00:08:53.650+0000) > > Nowhere in the post did you state that it's actually you who fed those games. Screenshot also doesn't contain the name of the player, and even if it did I assume it's your other account since account LordVeRa57 doesn't containt games shown in the screenshot. Sorry, but I'm not a psychic and can't read your mind. > > Not what I wrote. I wrote a sarcastic remark that by your logic if Riot can't spot every troll, that means that they don't spot any trolls. Let me explain: yes, Riot can't spot every troll, but that doesn't mean that they don't ban trolls at all. Also everyone knows that the punishments are carried out by AI, and that AI can't surely tell if someone is having a bad game or inting unless the player runs it down straight which is not the case in your post. > > Again, not a mind reader to tell that these are screenshots from your own games when you don't even say it, and consequently it's impossible to tell that your next reply was sarcasm. Yep, these are all my handleveled accounts too :D https://i.postimg.cc/c4smhBhv/lulu.jpg I'm not talking about AI, I know it's most of the time useless. But that's where the tickets should come in. Someone always reads them, they don't close by themselves right. When you feed 1000000 games and you get at least 2 people every game that get so mad they start threatening not only to send ticket but also track your IP... It is then obvious Riot received reports of this thousands of times and not even once they did anything. And you are telling me they don't spot trolls. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
> [{quoted}](name=LordVeRa57,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T11:52:08.216+0000) > > Yep, these are all my handleveled accounts too :D > https://i.postimg.cc/c4smhBhv/lulu.jpg > > I'm not talking about AI, I know it's most of the time useless. But that's where the tickets should come in. Someone always reads them, they don't close by themselves right. When you feed 1000000 games and you get at least 2 people every game that get so mad they start threatening not only to send ticket but also track your IP... It is then obvious Riot received reports of this thousands of times and not even once they did anything. And you are telling me they don't spot trolls. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} I didn't say that they don't spot trolls. I said that people like you think that if they can't spot **all **trolls, that means that they don't spot **any **trolls. You can't know if those people actually bothered to submit manual tickets against you. Threats don't mean anything per se. That's why I proposed you to submit a manual ticket yourself and check what they'll say. I know for a fact that **some **trolls/inters do get banned because there have been threads on boards when people complained about being banned for inting/trolling, and there's even been cases when a player has been banned falsely for inting (Hashinshin). That means that at least **some **inters/trolls are getting punished which makes your whole post invalid.
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: Riot cannot spot every troll? You do know this is something ACTIVELY DONE and league is KNOWN for its shitty NOT competitive snowflake %%%%% ass %%%%% ass community? You get banned for everything in this shit game, the game is KNOWN to have trollers and feeders all over it, nothing is being done against it to prevent them from entering a competitive environment and above all: Someone playing with passion and telling you to noose yourself is being banned, because he merely states what your parents want you to do.
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2019-11-05T19:28:25.227+0000) > > Riot cannot spot every troll? You do know this is something ACTIVELY DONE and league is KNOWN for its shitty NOT competitive snowflake %%%%% ass %%%%% ass community? You get banned for everything in this shit game, the game is KNOWN to have trollers and feeders all over it, nothing is being done against it to prevent them from entering a competitive environment and above all: Someone playing with passion and telling you to noose yourself is being banned, because he merely states what your parents want you to do. What's your point exactly? First you say that people get banned for everything in this game, but then you say that nothing is done against trollers and feeders. So which one is it? I'll make it easier for you - both trolls/feeders and flamers are punished. Flamers do get punished more often, because it's easier to spot negative chat than it is to tell apart bad game from inting/trolling.
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: Well, frankly I won't be doing that. In matter of fact, I realise that what I asked was logical and you making a bronze play isn't me being passive agressive, but rather the truth. If you make a wood play and I question the play, you shouldn't get triggered. I am positive and cannot be banned, even if i'm passive agressive :)
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WaErKyoA,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T18:38:42.679+0000) > > Well, frankly I won't be doing that. In matter of fact, I realise that what I asked was logical and you making a bronze play isn't me being passive agressive, but rather the truth. If you make a wood play and I question the play, you shouldn't get triggered. I am positive and cannot be banned, even if i'm passive agressive :) Well, don't get surprised when you actually get punished for your 'positivity'. I don't have anything else to say to someone who is delusional about their behavior :)
Senna MVP (EUW)
: STOP REPORTS CRY BABYS
Don't worry, I'll get my satisfaction knowing that you wasted money or time getting your 50th account up to speed because the previous 49 were permabanned. Also, if words are meaningless why use them to insult people?
: ***
> 1. I made a post telling everyone that I have fed thousands of games and obviously received hundreds of reports. No accounts banned. Nowhere in the post did you state that it's actually you who fed those games. Screenshot also doesn't contain the name of the player, and even if it did I assume it's your other account since account LordVeRa57 doesn't containt games shown in the screenshot. Sorry, but I'm not a psychic and can't read your mind. > 2. You then tell me Riot doesn't spot trolls and so its normal to not be banned? :D Can you even read what I just wrote? :D Not what I wrote. I wrote a sarcastic remark that by your logic if Riot can't spot every troll, that means that they don't spot any trolls. Let me explain: yes, Riot can't spot every troll, but that doesn't mean that they don't ban trolls at all. Also everyone knows that the punishments are carried out by AI, and that AI can't surely tell if someone is having a bad game or inting unless the player runs it down straight which is not the case in your post. > 3. And when I write a sarcastic reply to you back, you then tell me to write a ticket? :D Again, not a mind reader to tell that these are screenshots from your own games when you don't even say it, and consequently it's impossible to tell that your next reply was sarcasm.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-04T18:15:57.677+0000) > > Riot can't spot every troll = Riot doesn't punish trolls at all. Outstanding logic. Troll thousands of ranked games intentionally = have 0 tickets sent to Riot about you. Outstanding logic.
> [{quoted}](name=LordVeRa57,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=35E8yBGd,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-04T18:40:13.001+0000) > > Troll thousands of ranked games intentionally = have 0 tickets sent to Riot about you. Outstanding logic. Then submit a ticket to support? What's stopping you?
: Riot doesn't ban players for trolling your games. They are lying to you.
Riot can't spot every troll = Riot doesn't punish trolls at all. Outstanding logic.
: People advertising their streams in post game chat
I don't see what's so bad about it. It doesn't do any harm to anyone, and it's only good for the game/developers because streamers create noise and popularity around the game, and that's good for the game.
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: > Use chat for informative purposes and strategy like: So me asking what someone his bronze logic was (maybe to me it would've been bronze, but he did it because it's challenger level) behind something is, in the hopes of learning and being able to climb is passive agressive? I literally ask someone why he's iron and why he's playing with his brain turned off, how am I at fault here? How am I at fault for trying to learn? If you really think 'don't say anything if it's not positive' is the right mindset, then I can tell the problem isn't me, but rather you. Don't make a foolish play and no one will question you.
> [{quoted}](name=Hahrimazd,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WaErKyoA,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-02T20:54:54.013+0000) > > So me asking what someone his bronze logic was (maybe to me it would've been bronze, but he did it because it's challenger level) behind something is, in the hopes of learning and being able to climb is passive agressive? I literally ask someone why he's iron and why he's playing with his brain turned off, how am I at fault here? How am I at fault for trying to learn? If you really think 'don't say anything if it's not positive' is the right mindset, then I can tell the problem isn't me, but rather you. Don't make a foolish play and no one will question you. Well, this reply only shows that you realise very well that you are being passive aggressive with your questions and only ask these questions to point to other players that they are dumb, make foolish plays or play with their brain turned off. So why say that you are trying to be positive then? Just rename your thread to: 'I'm still negative, and getting reported'. > I literally ask someone why he's iron and why he's playing with his brain turned off, how am I at fault here? > Don't make a foolish play and no one will question you. Frankly that's quite disgusting attitude for someone who is trying to be positive. How about you leave other players alone and let their mistakes slip, instead of making drama out of it?
Hahrimazd (EUW)
: Trying to be positive, but getting reported for asking questions
Often such questions are passive aggressive. I can say that they piss me off personally quite a lot. If I screwed up in most of the cases I already know that I've made a mistake, and I don't need someone asking me: 'Why did you go alone? Why did you ward there? Why did you engage? Why did you go to drake?' Why do you ask this? What purpose does your question serve apart from being passive aggressive? Like, there's literaly no purpose in such questions because most likely the person already knows that they made a mistake and now you are just reminding it to them and making it worse. And even if I had some legit strategy in mind when doing something I don't really want to waste time with long explanations because again it doesn't really serve much purpose and this time can be used to actually play the game. Tip: if you don't have something positive to say, then don't say anything. Someone died? Don't say anything. Someone made a mistake? Don't say anything. Use chat for informative purposes and strategy like: 'Let's do Baron, let's play defensive until 6, I could split push while you group mid' etc. Also for some lighthearted talk and jokes if you feel chatty. I've been playing for 7 years, never been punished, every season have max honor level and get honors after every game even if the game wasn't going our way. This attitude works wonders.
NêckêS (EUNE)
: Hahahaha man you're comedy. I don't really know what to say, of course I will get angry and call someone "mentaly disabled" if they int and go 0/10 in 10 minutes, what you think I will lick them and say "Don't worry team, go die over and over again I will carry this one." I can only spit on them. xD
> [{quoted}](name=NêckêS,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=m6PAT5l9,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-31T13:25:02.994+0000) > > what you think I will lick them and say "Don't worry team, go die over and over again I will carry this one." I can only spit on them. xD You know there's a third option actually - stay quiet and not say anything at all. Trust me, it works wonders.
: im sorry but this is no reason for a permanent ban
Like every line in your chat log is negative - arguing, blaming someone, asking to report, asking to surrender.
Luqiez (EUW)
: URF f'ing SUCKS!
Why should it be removed only because you don't like it? You have an option to not play it and instead play modes that you enjoy. How about people who like this mode? But of course it's all about Me, Myself and I.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Remind me, why did people want URF back?
Another case of: "I don't like mode X so developers need to delete it even though it doesn't affect me in the slightest." Don't like it? Don't play it. Like it? Good for you.
: Why do people tryhard so much in urf
Some people like to tryhard and win. No one is obliged to follow your definition and rules of 'fun' and 'not tryharding'.
: Unban request
Riot never reverts bans if they were deserved.
Holydéad (EUW)
: Returned to League of Legends after 1 year of inactivity to find out my account was banned
Try contacting support, maybe they might help. But I wouldn't get my hopes high because Riot has this policy where they 'punish' account itself even if the owner was not the one who broke the rules on that account.
: Ban appeal
Contact support. Usually you get straight 14-day ban only for zero tolerance words like racism and homophobic slurs, but I don't see it here. Are you sure you never had chat restriction prior to this ban?
Rarife (EUW)
: This is theory. How many people is punished by chat and how many by inting and trolling. Chat is simple and it looks good. While trolls and inters laugh to your face.
> [{quoted}](name=Rarife,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0EGWYIkP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T14:42:57.562+0000) > > This is theory. How many people is punished by chat and how many by inting and trolling. > Chat is simple and it looks good. While trolls and inters laugh to your face. What's your point? Of course toxic chat will be punished more frequently because as I explained it's harder for the automated system to spot legit inters and trolls than an obviously negative chat. Since bad score alone is not an indicator of inting/trolling how do you expect a machine to tell if someone is inting/trolling or just having a bad game unless they are straight up running it down? It can only be done by a human reviewing the game, but it would take enormous human resources for this task considering the large playerbase of League.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: no quality control...
> i have played lot's of normal games before i throw myself into ranked , to don't ruin others experience ,basically because i knowed i wasn't prepared for ranked , and that i am not good at playing and knowing everything in the game ,but still i manage to learn and be a good player in time ,following guides , runes build , because back then ,there were some complex rune system not the one is right now ,which is much more easy to decide what's good for you... So what? That's only your standards and attitude. I also like to improve at the games I play, become better, prepare myself by reading guides/builds etc., but at the same time I realise that it's a video game and not a job and that it's completely fine if someone doesn't have such serious attitude towards a **video game**. It's actually fine to play a video game with a casual attitude without the aim to improve. > that shame that you are a terrible player is gonne Why should someone be ashamed that he/she is bad at a **video game**? > and that's not even close to an insult , that's the truth , there are people who ain't good at this game So what? People are allowed to be bad at a **video games**. Why should they be insulted or shamed when they are just spending their leisure time and trying to have fun? Again, this game is not your job and if it actually was and you were a pro LCS player, believe me blaming other players for holding you down would be the last thing you did. > i don't consider myself into that category , because i play mostly alone ,that means i have to carry myself my games when my team feed ,or play horrible with hundreds of mistakes ,which is a reason it exhaust me ,because i constantly seen across multiple seasons mistakes who repeat , or are more likely a result of 0 brain action plays... , and that's the sad part , because not everyone have the battle skill and skill to react to something which kills them , or they not even think about how to counter play enemy heroes ... , or how to position , what to focus , if they should build more much armor or magic resist etc... , they not even care in pick lobby if they have mixt ap/ad team , if they have 1 ap and 4 ad is perfectly normal for them ,as long as they have 1 ap... . Why exactly is that a problem? The other team gets the same bad, unskilled, braindead feeders so if you really are better than the rest of the player pool you are playing with you will eventually carry yourself - it's simple math. Unless you are actually not that skilled or that much better than your pool of players that you think you are. > In my opinnion the ranked mode should be something premium... Well, that's your opinion, but as I said in my first post there's no real problem because ranked sorts itself out. So it shouldn't be premium because no one is holding you from climbing other than yourself. > than just throw yourself and oh yeah , you get silver , bronze rank , and honestly , that's not even mean anything for anyone ,but people still play and waste them time ,rather than performing to learn the game ,which is exactly pointing out why ranked promotes low quality gameplay I still don't get your point. It's a competitive game where one team loses. It means that even if there would be only 'good' players in ranked, someone would still be on a low end of the ladder, because some players would still be better than others. > I honestly would like to see more skill , than someone who miss spells ,and do crap plays , is my own opinnion You might have too high expectations. Watch some high ELO streams and you'll see constant clown fiesta, feed and out of control snowballing even there. I guess it's just the nature of the game. > I see people who are likely to start team fights 3 vs 5 ... , because they don't care that them position is risky and that they can get engaged by enemy team , so they f124 up the game , and then cry about x missing fight , y missing fight... , is terrible sad when i see people have no patience. You can't control what others do, you signed up for a competitive multiplayer game yourself so you just have to deal with it or switch games. And as I said even despite all of it these 'horrible players' still can't stop you from climbing in longterm if you are actually good because the other team has to deal with the exact same crap you deal.
Rarife (EUW)
: But there is a little problem. They end up in iron after they make sure they will ruin like 10 games for their teammates...It is crazy when you see level 30 Iron II being raped in gold/silver...
> [{quoted}](name=Rarife,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8MMbWi4h,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T15:01:55.226+0000) > > But there is a little problem. They end up in iron after they make sure they will ruin like 10 games for their teammates...It is crazy when you see level 30 Iron II being raped in gold/silver... Sure, they can ruin games, but mathematically they still can't hold you down from climbing if your skill is higher, because the opposite team has just as much trolls/inters/feeders/bad players/afkers etc.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: no quality control...
There's no need for quality control in ranked. It sorts itself out by having a lot of divisions/tiers. If someone goes into ranked unprepared and with YOLO attitude - let them. They will simply end up in Iron. While those who are more dedicated and ready to improve their skill will climb higher, People who complain about ladder/teammates and want to prevent others from playing ranked are usually those who are salty and delusional about their true skill level. They think they belong higher and only teammates are dragging them down while actually they are exactly where they should be.
wat is dis (EUNE)
: Banning toxic behaviour over inting the game
Who said toxicity is worse than inting or vice versa? Both are bad and punishable - there's no need to compare them. It's just that the automatic punishment system spots toxicity easier than inting. What does flaming an inter accomplishes? It's not like they will magically stop inting because you flame them. If anything you will only feed the troll and make them feel better about themselves because they were able to piss you and get a response out of you. And you flaming makes the game even more unenjoyable for the rest of the players.
JustTits (EUNE)
: Remove the True Damage from Pyke
Looking at Pyke I wish Riot would finally stop making champions with free out of jail cards. He always plays overly agressive, but never gets punished for it because he has an easy escape in case he messes up. Also kudos to the big brain genius who had the brilliant idea to remove Oracle Elixir. Also: 'I support' - ends up with 15 kills, typical game against Pyke. Yes, I'm salty and I often ban him.
: "Don't die before 7 mins"
Well, that's typical League of Legends for you. Says 'Just don't feed' and then goes 0/5 in the first 10 minutes Says 'Why did you pick that trash champion, you will only feed' and then gets destroyed in lane Says 'I'll carry this' and ends up with a score 2/15 Says 'Mid or feed', gets mid, but still feeds
Yuna348 (EUW)
: Why am i banned?
Did you have a 14-day ban before? When you get a 14-day ban it says in the message that it's you final warning and that the next offence will lead to a permanent ban. What it means that you will be banned at the first sight of negativity even if it's something small.
Torchfvce (EUNE)
: Hi
It's unfortunate that you lost your account, but that's the way permabans work. When you get your 14-day ban it says on the card that it's your final warning and that next offence will lead to permaban. That means that you are on a very thin ice and will be banned at the first sign of negativity. Punishment levels do drop after you play some big portion of games and use chat in a positive/neutral way, but only Riot knows how much time does it take.
: Perma Ban
Permabans are based on your previous punishment history and not on severity. If you had a 14-day ban before, it said that it is your final warning and that the next offence will lead to permanent ban. It means that you are on a very thin ice and even one small tiny case of flaming will lead to a permanent ban. I agree that your chat is not super toxic. If you had a clean record you would probably not have been punished at all. But since you already had previous punishments and warnings it lead to permaban.
: Just ban my champion and I get flammed
So instead of playing the game and acting like a grown-up you decided to make drama and throw tantrums? Last season a guy banned my main Nami. I had like 300 games with her and over 50% winrate. His reasoning was: 'I always lose with a Nami on my team.' Guess what I did? I sucked it up, picked another support, did my best, didn't harass, flame or threaten to report the guy who banned my champion and in the end we won that game. What a surprise, right? Seriously, the EGO is the biggest issue of most of the players.
: Do the trolls really exist?
I'm actually curious about this too. I've played from Season 3 and have only seen a handful of trolls and intentional feeders. However, I constantly see toxic players accusing others of trolling or inting when they are actually not. Toxic player's logic: - You no listen to my calls = troll - You no play the way I want you to play = troll - You has bad score = intentional feeder
Mr 0fficer (EUNE)
: Toxic players are NOT the problem
You are Silver 4, and calling others unskilled. Oh, the irony. Either way, you signed up for a team game. Not everyone will be good, one team will lose, one laner will be better than the other one - it's inevitable. If you can't deal with it, then go play single player games or competitive non-team based games like PUBG or Fortnite where your pro skills can shine. You don't have to pat anyone on the head for being unskilled or feeding, but you don't need to flame either. There's a third option actually - being neutral or staying quiet. Also I have very bad news for you. Players are matched by their ELO. So if you are stuck at some division and can't carry yourself higher, it means that you are exactly were you belong - playing with players who have similar skill level to yours. As soon as you realise this and start focusing on improving instead of flaming and blaming others, you will carry yourself higher.
: Riot policy is an absolute SJW joke
Well, you can defend yourself by muting and reporting the player after the game. You see, flaming back won't defend you in any way and won't accomplish anything for that matter. It will just start flame wars, bring negativity and ruin the game mood for everyone even further. It's not like arguing with someone or flaming them back will magically make them shut up - they most likely flame even more so in reality it doesn't really accomplish anything. It's just how the internet works.
: Chat restriction (Mute) removal appeal.
You can be toxic without using swear words. Your logs show that you were blaming your teammates, threatning to report, threatning people that they will get banned, arguing all the time, creating negative atmosphere in general. All of this is punishable if done in large amounts frequently. If you don't change your behavior you'll keep getting punished.
iaapvper (EUW)
: 10 GAME CHAT RESTRICTION FOR THIS???
Wow, this punishment is so unfair. That Rito. You should contact support and ask them to change your chat restriction to 14-day ban, because that would be a more correct punishment.
: Penalty Unfairness
> Can you, Riot staff members, tell me what is the problem here? Unfortunately these boards are rarely visited by Riot staff members so you're out of luck there :/ > Why is there no penalty for those who purposedly troll in games? There are instant 14-day ban as soon as troll/intentional feeder is spotted. The problem is that the punishments are carried out by an automated system and it's not easy for a computer to detect when someone is trolling or feeding on purpose or just playing poorly. And because there are millions of players playing the game, it's unrealistic for Riot to hire that many employees to spectate games and punish trolling/intentional feeding. > Why hasn't any message popped up in my screen, saying that the user I reported for trolling has been banned? Never in my 3 years of experience have I seen this coming to life. You don't get a message for each punished player. You get these messages very rarely. It's strange that you haven't gotten any in 3 years. I personally get like one message every few days if I play actively and report people. Then again I don't really get trolls and inters in my games and only report flamers and the system doesn't have hard time detecting flaming.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:26:50.610+0000) > > They might be unacceptably bad or have an unacceptably bad game for their ELO but it's still doesn't necessarily mean that they are inting. It's not about a softer punishment but about the fact that people shouldn't be punished for playing a video game and underperforming. Ok, so if you're saying dying with 3 Actions per minute (APM) isn't intentional feeding for a diamond game, or even below, then dude, you are clearly defending this type of behaviour. Any player should have an average of 90-100 APM in this game, just to let you know .
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:44:15.340+0000) > > Ok, so if you're saying dying with 3 Actions per minute (APM) isn't intentional feeding for a diamond game, or even below, then dude, you are clearly defending this type of behaviour. > > Any player should have an average of 90-100 APM in this game, just to let you know . Oh, didn't get the APM part. Thought it was something to do with CS. But in that case APM on their own would be an indication of some afk/trolling/inting, and the score is only confirmation of that.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T14:24:42.461+0000) > > People can have ironlike scores even in higher ELO if that's what you meant. Doesn't make them inters - just bad/unskilled/dumb/tilted. Happens even in the highest ELO if you watch some streamers. > > When I used to watch Dyrus or Bjergsen I even thought to myself: 'These players almost always win their lane, but if they'll go 0/1 or 0/2 they will end up 0/10 because of the tilt of because they'll keep playing agressively trying to get back in the game.' It is unacceptable for a diamond player to have 0/8/0 with 2 APM if that's what you mean. I would instantly call that intentional feeding and issue a permanent ban straight away, no need for softer punishment.
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T16:24:39.197+0000) > > It is unacceptable for a diamond player to have 0/8/0 with 2 APM if that's what you mean. I would instantly call that intentional feeding and issue a permanent ban straight away, no need for softer punishment. They might be unacceptably bad or have an unacceptably bad game for their ELO but it's still doesn't necessarily mean that they are inting. It's not about a softer punishment but about the fact that people shouldn't be punished for playing a video game and underperforming.
Bombard1r (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T14:04:16.900+0000) > > You could compare permaban to life imprisonment without a chance for parole. These punishments are not meant to rehabilitate or reform someone because these prisoners will never be released back into society and are pretty much locked up for life to protect the society from them. > > So what would be an acceptable and humanlike solution then? Riot tried different things like more punishment steps and chat restrictions that could escalate to thousands of games, but nothing was effective. Sure, no system is ideal, but currently it's the best we have. I honestly belive that banning a player for a long period of time is more effective. player that have lost his account for good has nothing to lose anymore and will more likely to be toxic\negative with a new account. this is why with every season the players become more and more toxic and negative. if you get a ban for a 2 month it is more likely that when you regain your account you will vaule it much more. even if you are still toxic, it is much less then with an account you are not afraid of losing. and please don't tell me about riot experiments over the years.
> [{quoted}](name=Bombard1r,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=BJe0JlQi,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T14:26:52.820+0000) > > I honestly belive that banning a player for a long period of time is more effective. player that have lost his account for good has nothing to lose anymore and will more likely to be toxic\negative with a new account. this is why with every season the players become more and more toxic and negative. > if you get a ban for a 2 month it is more likely that when you regain your account you will vaule it much more. even if you are still toxic, it is much less then with an account you are not afraid of losing. > and please don't tell me about riot experiments over the years. They tried more steps with longer bans before permabans, but it still didn't work. They've even made an experiment where they gave permabanned players a second chance but it failed misserably because these players were stil toxic. I guess they've just the decided that the current number of punishment steps is enough and if the player doesn't reform after that it's unlikely that he/she will reform even if given more second chances so there's no point allowing them to ruin even more games for other players, even if they will do it in 2 months, in 6 months or in a year. I mean, if you can't control your behavior for the sake of your account after a 14- day where it's says that it's your final warning, what makes you think that you'll be able to control yourself after 2 months ban, 6 months ban or even a 1 year ban? If I'd receive a 14-day ban I would probably turn off chat completely and rip out my 'Enter' key because it's not worth losing my 6 years old account over this.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shozis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:29:41.426+0000) > > Intentional feeders are already instantly banned for 14 days as soon as they are spotted. The only problem is that the punishments are carried out by an automatic system, and it's hard for the system to detect when a player is really feeding on purpose, and that's why it often feels like inters and trolls are running free unpunished. Creating an algorythm to make detection more obvious is easier than it sounds, all they have to do is take stats into consideration with division/rank thresholds. I could probably engineer it by myself, but they don't want such a system. It will end up with people being banned at a daily basis.
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7UcApNhp,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:59:42.261+0000) > > Creating an algorythm to make detection more obvious is easier than it sounds, all they have to do is take stats into consideration with division/rank thresholds. I could probably engineer it by myself, but they don't want such a system. It will end up with people being banned at a daily basis. People can have ironlike scores even in higher ELO if that's what you meant. Doesn't make them inters - just bad/unskilled/dumb/tilted. Happens even in the highest ELO if you watch some streamers. When I used to watch Dyrus or Bjergsen I even thought to myself: 'These players almost always win their lane, but if they'll go 0/1 or 0/2 they will end up 0/10 because of the tilt of because they'll keep playing agressively trying to get back in the game.'
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