: Call me Technicality Man. I am technically a normal man. I do realize that my comparison between the strategy and lethality was a bit far fetched but the same principal applies. If you get banned for a strategy that is unhealthy and unfun then you should be banned for everything that is unhealthy and unfun. Oh and, I know that Quinn is a tank Shredder(Teetant Matont Turtle guys) but I should not die THAT quickly to be honest. I expect to survive a bit longer than 8'ish seconds. So It wouldn't matter who's team got the Xerath.. Well, talk about the next to unbeatable strategy. It was something I threw out there as something with what I thought had a bit of potential but I guess I was wrong. But in all seriousness. Riot should have seen this coming since they released Ascension in the first place. I mean there is a reason we have the PBE, and in my opinion this strategy would have been a perfect example to report to the PBE forums so it can be "fixed". It feels like we are far too lenient with riot and their mistakes. 1, 2, 3 or 10 mistakes I can forgive but more than that and it becomes clear that something isn't done to rectify the potential issues that can arise. I do try to keep an open mind and a neutral discussion as you and me, we are innocent and there is no reason for me for example to lash out at you because Riot didn't overlook their creations with 100% accuracy. By the way, sorry for the change of topic but when was the last time we had O4A? With all the time that has passed you'd think Riot would have at least begun to port the mode over to the new client.
> [{quoted}](name=Hailey Hayato,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MgeKljdN,comment-id=000900030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-10T11:20:54.037+0000) > > Call me Technicality Man. I am technically a normal man. > > I do realize that my comparison between the strategy and lethality was a bit far fetched but the same principal applies. If you get banned for a strategy that is unhealthy and unfun then you should be banned for everything that is unhealthy and unfun. Oh and, I know that Quinn is a tank Shredder(Teetant Matont Turtle guys) but I should not die THAT quickly to be honest. I expect to survive a bit longer than 8'ish seconds. > > So It wouldn't matter who's team got the Xerath.. Well, talk about the next to unbeatable strategy. > It was something I threw out there as something with what I thought had a bit of potential but I guess I was wrong. > > But in all seriousness. Riot should have seen this coming since they released Ascension in the first place. I mean there is a reason we have the PBE, and in my opinion this strategy would have been a perfect example to report to the PBE forums so it can be "fixed". > > It feels like we are far too lenient with riot and their mistakes. 1, 2, 3 or 10 mistakes I can forgive but more than that and it becomes clear that something isn't done to rectify the potential issues that can arise. I do try to keep an open mind and a neutral discussion as you and me, we are innocent and there is no reason for me for example to lash out at you because Riot didn't overlook their creations with 100% accuracy. > > By the way, sorry for the change of topic but when was the last time we had O4A? With all the time that has passed you'd think Riot would have at least begun to port the mode over to the new client. Nothing more to add. Totally agree with you on all aspects!
: Yeah, I didn't read a single sentence of this unformatted textwall, sorry. The bans were lifted as of this morning btw. so you can stop defending Rito...they admitted they made a mistake.
> [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MgeKljdN,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2017-08-10T08:31:08.099+0000) > > Yeah, I didn't read a single sentence of this unformatted textwall, sorry. > > The bans were lifted as of this morning btw. so you can stop defending Rito...they admitted they made a mistake. I am kinda new to this kind of *forum chatting*, I've tried to organize my sentences better now and will do that as well in the future. Thank you for making me aware of this. By the way, though, if you're too busy to read my post, regardless of the reason, why bother responding? Especially when you don't know what you are responding to :)
Smerk (EUW)
: Any icons that could be bought in store can be obtained through hextech, in normal chests or in good orbs during this event. But if you want some limited icons, then you're out of luck
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=yEPYUWx8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-10T09:03:47.284+0000) > > Any icons that could be bought in store can be obtained through hextech, in normal chests or in good orbs during this event. But if you want some limited icons, then you're out of luck Thank you for your time and answer!! :)
: Technically speaking. You CAN counter the strategy. By you know, not taking out Xerath or taking the ascended buff. Had they known that it would be different. A "Solution to COUNTER the situation" as you put it. And Lethality was just an example. Oh and Riot reversed the bans because they got banned by a AUTOMATED system which was PUT IN PLACE against FEEDERS. They literally did NOT get banned for using the strategy. Riot agreed the strategy was unhealthy for the game and are planning to remove the ability to pull it off soon but Riot also agreed that you CANNOT get banned for using it. And in all honesty, had I been on the losing side. I would not have cared one bit since its ascension. Who gives a fu%k about ascension when you have modes like URF, that assassin only game mode or my favorite: O4A. And then you have the only mode which actually matters: Summoner's rift 5v5 Draft(Both normal and ranked). Anyone with at least a shred of decency and dignity would not waste a single second getting mad over Ascension. On a final note. If armor counters lethality so good then perhaps you could explain to me why I died in less than 8 seconds as full tank Shen vs a full AD team in a 1v1 fight toplane against their lethality Quinn. Armor is as good of a counter to lethality as Magic resist is a counter to true damage. I can admit you can lower the damage done to you with more armor but not by much. I felt just as feeble early game when Quinn got Duskblade as i did lategame with thornmail, dead man's plate and the other armor items including Ninja Tabi.
> [{quoted}](name=Hailey Hayato,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MgeKljdN,comment-id=0009000300000000,timestamp=2017-08-10T09:04:24.043+0000) > > Technically speaking. You CAN counter the strategy. By you know, not taking out Xerath or taking the ascended buff. Had they known that it would be different. A "Solution to COUNTER the situation" as you put it. > > And Lethality was just an example. Oh and Riot reversed the bans because they got banned by a AUTOMATED system which was PUT IN PLACE against FEEDERS. They literally did NOT get banned for using the strategy. Riot agreed the strategy was unhealthy for the game and are planning to remove the ability to pull it off soon but Riot also agreed that you CANNOT get banned for using it. > > And in all honesty, had I been on the losing side. I would not have cared one bit since its ascension. Who gives a fu%k about ascension when you have modes like URF, that assassin only game mode or my favorite: O4A. > > And then you have the only mode which actually matters: Summoner's rift 5v5 Draft(Both normal and ranked). Anyone with at least a shred of decency and dignity would not waste a single second getting mad over Ascension. > > On a final note. If armor counters lethality so good then perhaps you could explain to me why I died in less than 8 seconds as full tank Shen vs a full AD team in a 1v1 fight toplane against their lethality Quinn. > > Armor is as good of a counter to lethality as Magic resist is a counter to true damage. I can admit you can lower the damage done to you with more armor but not by much. I felt just as feeble early game when Quinn got Duskblade as i did lategame with thornmail, dead man's plate and the other armor items including Ninja Tabi. *Technically speaking* people could know how to use wards properly and make decent teamcomps in any ello (not to mention decision making and champion mechanics). Also we could be living in a perfect world without food/water shortages in Somalia and India and where WW3 will never happen. But these scenarios are ideal and imaginary :D So I'm not pretty sure about the realism behind that idea to counter this ascension strategy, I understand it's posible... But come on, let's be real :D (btw, the team with the strategy could just take xerath for themselves anyway). You died vs that Quinn cause she's known as an AD tank shredder, your job is not to 1v1 her, but to tank for your teammates in order to let them kill her (cause obviously your jg/mid/adc would've killed her faster than she could kill you in a 1v1) . Would it had been an AP mage/assasin maybe the outcome would've been different. I truly appreciate your mindset regarding these gamemodes, I admire that, and I like the fact that you are one of those few people with that *shred of decency* (can't wait for O4A myself). :)
: By your logic. Anyone who ruins the match experience for the enemy team should be punished. "Oh hey we noticed out new stat lethality isn't good enough so we buff it". -Proceed to get 1HK from every assassin ever. match is now ruined for me because the enemy team runs full lethality. Because he is having fun at my expense he should therefore be punished. That's your logic right there in another scenario. So going by your "logical thinking", over half the playerbase would be permabanned already for... You guessed it. Making every match a living hell for at least one person. They found a strat that worked and was within the limitations of the game. Its the enemy team's fault for surrendering. Oh and by the way. They were not banned for using this particular strategy.
> [{quoted}](name=Hailey Hayato,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MgeKljdN,comment-id=00090003,timestamp=2017-08-10T08:20:32.888+0000) > > By your logic. Anyone who ruins the match experience for the enemy team should be punished. "Oh hey we noticed out new stat lethality isn't good enough so we buff it". > > -Proceed to get 1HK from every assassin ever. > match is now ruined for me because the enemy team runs full lethality. Because he is having fun at my expense he should therefore be punished. > > That's your logic right there in another scenario. So going by your "logical thinking", over half the playerbase would be permabanned already for... You guessed it. Making every match a living hell for at least one person. > > They found a strat that worked and was within the limitations of the game. Its the enemy team's fault for surrendering. Oh and by the way. They were not banned for using this particular strategy. These situations are not the same thing and I'll tell you why. The lethality patch being broken was annoying, I agree, BUT - do you know what counteres lethality? ARMOR, and not feeding, and playing the game God damn smart in order to prevent that a&&hole rengar/talon etc. from GETTING to that point of just one shooting you. You are shifting the topic of this conversation to an unfair zone because you are taking it to the point where actual game knowledge, map awareness and general gameplay skill MATTER. So it's up to you to stop picking veigar into talon or rengar and then bringing this situation up to me as a comparison, because YOU HAVE solutions to COUNTER this situation if you think of it logically. But let's see how you counter this particular strategy at hand, in ascension - you guessed it: with head pills and painkillers :) The reason this game is ruined to an unfair level (and not cause you counterpicked yourself against a zed, or you didn't pay attention to kha walking over a ward and ganking you) is because it's uncounterable and time consuming to an absurd level. And yes, riot reverted the bans because of many, many people like you who started crying about the *immorality of those bans, because of a gameplay style YOU permitted*, but also, as I said, were you in the *victim team* -> you would've raged out for bans :) Riot decided to unban AND find a solution to change ascension to a point where this situation will not occur anymore. Peace out!
Rioter Comments
: Banning People for using game mechanis YOU made? Are you serious?
You twisted your words sooo damn hard I actually thought you might have a point, but then I read your post and saw the video... This is not a game mechanic THEY made by any means, riot simply did not expect some children to have so much time to waste and nothing else to think about except finding an ingenious way of winning a game by making the enemy team's experience a living hell. If they had thought about this possibility, they would've prevented it 100%. You may find it hard to believe, but there are people in this game who are 25 yo or higher than that, who played this game since beta, had a lot of fun in high school, now have jobs, kids, responsibilities etc. and just play the game for fun, for the love and passion of it, and maybe just enjoy getting that diamond/master/challenger border over and over again. They think: *ok, I play this game mode then I'm off buying bread and milk* BUT WAIT, they can't cause some smart@asses now block them from ending a game and waste everyone's time for their own fun (nobody else's fun, let's be clear about that - How can anybody be sportsmanlike in the enemy team when you are *playing* like this -> this only promotes toxicity and trolling among LoL community!!) The worst part is that you can't even leave the game in this situation because this community is so broken that you will probably get reported and find your 10 yo account with all your childhood heroes skins and memories etc. banned for no freaking good or moral reason... And you deciding to defend that, and twist your words to make them manipulate to your own advantage (as if this is an intentional gameplay mechanic, put there to be used by everyone) is just sad and makes me think that you are somewhere in the range of 15-18 (MAX), you also have nothing to do with your time, and the other guys in your age range will probably support your totally immature idea (but if you put them in the *victim* team side they will rage as hell most certainly), and totally reasonable players will slowly start leaving this game because the community is getting worse and worse...
Sceizer (EUW)
: why didnt you just dodge in champselect you just made everybody wasting their time in a loading screen
I explained that as well :) Read again! The only person who made anybody waste anything was the troll pick!! And I got to be the fool who took the hit *for the team*... Don t make this look like it s MY FAULT! EDIT: I think everyone can tell that my post was a bit *ragy* and I m not a fan of that, and I m actually sorry... but sill... It s very annoying to be unable to climb and actually go down after so much effort and dedication because of these kind of people... who sometime seem to get on my team exactly when I need them the least... and so losing streaks just pave the way to my elo hell route :( And it s also very annoying seeing very arrogant and with attitude problems individuals being a lot higher in the ranking than me... while I get all losing lanes, lux troll, evelyn with smite on support role troll, client bugging out and resulting in lost LP etc... and all in quick succession. I also take responsibility for what I said, but I still stand by the fact that Riot could be doing more for the actual *victims* in these situations instead of passively *helping* us lose more LP alongside the trolls and afk-ers and attitude problem individuals.
Truewarlock (EUNE)
: Got randomly kicked of out the game lobby without my permission
LoL is a free to play game. expect the worst always. I lost 18 lp cause i stayed afk and my team remade. I did this because the jg troll picked lux with ghost and nobody else wanted to take jungle, BUT NOBODY ELSE DODGED EITHER. I was hoping I would lose 3 lp or something, but not 18... plus, that s why I didn t dodge myself in the first place, cause i thought i would just lose 3 lp if I afk... we are talking about platinum ello, not %%%%king bronze... Never expect anything good from a free to play game where every low-end moron of society can play with/against you, and where the client is bugged from A to Z. Riot made the remake system after so many years of ppl having trouble cause of afkers (basically angry moms who unplug their spoiled kids pcs, see sasha - the russian kid on yt) and they think they solved something... pathetic. Btw, not over a week ago I had almost the same thing happen to me, the ban button just couldn t be clickable and everyone just got stuck in champ select after that. And ofc I lost LP cause i failed to ban.

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