: Again, I was just using zoe as an example. You can extend this to any other champion The idea of there being too much damage in the game has been mentioned by people like Scarra, who is one of the few streamers you can take seriously, so yeah, there might be something to it. Personally I don't see the problem, but if that is an issue for you then sure. HOWEVER, this has been the status quo for a while now and hasn't changed with the most recent patches. The last few patches since midseason have been relatively small and done little to shift the overall power balance, so I can't see where this "need to relearn the game" thing is supposed to come from.
For real, you didnt notice any difference? Like adcs being out of the game for like 2 months? Riot nerfs the entire class, then they buff them back in every patch? Why? And what's now? Every adc sucks except for the ones with duskblade build, because you can 1 shot with it. And yes, the next patch is going to nerf half the championpool again. Some of them will be great things, but some of them will make the weak champions even weaker. This isn't how they are supposed to balance the game.
: Actually, I've been playing since S2 and my main is plat 2, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the discussion. And no, I don't just go in. I don't do the math down to the last hp, but I have a feel for roughly how much damage an enemy champion will deal in a normal trade. So do streamers. They're not actually surprised that a zoe Q just oneshot them, they are well aware that it's possible for that to happen. Their surprise stems mostly from the fact that zoe (just as an example) is allowed to deal as much damage as she does by riot.
They never say anything about zoe. It's the rest of the champions they are surprised about. When a champion that isn't supposed to be an assassin deals more damage than an assassin. And this is the biggest problem. When everyone is an assassin, then assassin are out of the game too. Why would you play katarina, akali, zed, etc, when you can just play anything with better kit and lower cooldowns and cc while being able to one shot anyway?
: Streamers are always overexaggerating things for views. It's just more entertaining that way. With most of them, you should never take anything they say at face value.
Tell me, can you calculate the damage, or you just go in, and see what happens? Of course the second one. You were allways gold after all too. But right now you have no chance improving, because the game keeps being random with all the changes.
: i dont get " you have to learn the game " >?????????????????????
You have no time to get used to the actual damage, and there comes another change. Just check some streames, they are all like: "wow, that really killed me?!" They get blown up too, nothing is calculated at this point.
: " Literally every single week you have to learn the game " ?????
Okay, every two weeks then, does it matter? There were and are a lot of huge changes during the season, which shouldn't be there. You just missed my point entirely.
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Hydnoras (EUW)
: >" Laner plus jungler. As a solo laner, you HAVE to know those 2v2 match ups. " Yeah, because botlane doesnt get ganked. See, then the possiblities are getting bigger, if you calculate 3v3. You aren't very good if you can't tell the difference between working with a jungler and ganks. Mid and top, especially mid, work with junglers while bot only gets ganked. >"Top lane is one of the most deadliest lanes because it snowballs out of control so easily and you basically can't go back to lane anymore at that point." In goldelo, yes, people cant adapt to losing the lane, and they are killing themselves over and over again. That's actually more apparent in high elo than low elo because the one with the lead knows how to push that lead. Snowballing has always been more present in high elo. >You are trying to tell me against a snowballing draven/leona lane you arent getting raped and dived all over again? The difference is that it's much harder to get an enemy bot lane into that state that they would start diving you 2v2. In top lane that can happen after just one kill while at bot it can't. >"diversity is still lower than solo lanes" I explained why it's more diverse. You need to learn a lot more combinations to be good at bot.' And your explanation is wrong so it's invalid. >Btw why do you think riot is rushing now a "buff back adcs, and lets try to make the games longer" patch? Becuase even they know they ruined the game. A month after the changes isn't rushing. Also they only slightly buff crit adcs to make them at least viable. they aren't making them the best option with those changes. Also the game length affects every role not just bot lane. you are just and adc main crying.
There is no point arguing with you. I answered your false arguments, and i could see you were never even close to high elo. At least i was in diamond before university when i had enough time to play, gold elo doesnt really matter. And yes, do the math, botlane is a lot more diverse due to the combinations.
: The bot lane was exclusively dominated by marksmen... crit marksmen to be precise. It has the lowest diversity of any role in the game being restricted to only one class. Re,ember that when referring to bot lane that usually only means one of the two champions, while supports are typically seen as the bot lane they have duties to the whole team roaming and warding thus aren’t the true bot laners... the bot lane is the inpromtue name for the adc role, as the adc role becomes poorly named as soon as any diversity gets added to it so it needed a new name. It’s not about the combinations, it’s about the verity of classes in the farming role specifically
You cant just "make it diverse" while it's the hardest lane to adapt. If top and mid is going to be 2v2 lanes too, then you can talk.
Hydnoras (EUW)
: >Yes, they use marksmen, but that lane was allways the most diverse, because it was 2v2 You are wrong. Bot lane is the least diverse. You use 2v2 as an argument but both solo lanes are also 2v2 lanes. Laner plus jungler. As a solo laner, you HAVE to know those 2v2 match ups. Mid laners constantly work with their junglers. Every good player knows solo lanes are 2v2 lanes. There are 42 traditional mid laners. I didn't even count in any adcs except corki since he is a mid laner and not bot laner. You could play an adc in the mid lane and make it work, most know ones are lucian and jhin. There are 36 traditional junglers and this number can also be increased by taking champions from other roles because they can also be viable there. However, there are only 17 adcs and 30 supports. So even if you don't count in all the champions that you could add to those roles, the number of different possible combinations of junglers and solo laners is way greater than bot lane combinations. Even if you look at the roles now from op.gg, it shows that there are 49 mid laners, 37 junglers, 43 adcs and 40 supports. However, the number of adcs is that big because of current meta which has bruisers and mages and supports in the adc role as well (and it still has less champions than mid lane lol). >Solo lanes were allways the easier ones. No, bot lane roles are the easiest roles in the game. Support being the easiest and adc the second easiest. Hardest ones are mid jungle and then top. >And now, you got the entire champion pool playing on botlane, making the number of possible duos insane. No, not every champion is viable in the bot lane. Not to mention the support role still didn't change at all. There are only few viable bruisers and mages that can go bot lane and crit adcs are not worth picking currently so your diversity is still lower than solo lanes. >Ye, try to adapt and learn, while on top, you just gotta learn when and how to side step 1 skill when you play against that champion. Seems fair. Top lane is one of the most deadliest lanes because it snowballs out of control so easily and you basically can't go back to lane anymore at that point. Also, "side stepping" one skill is not even nearly enough. You know there have always been melee vs ranged match-ups in the top lane and what if you are behind and the other, stronger melee is standing between you and his minions? You are %%%%ed. You want to know what that feels like? Play bot lane as jhin while your support goes to roam and leaves you 1v2 against a draven + leona lane. That's how it feels to play top lane from behind. So you have to get extremely good at it to not fall behind and wave management is the most important skill for top laners. Bot laners don't even know what wave management is...
" Laner plus jungler. As a solo laner, you HAVE to know those 2v2 match ups. " Yeah, because botlane doesnt get ganked. See, then the possiblities are getting bigger, if you calculate 3v3. "Top lane is one of the most deadliest lanes because it snowballs out of control so easily and you basically can't go back to lane anymore at that point." In goldelo, yes, people cant adapt to losing the lane, and they are killing themselves over and over again. You are trying to tell me against a snowballing draven/leona lane you arent getting raped and dived all over again? "diversity is still lower than solo lanes" I explained why it's more diverse. You need to learn a lot more combinations to be good at bot. Btw why do you think riot is rushing now a "buff back adcs, and lets try to make the games longer" patch? Becuase even they know they ruined the game.
Infernape (EUW)
: Because every other lane/role is diverse? Top lane switches between tanks, mages, fighters, assassins and marksmen at times. Mid switches between mages, assassins and fighters (sometimes marksmen). Support switches between catchers, enchanters, tanks, and mages. And jungle switches between pretty much every subclass in League. Bot lane has remained marksman exclusive since season 1.
Yes, they use marksmen, but that lane was allways the most diverse, because it was 2v2, and you didnt only need to learn how to beat certain meta champions, but how to play with different supports against different adc/support combinations. Solo lanes were allways the easier ones. And now, you got the entire champion pool playing on botlane, making the number of possible duos insane. Ye, try to adapt and learn, while on top, you just gotta learn when and how to side step 1 skill when you play against that champion. Seems fair.
Rioter Comments
: He's an assasin. Assasins get countered by hard-CC and kill squishies, while being high mobility and having a pretty straight forward kit. Look at fizz/kata/talon/diana/akali. I see no difference tbh.
All of those have clear counterplay windows: fizz: q, e skillshots, you can avoid them, and he doesnt melt the entire enemy team. kata: predictable, doesnt get untargetable when jumping in. talon: doesnt melt the entire enemy team. akali: doesnt melt the entire enemy team.
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efol00 (EUNE)
: Well if i'm not wrong i did mention that Vayne should be taken down with your teammates. But also i think you are not exactly right. The thing is, is a champion healthy if you cannot kill her without any help? No. But the problem is that you sometimes cannot kill her even in 1 vs 2 or 3. Even if you use stuns well, play well, she still somehow manages to over damage you. And guess what? champions, who are said to be most OP at the moment, can do the same. Take Kha and Rengar for example. They have the same thing as Vayne. Kill them with team mates, and even then they may out damage you. Now if Kha and Rengar are though as OP but Vayne isn't, even though they have the same problems, then what is the logic behind that? (BTW My rank is what it is and the shit i can do about it. I don't like to play rank, so it's pretty low to criticize someone with that only.)
Those junglers have big presence, vayne doesnt. And just because a champion is good at 1 or 2v1, doesnt mean it's op, it just means you have to burst her down with 3 or 4 players, or initiate only when she is locked down for sure. For example, vayne gets fuc.ked in teamfights with lots of aoes, but a lot of other adcs dont.
Trekkorm (EUW)
: Except that i do, in fact, beat most of them, and i usually translate winning my lane into winning the game. (Just {{champion:122}} things ) Sorry for offending your integrity, Mr. Gem. Some Gold players CAN be good at the game.
No they cant be, they suck, even low dia palyers suck, but gold players suck more, thats just fact.
efol00 (EUNE)
: So Vayne is a healthy champion?
Vayne was shit, thats why she got buffed, also she is still a shit tier champion, and i just guessed right when in head i put your rank to silver-goldish elo. You aren't supposed to 1v1 vayne! I main sivir with low-mid dia level of knowledge, and even if i was 5-0 and vayne 0-5, she has a chance to kill me, but you know what the difference is? THAT I KNOW THAT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO 1v1 HER AT ALL. Why do people think this game is about "meet at dragon and 1v1 me noob"? This is getting so ridiciulous.
Trekkorm (EUW)
: The problem is many of them arent better. A lot of these players rely on teamwork and more often than not premades to actually succeed. I've only lost my lane once against a diamond player without any jungle/mid lane interference, and that was during tank Yasuo's peak strength.
WOW, congratulations, you just realized that many diamond players are better at macro play! Now you can start to realise that, this game isn't about winning your lane hard, thus you arent better than them.
Biuvoc (EUW)
: Diamond master players are really bad.
People still seriously are stuck on the level of "win lane win game"? The game isn't about this. You can just play passive for 30 minutes and make game changing decisions later (also this is the reason why the k/d/a considering ranked system is stupid). I'm low dia eune/euw, but if i smurf, i can get rekt easily, but i have allways more or less but the biggest impact on the game.
: Individual skill
That's what i'm curious about. You, higher elo player's individual skills. What do you think you are good at that makes you climb the ladder.
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TTekkers (EUW)
: xD One time I got the enemy amumu to sit on a ward for the entire duration of the ward (60 sec I think) just by stepping forwards slightly to bait him into staying for the kill every time he started to back away.
Doomley (EUW)
: As a diamond player, i agree on that. There is one mistake tho. >A diamond+ player is completely safe on lane in lower elos without wards if he is good enough to predict the jungler. This is not true because you can't predict a low elo jungler most of the time because they don't know what they should actually be doing. It's easier to predict them in high elo because you know what they should be doing.
Yeah, a memory just flashed in, they can be quite random.
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kaketsuu (EUNE)
: diamond5 to master with negative winrate
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/39609647#ranked-stats Did you mean the 211-166 56% master player? Maybe the site you used was bugged. But first of all, stop blaming other players for losing a game. It happens.
M4DN35S (EUNE)
: So uh... Hi, Riot. When is Shyvana getting her well-deserved buff?
Wait, wait, when was shyvana supposed to be a top tier early game ganker jungler? I totally tought she shines at counterjungling, since there arent many champions that can win an 1v1 against her early on. Maybe it's just a l2p issue, learn what a champion is good for.
Y P (EUW)
: I have been Diamond 5 but due to inactivity i have declined to Plat 4. I can say that there is almost no difference between Plat 2 - Diamond 5 if you think Diamond 5 is much different i would look again. Diamond 5 and 4 is definitely not high elo
Diamond 5 isnt high, and this is a smurf account. Didnt you check my win ratio? lul
: The problem is that LoL uses Elo rating for random teamplay, when they should be using PSR like mechwarrior online uses. With the psr system it is actually possible to loose rating when you win & gain rating when you loose depending your performance. It should actually work with the KDA & CS & gold as variables, dmg taken can also be considered to be taken into account for support roles. For ranked teams the usual ELO should remain though.
It's a bad idea, i dont know about mechwarrior, but in lol, even if you feed, you can do things that make your team win the game easily. For example, pushing bot so hard, the enemy is going for you, while your team gets the baron for free, or any other strategical play that doesnt require you to kill or perfectly cs, but gives your team a huge advantage. Baiting, trapping, etc. But who am i to say you how to play the game, in silver 4 lol is like a teamdeathmatch.
Y P (EUW)
: Changing main role to ADC
ROFL "HIGHER LEVEL OF PLAY" AND "PLAT 3" IN THE SAME SENTENCE ROFL
Arayn17 (EUNE)
: Last patch - Vayne
Vayne was shit tier, she needed a buff. The only reason you see "impossible to kill" vaynes is because there are a lot of smurfs playing.
Overloard99 (EUNE)
: I'm in platinum from unranked and I'm not impressed.
Honestly, platinum 5 isn't better than gold or silver, they are just playing a bit passiver. I hit platinum+ on 4 or 5 different accounts this far, and there are huge differences between low plat and high plat. Platinum is the elo where you have to think at some point to climb more.
: if you said this pre-dynamic Q, I'd be impressed. but I believe you made it by yourself so grats {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Ill be honest, i did exploit dynamic q until platinum. Duod with a silver player, thus it was a lot easier to win the games. I went from gold5 straight to gold3, then gold1 jumping divisions. At about plat 3 i got tilted a bit, then because i did my driving license classes, i had 1 month break. After that i didnt exploit dynamic queue, and honestly it was easier alone. Exploiting dynamic queue works only if you are really really much better than your current elo.
DELDE115 (EUW)
: >I know it's not anything special Nothing special? Thats what fcktards say. You should be proud that you made it to Diamond! #CONGRATS ShortName!!! :D
: > I know it's not anything special, but i got really hyped. But it **is** something special! You are among the best 2% of all league players! Congratulations on reaching diamond!
Dlnzu (EUNE)
: How many retards did you have to carry all by yourself? XD
All of them. I used the "lets just do my best everytime, and we will see what happens" mentality. When i didnt carry, i tried to not fuc.k up to give my team a chance to carry me.
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CryGods (EUW)
: Unfunniest joke you ever saw?
What, since when is master yi easy?
: So basically if you have this game but you don't have good internet, you should not play the game? Yes i've got bad internet, wich is also the best internet my country can provide. Combined with the servers lag when there is a high amount of people playing, I will lag and so will the rest of the people on the server. So everybody will flame each other, because it is "ok" to flame somebody for not having servers in their country, not having better internet (even though getting better internet is impossible, until better internet come out) and/or not having a good pc? I guess everybody in the world can afford these things. Who needs food anyways and btw, you're not the only person who has never been restricted.
If you cant have good internet connection, don't play action oriented online games, you just ruin the game for everyone. TBH, if i'd be Riot, and if i see a country that cant have normal internet connection for this game, i'd just block those ips.
: Yes, but what if you are not playing in ranked and that person tells you to go die of cancer just for playing bad. What if you lost connection every 2 sec because you have bad internet and it's not something you can control? then what. Are you saying that it's ok to flame people just becasue they can not play on the same level as you.
Actually if you got bad internet connection, and you know it, you totally deserve to get flamed on for intentionally fuc.ckin up everyone's game. And this comes from a calm person, who didnt even get restricted once in 6 years of lol.
Shenori (EUW)
: What am I doing wrong?
Hey, i can give you REAL tips about how to carry the game, that pretty much works every elo, if you keep asking an easy questions for yourself, you'll easily improve. "What is the best i could do?" Keep asking yourself this question in situations where you feel like you dont know what to do. For example, when you are playing adc, and you got zoned out, or you feel like if you go out you'll get ganked, rush and take golems, because it's the best you could do, or if they freeze and you cant get out, just recall, and buy something, even if you can just buy a boot for 300g, it's still a lot better decision than dancing around your turret doing nothing. And dont feel like you are bad. I had 3 plat accounts on euw, one of them was plat 1, and now i'm playing on eune. After i leveled my smurf to 30, i went into ranked with a bronze friend, thus i got matched with bronzes, and i was feeding so hard i actually lost us the game, i wasnt used to the bloodbath i met down there :D. Now my eune acc is plat3. The best way to carry every elo is keeping up the pressure all the time. I carried the games with sivir, she is a great pusher, and low elo doesnt react good to nonstop pressure sivir can make. I pushed the lane to their turret, dived them all the time when we were 2v1 (this is also a mistake, if you stay on turret 2v1 alone, against a support that can dive well, then you fucked up, this isnt the best you could do, just recall, and let them get the turret), eventually got their turret, and kept pushing the lane all the time, didnt let them leave the lane, or if they did, they lost another turret. BUT i never risked anything, i never engaged into 2v2 or 1v1 if we had equal chances, just pushed them until they lost the lane, and this is important, i didnt risk. Learn what your main champion is good for. I see you play a lot of shyvana, with shyvana i'd live in the enemy's jungle, that's what shyvana does. She counterjungles and farms a lot, and if you meet their jungler, you just fuck them up, early game shyvana is a beast in 1v1s, but be careful, if you see their mid or any other lane come to help their jungler, allways have a plan to get out. Play passively. Bronze style bloodbath doesnt work, thats why it's bronze. Keep pressuring them, and dont risk your life at all. Try to maximize everything. CS, etc, but even the "/ignore all" command helps a lot. You dont need the chat, communicate with pings. If someone writes something, you'll check it, and it might cost you 1-1 minion, or if you argue with a flamer, you'll just not concetrate at all. I'll give you an advice for jungling. If you see the enemy ganking top, then get ready to countergank bot/mid, or if you see the jungler ganking from botside, then get ready to countergank top/mid. It's the most common jungle route. They farm botside, then gank bot/mid, then go topside, get the farm, then gank top/mid, then go botside, get the farm, gank bot/mid. And how to decide what lane will get ganked from the bot/mid and top/mid situations? The most gankable probably. Check what champion is easier to gank, and what lane is pushed.
: AD carries
All of them are easy to use (maybe draven's minigame is a bit hard at first), but all of them are hard to win with, if you arent better than your elo.

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