C9 Starboy (EUNE)
: The common skins and legacy are actually fair, they cost less, they give less ... But it makes no sense that if you disenchant and epic or a legendary skin you get only 270-364 but need 4-5 times more for the skin to be unlocked. I understand that its actually nice they're giving us "free skins" but its kinda unfair... if they make a system they should at least do it right and balanced it. Its like having a zeal in this patch nerfed without lowering the cost ... Oh, GG Riot
Yup . the common skins but as u said , legendary and epic are so unfair but after patch 8.5 im so cool with ultimate skins but before patch 8.4 i was pissed off , it gives you 650 OE only , and u need to upgrade it for 2950 OE , thats the pretty unfair one but thank god they changed it , but still , you need a huge luck for that XD
: Almost same here, sitting on 4k since i just disenchant all skinshards i dont want.
im sitting on 1k :)
Raptorz (EUNE)
: *Laughing with 6k Orange Essence.*
:( gimme :( , i want to get project ashe , gimme some XD , anyway , gj for saving them :) thats great , have fun of gettin some skins :)
Rioter Comments
: It started in master/challenger about a week ago. 3 days ago you could see it in diamond and 2 days ago it reached plat. Now the lck and lcs start to adapt this strategy as well. I doubt it will be long before it reaches the lower divisions. Overal it will turn soloQ into chaos. It's already messy in higher division so when it reaches gold/silver. O god this will be hell. I have some background on why this is happening. I had my theories long before this patch happend. And now they have come reality. I still raise my eyebrowns why the hell the ballance team ignored this when even an ex plat player can figure this shit out.
oh i understand but i never met this meta before tbh even in ranked
: How can you put Ali in C class lol , Ali is so strong
ali compared to other supports , he is not that good
Andrey0345 (EUNE)
: You just can't put Udyr in C imo. He's such a strong early-game jungler and one of the best duelists, which is extremely important for the current scuttle meta. He's gotta be at least S-. At least he easily beats Yi.
Udyr is early , he is like pantheon , they do good in early , start to be weakk in med and weak in late
Andrey0345 (EUNE)
: Idk how Yi has such winrate, I guess it's all this taric strat stuff, which should get countered easily. But really, his early game is mediocre, he gets destroyed by decent early-game jungler {{champion:77}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:64}} who can countergank and counterjungle well to make him completely useless. And true dmg only works after 4 seconds in combat, it's not something he gets right off the bat (and if he's farming minions and has it stacked you probably should just back away). Slow immune is kinda useless, as there is so much hard CC in this game which makes him a free kill even if he's fed.
remeber that yi is med and late game jungler , which he will make it hard for early game junglers , but still this 4 seconds u are talkin about is so great , with his max attack speed + lethal tempo , thats great against tank , and the hard cc skillshots can be missed by his Q , also if they know when to use their CC then they can counter him too , also yi dont have just slow immune he have escape , and if he is in bad situation he can escape using his R movement speed and if they try to slow him ( like nasus ) they wont and he will just keep his way + if you have blade of ruined king that will make your escape better + everyone can be countered even the best champs in the game ( irelia , zed , graves , xin ) they can be countered and the only counter for yi is the CC and i agree but that completly useless if u use it early against him
: Irelia is more viable on mid at the moment.
yup , but still , she is the best at top , do u know that she handled the S tier for all the lanes since her rework
: You forgot {{champion:39}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:8}} for the botlane. Currently it's {{champion:39}} < {{champion:157}} < {{champion:8}}
tbh i never met a irelia or vlad in botlane
: I agree, well done. Only 2 champions dont suit the position, yasuo should be higher on tier list and draven aswell.
yasuo is bad at patch 8.12 , he got hotfix , i think draven deserves his position
: ahh, banner of command gone FINALLY JESUS
Antenora (EUW)
: _My opinion -_ S+: {{champion:145}} {{champion:81}} * S: {{champion:21}} {{champion:236}} A: {{champion:202}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:110}} B: {{champion:222}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:498}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:96}} C: {{champion:67}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:429}} * Ezreal has more nerfs incoming in 8.12
ezreal is good for S + , S for miss fortune maybe but lucian maybe he deserves A- to A + , jhin is great adc and he deserves the S , draven is great but varus isnt , jinx and twitch and xayah are great af , you cant say that they are b :D , cait is great damage and she can escape if u are good with her , kalista is the worst adc i guess but that doesnt mean she is bad .
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: And he still has higher win rate than Morgana in patch 8.12.
i dont know what champion u are talkin about thats why , but i agree brand have winrate , but he isnt better support :D , winrate means that the champion have specific winrate but not role called . he counters morgana , but morgana is better as supp , ( 3 sec root , stun , shield ) thats enough for one of the best supps , this tier is about stats and kit and how the champion can do in his lane
: This is pretty much the high ELO meta. It's a roamfest... Except the Udyr pick, that's far from "godtier", but I personally have the best performance on that particular champ. (71% win-rate in D4). You wrote Irelia top and Graves Jungle. Yea...they are pretty much the best, I'd add xin and taliyah , maybe panth to the jungle. And shen/camille/singed for top. That's about it.
camille maybe :D , shen is better as supp cuz his ulti is like useless if he went top , singed can be countered easily if u just dont follow him or u have nice mobile , many people say that taliyah is great jungler , but i dont think she is good in mid cuz she can be countered easily , but she isnt the best jungler , xin is one of the best champions in jungle and i agree :D
: Well, since I invested 5 years in playing Udyr, he's my no1 pick for top/jg at the moment, and was the "best champ" for me in the last 4 and a half years. Mid I'd take LB/Taliyah/Tf/Talon/Asol, heavy roamers for crab and bot priority. Botlane is lucian/jhin/draven/kai'sa Sup ... virtually anything that can roam for pressure, and has either CC or shields engage/disengage.
nice one , they are good champions tho :D
: Are the ones you can play and perform well with.
yup ( if you want ) , but i prefer the ones in your opinion are the best
: {{champion:82}} seems to be nowhere? (adc, top, mid) {{champion:85}} (adc) {{champion:223}} (top) {{champion:516}} e? , He is actually around the s tier currently switch yas and zed Lucian is much higher up, actually currently he is considered in high elo the best normal adc I have some more stuff here that my mind differs from you but i won't continue
i agree with your list that kennen needs to be in adc and tahm at top , but u know what tier they will get low tier , but iwill edit it for ya :D this is patch notes 8.12 , ornn will be bad at this patch :D i forgot about morde , i will put him now :D ty :D
: Vlad A+ ?????? Vlad isnt even top lane... Neither GP or Irelia are S+ or S . > C + < {{champion:92}} and {{champion:31}} top ? Are you ok ? S as strongest champions on toplane are {{champion:114}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:122}} A {{champion:86}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:75}} B{{champion:85}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:80}} and Sion isnt D neither C or B .. Sion has one of the highest winrate in game. and can pretty demolish many champs on top about Yasuo and Riven I would say player must be good at them otherwise they can be useless.. As both of them are hard to play and takes time to master but once mastered I seen yasuo toplane ruining entire 5 player just by his Q .. and Cho always been S cause he is cho . he will eat everyone and be fed af.. C{{champion:164}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:68}}
bro , irelia isnt S????? Camille isnt S ?????? , do u know she handled the S tier since her rework released , and actually this is patch notes 8.12 tier list , also this is ur personal not anyone , your put the S most of the top champions bro , i put this as a stats and kit not anymore , like nasus im too good with him but i didnt put him in high tier , there's difference between ur own tier list and the tier list itself also vlad is like swain , he works mid and top :D about yasuo , he become average champion in 8.12 , either if u do good or bad :D
: yeah that's reason why yi without taric struggle in diamond+. Silver and bronze learn faster than challenger. kappa. And elise with talyiah have best winrate in high elo in jungle
nah, graves and xin and yi have the best winrate :D check rankedboost :D
: so taliyah have counters but lb don't ? :D Lb is weak even agianst D tier champs like malzahar. Aurelion don't deal too much dmg, he is one of the last champs that can clear and roam clear and roam and cler and roam. Zed is vulnerable to taric+yi strategy and he loose to many picks. Just try him vs kayle or malphite. Or new faker darius mid meta.
i mean you can escape from taliyah easily everyone has counter '' picks '' , even irelia sol deals damage bro , but in clearing and roaming he is good , but can be countered easily just by standing inside his balls :D , zed have good mobility and insane amount of damage , he can escape from yi easily , and you cant say that most of people like to play taric tho :D so .... and again everyone have counter picks , this tier list is just about stats and kit :D
Rioter Comments
: and jungle you have completly wrong, two best junglers currently are talyiah and elise. Yi is S tier only with mid support letting him farm otherwise he is like C.
elise is bad af , trust me , also taliyah can be jungle but she isnt the best , yi attacks speed + true damage + slow immune + ms with his ulti , he is great , but people need to learn how to gank with him and when , he can get adcs with nearly 3 hits
: switch malzahar and taliah on mid, fizz with aurelion, lux with yasuo, vladimir with tf and put Le Blanc Zed on B and also add Wukong on B and Irelia on S tier.
taliyah can be countered easily :D , aurelion deals damage but he can be countered easily , tf is good if u play him so great , vlad too , but u need some tactics to counte rblad , le blanc and zed are gods if u know how to play them , irelia is goddess of league she even deserves S+++++++++++++ and the recent changes of yasuo made him weak , in patch 8.12
íGengar (EUW)
: Literally just played her against a Nunu Karthus cheese ^^
:D she is fun to play tho , like how her kit works :D
somebady (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=YujaAnoYu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ttd2aOsW,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-12T15:31:58.238+0000) > > 3) Irelia : if you can do her combo 100% correct , you will do alot of damage , her defense is good , she have nice mobility I agree completely > Darius : his defense and damage is good , even if you go tanky items , you can still manage to deal damage Darius's weakness used to be how easy he is to kite around. With the new runes giving him tons of ms I also think he has become really strong, but i'd place him at S- or A+ personally. Mainly because he lacks the burst that's so meta right now. He needs to stack his auto's, and if the enemy isn't letting you do it for free, that might prove difficult in my experiance. BUT he is a GOD SENT against tanks, mainly because they often do let you stack up your passive. > Graves : his damage is great , his ganking is very good at early , he can play the full game ( early , med , late ) He has good jungle clear + insane burst potential, and doesn't rely on crit that much, so yeh, he's strong :D > master yi : the counter of the tanks + fighters , yi is easy to play champion , his true damage is massive , his attack speed + basic damage is great , and we cant forget about his movement speed , he is immune to slows + blade of the ruined king + R , his Q is so effective against skillshots abilities and ultimates , i advice people to gank when they get lvl 6 , but he can gank at lvl 1-5 , but it wont be effective as lvl 6 with ulti haven't really encounterd him yet alot... but i did hear alot of people talking about him being strong. > Zed : his damage is massive , his mobility is good tho , he can escape from any ability with his ulti , he is great midlaner Zed is insanely good right now, he is the one i fear most facing midlane right now. It's a shame I'm really bad at him. > Kai sa : escaping from kai sa is impossible if she have ulti and plasma on you + every 5 attacks she deals a massive damage with just 1 basic attack , her E is great for engaging and escaping , Q deals nice damage if you go with ad , and W deals nice damage if you go with ap even tho you can use it to put plasma then go to your enemy using R "her E is great for engaging and *escaping*" Jup, escaping from burst is something adc's really need right now, i'd say Xajah deserves S- instead of A+ because of that, even if her dmg is not as bursty as other top adc's. > Nami : she is good for crowd controls , heals , buffs for allies , she is just the best supp in the game in my opinion but i couldnt compare her with morgana because nami is supportive support and morgana is ap support Wel, shields are getting serieus nerfs... time for healers once again :D Also, since kill lanes are more and more prominent, i think her disengaging power and poke should not be underestimated. > morgana : good damage , alot of crowd controls , 3s root , shield that protect you from ap + crowd controls , she is great supp Well, if you can hit the root :3 well, there is a problem with her ult is that with the burst present these days, getting it of is nearly impossible without zhonias. > 4) my main goal is to help newer players + if i was wrong , the more experienced players can give me advices :D > > ty for the comment and this questions :D {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} No problem :3 Now, let's see what the Aatrox rework brings :D
yea im so excited for aatrox rework , the root is ez to hit for me , im sniper , in ashe , i miss my ulti just like 2 times or 3 times maximum
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: And according to lolalytics, in Diamond+, he still has the shared highest win rate of all supports.
and who is that champion you are talkin about ? is it brand ? , also lolalytics isnt my only references , also they are taking the 8.11 not the 8.12 , this is tier list for 8.12 patch notes :D , go to rankedboost , he is my main reference :D
: Why is heimer not on the list? :C
shit , i forgot him , he is C tier :D , i will edit the tier list now :
íGengar (EUW)
: Saw my Bae {{champion:254}} on D+ and stopped :(
i like vi too :D you are good with her maybe , but normal players do shit with her , like my 1st time with her i went 0/15 so.....
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Why Morgana support is S+ while her best counter isn't?
her CC is awesome + champion that you are sayin can be countered by other champion , its about stats and kit to supp :D
somebady (EUW)
: There are some important factors when you make a tier list you sadly didn't mention: 1) How do YOU judge how good a champion is ? Is it based on what the meta favors or what pro players think ? Or is it just what you think ? is it based on objective stats or on personal experiance ? How bad is a B champion compared to an S champion ? 2) How should we interpret this list ? Is it a tier list for "pick up and be good" or is the list based on "champion A when fully mastered is better than champion B when fully mastered" ? What is it aimed at ? 3) Personally i like a little "Why this is S+" explanation, but that's optional. 4) What is your GOAL of this list ? personally i don't think anyone would take the time to make a list without a goal... Is it to start thoughtfull discussion ? Is it to help newer players ? Who is your audiance and what is the purpose of the list ? I'm sorry if this came across asif i know it better, cause i don't, but i don't really know how i should interpret your list :/ And I would love to give you my thoughts on your lists but i just don't know how you judged the champions :/ The main reason i make this comment is because i see you put alot of effort into it, and i'd like to enjoy the post you put so much effort in :D {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
ty for the informations i will answer you for the questions 1) what i think + personal experience + B isnt bad champion at all , this is compared by how the champion can do on the game by normal player but if you are experienced with him , it can go for S , like diana , she is tier D , but im really good with her , and i can defeat zed easily , thats why we cant compare champions like S can defeat D , its about the player , thats why its my opinion example , if zed is S and im bad with him , what is the point of the tier list :D 2) its just about kit and stats of each champion , i cant say champion A when fully mastered is better than champion B when fully mastered , because Champion B can counter champion A , so i cant depend on this , also itsnt about pick up and be good , because 1) this game is designed for fun and entertainment 2) itsnt about the champion how powerfull he is , its how about you play him and every champion even from S if you play him 1st time , you wont do that good 3) Irelia : if you can do her combo 100% correct , you will do alot of damage , her defense is good , she have nice mobility Darius : his defense and damage is good , even if you go tanky items , you can still manage to deal damage Graves : his damage is great , his ganking is very good at early , he can play the full game ( early , med , late ) master yi : the counter of the tanks + fighters , yi is easy to play champion , his true damage is massive , his attack speed + basic damage is great , and we cant forget about his movement speed , he is immune to slows + blade of the ruined king + R , his Q is so effective against skillshots abilities and ultimates , i advice people to gank when they get lvl 6 , but he can gank at lvl 1-5 , but it wont be effective as lvl 6 with ulti Zed : his damage is massive , his mobility is good tho , he can escape from any ability with his ulti , he is great midlaner Kai sa : escaping from kai sa is impossible if she have ulti and plasma on you + every 5 attacks she deals a massive damage with just 1 basic attack , her E is great for engaging and escaping , Q deals nice damage if you go with ad , and W deals nice damage if you go with ap even tho you can use it to put plasma then go to your enemy using R Nami : she is good for crowd controls , heals , buffs for allies , she is just the best supp in the game in my opinion but i couldnt compare her with morgana because nami is supportive support and morgana is ap support morgana : good damage , alot of crowd controls , 3s root , shield that protect you from ap + crowd controls , she is great supp 4) my main goal is to help newer players ( let them train an S champion so they can do good in games instead getting flamed by toxic players :D ) + if i was wrong , the more experienced players can give me advices :D ty for the comment and this questions :D {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Breakhz (EUNE)
: how is zoe hard lel. she is not aplay maker just throw speels and hope to hit.Is not a zed or a yasuo to call it difficult.
this is her combo , tactics with her is hard still , like you need to know when to flash , where to use ur ulti , there's no reason to put her difficulty = hard if she depends on skillshots + her combo which is (E , Q , R , Q ) , she isnt ezreal that fully depends on skillshots + her mobility is weak and she can be killed easily if she missed her E
AiFted (EUW)
: i don't agree with your list, but difficulty is not something that should play a role when it comes to balance
it does , as i said , zoe , zed , yasuo . they are hard but still they deal alot of damage , but first you need to do some tactics , if it comes to zoe , its optional to have tactics with her but her mobility , her defense , thats something gives her the balance tho , yasuo and zed needs tactics and without it they dont deal that much damage , thats why difficulty plays a role
: Nasus kit also inbalanced but he atleast is kiteable and can be countered through armor even though his E shreds alot camille has a dash every 4 secs with 40% cdr that stuns you and shreds you with a 1100 true dmg AA late can lock you up in a 1v1 with her R and overall has just too much damage also she can abuse trinity+sterraks in its current state which is pretty much too powerfull right now
I agree with you about camille , camille is unbalanced , im in wrong :D ty for the information {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} she still unbalanced in patch notes 8.12
Rioter Comments
: i wanna now the reason why camille in her current state is balanced.
the reason is simple , she is fighter , which means balance between health and damage , and i can see that with camille , she deals more damage but still her difficulty can make her balanced too , alot of fighters are dealing alot of damage + they are tanky like darius , volibear and nasus i want to know your opinion about nasus :D
: zoe, difficult????? okay then
yea , zoe is difficult , you might see her easy , but there's tactics with her :D , not everything with combos , zoe combo is easy , but her tactics is hard af , in my opinion .
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