: Most players who get perma banned create a new account and don't change their ways. I think that if there was a 6 month suspension people would really do the same, however, once they get back the access to the account (which they probably waited for), it would make them think twice before being toxic again (cause they would know how long that 6 month period is and they would know that next ban is a permanent one). 6 months is just not the same as 14 days. Its a punishment on a whole another level. The more I think about it, the more I really like the idea of a 6 month ban. There is absolutely no reason not to support it.
Salute to your open-mindness bro! I am happy there are people who understand me.
: Uhm... you realise that you made you whole post void with what you've said? You're exactly right. To toxic people it doesn't matter how often or how long they get banned. They will simply switch to other games or play on another account. That's why it's important to weed them out as quickly as possible, but still leaving the people with potential some time to reform.
LoL that's a bad conclusion you made there.What about me? I would care if my account was banned for too long like months whereas a 2 week suspension isn't much of a deal.Also,i never switched to other games and am not going to.Finally, playing on another account isn't even nearly as fun as playing with my original old one full of runes and skins so if i even ever play in another one it will not be for many hours and won't even take long until i stop.
: Riot stated before, that the ban length and frequency doesn't really matter to "unreformable" people. So they rather sort them out quickly. Whereas those with the potential to reform will do so after the first penalities. Riot acquired that knowledge after years of testing and tweaking banning systems. That's why they also don't unban permabanned accounts anymore (they did that as an experiment for a while). Because those belong to unreformable people and they start to be toxic again.
Not every toxic player should be marked as unreformable, that is wrong.Not everyone with the potential to reform does it after the first penalties also.
Purejoyce (EUNE)
: >Now,what i am proposing is putting one more tier of punishment after the 2 week suspension,im talking about a 3 or more months punishment.This is something that would definitely help and that's because these players aren't really afraid of losing their account permanently because a 2 week suspension isn't something that would make them miss their account and understand the seriousness of the situtation while a 3 or more as i said month punishment would absolutely give the feel of loss and players i believe would not only reform after this but there will be a great chance that this small toxic portion will vanish. The only reason you want "one more tier of punishment" is beacuse you've reached the "perm-ban" tier. If there were 20 tiers of punishment including various lengths of account suspension, you'd come after the 20th and ask for one more "because 20 isn't enough". 3 months-long suspention wouldn't be effective at all. What it would cause is: a) someone leaving the game entirely b) someone creating a new account, because in a 3 months he can easly lvl it up and get basic rune pages (and he won't even need that after the rune/mastery makeover). ____________ And now to the MAIN point: >Since i just got perma-banned i realised that the current banning system including a couple of chat restrictions and a 2 week suspension isn't really helping negative players to understand that they might lose their account forever if they keep going You keep claiming that people banned for 14 days don't understand the seriousness of the problem, but here's a screenshot of said warning that I've googled: http://i.imgur.com/PAGDpW2.jpg It literally tells you that next time you'll get permanently banned. You have no excuse.
Don't make any conclusions yet.My suggestion hasn't been put to the test yet. Lastly,you have commented many times until now and you have become irritating.I think i am done with you.
Estti379 (EUW)
: >to stop this unfairness to everyone in the same situation as me. What about the people who have to deal with people flaming them because of more lenient punishment, and thus the higher chances of meeting toxic people? You don't care about them?
I care about them but don't prove me wrong until my suggestion is put in to test (not that im hoping that it will but just saying).
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
With your reply and some others' replies i found out that there is no point in discussing serious topics as this one since most of the people disagree and even critisise. I feel sad for this one....
Estti379 (EUW)
: Even if your Idea was implemented, riot still wouldn't unban your account. TBH, if your motivation to pursue and push your current suggestion is in an attempt to get your account back, then you are doing things for a very bad reason =/
As i just said don't do this only to get my account back which of course is very desirable but also to stop this unfairness to everyone in the same situation as me.
Punshero (EUW)
: Guys go create a account on EUW, level your account to 30. Than you see what real toxity really is. They even do everything to %%%% your game. As example: You are the jgler, they always follow you, they take all your jungle creeps, they let you die on purpose while they laugh next to you. And now imagine this kind of behaviour when they do this as 4 premades. And now tell me if you have still fun with the game. The thing is these kind of people dont get punished, if they dont write in chat something toxic. You just need to accept it and go 0/25 becasue u cant do anything and they anway dont help you or want to help you and let you die. Because of this some people like me are toxic TORWARDS THEM not to other people. But still you get punished. Honestly create a account and level it to 30. Record every game and post it here and you see from what i talk and how angry you can get. EDIT: I also dont understand why there is no self mute till now, there is nothing to lose for anyone... I thought that since many years... You can mute you on your profile before you go into game. You cant unmute you ingame. PROFIT ! Less toxic people. Better game experience. Most people dont want to flame even. And i know you say than these people go inting or stuff, but i dot think so. Overall it would just be better in any sense, it provides nothing negative for anyone. Most problems is because someone lost his lane and flames jgler and the jgler flames back etc... EDIT2: Also cancer aids %%% needs to get insta perma ban imo. Well i dont want to write more im done. Good night bois<3
Nice comment and suggestion there.Congrats!
Estti379 (EUW)
: I'll just leave a conclusion I used in your other discussion. ______________ People who end up getting a permaban in the current system, are players who riot has given up on. Players who would eat up way too many resources if they further tried to reform them, because they are people who are very difficult to reform =/ Trying to reform them would come with high cost but bring just low returns... And by costs, I do not just mean "money used", but overall effects on the current toxicity in the game. In the end, with a new punishment tier, it would make it take longer to get rid of extremely toxic players, since because of being perma-banning right away they come back once more after X months. And people already told you that banning people for too long has the opposite of the desired effect: instead of people coming back and try to reform, they come back even more frustrated and end up being more toxic... >One more suggestion would be putting (after the 2week suspension of course) a perma-chat restriction which means that the player would have a limited chance of texting in game forever.A perma-ban is just too harsh,too strict to deal with. About the permanent chat restriction. Before the current system, it was possible to get huge number of chat restricted games. The highest I have seen is 4k games... The thing is, to get so many chat restricted games, you need to "earn" more restricted games before you are done with your current ones. Meaning, people were still way too toxic, even with the restricted number of chat lines they were allowed. How would a permanent chat restriction help? Let's not forget, most people who got at least one punishment, ended up reforming. People who don't, had high chances of being like the "4k person" I described before: they get chat restriction after chat restriction. Not much different from a permanent chat restriction... Anyway, quick question: with the part that I quoted from you, are you asking riot to replace a permanent ban with a permanent chat restriction? If the answer is a "Yes", then you are asking for a system similar to the one we had before. And it was way less effective than the one we have right now^^
I dont believe in what others say that one more tier would have nagative effects.I am actually proposing a nice punishment which can make someone realise that he can't stay away from his account for long, let alone for as long as 3 to 6 months.As for the question, well the answer is ''NO'' because i thinked a little bit more about this one and read many comments about it and since it has already been tested i have made my conclusion that it is not a good solution and i admit it.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: Just to make it a bit clear to you. I like your "Suggestion" its nice and smart. but hope you do understand that you lost the account forever forever. and even if the system you propose ends of making it to live servers. it will most probably stay banned. just saying man. dont get your hopes up 99.9% you aint getting your account unbanned. And i gotta be honest with you. you are just trying to get your account back
I admit that i am a little frustrated with the loss of my account and to be honest i really think there is at least a 10% chance i could get it back if of course what i suggest is implemented sometime in the future.I never hided that i wanted my account back as much as anything but apart from that i also feel that the system is a little wrong and unfair simultaneously.Lastly thanks for considering my suggestion nice and smart.Your comment is probably the best in my post so far.
Me0wstic (EUW)
: And how about just replacing the two week with 3 month?
Could also work....who knows.Everything needs implementation so that the result can be clear.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Sorry for the fact that im less informed than you in terms of what Riot has tested in the past There's nothing to apoligize for. I've been a community member, with a keen interest in Riot's Player Behaviour systems, since 2012. I have extensive knowledge on how the PB systems work, and what Riot has tested already. --- > i haven't seen any suggestion from you yet,only disagreement which is not what im looking for. I don't have to give suggestions if I don't want to. You not looking for disagreements isn't something you can always expect when posting on a public platform. If you don't want to see people disagreeing with you, you should be writing blogs without the ability for users to comments. Here, people discuss. If you notice, you start "discussions" here, implying that people discuss various ideas. And what is the problem with people pointing out problems with your suggestions? Doesn't that just provide you with information as to how to improve your ideas?
You 've got a point i should accept everyone's opinion on the topic (actually that's what i was trying to do until now) but i firmly believe that at least my first idea about the monthly ban needs no improvement.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
If you disagree with my suggestion of putting one more tier of punishment and especially a quality one like the monthly punishment then you must be really indifferent.About the tribunal data,no matter what it shows there is space for evolution.Also why you turn to my scientific evidence?Since when a game has become science?It is a fact that most of the lost games are due to intentional feeding/trolling or even just being unskilled.I am sure i don't have to prove this,it is obvious.
Me0wstic (EUW)
: I see flame almost every game,and it's like 90% for someone losing lane, making a wrong play, .. And if I see someone int/troll , it's almost always **because **of flame. Am I wrong in this?
You are partly wrong in this.Although flame is in almost every game,what you have got wrong there is that it is 90% the reason for someone to lose his lane.No man i have a great objection to the percent you have put there.I would put a 40% to the flame and 60%to indifferent/unskilled/bad players.And let me repeat me that flamers are born by those bad players,not just accidentally.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > For the last time i am repeating that guys who would resort to intentional feeding (if they were chat-restricted forever),would do so anyway for any other reason rather than being chat restricted. Not necessarily. They may have not ever intentionally fed before, but resorted to it once their chat was taken away, because they always took out their anger in the chat in the past. That was the issue; more people resorted to intentionally feeding when permanent chat restrictions were a thing. Riot tested what you suggested, and it didn't work. They removed it as a penalty form because it didn't have a positive result on player behaviour, so why reintroduce it?
Sorry for the fact that im less informed than you in terms of what Riot has tested in the past but i didn't only give one suggestion but 2 and am trying to come up with more while i haven't seen any suggestion from you yet,only disagreement which is not what im looking for.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Because it would have a positive effect,in fact those negative players are inclined to become positive with my suggestion.There is a good chance for this im pretty sure and Riot should definitely try to keep as many players as they can and not just ingore players who have difficulty in coping with negativity.Lastly,how come flamers are one of the most important reasons people quit LoL? I need some evidence for this,some strong proof.Actually the main reason someone quits LoL is because the majority of the players are either feeding intentionally/trolling or are just too bad resulting to a loss.....I hope ι covered your questions.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: There's no reason for you to start being rude towards me simply because I don't share your opinions. The boards is a public discussion platform, and you'll have to respect other people if you wish to post here. --- > I don't understand how a perma-chat restriction isn't effective. As I said: Riot tested this a while back, and provided people that normally would have been permabanned for verbal misbehaviour with never-ending chat restrictions. The result was that these people took their anger out in other ways when they weren't able to chat, and started to destroy the games with the tools they had at hand, such as intentionally feeding. So this didn't actually solve the problem of unwanted verbal behaviour, it just allowed these people to ruin the experience for more players before getting their bans. --- > First of all it stops toxic players from keeping up the flame and secondly as you said many of them can resort to intentional feeding but how does that make it ineffective how? It's ineffective because it made them do things like intentionally feed, which gave them time to destroy more games before getting banned.
I am not rude to you because i don't share the same opinion with you....i never said anything like that.....that's just your own conclusion.You are just irritating me with your nonesense replies. For the last time i am repeating that guys who would resort to intentional feeding (if they were chat-restricted forever),would do so anyway for any other reason rather than being chat restricted.
Shiwah (EUW)
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I mostly express what i feel is fair and it is also my firm belief that i represent some people in the same situation as me. I considered reforming only after the permaban because that's when i realised that i was out of my mind and that there must be a good solution to this, a so called happy ending.
Smerk (EUW)
: Well, perma chat restrictions clearly don't work, Riot already tried them. Bigger ban may work, but 3 months is still too short. What I would settle with is at least 6 months or even a year, so that player will also won't get season rewards that season
I agree with you more months might be the solution.I am glad that there are guys who find what i feel is reasonable.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > One more suggestion would be putting (after the 2week suspension of course) a perma-chat restriction which means that the player would have a limited chance of texting in game forever. This was already tested a while back, and it wasn't an efficient method to handle people misbehaving. Most of the people undergoing this punishment just found other ways to ruin games, such as intentionally feeding. So it only allowed them to ruin even more games before they eventually got the permaban they should have gotten in the first place. --- > i am talking about the fact that the current banning system isn't helping this very small bunch of very toxic players(in which i belonged to) who find it difficult with stopping the flame because there are very bad players ruining their game. And why should Riot spend more time on them? If they can't behave, they're simply unwanted as players here. It would be better if they found something else to do than play this game. Their behaviour is ultimately their responsibility. It's not Riot's job to teach people how to behave, even though they have reform systems. They'll only do so much.
Again you Hansiman,i am sick of you already......are you really spending most of your time irritating others and constantly replying to their posts by criticising them? really are you? I don't understand how a perma-chat restriction isn't effective.First of all it stops toxic players from keeping up the flame and secondly as you said many of them can resort to intentional feeding but how does that make it ineffective how? Players who do resort to intentional feeding would do it anyway no matter why. As for your statement that Riot shouldn't spend more time on this minority,i find you are way too indifferent not only in terms of playing a game but i see generally in your life.
: It kinda sucks how you used accounts to up vote and down vote whatever you wanted to or asked your friends to. You know you are wrong and you still continue spamming with the same posts here on Boards. Dude, it's kinda desperate.
Just what? what the?? also this only my second post on boards....is that even considered as spam? lol
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
LoL you are just asking one more question with a given and obvious answer.I just said that 14 days ban isn't effective for this minority because time passes and 2 weeks isn't much if you think of it.As for telling someone it is his last chance is something that is a little bit forgettable for example it's been a while since i got the 2 week suspension and i even forgot that it came with a perma-ban warning.So i feel that Riot shouldn't surrender on hoping that there is some chance to reform even after so many punishments because now are talking about a great punishment of months that would leave a wound open.
Tarolock (EUW)
: >who find it difficult with stopping the flame because there are very bad players ruining their game. and what if i tell you that flaming ruins my game? >Now,what i am proposing is putting one more tier of punishment after the 2 week suspension,im talking about a 3 or more months punishment the severity of a punishment is not that important, the important stuff here is that you get caught right when you broke the rules so you know what you did is not welcome and so you know that they can identify if you break rules pretty fast, so next time you wont break those rules
Let me tell you this man.Yes flaming does ruin many games in League but you have to think why are these persons doing it? Just because they love raging or something? I don't think so friend.The main reason that they are doing this is because there are some indifferent players in their team feeding intentionally or trolling and that's the most common thing in League of Legends matches which by the way isn't the most punishable but rather the flame is the most punishable thing which for me is funny and disapponting as well.As for what your talking about severity,there i have a great objection.Of course the severity of the punishment plays a great role in someone's actions and im not going to analyse this becaue it must be apparent.
Zanador (EUNE)
: So you are saying that there should be another layer of punishment between the current 14 day ban and permaban because that would make people realize how serious the situation is. In order to move forward with the idea, answer this question: does the permaban fail to make people realize the situation? I can see your point when you say that after a several months long ban, people will think twice about risking the account they just got back, but doesn't losing an account permanently have the same effect too? And while you briefly touched it, i remember that some toxic players who tried to reform actually asked Riot to put chat restriction onto their accounts, so they simply could not flame even if they wanted to. I haven't heard about what happened to these cases.
To answer your question let me simply tell you this:The perma-ban does make people realize the situation but simultaneously it is already too late to do something to improve.I thought it was obvious lol.
Rioter Comments
Purejoyce (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=xFataL,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=m3NHp3yU,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-07-11T16:08:58.869+0000) > > My case is that apart from being too negative and toxic i was also a little immature playing the game especially back then when i got my first 2 chat restrictions which too place a long time ago.Only the 2 week suspension could be called recent and even that happened months ago. That's a clear lie, if your punishments took place in a space of months like you claim AND you'd show signs of improving your ingame behavior, your punishment tiers wouldn't drop down. They didn't, so either you didn't change at all or the punishments didn't take place in a span of months. Either way, you're making things up to try help your case.
Who are you to define what i say is a lie??.Just who are you?Let me tell you,a typical critic. Kisses
: I think what he is trying to say is this: 1. 14 day suspensions (before the permaban comes into effect) is not enough for people to realise that they are at a risk of totally losing their account. 14 days may not be enough for people to start caring about their account (on a psychological level). 2. There needs to be a new ban level (like 3-6 months after 14 days) so people really realise what it is like to be without your main account. (not just a small break of 14 days). Maybe there is some merit to it. Having a new level of say 6 month suspension after 14 days will definitely feel like a long time without an account. I will give an example that I once witnessed. My friend, in the heat of the moment really stopped caring about his account (which he invested a lot of time and money into) because he got mad during a game. He began raging and got a 14 day suspension. He didn't want to play League and couldn't care less about his account that day, 7 days after and even 30 days after. But in 2 months he logged back in to play some League. That decision to go back to the game after 2 months was on a cool head with a desire to play League. Did he feel the 14 day ban? Nope. Needless to say after another 2 months he got a permanent ban. And only after coming back to League in another 3 months he realised how much he misses his account. As Riot have stated, their philosophy is not to punish people but to reform them. Clearly, the 14 day -> permanent ban jump didn't really help the person, however, a 6 month ban (doesn't matter if it would have been instead of the 14 day ban or as a new tier) would have probably made him realise how much he really values his account.
Hey Sibrus, to be brief,i like your suggest very much.You are really open-minded!
Hansiman (EUNE)
: If a person doesn't care or try to reform, after a 14 day ban with a final warning message, chances are much greater that they won't ever care to reform. Permabans are Riots way of saying "find something else to play".
Hansiman stop replying man you have become irritating.You are the kind of person who keeps talking even when he doesn't have anything smart to say anymore.You even replied in a dumb way to someone who gave a really good suggestion.Just stop man,stop!
Rismosch (EUW)
: That is actually a terrible suggestion. If someone is super salty because his life is shit at the moment, and he let's out his anger and frustration in the game, then he deserves to be instantly gutted? Hell no. The current system at least has the room for reforming. You should ban people who are having consistently bad behaviour, not just a bad day. If you immediately ban everyone who shows just slight toxicity, then you would kill your game by not letting your players play it.
Maybe that not the best suggestion i could give to be honest.However, i absolutely believe that there is something better that could be done to help players like me who of course were also a little immature when they got the first chat restritions or limited suspensions.
xFataL (EUNE)
: My case is that apart from being too negative and toxic i was also a little immature playing the game especially back then when i got my first 2 chat restrictions which too place a long time ago.Only the 2 week suspension could be called recent and even that happened months ago.
That being said , i am sure that if i was little more mature back then i wouldn't have got the perma-ban, at least not so early...
: I have recently received a 14-day suspension for tilt in chat, and when I saw that someone who trolled in my promos the day before was still actively playing without any sort of restriction, at first the banning system felt very unfair to me as well. Fact remains that some players will slip under the radar, where others might get caught immediately. The ban did however show me that tilting in chat is wrong, and the seriousness of a 14-day ban is kind of hard to miss. The fact that next violation of the rules will permanently lose me my beloved account in which I have put hundreds of hours of effort, and in which I plan to put some thousands more, is scary beyond belief, let me tell you. Anyone who genuinely cares about the game and his account will think twice before violating rules again, knowing that it takes only one more violation to permanently lose all you progress, ranks, mastery levels and skins...
My case is that apart from being too negative and toxic i was also a little immature playing the game especially back then when i got my first 2 chat restrictions which too place a long time ago.Only the 2 week suspension could be called recent and even that happened months ago.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: A 'liftable permaban' is not a permaban. It's a temporary ban. Permaban is a last resort which means **permanent**. --- > the money spent on my old perma-banned account are not getting compensated anytime soon.So that's some injustice im trying to cope with. That's not injustice. You won't get a refund for violating the rules. You agree to these terms yourself.
As i can see you are a senior emissary and all you try to do is to keep your opinion at the top and all the others shutted.The indifference here is on another level.Sorry if i offended you but that's also what you do to me.Now back to what i was talking about,call it what you want a perma-ban or whatever the name doesn't matter,what matters is that the first and immediate punishment that should come up after a flame must be like a month or even more giving people a great i repeat great chance to reform.
Me0wstic (EUW)
: > In other words,when you put some chat restrictions or week suspensions to a player's account,he doesn't really understand the seriousness of the situation and isn't really afraid of losing his account forever.Only when the perma-ban comes in does anyone realise what has happened and that he must have stopped all the negativity and toxicity. We want them to realize they have to stop being toxic, and, according to what you say, that's only possible with a perma-ban? If what you just said is true, we should keep perma-ban.
Yes keeping a perma-ban but a straightforward and liftable one coming with one more chance.That's what im saying.
Smerk (EUW)
: Many deserve this chance? Not really, Tarolock already told you about experiment that Riot did, it shows exactly how many really deserve that chance. In the end it's not really worth it, let hundreds of toxic players play a game a bit more, ruining many games in the process, just to get back few that aren't that bad and can still improve their behaviour
Many others like me who in total are very few....Please understand completely and then reply.Thanks in advance.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: A 30 day ban is not a permaban. A permaban is permanent. Riot doesn't unban permabanned accounts unless the ban itself was a mistake. If you were permabanned for valid reasons, the ban sticks. You are, however, free to create a new account, which won't be permabanned if you behave.
I am talking about a liftable perma-ban please listen to me carefully.As for telling me to create a new account isn'ts anything that i didn't know was free to do and the time and especially the money spent on my old perma-banned account are not getting compensated anytime soon.So that's some injustice im trying to cope with.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: They already get more warnings. The only thing you're proposing is giving them a potential 4th warning. If 3 warnings aren't enough, a 4th one isn't going to change anything.
You got me wrong.I not even close to proposing a 4th chance.I am putting forward an immediate perma-ban following the very start of someone's flame which of course is liftable coming with a reform card that tells you to stop and then let you to play again in your account after a month.If the player doesn't understand even that sudden and immediate warning then the decision should of course be final.This is a way i believe of helping this very small portion of flaming people to have a chance to play League again.It will be effective i feel.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Greetings. How many chances should a person get? If they get yet another chance after a permaban, then that's not a permaban. A 14 day ban comes with a message stating it is your **final** warning. If people don't understand what they're doing at this point, then they're the only ones to blame for getting permabanned. They've shown no signs of wanting to improve, and are thus not wanted here. Riot did actually test it out in the past, allowing permabanned players to regain access to their past accounts. This test was a huge failure, as nearly every single person went back to their past toxic behaviour once they got access to their old accounts. It's simply a terrible idea towards the majority of the community, since you're allowing this small group of players to abuse even more people before permabanning them.
Hey there, I know that Riot once gave a chance with a big failure but here im suggesting a way of saving those guys who don't understand the seriousness of the problem.I don't say yes to giving many chances but putting instantly a perma-ban to someone who just started flaming without previously putting him any chat restriction or a limited suspension.And if you consider this not a so called ''perma-ban''.I have to infrom you that there indeed have been players who got a perma-ban and got it lifted after asking to reform,of course that was really rare and now maybe doesn't even happen.
: > [{quoted}](name=xFataL,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=m3NHp3yU,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-07-11T15:09:27.184+0000) > > It shouldn&#x27;t be funny man.It really doesn&#x27;t help when someone has the habit of flaming.Only something serious like a perma-ban can help.That being said,there was also my immaturity back then that led me to the perma-ban.. Yes it shouldn't be funny. I'm sure it wasn't funny for the countless of players you flamed before you were finally stopped. You can try everything you want here, but your account will still be banned and that won't change, and the only one to blame is you.
The irony here is real...
Hansiman (EUNE)
: There's no way for you to accurately check this. Riot actually can, and they keep a close eye on the reformation of players based on their penalties. Most people that undergo a single chat restriction reform, and **never** need to get punished again.
As you said, most of the people never need to get punished again.But what i am talking about is helping the minority of the people who have difficulty in reforming
Rismosch (EUW)
: No, I don't think so. As I said, Riot already had multiple levels of punishments. But it didn't work. I guess it might be because the players were like "Well, I still got 5 punishents before I get banned", thus continue being toxic and refusing to reform. So either you realize that you will be punished and stop, or you continue and Riot makes sure you will be punished. One 14-day ban is enaugh. Either you realize that you should stop or Riot hits you with a permaban. Because there are so few levels, people don't have room to continue being toxic before the permaban hits.
My friend if you open your mind a little bit more (no offence here).....you will see that there actually are solutions to be found.One example even i can give,is putting a perma-ban at the start,at the very start of a player's negativity no chat restrictions no nothing just a permaban immediately.Now you might say that this is too sudden and straightforward but if such a thing is implemented with a reform card saying that you can get a last chance in like a month from now, i believe that it would definitely work even for the minority who had flamed too much in the past.
: U got 3 warnings. That's more than enough. Most people reform after first chat restriction.
That is not true.I have seen many fellow players that after one chat restriction they stop flaming for a while but after some time like a month or so they start again.It is definitely not effective for this small portion of too negative players in which i am or at least was involved.
: It's funny how after 3 chances(THREE!) you still didn't feel like you should stop, you had more than enough chances. Now you can start a new account and be friendly on that one, because on the old one you lost the right to after not respecting the summoner's code.
It shouldn't be funny man.It really doesn't help when someone has the habit of flaming.Only something serious like a perma-ban can help.That being said,there was also my immaturity back then that led me to the perma-ban..
Rismosch (EUW)
: In the early days of League, Riot experimented with punishments. More or less levels of punishment, even a system were if you got an account to level 30 without a single punishment, you will be unbanned. But many people fell back into being toxic and the different levels that we currently have are the most efficiant ones.
My belief is that even though the current ones are the most efficient ones,there is progress to be made and an even better solution to be found my friend ;)
karolmo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=xFataL,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=m3NHp3yU,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-07-11T14:47:23.703+0000) > > That&#x27;s an interesting answer you got me there but i am waiting for a Riot specialist to answer me because the situation is serious and it has to change. keep waiting
meehh i just have no option rather than waiting...
Smerk (EUW)
: > when you put some chat restrictions or week suspensions to a player's account,he doesn't really understand the seriousness of the situation and isn't really afraid of losing his account forever. You are wrong on this one, majority of players that receive chat restrictions once never get a second one. If that doesn't mean that they understand the seriousness of this then I don't know what does. And those who really don't understand don't really deserve another chance. 14 days ban is very serious thing and you should be able to get it at this point
I have to assure you that im definitely not wrong. I am sure that players should understand the seriousness of the situatuion just by a single chat restriction,let alone a 2 week suspension.But if you don't know, i have to infrom you that it isn't a fact that most of the players don't get a second chat restriction, i myself have seen many people getting a second chat and even a third chat restriction.Regarding the 2 week suspension that is very serious and we should get it, i can say that everything is forgettable since time passes.For example it's been months since i got my 2 week suspension and i didn't even understand the danger i was in. So as i said before i feel that i and many others deserve a last chance in the league.
karolmo (EUW)
: Your suggestion makes sense. But rito won't give a %%%%. They told you to come here so you stopped bothering them.
If that's the case then i feel sad man, really really sad...
Tarolock (EUW)
: it was discussed more than anything on the boards, and the final words on it are always the same: riot already tried it, first you didnt get bans at all for flaming/raging just longer and longer chat restrictions, that method did not fix the problem because the flamers who could not flame still had a way to ruin others game, they started feeding/trolling etc then riot started permabanning flamers too, and there was a time where they gave permabanned players a last chance: if they could reach lvl 30 on a new account without getting any punishment they could get back their permabanned account, and guess what: 99% of the players didnt even reached lvl 15 without punishment and since then there is no way they lift permabans, only if you are banned by mistake, which happens rarely
That's an interesting answer you got me there but i am waiting for a Riot specialist to answer me because the situation is serious and it has to change.
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