KÌNDRÊD (EUW)
: >xShuki: as i can see im best in team, idk why you blame me for everything you went 5/21 that game https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2101632295/224410598?tab=overview {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
> [{quoted}](name=KÌNDRÊD,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGHYzo0f,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-01-01T01:58:40.307+0000) > > you went 5/21 that game https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2101632295/224410598?tab=overview > > {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} I was still best in team
: > [{quoted}](name=xShuki,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGHYzo0f,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-12-30T13:23:32.552+0000) > > Report-calling > Report-calling is thing when you ask others to report someone, have I asked anyone to report anyone? What you did is a form of threatening ("reported") / blaming ("griefing"), and as such it can be considered as bullying / intimidation and is against the summoner code. Anyway, why would say "reported for griefing"? **The game won't be won because you are bullying someone, right?** > > Flaming > Flaming is thing when you are cursing someone in chat. I asked my support to stop taking farm since he taken every single minion with his abilities. > > > Flaming > Flaming is thing when you are cursing someone in chat. I told my team that I won't waste my time with support who takes my minions. Later they were flaming me because I am low, but how wouldn't I be while support taken my gold for no reason? > > Flaming > xShuki: I asked him kindly but he refuses > Flaming is thing when you are cursing someone in chat. Where you see flaming in this sentence, could you explain me? > Yes, on the internet flaming is related to cursing, but still, you are blaming them and spreading negativity. All of it creates a negative environment to the game, which is obviously bad if you want to win the game (which is your main goal, right?). In League, a lot of people use the word flaming to point out behaviors spreading negativity. And, at the end of the day, both are punishable. > You report-called earlier in the game, and you know it's punishable. Quite ironic right? > As I already said, report-calling is asking someone to report someone else, I haven't did it in any single way. As I said, you are bullying / intimidating them by saying reported. So yes it is punishable. > > > xShuki: bot, can u take care about dragon please? > xShuki: u did when kassa attacked > xShuki: and u havent warded drake as i said > xShuki: so not my prob > Flaming > I literally asked botlane to ward dragon multiple times, few moments after I asked them last time midlaner ganked them, They were raging at me because midlaner ganked them and I haven't help. What's bad there? What is bad is that you are blaming them and you are assuming that** if they don't do what you want them to do, then you won't help them winning the game.** But, wait, have you been elected leader / shotcaller? If they think not warding is better, their opinion matters as well. > Blaming > Blaming is thing when you blame other people for something they did. They were flaming me because I haven't followed midlaner on botlane, but I wanted to farm midlane. They hadn't wards and they flamed me because of a gank while I pinged multiple times that midlaner was not on lane. I told them that I asked them to ward, but they won't, so don't blame me for your own mistakes buddy. Did you blame them ? Yes. Is blaming bad ? Yes. Are you doing this because they also did something illegal ? It doesn't matter. If I come to your house and pee on your car, it is still illegal for you to come to mine and pee on my car. The only thing you should do is reporting this to the police. > Negativity > Negativity is a thing where you are trying to lose game by all meanings. I tried to win game, but premade Sivir and Sona were following me whole damn game. I tried to farm my jungle, but they were taking all my camps. I tried to farm minions on lanes, but they were following me and taking every single minion. I tried to play, but they were continuosly griefing my game. I am still banned for saying that I hope they will get punished, but they are playing free every game after my report. I also reported them on riot's support, but there is no punishment for their trolling and griefing, you know? You did not try to win the game because you set up a bad environment. If you were actually trying to win the game, you would have apologized, even if you thought you were right because, they would have been happier and everyone would have played better. Moreover, you are wishing that something bad happens to them. That's not very nice. -- I really understand how painful it can be to see his account perma banned. But still, unfortunately, you are not innocent. What I advise you is to play only with friends if you can't stand random players. I almost only play with full premades and when i don't, i try to control myself and set up a good environment in the game.
Yes i tried to win the game. I wasn't Brand who gone afk I wasn't Akali who was walking around and executing under tower I wasn't Teemo who haven't said even one single word in game and acted ward in bush for the half of game (he was afk) I was adc who tried to carry team while they flamed at me. Actually I had best stats there and I tried my best, but they were provoking me all the time and they were griefing. So, explain me, who is setting up negative environment? RIOT, please keep banning players like me, and let griefers and trollers play forever. You are doing it very well! Anyway, I will enjoy now the game. I'm going to make new account, I'll play only Janna and I am going to shield only turrets while no-one attacks them. I'll act like noob who can't play, I'll attack only jungle-camps. I'll play Janna with smite and I'll troll every single ranked game I will play, so you can't ban me for that, right, I'm having just bad games. Anyway, keep that account banned, it's fine. Hope your game is going to crash very soon because of your lust. Bye and have fun in future as I am going to :)
: > [{quoted}](name=xShuki,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGHYzo0f,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-29T21:50:43.737+0000) > Game 1 > Pre-Game > xShuki: adc > > In-Game > xShuki: bot no summs > xShuki: both reported for griefing Report-calling > xShuki: can you stop taking my farm bvrand? Flaming > xShuki: I really tried to play, but there is support that grief my game so I won't waste more time, good luck guys and try to win Flaming > xShuki: Brand won't play support so he takes my farm Flaming > xShuki: I asked him kindly but he refuses Flaming > xShuki: you should know that asking for report is banable and 9 reports counts same as one You report-called earlier in the game, and you know it's punishable. Quite ironic right? > xShuki: I reported people multiple times and every time I got that answer from riot support > xShuki: okay > xShuki: as u wish :=) > xShuki: akali, try to change your behavior, you are so negative > xShuki: enjoy in game > xShuki: i will mute you as rioter told me and i will report you > xShuki: you can try to win instead of blaming me for mistakes > xShuki: fine :9 > xShuki: i like ur gameplay teemo > xShuki: ill help u > xShuki: Asking for reports is banable akali > xShuki: nop :) > xShuki: xd > xShuki: should i care akali? > xShuki: why? > xShuki: it's my opinion > xShuki: you have button to agree or not to agree Nothing special > xShuki: they are doing baron > xShuki: and we dont have ward on it > xShuki: as i can see im best in team, idk why you blame me for everything Flaming > xShuki: yy > xShuki: try to change ur behavior akali, u are so much negative > xShuki: im really positive and im trying to win it by splitpushing, but you are flaming at me and asking everyone to report me for no r > xShuki: change ur behavior, focus on game and win > xShuki: teemo's e is toxic, he must be :P > xShuki: you are literally asking him not to shot basics > xShuki: im trying to do my best, best farm, best assists, vision score, but you all flame me, idk why > xShuki: change your behavior and focus on game men > xShuki: im not trolling, im doing my best while u flame me > xShuki: you are so much toxic buddy, change urself > Post-Game > xShuki: that akali was so much toxic :/ Nothing special > Game 2 > In-Game > xShuki: yas, can u ward our red? > xShuki: bot help me > xShuki: smiteless pls > xShuki: sto nisi na disc? > xShuki: aha > xShuki: odoh bot jung ocistiti pa cu opet gank That's not english, I can't understand, i'll assume it was nothing bad > xShuki: bot, can u take care about dragon please? > xShuki: u did when kassa attacked > xShuki: and u havent warded drake as i said > xShuki: so not my prob Flaming > xShuki: shaco is in our botlane jungle always and u haven't warded it yet Flaming > xShuki: i asked u many times Blaming > xShuki: i see who's flamer sona :) > xShuki: yy :) > xShuki: ty > xShuki: I posted thread about u on boards :) Threatening of defamation > > Post-Game > xShuki: sona and sivir, i really hope u will get punished for negative behavior Negativity > xShuki: see ya :) > xShuki: yy :) > xShuki: ur mum works for riot, right? > xShuki: you could change ur behaviour, as i see you have many loses in ur match history > xShuki: That's because u are negative > xShuki: :) > xShuki: lear to play instead of flaming kid, bye.
Report-calling Report-calling is thing when you ask others to report someone, have I asked anyone to report anyone? Flaming Flaming is thing when you are cursing someone in chat. I asked my support to stop taking farm since he taken every single minion with his abilities. Flaming Flaming is thing when you are cursing someone in chat. I told my team that I won't waste my time with support who takes my minions. Later they were flaming me because I am low, but how wouldn't I be while support taken my gold for no reason? Flaming xShuki: I asked him kindly but he refuses Flaming is thing when you are cursing someone in chat. Where you see flaming in this sentence, could you explain me? You report-called earlier in the game, and you know it's punishable. Quite ironic right? As I already said, report-calling is asking someone to report someone else, I haven't did it in any single way. xShuki: bot, can u take care about dragon please? xShuki: u did when kassa attacked xShuki: and u havent warded drake as i said xShuki: so not my prob Flaming I literally asked botlane to ward dragon multiple times, few moments after I asked them last time midlaner ganked them, They were raging at me because midlaner ganked them and I haven't help. What's bad there? Blaming Blaming is thing when you blame other people for something they did. They were flaming me because I haven't followed midlaner on botlane, but I wanted to farm midlane. They hadn't wards and they flamed me because of a gank while I pinged multiple times that midlaner was not on lane. I told them that I asked them to ward, but they won't, so don't blame me for your own mistakes buddy. Negativity Negativity is a thing where you are trying to lose game by all meanings. I tried to win game, but premade Sivir and Sona were following me whole damn game. I tried to farm my jungle, but they were taking all my camps. I tried to farm minions on lanes, but they were following me and taking every single minion. I tried to play, but they were continuosly griefing my game. I am still banned for saying that I hope they will get punished, but they are playing free every game after my report. I also reported them on riot's support, but there is no punishment for their trolling and griefing, you know?
Trias000 (EUNE)
: When you're on a horse so high you can get hit by a plane
Naming and shaming is forbidden, now let's close thread as my one.
: >xShuki: Asking for reports is banable akali Punishable. And only if it leads to further toxicity. Also threatening with reports falls in the same category. >xShuki: bot no summs xShuki: both reported for griefing So you pretty much earned your punishment. You probably had prior chat restrictions and a 14 day ban. That is why something as small as this will escalate you to a perma.
> [{quoted}](name=ImainLilSatan,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGHYzo0f,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-30T01:59:27.236+0000) > > Punishable. > And only if it leads to further toxicity. > Also threatening with reports falls in the same category. > xShuki: both reported for griefing > > So you pretty much earned your punishment. > You probably had prior chat restrictions and a 14 day ban. > That is why something as small as this will escalate you to a perma. *** "bot no summs" was in team chat so I warned my team that their botlane has no summoner spells *** "both reported for griefing" was in all chat, I said that to enemies since they trollpicked botlane, that's statement that i let to know them, where is toxicity in this sentence could u explain me?
Adam Blaze (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=xShuki,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGHYzo0f,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-29T21:50:43.737+0000) > > xShuki: ur mum works for riot, right? > xShuki: you could change ur behaviour, as i see you have many loses in ur match history > xShuki: That's because u are negative > xShuki: :) > xShuki: lear to play instead of flaming kid, bye. guess that his mum really works for rito, also, there must be a mistake. else you filtered your chat log (by that i mean you deleted the rows in which you cussed the shit out of everyone) else you've got reported continuously and the game decided to punish you based on other players' amount of reports
> [{quoted}](name=Adam Blaze,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cGHYzo0f,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-29T23:48:19.706+0000) > > guess that his mum really works for rito, also, there must be a mistake. else you filtered your chat log (by that i mean you deleted the rows in which you cussed the shit out of everyone) else you've got reported continuously and the game decided to punish you based on other players' amount of reports I wasn't filtered anything, I was just answered on their messages
Wen294 (EUW)
: Why does the name detection system still suck?
Today I told some players to change their behavior because they are so negative and rito put permaban on my acc.
: Yes, obviously? I doubt that you need to be smart to get that but thanks anyway
> [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=f16b1woe,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2018-12-29T10:44:08.888+0000) > > Yes, obviously? I doubt that you need to be smart to get that but thanks anyway Teach me please, I'm dumb for that.
Rioter Comments
: you received a warning for beaking the rules, isn't that already answering your question?
> [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=f16b1woe,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-27T19:12:04.570+0000) > > you received a warning for beaking the rules, isn't that already answering your question? Oh, rlly smartboy?
Rioter Comments
: Do I really have to continue?
just move in jungle and auto attack camps so u don't get leaver buster
: Player Behaviour
They don't care about griefers and trollers, they are only banning players for flaming.
: 1) it IS just a game 2) you can play a game and still really try to win 3) Normals are places where players might try different builds, champs, roles etc. They are supposed to be less serious than ranked 4) some of us are just bad at this game. Why should we be excluded from playing PvP?
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Wasabi65,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6TE4TEB2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-18T21:23:33.341+0000) > > 1) it IS just a game > 2) you can play a game and still really try to win > 3) Normals are places where players might try different builds, champs, roles etc. They are supposed to be less serious than ranked > 4) some of us are just bad at this game. Why should we be excluded from playing PvP? There are players that play differently, so they will try new builds in ranked. Maybe that is their playstyle that they try new stuff in ranked and try to do their best. I do not respect that kind of players, but you can't say that only normal is gamemode where u can try new stuff. There are a lot of bot players in ARAM that are executing themselves and typing random stuff in chat to be "positive" such as, we can do it, nice game, let's try to win bla bla, but they are bots, and when u ask them anything they will never answer.
Charley89 (EUNE)
: Just logged in to comment here. I report all players who say "EZ" and like that for "unsportsmanlike conduct" every game, imho its harassing. I hope RIOT recognizes this some time...
> [{quoted}](name=Charley89,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ypxAnlAb,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-12-19T12:45:37.787+0000) > > Just logged in to comment here. > I report all players who say "EZ" and like that for "unsportsmanlike conduct" every game, imho its harassing. > I hope RIOT recognizes this some time... Saying "easy" is not harassing, that is fact that one player says to another one. If RIOT can't ban griefers in trollers, then saying "easy" should be honored.
: Yes, if you head into game that is. As i said this is for when you leave. People simply get away with it because you decide to take the -3lp so not everyone ends up with a full loss
csgo vote for ban system is still better than this auto-ban which is broken
: falsely permabanned
They are banning flamers, but they dont care about toxic griefers that ruin this game. Look at [THIS](https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/EKtnPEzl-riot-you-must-do-something-about-that)
PH45 (EUNE)
: I highly doubt you are facing a ton of scripters in Silver. Scripters are banned in waves, to not make the developer of the script immediately realize that his script is detected, thus leaving him no time to create a work-around to protect his script. And as I've said before inting is harder to detect than toxic chatting. The automated system can check the chat logs for negative behaviour, while it is harder to detect inting. Simple KDA check doesn't work.
> [{quoted}](name=PH45,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AN2TbGu8,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-16T09:25:50.736+0000) > > I highly doubt you are facing a ton of scripters in Silver. > > Scripters are banned in waves, to not make the developer of the script immediately realize that his script is detected, thus leaving him no time to create a work-around to protect his script. > > And as I've said before inting is harder to detect than toxic chatting. The automated system can check the chat logs for negative behaviour, while it is harder to detect inting. Simple KDA check doesn't work. Simple KDA check in recent matches should work.
PH45 (EUNE)
: Agreeing on what Hansiman said. Basically if they get permamuted they will do other toxic actions, and will just waste more peoples time instead of getting removed from the game earlier.
> [{quoted}](name=PH45,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AN2TbGu8,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:10:45.379+0000) > > Agreeing on what Hansiman said. Basically if they get permamuted they will do other toxic actions, and will just waste more peoples time instead of getting removed from the game earlier. What are about scripters? I personally lost too many games versus scripters that are banned later, but my LP gone. Who will give me my LP back? RITO is forcing me to play more, but i dont have time anymore for that game where they care only about toxic chat, but if you go and execute yourself many times, u will not receive any punishment. I just tried it. I made brand new account and were just executing above 30 games. I haven't received any single kind of punishment. Then I made second account, I said to another player 3 characters word that is forbidden and i immediatelly received 14 days ban after game. RITO has to do something about that. That is not fair punishment. If they will not ban griefers like they ban flamers, then they should remove punishments for flaming.
gordza (EUW)
: > That's just a wild claim from your part. Riot would much rather have offending players stop offending, and become sportsmanlike. Permabans are a last resort given to players that have shown no indication that they want to play by the rules. Can you please look at my post about my 14 day ban. The Fiddlesticks who started the game calling me a troll for being 40 seconds late to invade, and then proceeded to int the game by standing at hi s turret flaming our adc is still playing. The Fiddlestick is still playing ranked games right now despite inting a game and flaming, he then reported me and I I have a 14 day ban for questioning why he was behaving like this. If Riot does not have the time or resources to properly and fairly regulate the communities behavior - don't do it at all. Read the below, consider he is still playing and I have a 14 day ban, and tell me your system is not broken. In-Game gordza: ? how am i trolling, im here at camp spawn gordza: so you think its good to leave me low hp on a weak early jungler? gordza: and im the troll? gordza: why every time do people take ap bot and behave like this gordza: ?? gordza: why did you not go in gordza: i pinged gordza: you have full hp gordza: no it wasnt gordza: fiddle im just going to mute you gordza: why are you not going in gordza: look their hp gordza: fiddle just sat at turret? gordza: you want to lose on purpose? jesus whats the matter with you gordza: ww gordza: blue gordza: he is just sat at the turret flaming gordza: i tried ganking twice and he just sits there typing... gordza: just mute him i did when i said gordza: really gordza: you going to steal jungle mobs now? gordza: what the hell is your problem man gordza: why are you intentionally losing the game gordza: that cost me lvl 6 gordza: pleease report fiddle gordza: he just intentionally stole jungle mobs from me gordza: fiddle really why did you take my mobs? gordza: why take my mobs man? gordza: you cost me lvl 6 gordza: now i dont have ult gordza: w wq gordza: when they at our turret gordza: fiddle you inted this game gordza: how can you dare blame annyone else gordza: you lost on purpose gordza: thresh u didnt see this guy gordza: he took mobs from me on purpose so i didnt get lvl 6 just now gordza: and is just sat at turrrret b4 flaming, i pinged loads b4 gank and he sat at turret gordza: he is pure toxic gordza: sorry syndra gordza: i tried gordza: he doesnt want to win gordza: im not lying gordza: and everyone can report me, i did nothing wrong so im not scared gordza: everyone report me and fiddle gordza: np gordza: report me and fiddle ty gordza: ill get a review and no punishment gordza: why will anyone else get a ban gordza: gg Post-Game gordza: fiddle reported gordza: KAI gordza: you shouldnt type what you did in chat gordza: now he will report you gordza: and you will get a ban like him gordza: he is going to report anyone, he is toxic, you need to be careful what you type even if he was trolling gordza: enjoy your ban fiddle gordza: what for gordza: i did nothing gordza: you can report me gordza: it will just devalue the worth of your future reports gordza: i said no expletives gordza: no caps gordza: nothing gordza: report me gordza: im fine. gordza: thanks for ruining my game gordza: for no reason gordza: then report me gordza: no problem gordza: im not KAI gordza: i think you are confused gordza: with who flamed gordza: hey LB gordza: please report him gordza: you can report me too its fine i didnt flame or do anything etc gordza: but it will decrease the chance of you running into him again
> [{quoted}](name=gordza,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AN2TbGu8,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-12-14T17:49:29.816+0000) > > Can you please look at my post about my 14 day ban. The Fiddlesticks who started the game calling me a troll for being 40 seconds late to invade, and then proceeded to int the game by standing at hi s turret flaming our adc is still playing. The Fiddlestick is still playing ranked games right now despite inting a game and flaming, he then reported me and I I have a 14 day ban for questioning why he was behaving like this. If Riot does not have the time or resources to properly and fairly regulate the communities behavior - don't do it at all. Read the below, consider he is still playing and I have a 14 day ban, and tell me your system is not broken. > > In-Game > > gordza: ? how am i trolling, im here at camp spawn > > gordza: so you think its good to leave me low hp on a weak early jungler? > > gordza: and im the troll? > > gordza: why every time do people take ap bot and behave like this > > gordza: ?? > > gordza: why did you not go in > > gordza: i pinged > > gordza: you have full hp > > gordza: no it wasnt > > gordza: fiddle im just going to mute you > > gordza: why are you not going in > > gordza: look their hp > > gordza: fiddle just sat at turret? > > gordza: you want to lose on purpose? jesus whats the matter with you > > gordza: ww > > gordza: blue > > gordza: he is just sat at the turret flaming > > gordza: i tried ganking twice and he just sits there typing... > > gordza: just mute him i did when i said > > gordza: really > > gordza: you going to steal jungle mobs now? > > gordza: what the hell is your problem man > > gordza: why are you intentionally losing the game > > gordza: that cost me lvl 6 > > gordza: pleease report fiddle > > gordza: he just intentionally stole jungle mobs from me > > gordza: fiddle really why did you take my mobs? > > gordza: why take my mobs man? > > gordza: you cost me lvl 6 > > gordza: now i dont have ult > > gordza: w wq > > gordza: when they at our turret > > gordza: fiddle you inted this game > > gordza: how can you dare blame annyone else > > gordza: you lost on purpose > > gordza: thresh u didnt see this guy > > gordza: he took mobs from me on purpose so i didnt get lvl 6 just now > > gordza: and is just sat at turrrret b4 flaming, i pinged loads b4 gank and he sat at turret > > gordza: he is pure toxic > > gordza: sorry syndra > > gordza: i tried > > gordza: he doesnt want to win > > gordza: im not lying > > gordza: and everyone can report me, i did nothing wrong so im not scared > > gordza: everyone report me and fiddle > > gordza: np > > gordza: report me and fiddle ty > > gordza: ill get a review and no punishment > > gordza: why will anyone else get a ban > > gordza: gg > > Post-Game > > gordza: fiddle reported > > gordza: KAI > > gordza: you shouldnt type what you did in chat > > gordza: now he will report you > > gordza: and you will get a ban like him > > gordza: he is going to report anyone, he is toxic, you need to be careful what you type even if he was trolling > > gordza: enjoy your ban fiddle > > gordza: what for > > gordza: i did nothing > > gordza: you can report me > > gordza: it will just devalue the worth of your future reports > > gordza: i said no expletives > > gordza: no caps > > gordza: nothing > > gordza: report me > > gordza: im fine. > > gordza: thanks for ruining my game > > gordza: for no reason > > gordza: then report me > > gordza: no problem > > gordza: im not KAI > > gordza: i think you are confused > > gordza: with who flamed > > gordza: hey LB > > gordza: please report him > > gordza: you can report me too its fine i didnt flame or do anything etc > > gordza: but it will decrease the chance of you running into him again Seems like nobody cares for anything here. That smart guy is just trying to defend himself and riot, but when you ask him for something he is trying to esacavte question, so just leave boards and wait your 14 days, there is no point asking anything in that because its rip community full of riot family and hustlers
: > [{quoted}](name=RazoR0970,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b4dFMPGR,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T09:43:14.484+0000) > > Seems like I care? > {{champion:48}} I'll say yes. I have never linked one of my threads elsewhere to try and make people read it, and i have never wrote that "we all have the same problem" when it0s just me and my thread after all. So yes, i think you care enough.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b4dFMPGR,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T09:49:24.806+0000) > > I'll say yes. I have never linked one of my threads elsewhere to try and make people read it, and i have never wrote that "we all have the same problem" when it0s just me and my thread after all. So yes, i think you care enough. Naah, it seems like u are egoist and u only care about other people's problems.
: > [{quoted}](name=RazoR0970,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b4dFMPGR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-14T09:31:10.349+0000) > > So upvote this thread, since we all have same problem https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/AN2TbGu8-lets-make-fair-punishments?comment=000200000001 You'll be happy to know that i have brought you downvotes from -6 to -7. Thank you for allow me to do that by posting the link. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b4dFMPGR,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T09:41:39.968+0000) > > You'll be happy to know that i have brought you downvotes from -6 to -7. Thank you for allow me to do that by posting the link. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} Seems like I care? {{champion:48}}
nobstered (EUNE)
: Boting in games vs AI/bots
> [{quoted}](name=nobstered,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=E82XYVkQ,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-11T16:47:10.057+0000) > > Hi riot > > Why are there so many bots(players using 3rd party progam) playing in players vs AI? > > This is the 3rd time im levling up. Last time probly a year + ago. > Very often i get team mates who are either afk half the game, leaching. Or boting. Some are very obvious. > I get that it is a mod for new players. But its very easy to spot the different most times. > > Some may have gotten false reports, but if i see someone acting like a bot playing with mouseclicker or whatever. > Same movements all the time. Stopping in a bush for 3min and then move to gromp and wait about 2min for it to auto attack it and die. > > It seems like a problem you can never fix. > > I don't mind playing with new players and help them out. But having 3 afk's in a game makes it even more boring. > > Another point is. > I do not get why you are so kind to players. There is a reason why the community is so toxic. It's because you let them. So upvote this thread, since we all have same problem https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/AN2TbGu8-lets-make-fair-punishments?comment=000200000001 They are not getting banned for it, accounts on black market are from 4 to 6 bucks, but they resell them from 15$+ .
gordza (EUW)
: 14 day ban for this
So upvote this thread, since we all have same problem https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/AN2TbGu8-lets-make-fair-punishments?comment=000200000001
: so, i want a guy banned...
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b4dFMPGR,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-14T08:57:34.740+0000) > > yesterday i had a bad game with a garen jungle that instead of jungling went on lanes stealing farm and inting > ended the game like 1/11/0 (the kill generously served on a silver plate by me, after my death) with 21 cs after 20/30 min game > > that pissed me off majorly because the game before that i had 2 afkers > and the game before that another afker > so i manage to lose badly all my games, didn't get the daily rewards etc etc, the usual shit we all know about > > i report the garen, and out of curiosity i went to see his op.gg, well he had a 13% winrate or such in ranked and it showned like 11 losing match and 1 win (in aram), every match he feeded hard > > so in my book he is an obvious troll, or someone who just started playing the game and for misterious reasons is playing at my same mmr > > how do i get this player inspected by riot? > > EDIT. i'm viewing his match history on this board, it appears he has some good games too, so it's not a newbie but just a troll. So upvote this thread, since we all have same problem https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/AN2TbGu8-lets-make-fair-punishments?comment=000200000001
Kyle001 (EUW)
: > Pointing fingers and blaming others for your actions is not really an excuse. You're responsible for how you behave. If others break the rules, they'll risk the same penalty you do. Standard line, its always blaming others instead of your own actions. What about RIOT? All they do is pointing fingers, and NOT taking responsibility. Stripping people of all rewards and banning them out for having a bad game. (pointing fingers) 1. Then banning out people rather then having honest conversations. (Not taking responsibility) > If RIOT truly wants offending players to stop offending, then don't punish them for 1 bad game. I love your words but RIOT's actions severely disagree with you. Why don't you comment on this? I actually highlighted it for you. You know for most people this is the issue. I agree that toxic people should be punished somehow, but the core of this topc, the title: "Let's make fair punishments", and that's what's missing here. **By not giving what was promised for honorable behavior due to 1 bad game, RIOT is actively creating toxic players.** I can guarantee you majority of the people who lost rewards this season will be trolling next season and I'll guarantee you they won't get banned for it. They'll do it in a way the automated system won't pick up on it.
I just edited first post to add it.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > Why do you play this game at all, for border, for victorious. For the fun of it. For the community. To play with my friends. Because I like the game. --- > If I don't get that, why would I bother being positive for the next season. That's on you. And if you keep that attitude, you probably won't get anything next season, or you'll end up banned losing access to everything. Your choice. --- > Do you really think people who get permabanned are toxic every game. No, but they're toxic enough to warrant removing them from the game. Having one friendly game in a mix of a bunch of toxic ones doesn't excuse you. --- > You rather wish them to leave so you wouldn't have to deal with the fact that most of them are being flamed and they ended up being toxic by players that get away clean. Pointing fingers and blaming others for your actions is not really an excuse. You're responsible for how you behave. If others break the rules, they'll risk the same penalty you do. --- > People that have trouble keeping their emotions in check. That's something they'll have to work on, and not something Riot can consider in that regard. They have to treat everyone equally, and not forgive some players because they can't control their emotions, while others can. That would be unfair. --- > Yes they should be civil, but do you think by kicking out the people who get trolled and keeping the trolls you'll be able to guard the peace? They kick out the trolls as well. There's plenty of people complaining about getting banned for intentionally feeding, for instance.
But, look at csgo, it's also free game and while it was paid it had more players then lol. You can go in csgo, you can say literally whatever you want to anybody, you can type whatever you want in chat, from dot to the most bad words on planet, they report you, and what happens? Nothing. Nothing happens because steam does not care about toxicity. Who can control himself toxic player cant do anything. Who can't then he can mute toxic player. I have above 4k hours in csgo, we were complaining about everything and i cant even remember what i told to others and what they told to me, but nobody god banned for that. If someone want to play the game, he will play no matters what people tell them. It's like, when one player tell to another one to kill himself, is there even one case that actually happened, no matter in which game? It's just like yo-mama jokes where players tried to hurt each others by words, but who more cares about that? I'm not saying that you should remove all punishments, but that's pointless to ban flamers and let griefers play. Atleast you can make kick option, so if we have griefer in game we can kick him and nobody will flame. You can remove 2 flys with one shot on that way, but the point is that RIOT GAMES won't make that because they care only about money. If they ban your account, you have to make new one and buy skins and other stuff. It's sad but it's true. They are only improving banning system, but they are not improving "better prevent than healing" system. It's actually pointless to submit any new idea to RIOT since they always say "we tried it, we don't need it" etc. They care only about money and not about player's feedback. As I already read, Hanisman, you said that players are coming here to complain about their bans etc; but have you ever answered something like "okay, we will try to improve our system, we will try something new, we will try to remove griefers before flamers started flaming them". No you havent, you are always defending yourself and RIOT GAMES in your posts, but you never tried to help us to improve that. Do you know why flamers exist? Because of int-feeders/afkers that are ruining this game. If players dont int and go afk nobody would flame them, so improve your griefer-banning system instead of banning flamers, it's pointless. I am not going to spend even one more penny on this game, just because you are not trying to improve it. You are just taking your money and making new tournaments, but nobody cares for normal players that only want better game. Players are not leaving because of toxic community, players are leaving because they want someting better, and you are not giving them what they want. I personally would never leave game if somebody flamed me or so, but I am thinking to leave it immediatelly every single time when I got griefer in team. You said mute them, try to help them or so, but you can't help them if they won't accept our help, right? It's like, someboy accidentaly banned your champiom because he haven't seen that you pre-picked it, so you decided to int-feed. What can I help him there? He won't calm down, he just decided to troll our game and promised us that we are going to lose. After he got multiple reports by us and by enemies, he was not banned. We tried our best, but he was just running mid and executing himself. -> What happens next: With troller and his premade in ranked you have few options: 1. Go afk - you will be reported and put in low priority q 2. Report them - you will lose game anyways and nobody cares about your report (he is playing since that without any punishment) 3. Ask enemies to report him - you will be suspended for flaming and riot will tell you that you cant draw target to your teammates back 4. Do nothing - Riot will suspend you because you haven't tried to help morbids like that 5. Keep calm and play - You just can't. So, what the conclusion is? Everybody who say anything to griefer will be suspended, but griefers can keep playing and grief more games. BAN griefers, you will MAKE COMMUNITY BETTER AND NOBODY WILL FLAME
: > [{quoted}](name=RazoR0970,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AN2TbGu8,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-13T14:14:32.181+0000) > > Hey guys, I don't understand one thing. Why are players that griefing in game and players that are flaming others going to be punished in the same way? Because both are bad. > I mean, if someone rage a lot, if someone is toxic etc, why would you ban his account if he play good. Because being good at the game doesn't mean that people will be ok with you displaying an awful teamwork dynamic in the chat. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, it doesn't matter if it came from an amateur or a professional. > I think that better way is to only disable his chat for a while. Look that Riot already tried that back in 2014, and all it did was make the worst of the worst find other ways to misbehave, such as intentional feeding and ping spamming. It didn't give an incentive to cut down on toxicity, it simply gave an incentive to move it. > Player type 1: Trolling, feeding, being negative, trying to surrender every game, trying to grief other's people games, cheating -> They are almost never banned from the game, but when they are banned they can't play > > Player type 2: Flaming others but supporting team very nice and doing everything to win the game -> Always banned, but when they are banned they can't play. > > So, same punishment in both cases is not okay. I think that you could ban player type 1 from game, but player type 2 could get another punishment type, like disabled chat for week, disabled chat for month, for half a year or so, he can use pings, but he cant type anything. > > What are your opinions? My opinion is that this is a complete non-issue. Yes, it's true that a flaming player would receive those kind of punishments, but you forget that they can still reach the stage of a ban really quickly if they either repeat their bad behaviour, or resort to zero-tolerance phrases such as hate speech. And this is leaving aside the fact that player type 1 is only really punishable when the intent is clear, which unless the player was stupid enough to announce their intentions in the chat and thus cause some overlap with type 2, is effectively impossible without being able to literally read someone's mind. This isn't a case of the punishments being balanced wrongly, this is a case of an easier thing to conclusively punish being punished more often.
Summoner's code, dot 8. It says that we shouldn't leave noobs behind. If you try to show players their mistakes, such as telling im that their creep score is really bad and that they must do it better, or that they must play under tower to not get score such as 1/13, you will get punished because you literally "flamed them". So one more question for RIOT, why do we have that in summoners code if you will punish us after we show players their mistakes?
: Yes. can YOU create a system that can detect Inting? like a system that's a 100% working? i don't think so. stop complaining about bans, no one gets banned for no reason.
You didn't get me. How they ban griefers right now? Just continue doing like that, but separate bans for griefing and for being toxic in chat.
PH45 (EUNE)
: I've stated this in previous threads but I'll join here. The system that does bans is most of the time automated. The automated system has easier time picking up flaming players since it can just check chat logs. Finding an intentionally feeding/griefing player is much more harder. Simple KDA check doesn't work since people can have bad games, especially new players. That is why griefers tend to get away with ruining games for longer but eventually they get punished. > I mean, if someone rage a lot, if someone is toxic etc, why would you ban his account if he play good. Playing good doesn't mean he is allowed to break the rules. Everyone plays with the same rules, good and bad players get banned for bad behavior. > like disabled chat for week, disabled chat for month, for half a year or so, he can use pings, but he cant type anything. This only would work for some. Some toxic people would still go their way out to channel their toxicity in other acts, such as soft-inting and griefing, so it doesn't work.
If you are toxic, you will first get 10 games chat restrict, then 25 games chat restrict, then 14 days ban. If you grief, you will first go for 14 days ban, right? Why chat punishment must be same as in-game behaviour punishment. RIOT can simple just block chat for toxic player and let them play. If they grief after chat ban then they will get ban for griefing as regular, but don't mess chat behaviour and in-game (gameplay) behaviour.
: What type of new racism is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP7_ts3j594 that says a lot
: because it's an automated system.
Automaded system is banning differently for griefing and for toxic.
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