LA Losty (EUW)
: Lol, so if she stays with her support she should be unkillable? Dude what are you talking about lol. If you dont deal with her quickly then she can destroy your whole team in a couple of seconds. That is just not ok.
> she can destroy your whole team in a couple of seconds. IF you feed her she is a snowball ADC
LA Losty (EUW)
: I hate Jinx atm. They even buffed her lategame not too long ago...She can destroy a whole teamfight all by herself and she can be hard to deal with if you dont have an assasin who can jump in and kill her. But then again, she probaly has a support who can protect her...
Ive never seen adc who stays 100% ALWAYS with his supp if you play so safe like that then it is only natural not to get killed
Fújin (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=0GameDos0,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZVziBIa8,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-29T01:10:26.051+0000) > > there is a reason a champ is "meta" > > this means that champ is either easy to play (annie) or offers a very high reward for mastering (yasuo zed) Too bad that reward is shit. It's just not worth learning to play Zed, Yasuo or any other hard champion when the easy ones require no skill to master and play and can totally destroy them.
a good zed can screw any annie player
TF210 (EUW)
: Best ADC Season 5 ?
karthus the answer is always karthus
Sdars (EUW)
: The biggest problem is that, while 0.25 seconds is quite possible to react to, though still a bit hard, if you have a normal ping, like 75, your window of reaction is actually 0.1, as it is 0.25-2x0.75=0.1. And now 0.1 is indeed pretty much impossible. So either your ping is low, or you can't even dream of dodging Annie's ult, except by predicting it, or if she's slow with her Flash+R. I think 0.35 or 0.4 seconds would be a good number.
but flash has a 300 sec CD abuse that
Fújin (EUNE)
: I got diamond by playing only Yasuo, Yi and Zed on every role, and I played them because I like them. Riot can nerf the numbers as much as they want, as long as the mechanics don't get changed, I'll keep playing my champions without giving a damn fuck about the meta. I've beaten the meta sheep's asses so many times climbing my way. Wanna know why? Because I played hundreds of games with those champions and I play them better than any meta sheep. I fucked every meta sheep that picked their champion just to counter me, only because I knew my champion better. Skill mathers more than the champions you pick. We could let bots play if the champions was all that mathered.
there is a reason a champ is "meta" this means that champ is either easy to play (annie) or offers a very high reward for mastering (yasuo zed)
Mheep (EUW)
: I'm a main udyr aswell, Try to level tiger first, turtle second, bear third, and then tiger and then turtle and then bear, when they are all level 5 then upgrade Phoenix, Also you have to know that you can switch stances, like if you do q and then w you have attack speed for 3 seconds and lifesteal for 5 seconds so that is a nice combo to use, q w q w q w in a fight/camp clear
for jungle ,pheonix is way better better wave clear and aoe playing tiger udyr is like playing shaco
: lol but at least he has an absolute shit laning phase. It's far easier to shut him down
shit laning phase wtf you smokin bro, my lvl 3 all in pretty much chunks my enemy for half his hp bar get lvl 6 and do your combo and BOOM you get kill heck his laning phhase is probably one of the best amongst assassins do you want to know what a shity laning phase is ? go play kata or akali
Fler (EUNE)
: I am trash cause I dont tryhard, go get help friend, u take this game a way to serious
game=must have fun losing= keep dying and get less ip = cant buy champs and runes = not fun win = more fun "I am not tryharding" is the most pathetic excuse given by players who got their ass handed to them by a good low elo player
Fújin (EUNE)
: And once those champions get nerfed you'll start "maining" other OP champions? Most retarded way to get elo.
your statement is the most retarded thing playing strong champs to get elo IS by far the best strategy to gain elo if you dont agree let me see you hit chalengour while playing galio and kassadin only
raggnir (EUW)
: excuse me? my eyes almost bled from the first line you wrote so i stopped there and then. do you have no shame? do you say english sucks because you are illiterate? if you are bad with kha zix, you are most likely horribly bad with most other junglers. one of these days, we'll see you coming to complain about the lack of sustain when playing warwick jungle
gg udyr has bad wave clear
Shozis (EUNE)
: Irelia Skill Order
golden rule e if the enemy has a good early game ( ex renekton and darius) w if you are on equal grounds or if the enemy player isnt skilled
: I'm not talking about only the shield, I'm talking about his finished Cinderhulk item, or RoA, which will provide him massive tankyness. Now, not only he's tanky, but since he deals damage based on his bonus health, once you get that point where you're massively tanky, you can also make carry's life miserable, kinda like the prenerf Sejuani and Gragas. I really hope they adjust the values on PBE and they won't make a mistake like they did when they released Ekko in his old form, or when they buffed Ryze, because I don't want another terror 3 weeks (average patch circle) until they fix their issues.
dude by the time he finished 2 BIG items like roa and cinderhulk ,I doubt that you will still be in lanning phase remember that if he is a support he has to buy sightstone 1st and he doesnt get kills thus less gold
: Not too many people ban/play Ryze. There are champs that destroy him early game. Nidalee is just annoying, 1 spear and jump and youre dead xD
unless you are a mord with his shield up take spear and if she jumps ,just e q r her for a free pet
: I was thinking of trying him out. I have only 1 mid lane champ and have been looking for more. But since I suck at midlane I need a retard friendly champ. Is Morde easy to play?
who is your only mid champ? go in lane max e>q>w make sure to zone the enemy from cs by e'ing him everytime he comes for cs if he gets too close then you try to q him use your w for a nice speed boost or if someone wants to go ham on you DONT BUILD SHEEN NEVER you shouldnt be close enough to aa the enemy here is a sample build {{item:3152}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3157}}
jana (EUW)
: so all you want to say is that ludens got nerfed? yes you are right. let me quote something for you: > ludens - nerf the gold efficience was: 120 x 21.75 + 7 x 13 = 2610 + 91 = 2701 and now: 100 x 21.75 + 10 x 13 = 2175 + 130 = 2305. but the gold cost lowered by 100: so you have to decide if the passive (100(+0,1*ap)) is worth 700 gold( from 399). btw. 700 gold is worth ~32 ap. and every ap champion atm build ludens first or within the first items. this means every single ap champion suffers from it if you think that way. also what stopps you from just NOT buying luddens if as you mentioned it costs you power? we will see if its worth a first buy anymore.
>also what stopps you from just NOT buying luddens if as you mentioned it costs you power? the passive synergy with kata's q is way too much to pass
Mhyrion (EUW)
: I think it's the_ association_ people have with supports like Lux. I too am a bit sceptical if our team has such a support because many times they build like a mage and not like a support, sometimes not even buying a sightstone. I guess this also depends on your elo. But if you have seen a few Lux supports going full AP, getting all the kills, not bothering to provide utility and vision, your expectations of the next Lux support you encounter will be low and possibly wrong. But if you're really good with her, just show them haters wrong. A good Lux support must be killing to play against with that heavy poke and range she provides.
>they build like a mage and not like a support, sometimes not even buying a sightstone. ^this is the reason I have trust issues
Sub HeroCro (EUNE)
: Base turrets
tl;dr where ?
jana (EUW)
: the majority of items went stronger: roa - buff void - buff deathcap - buff archngle stuff - buff Blasting Wand - buff liandry's - buff nashoas tooth - buff athenes/morelllows - kind of a buff Rylai's Crystal Scepter - buff i would say. will of the acient - ? - need to test €!! - seems like its a buff -> the damage calculation is now without your ressisstances this means you do heal alot more agains anything with some magic resists however you heal a bit less agains targets with no magic resist. needlessly - nerf zonyas - nerf ( ludens - nerf Haunting Guise - nerf (well 20 gold ^^) € changed will of the acient context € added haunting guise to nerfs
taking kata as an example here is the most used build {{item:3285}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3116}} and boots BUT most games end with you having only these items {{item:3285}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} + boots you get luden>deathcap>void this means untill you buy void staff,you are quite weaker than before and even after buying it you still arent as strong as before
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: This all is true and apply for Soraka support as well and yet you play her. Its more about preferences, yes other supports have more in their kit so you take Soraka basically only because you want to play Soraka. As for sololane, I tried Nami and Janna on sololane and neither worked, Lulu and Soraka works though. Sona could work too but Im not god with her and Karma works as she is better on sololane than support, but almost nobody plays her shes not popular. Also you forget on few things: 4. Slow (if you hit Q into center zone), build Frozen Gauntlet and you get permaslow. 5. Self-suistain (W passive) 6. A global heal that can help win other lanes from top while you keep enemy toplaner busy.
>5. Self-suistain (W passive) which requires you to hit a very hard skillshot PLUS,the heal isnt that good early >6. A global heal that can help win other lanes from top while you keep enemy toplaner busy. a global heal is still a heal PLUS again it is really meh early
Melonizer (EUW)
: Isn't that good then when the game ends fast?
but with the nerfs,3 items builds is now way weaker you need to get your 6 items to notice the buff
: I would say needless was neutral, it's less ap but it's a lot cheaper now so you can get that power spike quicker.
it is not a powerspike if you get less AP -.-
Melonizer (EUW)
: They're alot better now imo. It's also not a nerf, it's just a change, you'll still have the same amount of AP when full-build.
yeah which you rarely get as an assassin main ,I rarely get to reach full build max is usually 3/4 items
Rioter Comments
: Why is Irelia's current state allowed?
>- Change the W heal to passive lifesteal (earlygame nerf, lategame buff sorta) you dumb or what? you want to make her even stronger late game? her early game is already pretty weak play any champion with a good early game like {{champion:122}} and {{champion:58}} and watch as irelia stands there hopeless and zoned from cs
TestosZ (EUNE)
: Well, Teemo still exists but Rito won't give graves a cigar :( *rito plz*
gragas esq. can have a cigar but graves cant ?
: after he will be tunned a bit..he will be useless..next bard
1)bard is in in no way near useless 2)ekko was tuned a bit, is he useless now ?
Yianis (EUW)
: A smart darius player will not just push without wards and let you free farm. He will freeze and stand in the middle of your wave so if you try to cs you will have an axe-ident (heh), but his tower diving is almost as strong as riven, even without mobility.
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=0GameDos0,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oN9ittm9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-22T02:51:00.276+0000) > > I main her supp > never really tried her top Too bad you are EUW. But if you main Soraka you should see her potential on sololane! Try it really, here is my setup: hybrid pen runes, -5% cooldoowns, scaling MR (+9 at 18 only, so Im trying to avoid laning vs AP champions), scaling armor (+27 at 18, you can pick flats if you prefer them but I never had problems with scalings), 3 AP quints, Masteries: 23/0/7, basically 21 for ap with spell and blade weaving, 3fleet of foot 3 summoners insight +25 mana. Not alchemist because Im usually trying to get flask, either as first item or later when enemy laner starts winning trades. Vs melee AD champ you can harass start spellthief (dont upgrade, sell midgame), health pot, 25 mana pots. If you wanna play it safer then flask, 1xhp,2xmana. You start with 3autos, then you try to farm and harass enemy laner at the same time via Q. You cast it in front of minion he is about cs, if he doesnt backoff he take critical which generates huge ammount of damage. If you hit it and slow him immediately put auto on him, as you got spell weaving on you and possibly spellthief passive too sometimes, huge harass. First item Sheen if possible so the Q+auto gets even stronger combo. Upgrade to Frozen Gauntlet, thats first powerspike, second powerspike are Ionians, with this Im usually able to win lane vs any tank, even some fighers like Trynda. Next item either Zhonya (if they have Zed or just single or no AP), Abyssal (if their AP mid is fed), or Ludens (if you are doing very well). If you don't have kills and you have many aa champions then Ardent Crescend for huge buff in teamfight after you ult.
>But if you main Soraka you should see her potential on sololane! actually no the only thing I can see is that she is barely able to support let's see what she offers: 1. heal 2. poke 3. silence-root let's see what sona offers: 1. stronger poke 2. speedups 3. AOE stun 4. weaaker heal ,but it isnt that bad let's see what janna offers: 1. knock ups 2. slows 3. AD boost 4. shield AOE heal AND very good disengaging let's see what nami offers: 1. AOE stun 2. nice heal AND also poke 3. AD boost 4. speed ups 5. HUGE AOE knock up let's see what lulu offers: 1. very nice poke 2. slow downs 3. a cc that disables enemy from attacking or using abilities 4. shield 5. speed ups 6. knockups and hp see where I am going there? soraka is a healer,but the way riot reworked her they made her heals pretty much the only good thing about her and this is why she isnt played much at high elos
Melonizer (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lleajy,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=c4YzyIUN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-06-22T21:15:50.701+0000) > > No. No.
Buttcramp (EUNE)
: {{champion:55}} 's E. It's like a free flash every 8 seconds.
you mean e ? but all assassins have some kind of gap closer and her e has nearly the same CD as zed's shadow
: I can't play Garen... I keep running out of mana on him. :(
Savage Devi (EUNE)
: We don't have enough info on this to determine if Ekko the champion is too strong or Ekko the player is just good, or if the enemies were just terrible... Tanky bruisers doing the most damage isn't anything new, you see lots of Shyvanas and Wukongs doing the same.
{{champion:122}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:98}} also
Róót (EUW)
: lux
1)because she isnt a supp 2)lux offers way more things than soraka
Bombardox (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SKT Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=pQNLeUBN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-23T00:06:26.400+0000) > > well after all draven is an adc and u got renekton and a fed katarina thats a pretty dead adc . any way > > > to come back from a losing game u just try to farm up and avoid fighting and wait for a mistake or u play the wards game > > ward every where just ask your team to ward every thing and catch them around thats how i carry with supports play the wards game .. always works that is the proble they didnt want to avoid fighting
here is the golden rule: **_when behind build defensive when ahead build offensive _** always put this in mind other advice when you get fed: splitpush the most un pushed lane (enemies tend to go to pushed lanes to prevent them from getting too close ,thus leaving the unpushed lanes free)
: I also have much trouble vs him. He probably has the best early in the game. From what I've learned you have to make the lane boring for him so that he starts roaming. Then when he's not present farm like crazy and get as much as last hits you can. If your jungler and mid are fed team up vs him, kill him and get the tower. Most Dariuses are gonna rush Hydra and build tank after that. So until he finishesh his hydra he's gonna be squishy, you can use that to your advantage.
>He probably has the best early in the game better than {{champion:58}} ?
: Still waiting for some counterplay to be added to rengars ultimate
YOU GET A ! SIGN AS BIG AS KARDASHIAN'S ASS ON YOUR HEAD wtf do you want more ??
: S rank
got an s+ once with soraka that game I had 33+ assists
Róót (EUW)
: {{champion:58}} for some reason ..
good early game which counters irelia's shity early game
: > [{quoted}](name=0GameDos0,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=w00kEvpL,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-22T02:51:45.953+0000) > > ok then gtfo ^^ > if you dont like this thread then don't come back again ^^ -period I don't think anyone likes this thread.
well the point isnt for anyone to like it this thread was made to deliver a point but it seems some people are just too dumb to get moreover if you didnt like this thread why did you take time of your day to read it and comment on it FIVE time ?
: > [{quoted}](name=0GameDos0,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=w00kEvpL,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-21T17:52:52.057+0000) > > brain or not > she snowballs WAAAAY harder thaan fiora > > oh?so suddenly kata isnt op? > > oh really?? > the last 3 games I had an aatrox in he could literally 1v3 and get a triple > the first game we actually had to 1v5 him to kill him Look dude, you rant about ranters, its an idiocity itself - period.
ok then gtfo ^^ if you dont like this thread then don't come back again ^^ -period
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: Wanna very fun toplaner? Try Soraka. :) Add me if you wanna see how it works ingame.
I main her supp never really tried her top
: Please for the love of all you hold dear do not main Quinn top.
too late man too late
: > [{quoted}](name=0GameDos0,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=w00kEvpL,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-21T12:40:43.662+0000) > > you mean {{champion:39}} or perhaps you are talking about {{champion:55}} You actually need a brain to carry with Irelia, and Katarina is just a weaker, AP version of Fiora that has less sustained damage, and can't really splitpush. Did I mention she can't deflect auto attacks, dash twice to her enemy or become invulnerable while ulting? > > same with {{champion:266}} > he even gets free life steal and a GA > do you consider him op? > His numbers are bad, he depends highly on matchups, and his passive sucks ass as OP as it may seem - hence why no one plays him after he got gutted. Meanwhile, Tryndamere gets free crits with a filled bar, can cheese dive better than Aatrox and is actually more useful. > or ANY cc champ > IF you know how to play him well If you know any champion well then ofc you can carry, but Riven has cc, mobility, damage, shield - you name it.
>You actually need a brain to carry with Irelia, brain or not she snowballs WAAAAY harder thaan fiora >and Katarina is just a weaker, AP version of Fiora that has less sustained damage, and can't really splitpush. Did I mention she can't deflect auto attacks, dash twice to her enemy or become invulnerable while ulting? oh?so suddenly kata isnt op? >His numbers are bad, he depends highly on matchups, and his passive sucks ass as OP as it may seem - hence why no one plays him after he got gutted. oh really?? the last 3 games I had an aatrox in he could literally 1v3 and get a triple the first game we actually had to 1v5 him to kill him
: irelia is extremly auto attacked focus but indeed they could revert her e and r to season 2 and i would play her ap :) her url did magic damage and e had 100% ap ratio. zed is also very auto attack focused. hecarim could indeed be turned into ap champ since his w and r is ap skills. but ap would not make so much sense with his passive. but his kit feel more ad tank then ap
zed aa based ? wtf man you for real??? hecarim is all about his e and q spam irelia isnt aa based all she needs is 2-3 aa and boom she got a kill(I main her top so I do know her well)
Rioter Comments
Hell M00d (EUW)
: Give me a reason to not dodge any top lane Vayne I get in my team
I just played against a vayne who could 1v3 while dodging all of our skillshots
: NERF RIVEN PLZ
daily downvote
: i actually think making riven an ap champ wold make sense since her play style is so ability based. she will be played the same but with new weaknesses and strength. i would main her if they did as i want :S
{{champion:39}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:238}} are all also ability based so what?
: At least they are doing something usefull , starting a discussion with that theme is not usefull :-)
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