Lester the (EUNE)
: Am I the only one who thinks that Leona is unhealthy for the game?
Her weakness is the fact that she HAS to commit. Whether her engage was a smart decision or not she's in the middle of everything, and nothings going to change that. So you need to learn how to create situations where you can punish her for it.
Father Tios (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=zTKBam4F,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-03-13T22:13:27.699+0000) > > That's.... ridiculous. > > Most countries DON'T speak English as a first language, why on earth should English speakers of all people demand that of others? (Native English speaker - Australian, not biased). > Because it's the Lingua Franca, and it is well-mannered to use a common language when in an environment with others. You can't assume other people to speak Russian; you can assume other people to speak Englando. > Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's immediately negative either. If it bothers you that much, why don't you try to learn another language to get a better grasp of it? > I'm currently learning German myself. You can start to see patterns between languages when you pick them up too. > While learning languages sure is a good thing to do (for self-development), it would be RIDICULOUS to expect others to pamper to you by learning your native language, when there is a language that is commonly used to communicate between cultures. > Sitting in the bubble of "it's not in English so I don't like it" is going to close a lot of doors for you. I think the problem stems from being able to communicate while in company. Take some of the chinese/korean pro players for example; in many of the interviews it was brought up, that they were struggling because of the language barrier; and that for example Huni was learning English partly for this very reason. Now, I am not saying that you should abuse people who don't speak English. I am pointing out inconsistencies in your post, as to why one should use a common language when in an environment with people from multiple different countries/cultures; not doing so is actually quite ignorant. (And my personal experience at least is, that it is more common to have someone lob insults at ME in their native language, than seeing someone flame them for using their native language) I for one am Finnish, and I don't expect ANYONE to speak Finnish when I go somewhere that is, you know, NOT FINLAND. Because FINLAND is not the center of the world, and most people in the world do NOT speak the language. And yes; even in FINLAND, it is not uncommon for me to use ENGLISH, because there actually are people who don't speak the language. IN MY COUNTRY. Can you believe it. Funny, though, that people from %%%%ing AFRICA and everywhere seem to, somehow, be able%%%%use English. I wonder why that is. (Sorry for the sarcastic remark in the end; I could not resist as I dislike the type of argument that you should pamper to someone who isn't willing to cooperate; someone who is not ready to learn a common language to work with others, is hardly someone you should work with.) I actually enjoy speaking with people who aren't from my country, and most of them are very fluent in English (and my circle has people from all over; Brazil, Russia, Germany, Africa, Afganistan, Iran... All of them fluent in English; Should I instead learn to speak all of their languages, instead of all of the different groups speaking a universal language..?)
I'm not asking you to pamper. In fact, if anything you're asking that of others by asking them to speak English. The EU community spans many languages, there a lots of boards for different regions and the such - that's why you don't see so much of it HERE compared to in game. Because it's moved to its respected area. All I'm saying is that it's not fair to demand someone to speak English just because you don't understand it, and automatically assuming that they're talking bad of you because you don't understand it is getting pretty close to xenophobic levels. I didn't tell you to learn another language to "cater" to them either. That was more a personal recommendation to help you get around your issues when people speak other languages around you. 99% of the time it's not about you.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Well, first of all, reading a foreign language that I don't understand is both confusing and makes me feel inferior because I have no idea what you're talking about in the chat, for all we know you could be talking shit about someone on the team. Second of all, if you know people will talk crap about Russians, just use simple English phrases and don't speak Russian. Don't draw attention to yourself if you don't have to, simple as that.
That's.... ridiculous. Most countries DON'T speak English as a first language, why on earth should English speakers of all people demand that of others? (Native English speaker - Australian, not biased). Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's immediately negative either. If it bothers you that much, why don't you try to learn another language to get a better grasp of it? I'm currently learning German myself. You can start to see patterns between languages when you pick them up too. Sitting in the bubble of "it's not in English so I don't like it" is going to close a lot of doors for you.
: I understand where you are coming from but what bothers you or not could vary depending on your emotional state at the time.
And thats 100% going to affect whether I do or don't. I'm not going to lie and say my report finger is less trigger happy when I've had a bad day, for example. Hence why I don't set a yard mark.
: When do YOU report your teammates for flaming?
When it bothers me. That's it. There's no yard mark for that. They either bother me with the toxicity or they don't. And I'll act appropriately from there.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Nono, I'm totally made up.
m3dyz4 (EUW)
: Scream of my soul about racism!
Hi Denis :). I'm sorry you're experiencing negativity :(. Most of the community are good people, just remember that. Regarding the bad ones you've stumbled across flaming you for that - it's best to report them, and mute them. The report system picks up on this sort of behaviour too :).
Avalia (EUW)
: Why do you guys buy RP and Skins in LOL
I'll answer this question the way I live my life: "If I can't do it looking pretty, then what's the point in doing it?" {{sticker:sg-ezreal}} P.S I own too many skins. send help
Vanderlin (EUW)
: A Two Week Ban is a Bit Extreme
As others have mentioned, there are zero tolerance words within League of Legends. These include racist, extremely violent, sexist, or homophobic comments and slurs. The homophobic slur used here is one deemed unacceptable by most of society. It's not any different here.
radetari (EUNE)
: The reason why LoL messes up your mentallity
I think the problem is more underlying than just saying "Lol League ruins you" - as someone who's been playing this game for a good 7 years now, I'd like to say at least my temper is in check. (not opening the can of worms on the rest of my mental health kappa). I mean, these scenarios you're explaining are no different to when that jerk in the office screwed you over on X project. It's not appropriate to yell and curse and swear or whatever in that setting, so why is it different when we place a screen infront of someone rather than that? (also saying because you get paid doesn't cut it here - I'm sorry but if part of the reason you're being paid is "not to yell at someone", there's definitey underlying issues here). The issue here, I believe, lays with the internet itself and peoples current expecations and thoughts on it. If you spend time in unmoderated communities, then yes it's a cess pool where anything goes, and we become desensitized (I've logged my hours on 4chan back in the day). But then you shift to somewhere where societal norms (And I want to highlight this, behaviour that is actioned upon in game is behaviour that most, say bars or cafes or whatever, would also remove you from the premises for) are expected, but you still have this concept of very little consequence for interactions over a screen.... which leads us to scenarios like this. Where we blame it on a physical thing, without looking at the bigger scope, and assume the company that runs it is the problem, because they hold the community to a.. well normal standard really.
: yeah I get dat but they should be banned too if those RULES were in fair use. When you get banned they cant just look at your logs. They must see logs from the game and if they did they would at least ban them but they didnt. My problem is that I am the only one who got banned because I played champion who everyone dislikes so they reported me just for that whole reason. I dont care if I get banned the thing is that the others dont get banned too. It is not fair at all and Riot should remake their ways of doing things
>yeah I get dat but they should be banned too if those RULES were in fair use. How do you know they weren't? It's also not as simple as "ban or no ban". If it's a one off behaviour from an otherwise really well behaved player, for example, chances are they may not be given a ban, but it will still be recorded against them. If it escalates past "once in a blue moon", then that's when restrictions and bans come into play. >My problem is that I am the only one who got banned because I played champion who everyone dislikes so they reported me just for that whole reason. That's not why you got banned. Amount of reports changes nothing. 1 report has the same value of 9. All a report does is trigger a review of the game. If you did nothing wrong, nothing will happen. If you'd like clarification on why you got banned, it was because of this: >Anata ha baka: u should prepare your rope rn :* Not going to lie, the rest of your logs aren't exactly great either, but you're indirectly telling someone to do something pretty awful. (Personally I don't even understand it as a joke - as someone who's been affected by it, it's really not funny at all).
: Riot locked my accaunt
>So I played till level 3 or 4 and some days later I gave the accaunt to my cousin (he was playing 2 years in the accaunt and then he stopped) This is where your problem is. Account sharing is against the Terms of Use. You were likely flagged when playing on a new computer different to the previous user, along with patterns of behaviour etc. When you create an account, it's important that you _**don't give your password to anyone**_ . This includes family members and friends. If they'd like to start playing too, get them to make a new account. That way you can even play together, and you won't run into problems like this down the track ;)
: I forgot to mention, this player even made someone else from the team quit the game and AFK. Im totally digusted with this system.
And that sucks. I agree. But that doesn't give you the go ahead to start flaming back. Looking at your logs, you literally had ample oppurtunity to stop and report and move on. You just kept escalating the situation. To be honest, what the Garen did or did not do is irrelevant. This discussion is focusing on what you did, and how it's not appropriate. Systems not perfect, not here to argue that, god knows it could use improvement. "He started it" is not a valid excuse for the below behaviour though, sorry.
: Unbanning reformed players.
The Tyler1 ban was completely different. He had a total ID ban. Any account found to be his was immediately banned, no questions. That was the ban that was lifted. All those permabanned accounts are still permabanned. Permabans exist as a reminder not to break the rules further should you decide to make a new account. They're supposed to "suck", because it takes a fair amount to get to a perma before you actually do. If you want to continue playing, learn from your mistakes and start over on a new account.
: I guess i will do that after they lift my ban at some point, thanks, at least somebody that understands the fustration.
I would discourage you to do what's been suggested to you. Breaking the rules as well doesn't help anyone. On top of that, it's more than just about you and the other person. There are 8 other people playing the game; it's not fair to forget about them, and force them to deal with double the nonsense because of this "eye for an eye" nonsense. Especially when it can be picked up and punished at times.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: When and why did League games go from somewhat normal to super oppressive?
In my opinion it's a combination of two things: Constantly trying to lower the duration of games (I remember when playtime average was 40 mins +.... and miss it like hell). Constantly trying to create new kits and interesting different champions, resulting them being overloaded with new abilities whilst older champions wait their turn for a rework.
No0bZed (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R7GJWEAy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-02T16:50:14.328+0000) > > Hi No0bZed, > > You can submit a ticket to player support [here.](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us) > > It's usually best to utilize the in-client report function though. hello,i was searching there,but i didn't find there to send image and video about fedeer
You need to click on the "submit a request" at the top of the screen to open a ticket interface.
: quick Q to riot
Because he's a juggernaut. He's supposed to be able to survive a bit whilst he charges in. The downfall is that he has to charge in to get to you. It's quite heavily broadcast, and with good positioning, easily kiteable whilst you wait for his abilities to go on cool down.
No0bZed (EUNE)
: report about fedeer
Hi No0bZed, You can submit a ticket to player support [here.](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us) It's usually best to utilize the in-client report function though.
ScorpioGG (EUNE)
: Lets see what RIOT thinks of this!!!!!!! Ranked games only with MINIMUM LVL 5 champs and ABOVE!!!!
Champion mastery means very little in the long run. There are some champions I have level 5-7 on that there's no way I could play comfortable at my current ELO. There are champions I've just picked up that I get the hang over in 2-3 games. There's no accurate gauge on how to "measure" someones preparedness for ranked, because everyone's required amount of preparation or practice is different. That's why a system like this would likely change very little, and just serve as an irritating gate keeper to playing ranked matches.
: ***
He's one of the few (possibly only) people to have one of these types of bans to the lengths that it went. They opted out of it when he reformed. Sure he's still toxic at his viewers, and yells at his mic - but as long as that doesn't make it in game it's fine (hell I've yelled at my screen more times than I can recall). So they decided to treat him like a regular player again. That's it. The only special treatment he got was a harsher punishment than anyone else could get - even if temporary. Edit: No point apologizing to me, I'm just another player.
: ty sir & good luck in the field of justice (just thought if riot did unban super toxic streamer TYLER1 so why not asking maybe its not abt the streams)
Because Riot never unbanned Tyler1's accounts. Tyler1's "ban" was a total ID ban. Any account found associated with him, or found played by him was immediately banned regardless of whether rules had been broken or not. Riot lifted the "ID ban" from Tyler1, however none of the banned accounts were re-opened. So you're being treated exactly the same really. You're being given the opportunity to create and play a new account if you want to continue playing, just like Tyler1 was, stream or no stream ;)
AΙistar (EUNE)
: Perma banned 3 years ago
Hey Alistar, Whilst player support do tend to use a lot of "template" replies (purely for the volume of tickets they handle every day), your case will be reviewed by a person (past the blitzcank-bot auto response of course). Also worth noting ticket response times can... vary. I'm sorry that this has happened, and if the circumstances you've mentioned are true, just be patient and see what Player Support can do :).
: can u define "banned in error" cuz i think my behavior require 1 month ban ir 3 maybe but defiantly i dont deserve the perma ban
Banned in error would mean you were banned by the system by mistake. It wouldn't impact your "duration" if there was an error. There's only 2 types of actual bans - the 14-day and the Perma. You have to already have had a 14-day to get a Perma. I've looked at your logs below, and I'm sorry, but this ban looks pretty justified to me, and it's incredibly unlikely it would be removed.
: I really dont understand this ... if you ban me from the game ... why dont do the same for the forum !!!
Because the boards and in game are two completely different communities. Riot also don't tend to handle boards bans or moderation - that's done by the volunteer team (more on us [here](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/gmQTWs7V-reintroducing-the-volunteers).) And we don't take into account in game behaviour because we have no any extra information than any other player. So yeah, unless you break the boards rules (well the more severe ones anyway), you're still welcome to post. Edit: broke mah links.
: Sorry but do YOU have in particular the script codes for the bot handling reports/punishments? Do YOU have a precise insight in what patterns get punished and how "many" such games are needed for you to receive a punishment? Do you have ANY waterproof material to back your words up? So everyone has just enough reason to take what you say as complete rubbish as you take mine as.
I’ll happily provide red posts on how they’ve openly stated how the system works when I’m back home and not on mobile ;) but they’re definitely there.
: Nothing new that punishments are given out on pretty vague players. "He started it" might not be an excuse for breaking the rules, but give us atleast the satisfaction to give the player triggering others into missbehaving atleast the same punishment, if not a harder one. Erring is human and not everyone posesses ALWAYS enough patience to resist emotions taking over. Someone might have had very stressful past days, maybe even a death of a relative that set up a really bad mood already. Getting across players who quickly start to flame other people for their dumb mistakes and might even start trolling cuz "they aren't the star of the game where the entire team guards up their butt so they can feel like Faker", that might be the drop that makes the barrel of negative emotions overflow. I have come around countless games as jungler, where one or multiple lanes did stupid actions where majority of the cast would put the mistake equal to "just running it down". Countless games where me and my Duoq Midlaner have set up really good vision controll, the enemy jungler passes FIVE, i repeat; FIVE freaking wards walking to botlane. I wrote in chat "care enemy jgl bot inc", spamm pinged on every ward he passed. Yet the botlane had to greed so heavily that they both get caught with less than 20% HP (and no summoners) and obviously give a double to the enemy jungler. 10 seconds after they die, classic "if you lose your lane, blame your jungler" mindset comes up. Classical "better jgl wins" or "jgl difference again". Now tell me, isn't it human to loose your nerves at some point when you come across dull people like that all day, or you already had a hella bad time lately and thus are easier to crack into breaking the rules? Isn't it justified for the jungler to get mad who has twice the CS lead over the enemy jungler due to counterjungling, solokilled the enemy jungler twice? Set up a lot of deep wards gaining vision controll to take the enemy jungler completly out of the game? And then the greedy botlane, who refuses to listen to the rest of the team, puts the enemy jungler back into the state of being equal in strength or getting a huge comeback ruining all your ingame efforts for the first 10 minutes of the game, putting you back where you started. Now I just mute those people and accept the defeat if they refuse to cooperate with the team in most cases. But if I wrote a SINGLE comment back to defend myself, I would've run into the risk of getting punished for 2 other players being hella toxic and basicly trolling the game. What I personally mean when I say "but he started it" isn't that my behaviour was appropriate, it's about the most toxic guy in the game who started the entire cluster%%%% to get a punishment aswell. I have countless examples where I litereally needed inhuman patience equal to a monk training for his entire lifetime to hold back and not say anything inappropriate back. What I also see very often, that normal communication or actual good critism towards your fellow players gets recognized as toxic behaviour way to often. I once got a chat restriction of 10 games for blaming adc/mid for not building morelloes/executioners when the enemy team had darius, warwick, vladimir and a soraka and just overran us with all their heales. I haven't said anything that should've been considered toxic. All I said is "Guys stop fighting, you didn't even realize you had to build grievious wounds and yet you blame and insult others for the lost game"
>I once got a chat restriction of 10 games for blaming adc/mid for not building morelloes/executioners when the enemy team had darius, warwick, vladimir and a soraka and just overran us with all their heales. I haven't said anything that should've been considered toxic. All I said is "Guys stop fighting, you didn't even realize you had to build grievious wounds and yet you blame and insult others for the lost game" That's not how it works at all. You don't get a chat restriction for one game, it's when it's a becoming a regular pattern of behaviour that restrictions kick in. I'm sorry. I don't believe this example, especially without screenshots of your reform card to back your claim. ---------------------- To err is to human sure. That's why you won't get banned for just one game (unless you're going way over the mark with zero tolerance words/intentional feeding/death threats etc). You will only get a restriction if it becomes a pattern of behaviour. So the "erring" excuse kind of fades away here, because it has to be done multiple times.
Oxyy (EUNE)
: Is there any way to open ticket about people behaviour?
Hi Oxyy, We don't allow naming and shaming here on the boards :(. ----------------------- If you'd like to report a player post game, then your best bet is to do so via the in-game client. If you missed the oppurtunity to do it there, you can submit a ticket to support here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us Your best bet is to block and remove that person from your friends list. In future, don't accept friend requests from people you don't know.
: 14 day ban unjustified
You were banned for the homophobic slur you used. It's zero tolerance, and deemed unacceptable by most of society, not just Riot. I suggest you remove it from your vocabulary.
Scarlesh (EUW)
: Riot empowers trolls and baiters into getting their victims restricted
"He started it" isn't really a valid excuse in these scenarios, nor in most similar verbal (text here) conversations or exchanges. You have the power to be the bigger person and ignore it. If you take the bait and break the rules yourself as well... well I'm sorry that's on you. No one forced you to make that decision, it's a conscious decision you made yourself. This is all regardless of the fact that the person baiting you is held to the same standard. The system doesn't randomly pick and choose who to ban. That's not how it works. So if you report them, and it's more than a "once off" then it's likely they will face repercussions too. It's also worth noting that these restrictions are based off regular patterns of behaviour, not once offs. Reform cards just provide the most recent examples. EDIT: >does so by actively rewarding chat toxicity and punishing those who've been victim of it. Can you provide a source for this? I see toxicity punished on the daily. Most of my posts are usually player behaviour related at some point. I've also never had an infraction or restriction, and I've been playing since season 2 - and I can pretty much assure you that I'm not toxic...nor have I ever seen toxic behaviour been rewarded in my years of playing.
: CAN YOU PLS UNBAN
Hi Omega Squad H, Permanent bans are just that. Permanent. Unfortunately, if it was justified, it won't be removed. If you think you were banned in error, you can submit a ticket to player support here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us ------------ If you'd like some input on why you got banned, feel free to post your reform card or chat logs here :). Although bear in mind that we can only critique and advise why you got banned, and how to avoid doing so on a new account in the future. No one on the boards has the power to remove your ban.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: I'm... disagreeing with Riot here to an **extent** .
> [{quoted}](name=Pavle2001,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=000a000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T21:29:58.224+0000) > > I'm... disagreeing with Riot here to an **extent** . Am I going to deny there's questionable deaths? no Am I going to agree it's ban worthy? also no.
: > But the punishment pyramid at current is so black and white. And it also opens question to the debate of what punishments should be in place and at what point is it differentiated for someone that's escalating? Exactly. I understand that Riot have to show a strong front when enforcing bans, if they unbanned one player they'll be inundated with support tickets for an unban (which I'm sure already happens). When the Soraka boasted that she'd gotten "millions of players like me banned and I won't be logging on tomorrow" I honestly laughed at her. I've never been banned before, and this wasn't a game to be worried about since there was no way (in my opinion) could it be deemed inting. It's such a shame that my account is now in jeopardy of being permenent banned for another infraction. I've honestly never felt so vulnerable as a player as any next game could be my last due to a support ticket. If you haven't watched the Youtube clip I've provided I implore you to do so and make a decision for yourself, is this really ban worthy?
My honest opinion? There are definitely deaths in there that are questionable, you and I can both probably see that. However, if you don't have a history of any type, no I'm not of the opinion that this should be an immediate 14-day ban. Not in an URF match. But that's just another players opinion to you. It doesn't hold any weight, it's just my view.
: > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion This is my ban in a nutshell. The Rioter that responded to the Tweet said it seems harsh for an URF game. The majority of people in this thread agree that it's way to harsh a punishment. Riot support said no, you inted and that's that. Both of the greens in this thread agree with Riot and I respect your opinions. What i'm frustrated by is that I feel like my ban could have gone either way depending on which Rioter reviewed the initial case. Since one Rioter deemed it was int, it puts Riot in the awkward position of admitting fault with their system if they revert the ban.
I'm... disagreeing with Riot here to an extent. I'll explain how below . To be clear. I thought I'd established that. > Since one Rioter deemed it was int, it puts Riot in the awkward position of admitting fault with their system if they revert the ban. I think the problem here doesn't so much stem from the review of it, but rather the fact that this was escalated to an immediate 14-day ban. If you have a clean slate, as you say, given the circumstances then in my own (and I heavily emphasize this is my own opinion) that should be something like a warning. A "Hey, this is your one off. Try not to do this again". But the punishment pyramid at current is so black and white. And it also opens question to the debate of what punishments should be in place and at what point is it differentiated for someone that's escalating? It's an imperfect system. I'm not here to argue against that. It's just unfortunate that sometimes it works out... not so well.
: Renekton Otp Name
: I feel like Zoe is weak rn. Isn't she supposed to one shot people late game? I played against one and she could hardly 1v1 me when I played Camille when in reality Zoe should win 1v1 skirmishes late game.
Depends. Zoe is all about getting the pit. The first hit. Late game if you can master weaving in and out of combat for those hits, you can wreak havoc. Sleeps allow you to set that up, whilst also offering an already decent downtime to be punished on an immobile champion. Especially since it's short range unless you have conditions, meaning when you do collapse on her it's significantly harder to use effectively. I don't understand why the need to extend that window, personally.
Hansiman (EUW)
: You'll just get a list stating how many times you've been reported within the various categories, but not indicating how frequently in your games. That still has nothing to do with your claim though.
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: Not much I can really say, you completely falsified my claim.
We're not robots. We have our own opinions. You can find quite a few posts littered around where I've voiced disagreement with decisions. The common misconception stems from the fact _most of the time_ in player behaviour related posts, we try to stay impartial. People misunderstand that as defending someone, rather than laying out what is and isn't wrong, and allowing you to make an informed decision based off of that. We're not bad people. EDIT: using the wrong words because trying to write two things at the same time kappa.
: Dont Nerf Zoe again.
I came home and found out Zoe is getting nerfed by this thread. I'm.... Not happy about this either. She's in a relatively ok spot as is :(.
: i fked up my wording on the last one I meant to say that they will defend Riot in any situation.
I want to clarify here. At no point did I defend that Soraka. I said what is and isn't wrong. If you read through the chains of comments, after the multiple unnecessary arguments, I even openly stated that I agreed with the OP's view - in the sense that he viewed it as wrong. Edit: To add my two cents to the op's post. Do I think intentional feeding in URF should be punished this hard? To be honest, not really. It's a fun/troll game mode for messing around. Whilst I wouldn't advise or condone doing it... I think this outcome is a bit extreme personally - _only in the case that it was a one off and not a regular pattern._ Which I think is the case here.
: Can you make that a ban/punishement also affect the alt/smurf account
It's not pheasable. Email bans don't work, it takes 2 minutes to make a new email address tops. It took me 2 to make an email address for this account when i first started out yonks ago. IP bans also don't work. It's super easy to change IP's. That would also potentially affect public or shared computers. Why should one family member not be allowed to play because their sibling decided to be toxic? If people continue to behave poorly on their accounts, smurf or not, it will catch up to them.
Deliora (EUNE)
: Got dc'd and banned for 5 games LEAVERBUSTER
>Hey I usually get dc's every once in a while. This is why (if once and a while is... you know, semi regularly) If you have a few afk's in a short timespan, you'll be flagged for leaverbuster. If you're having issues where you're disconnecting intermittently, you should really be looking to resolve that before playing again anyway first to be honest.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: How many comments did you post ? How many of them were stating that he **MIGHT NOT BE DOING IT INTENTIONALLY** and passively defending his actions. I can even pit pocket your comments that INDIRECTLY deffend this person. But I will mostly loose my time since you are not going to listen or accept my criticism (even tho you might say that you will do). > If you're playing Bard jungle and actively participating in and assisting in trying to win the game, then you're not breaking the rules. You're playing off meta. This is one quote and I think it says it all. Play off-meta in normals, If you think this is fine when doing it in Ranked (Diamond elo let me remind you) you should probably not even participate in such conversations.
>How many comments did you post ? How many of them were stating that he MIGHT NOT BE DOING IT INTENTIONALLY and passively defending his actions. None. All my comments did were say what was ok and what was not. Not once did I even refer to Soraka. The only examples where I referred to anyone was when the OP was threatening to troll with Bard jungle. >This is one quote and I think it says it all. Play off-meta in normals, If you think this is fine when doing it in Ranked (Diamond elo let me remind you) you should probably not even participate in such conversations. Morgana support was off meta once. As was Annie. As was Ezreal jungle. All these things made appearences in ranked. The meta is ever shifting and changing, I'm sorry, that's never going to be against the rules. At this point it doesn't matter what I say though, you've made up your mind even when I've indirectly commented I'm agreeing with the OP's stance here. So I'm just going to leave it there.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: Yeah you are not taking sides **DIRECTLY** . But from what you said I can clearly see that you are doing it.
I mean, you can think that if you'd like. I'm of the firm belief that the OP knows the answer to this question, whether it was wrong or not, already, as I've already stated. If you can read between the lines.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: > f you could kindly point out where I was defending this person, that would be great. Where ? Everywhere... . This person was **clearly **at fault and YET you still try to justify him. I am not trying to be mean but you should not speak about things you have no clue about.
I've stated numerous times that I'm not taking sides. All I've done is define what is ok and what isn't. At no point have I said that this person was doing either. I'm not interested in attempting to place blame or excuse someones behaviour.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: >Was it someone having a bad game/playing off meta? This is really stupid thing to say.... The fact that you think someone can have a bad game by playing full AD soraka jungle **IN RANKED IN DIAMOND ELO**. Stop defending the obvious trolling and face the fact that Riot are not doing anything to stop people from intentionally throwing games... . Defending it is pointless and makes absolutely no sense.
If you could kindly point out where I was defending this person, that would be great. All my comment was was highlighting the difference between what was reportable, and what isn't. I never sided one way or the other. I'm not really going to either - I wasn't there, and it's not my place to anyway. There's no point trying to strawman me here.
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7boK2eeH,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T22:02:12.324+0000) > > Feel free to quote me where I said that. > > All I've said time and time again is that if you're playing the game with the intent to troll, like you've indicated you are, then you can be punished. > > If you play the game to win, and help your team, then it's fine. > > But you've openly indicated you're only doing it for the former reason, hence my recommendation not to do it. Dude stop it from now, HOW YOU CAN PLAY SORAKA JUNGLE AND GOING TO WIN EXPLAIN ME please i mean you must have decent iq to recognized that he LEGIT trolled i know that you want to stand behind that player just bcs he reached dia 1st time in life that dosent give him PRIVILEGY TO TROLL game. Now ( http://prntscr.com/ml8tue ) im going to be demoted bcs of that regardless what did i do that game. you want to call it fair ??? ( http://prntscr.com/ml8ujh ) Explain me this picture ? And you are going for with with soraka jungle with 3 assist its legit (13%) kill participation you are going for win with 13% kill participation. Shame on you son legit shame on you
Where have I ever said that they were playing to win or not? I've never sided one way or the other. Intentionally. It's not my place. You asked if it was punishable, I've provided you with the guidelines of what defines if it was or wasn't. You already have your answer, I don't know why it's required such a heated exchange and threats of trolling.
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7boK2eeH,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T21:01:36.832+0000) > > no it means that i played with someone who didn't knowed his hero good ,and turned into playing like he was intentionally feeding playing normal , and it's really normal we are a team and we loss but , the definition of team is not to loss because 1 was playing really really stupid while others deserved to win ... the ideea would be to don't loss because of 1 guy or 2 guys who play horrible wrong... , there is the point of how ranked games should look like , you loss cause i see you had some bad plays but when you individually loss and not loss it like a team that's a problem of the all ranked games , that you loss on your lane hard , and most of time is not because the enemy just play better , it's because your skill on that champion miss and you do lot's of bad plays ,no knowing to farm under tower or overall, you pushing lane ,no ward ,flame your jungler cause he no gank while enemy gank , i see that to my team mates a lot happening ,and there are more stuffs like this , but yeah i would like to loss like a team and not loss because someone train/flame/play horrible /loss his lane/make me loss my lane cause enemy from x lane goes team work with enemy team and smash me into face after i played good and didn't lost my lane , that's a huge problem that escapes you... > > I am not selfish , i know when someone plays good , i try to understand that's it he lost the lane , but there are people who see they loss lane keep pushing,no freezing , after 1 6 they cry for ganks or they go afk ... and stuffs like this aren't okey , i don't call this bad plays when you do this and have lot's of games like that in match history with negative scores ,lot's of them , there is no anymore a pleasure to play with such players ,and there's the reason Riot should do something in this sense .... , but you can't even ban feeders , do i expect you to care about players who train in ranked , no i don't have ,that's why i am feeling the need to have a better ranked matchmaking system with better placement system ,who places you ranked differently regarding your skill not just cause you won a game in placements ,based on how good you farm , how you played overall , not because you were playing horrible and others carry you and you eventually won and got a free win in placements etc... , there are more stuffs like this , in my opinnion skill> division , cause skill can tell where you are siting around , yeah i think would be hard to face smurfers or better players in placements but still not loving to be placed lot's of divisons behind while i know this game good , and equal with others cause in fact some people may have less skill than me and get more much luck in placements and reach a better division than me , even if my skill is better than them ... ,and this result in a mixt of player skill from low to high , and a ranked system who's not anymore having a constant level of skill for each division/tier > > The ideea is that you may get a division you no deserve regarding your skill just because someone played good and saved the game ,this apply even in placements games when you are fitted into a division , and the grinding system keeps push you behind your rank , it's really ridiculous , why you would push me behind my last season rank ?? ,to loss time and waste time trying to advance further of my old season rank , it's really feel stupid after me You are god damn right buddy every word has corect meaning. But i will tell you something emissery will tell you. "I don't know how much more clearly I can put that for you." He can troll and get no punish while we "subhumans" have no chanse to troll cuz they will simply put us on observation and we will be soon suspended' So its cearly that they wont change system just bcs we are right. In this game much much much more stuffs aint right and fair. As you can see he cleanly told me. " HEY he can troll but you cant troll you will be banned he can troll and we dont care he wasnt punished ever on that acc while me as 14days ban im able to be permabanned for every "mini toxic, trolling, initing mode"
>" HEY he can troll but you cant troll you will be banned he can troll and we dont care he wasnt punished ever on that acc while me as 14days ban im able to be permabanned for every "mini toxic, trolling, initing mode" Feel free to quote me where I said that. All I've said time and time again is that if you're playing the game with the intent to troll, like you've indicated you are, then you can be punished. If you play the game to win, and help your team, then it's fine. But you've openly indicated you're only doing it for the former reason, hence my recommendation not to do it.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7boK2eeH,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:17:55.219+0000) > > Literally the only difference between the queues is that one marks, grades and places you based on your skill, and one doesn't. That's it. The game doesn't become harder. It doesn't change who you're playing or your controls. It just changes who you play against. > > And that's fine, it's a good way to do it if you don't want to risk losing your "grade". But it's not a rule, nor a necessity. it should be a rule ... , it's not about that you losing your grade , is about making others losing them grade ,that's all the point to don't be selfish and make others loss cause you no know that champion or can't play good ,but riots learn players to be selfish and ruins other games ,so exactly here should be a rule in this sense. Now people do it too often because they not get them hero , or they not know a large pool of heroes , when they get autofill they even doing it worse... ,and that's a problem too because , in my opinnion if you train normal games you have more chances to play good ranked and to reduce toxicity , if you train ranked and do it bad you may end in being flamed ,having a negative experience , make others angry , loss your time lp , and make others derank , overall people have some skill but sometimes that skill they not apply it to every hero , with some heroes they no know to farm as well or come back from bad plays and do something okey and play good and help team ,that's a problem cause you may no know the champion limits and do stupid plays , going in when you have no enought damage etc... , that's why normal games are a thingh , and i would make people who play bad to train in normal games like normal games restriction , if you play some games in row bad then you could somehow be sended to train normal games ,cause that no kills anyone .
At what point do you determine someone is OK to play a champion? Some people pick champions up super quickly, others take time. There's simply no way to gate it based on what you're asking for. >e , is about making others losing them grade Again, it's a team game. A team is always going to lose. It doesn't mean someone was being selfish and actively setting out to sabotage you. It just means the other team played better. I don't know how much more clearly I can put that for you.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7boK2eeH,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:00:07.714+0000) > > Normal games don't pit you against people of equal skill. It works on a completely different matchmaking system. > So really, ranked is the best place for someone to be put in a position to be playing against people of equal skill. > > The thing is this is a competitive team game. Someone is always going to lose, and that's just life here. If they're not on the enemy team, they're on yours and vice versa. > In the long run, if your skill level is higher, you'll climb. If not, you need to figure out where you can improve, and then you'll start to see results. (This is coming from a hard stuck plat player. I know when I'm improving and stagnating, and I'll climb when I get good enough). > > Again, it's a game where a team has to win and lose. Sorry, but sometimes that's going to be your team on the losing side. > That's not going to change no matter what Elo you're in. well normal games pit you to train in farming with a hero and doing team fights , it's not to challenge you ,it just to train and be a good player when you eventually start play ranked ,that's how i started to play league of legends , i seen i was bad ranked i got to normal games to practice new heroes etc... So is a team game ,but most of them flame each other , and they no watching themself playing low ... , then i am angry cause while they flame each other they no focus on what they have to do etc.. ,there are more , every elo have his bad players.. ,but there is a constant mess now in middle elo where players are from low skill to high skill ,cause i seen diamond players who play around gold elo to change the air and get some motivation for when they playing ranked on main account or after they meet some bad players in higher elo and they want some break from that , i seen such players , even won 4 vs 5 with 1 afk as support since min 5 who eventually not even connected back ... . Problem is that all the time you have to figure out to tell them what to do ,to make tactics and is exhausting after a while to do this , to be like a father between 2 childrens who fight each other on something that have no sense or may have a bit of sense sometimes. If you have the luck to get a player on x lane who play vs a smurf or at least average skill level , while your team mate have 0 knowdledge about or his hero or about what he have to do in order to don't loss lane or feed more harder enemy there are more situations like this ,who can make you loss , and that's not about team ,cause imagine you get 2 lanes like this who doing this , then your entire team already lost , if your jungle keeps farm for nothing and don't help anyone while the rest of lanes no understand what they have to do and flame each other with jungler ... , there is more but that's all in general... , and the cherry from the cake is when you forced to play with autofill players vs an adc who have a good support and can make the plays on bot,while your support kinda don't do nothing or have no knowdledge of what he have to do... etc... , it's really amazing this when you play as adc...
Literally the only difference between the queues is that one marks, grades and places you based on your skill, and one doesn't. That's it. The game doesn't become harder. It doesn't change who you're playing or your controls. It just changes who you play against. > i seen i was bad ranked i got to normal games to practice new heroes And that's fine, it's a good way to do it if you don't want to risk losing your "grade". But it's not a rule, nor a necessity.
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