Èclair (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A1arak,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=OiIIwFua,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-28T19:49:00.987+0000) > > And they say to you, "thank you for donating the money to you here to you ACCESS TO SKIN." That's all. You have nothing and do not have the right to have. I really hope that there will be sensible lawyers and explain to me how much it is generally legal It is fairly legal under the principle _"licensed, not sold"_ and while ownership of digital goods might be somewhat grey area, you still purchased a license to use said software for an unlimited amount of time with RG withholding the rights to cancel said service under circumstances written in ToU you agreed upon while creating an account.
I already said that they made this agreement extremely cleverly
: keep crying with those salty tears
Your problems, if you are not able to analyze information. And like a blind sheep you stupidly agree with everything.
: Trying to take legal action against Riot because you can't follow the rules of the Riot Community? Don't make me laugh!!!
Its yours opinion. Idc.
Me0wstic (EUW)
: I haven't had a lot of law courses yet, but I don't think donating falls under "consumer protection law" because you don't consume anything.
Okay. Come on, then, we will not pay attention to your donatштп. And just take all the skins from you.
Febos (EUW)
: I read the chain of comments. You are either delusional or don't have enough information about legal matters. I doubt any lawyer, family or not, would help you with this. You want to know why? Because you'd never win. Heck, this wouldn't even reach any court. Besides, things are done like this for exactly every other online game. You accepted the contract by playing the game. But go ahead. You'll only waste your own time with this.
We will see. There have already been similar cases. And the players won
Shukr4n (EUW)
: sure but this is intellectual product not a pizza. anyway, since u state u have an excellent laywer in your family, sueing riot would be a joke. do it and let us know what happens. if u win maybe u revolution gaming industry. go
I will try. The lawyer will help to draw up a document with all violations of the rights of players. And when it happens. This document sees everybody.
A1arak (EUW)
: RIOT'S CYNISISM
It is very difficult to go against the system, especially when such as I am very little. And everyone else blindly agrees with everything that this system does.
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: still waiting on the list of specific laws that Riot supposedly breaks.
Consumer Protection Law.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: but this is not abuse on humans, this is a PRIVATE company that developed a PRIVATE game, free to play. which means that you can play if u dont spend money . BUT if u spend money there are rules on how that transaction works. and u are denying it right now for your convenience. IF "law" is in your advantage, take riot in tribunal and win. it is simple.
Private producers of products do not always indicate how they actually make products. But the consumer has every right to know how the product is being prepared, which he buys. A manufacturer does so that either it does not know or can not prove. That's all. Here is the same situation. Prove that the company that something violates very difficult. This is a business
Smerk (EUW)
: Not an expert, but I have few lawyers in my family, so I know quite a lot about all that
The fact that you have the same familiar lawyers does not at all mean that you yourself become an expert on laws or lawyers. I was answered by a successful specialist with an excellent reputation. And I do not really care that you do not want to understand me. Until you yourself fall into a similar sitauutsiyu you do not understand. As always. It's the nature of the person. Once you get into the same situation, you can understand me and only then criticize.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: basiclly u tell me that if i open a shop in which i write at the door that " WHOEVER enters here and "buy" stuff is not hte owner of the stuff purchased" but if you still enter i am wrong? if u dont like the terms, which u agreed while downloading the game, dont play lol. the reason u are upset is because u got banned and look for a way to retaliate, otherwise u would have not care about it for ages. make a new account and select NO, I DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW ToS. let s seee what happens and if u are happy with that.
This is purely your personal opinion. Previously, Afro-merican were not considered people. Then everything changed. Laws have changed. Any law may be wrong by default
Smerk (EUW)
: Well, then you can tell that lawyer to go find another job, because he's clearly clueless about his current one
This is your personal opinion. Thank God, this is a close and good friend of the family. One of the best in Kiev. But you can say anything. You're an expert, right?
Smerk (EUW)
: Honestly I don't know what do you want to hear there. That support dude explained everything as clear as possible. You either agree to follow rules and then face consequences when you don't. Or you don't agree and play some other game. They aren't breaking any laws, again as that dude said, you can ask any lawyer about this issue and he will tell you that you are in the wrong
Well no. I already answered in the comments below. This is an extremely cunning and controversial agreement. Which really violates the rights of the client. But it's difficult to prove. But this is a fact
Smerk (EUW)
: Honestly I don't know what do you want to hear there. That support dude explained everything as clear as possible. You either agree to follow rules and then face consequences when you don't. Or you don't agree and play some other game. They aren't breaking any laws, again as that dude said, you can ask any lawyer about this issue and he will tell you that you are in the wrong
You can write any agreement. Which by default will violate the rights of the client! Since the rights of the client do not depend only on such an agreement! And I already talked with a lawyer and he confirmed to me that this agreement is very tricky, but it does violate the rights of the client
: This is nothing new. Obviously everything in your acc and your acc especially is not your own but it belongs to Riot. And only by their mercyfulness you are allowed to use it. Or if you don't follow the rules they deny you the access to it. I mean actually it even stands there that you don't even have to break any rules because it belongs to them and they can deny access at any time without any reason. But obviously that wouldn't make any sense so there obviously is always a reason. You won't find an online game with ingame goods in which it is different. We all agree to this at account creation.
I agree. But there were already cases when they sued and the company had to admit that they were wrong. Only to prove it is very difficult. In fact, most of these terms of use are illegal by default. Because they violate the rights of the consumer.
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: THEN WHY IS RIOT STILL ALLOWED ON JAPPAN ??????????????????????????? AND EVERY EA GAME ? AND EVERY GAME ON STEAM ?
I do not know this. It's business. Which brings money. Or are you sure that everything in the world is always right and honest? Then you're just a fool
Hydnoras (EUW)
: They can call it a donation all they want but fact is that it isn't a donation. Donation is when you give something without receiving anything in return. In this case, you do receive the rights to use those virtual goods as long as you play by the rules.
YES! BUT THE RIOT EMPLOYEE APPROVES THE BACK
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A1arak,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=OiIIwFua,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-28T20:11:05.543+0000) > > It's useless to talk to you. In Japan already recognized. That any virtual property in the game is the property of the player. > Only this company does not think so. And you can say anything. Communicate with a lawyer if you do not understand this. Because I did it. This is a 100% deception its useless talking to you when all you provide is a couple of screenshots from the player support that is not educated in this and is also in Russian (believe it or not English is most spoken language) and you talk about laws while providing 0 links to them its like you are selling a house without pictures nobody will be interested in it.
In Japan already recognized. That any virtual property in the game is the property of the player. Thats all. If YOU caun undestand IT! And I said that I talked with a man from the technical support department in Russian and there are screenshots. And if you did not find it, then you obviously should check your vision
A1arak (EUW)
: It's useless to talk to you. In Japan already recognized. That any virtual property in the game is the property of the player. Only this company does not think so. And you can say anything. Communicate with a lawyer if you do not understand this. Because I did it. This is a 100% deception
Justerus answered me. What is it DONAT! And that the company will work in its favor, and not in favor of the player. And just the conditions of use are their document for protection. Which by default violates the law!
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A1arak,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=OiIIwFua,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-28T20:00:57.626+0000) > > In rules you can write anything. But this does not mean that they should touch the rights of the customer as a consumer! This is a violation of the law on consumer protection! lol YOU are given the terms of playing the game when you make an account YOU agree to them THEY do not violate any laws as you LET THEM TO DO ANYTHING so what you are saying is that every game on the internet is violating your rights? Valve can also do anything on your Steam account? is that also a violation ?
It's useless to talk to you. In Japan already recognized. That any virtual property in the game is the property of the player. Only this company does not think so. And you can say anything. Communicate with a lawyer if you do not understand this. Because I did it. This is a 100% deception
Hydnoras (EUW)
: It's not a donation. You basically rent the virtual goods or buy a licence to use them which means they can revoke your rights to use them as well. It's like buying games on steam. You do not own anything. It would be a different thing if they didn't tell you that you do not own anything you buy but they make you agree to these terms when you create your account. You have no right to play the game if you do not agree to the terms.
It is a pity that you think so. In the screenshots, I'm answered by a technical support staff member. Where he clearly says that it's DONAT! Would you know Russian would read in the screenshots
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A1arak,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=OiIIwFua,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-01-28T19:53:05.773+0000) > > Yes. But these rules violate consumer rights. no, they do not its all in FAQ when you activate your account its said it does not belong to you nor any "intellectual values" that you buy it is not a violation because it is said to you when you activate the account and by activating it you basically agree on anything that riot does to your account. just read the FAQs lol
This agreement will violate it by default!
Hydnoras (EUW)
: You agreed to the terms. It's not against your rights.
The user agreement should not violate the rights of the consumer! Read about the law that protects the rights of the consumer on the Internet This agreement will violate it by default!
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A1arak,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=OiIIwFua,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-01-28T19:53:05.773+0000) > > Yes. But these rules violate consumer rights. no, they do not its all in FAQ when you activate your account its said it does not belong to you nor any "intellectual values" that you buy it is not a violation because it is said to you when you activate the account and by activating it you basically agree on anything that riot does to your account. just read the FAQs lol
In rules you can write anything. But this does not mean that they should touch the rights of the customer as a consumer! This is a violation of the law on consumer protection! lol
KaShootMe (EUNE)
: all this is written in FAQ when you make the acc if you only would read thru it you would know lol
Yes. But these rules violate consumer rights.
A1arak (EUW)
: RIOT'S CYNISISM
All screenshots with russian language. So i hope that somebody is know russian and can undestand me (
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