: Why are you using your Summoner Icon?
why do i use my summoner icon? wait... is there a choice not to have a summoner icon?
TinyCzech (EUW)
: PC BUILD HELP PLS
this is a bad place to ask such question. you should find a proper forum where computer geeks write about computer stuff all day long. and you should never ever pick a computer setup made by some computer store. most of them are poorly balanced and contain bad choices. you should build your own computer by asking for build suggestions in experts forums. only an idiot will buy 500GB hard drive for example. they have the worst GB per buck by far. anything under 2TB is poorly priced to be cost efficient. and you will probably need that space at some point anyway. 3TB have best efficiency in price per GB. an SSD is a must for every medium-high end computer imo. you shouldn't get less than 250GB. and you should beware of cheap older generations with poor performance. if you want cost efficiency get something like Crucial MX100. for extra cooling and long time stability, plus lower noise and safety, i prefer a 3rd party cpu cooler with back plate screw mounting if possible. a proper quality!!! PSU with enough extra power for maximum efficiency stability and longevity, and perhaps hardware upgrade in the future. 8GB minimum memory is required now days, but with today's prices you could get 16GB too if you want a fun overkill. don't care much to get into anything else here. now go ask in a popular pc hardware expert forum.
: if you want people to respect pick order...
2nd pick should let 1st pick choose BEFORE he go on trying to OWN roles. 2nd pick is a disrespectful bully trying to force things with calls of dibs and instalocks. 2nd pick should get the fk out of draft pick, and go play blind pick with rest of the disrespectful dibs calling team sabotaging skunks.
: Ninjabuff Galio?
galio is a situational pick. he can be considered OP against AP teams, and in need of a NERF. so cut the krap. not my fault if you failpick him in the wrong situation, and expect him to be invincible. not my fault if you pick him in the right situation, and expect him to not only be invincible, but also tireless. many champs find it hard to balance farm and abilities use early on. mana is a drain on MANY MANY MANY champs. get some mana regen runes and stop complaining.
: Reduce "Summoner Name Change" IP cost!
as someone who already bought all champs, and runes, and pages, i don't care about the IP price of anything... but to the point, if anything should be costly, its a name change. we don't want people changing names 20 times a year.
Agerune (EUW)
: a game later i get another 4 premade team. and had the pleasure of getting jungler. bot stand near golems ready to take'em. mid stand under tower, ignoring my request ping for jungle cover. i asked simply why dont u cover? and their mid answered, "cause im an evil biach". their top came later and seem to be covering. but no... he just wanted to do wraiths while i do red. and their bot did golems while i do red. great start... already sabotaged and team turned hostile with absolutely no reason on my part. i did my best and we eventually won. but i had to go through hell to get there. it wasn't enjoyable at all. since my jungle got sabotaged by my entire team(which consist of 4 hostile abusive premades), i was way behind, and died much more than i should'v if i wasn't so sabotaged. so i got reported in the end for feeding with a score of 4/8/8. even though i did my best and we actually won, which wouldn't been possible without my efforts. a game later, i get another 4 premades. at first i didn't know it ofcourse. it started fine. everything was so nice and peaceful. felt good. i helped mid and top a lot, as they got traded badly in lanes. kept them floating. at minute 8 i died once. and their adc lashed at me, REPORT YI 4X. from then on it was focus yi for reporting. i actually did great in this game. but this bot lane just farmed and pushed bot. they never showed up for teamfights. never even came to defend base when enemy teamed and pushed mid. their support started coming later on. but their adc refused till the very last moment. i asked them is he your premade? yeah. but they didn't say anything to him, because he has premade immunity. he can act the worst way, verbal abuse me without good reason, refuse to cooperate with team entire game, and falsely report me at end game for just about every sick reason a hostile kid can invent. the thing is me and the other premades worked really well in the game, fully cooperating and successful mostly. still... it end with that vayne reporting me and says, 4x yi. who knows how many more decided to indulge him just because he's their premade. 3 games with 4 premades in a row. all end up with either 4X or 1X. all false, without any cause in my part AT ALL. that's exactly what it takes to get doubled restrictions. imagine that i get a few more like that and i LASH OUT or something being REASONABLY MAD with them 4 premades. that right there can get me chat restricted in the first place. and now i can be at my best behavior and i will get doubled. its SICK whats going on with 4 premades and a solo. riot should stop this on match making level. at least give us the tool to help normal mode solo players avoid being abused at such high levels. i feel like i'm part of a minority that is getting abused in game just to fill a role riot imagine the community need to have. that more and more players avoid playing solo in normal summoner rift. and as they do that i get more and more 4 premades. 3 games in a row. and that's not rare at all... i had a very high percentage of 4 premades in the last 2 days, overall its always a big part of being a solo player in normal mode. its statistical lows are still considerably high. its statistical high is sickening and maddening. no more... riot... no more... please... i don't want 4 premades ever again. why do you keep matching me with so many? i didn't sign up for that when i queue's solo. i just wanna play with other players who don't wanna waste time and effort on friend list management. i don't want to be a random in a wave of 4 premade's orange clockwork movie.
ever since i got those 35 chat restrictions i was very careful what i say. the number of false reports by premades during those games was high enough to set me to 175 more when those 35 ended. that's automatic system abuse right there. solo players in normal summoner rift games are getting fked by system which allow premades to abuse them. i remember a specific game within that 35 chat restrictions period. where i was support to a very rude bad mouth adc. in the end of the game he says, now u'r fked cause we're 4 premades and u get 4x reports. i said or did nothing that warrant a report that game. that's all it takes to double your chat restrictions nowdays. meet a few hostile 4 premades that report you after game. it doesn't matter what you did or not do. you're the solo player, they're the 4 premades, and you will be antagonized by default. if only there was a TRUE SOLO QUEUE for normal games. with ONLY solo players. this WHOLE MESS wouldn't have happened. i would get 600% less abuse. no doubt about it.
: Nerf Volibear?
volibear is not op. however... he is very strong to get fed with, because he can still do a lot of damage with full tank build(especially with the right runes, and there's a secret not many know how to utilize). so while assassins can get fed and be eliminated easily with cc/teamwork, and other tanks have low damage with full build, voli seem to have a very nice position of high damage EXTRA HEAVY tank(with passive kicking in sometimes to give him second wind). he can add a lot to team fights in term of damage and cc, while having tons of hp, which is why a fed voli running with his team is an absolute terror. that terror is what players opening this thread are complaining about. but you can find a lot of champs in lol that can become fed, instilling enemies with terror. if you knew how many times i played voli top or jungle, and my team sucked on teamwork, making me behind in power gap, unable to do SHYT. you wouldn't complain so much about voli. i think in some games players find voli so strong not only because they behind in xp and gold, but also because those fools fail picked an only squishy team. guess what... you FAIL PICKED!!! you FAIL PICK A LOT!! even as last pick you FAIL to address your team needs in term of weaknesses/strengths/synergy/enemy team champs and abilities. so don't complain when enemy got a little fed and you cant do SHYT. the very definition of teamwork is to think and play beyond your selfish self. and most of you guys FAIL to do JUST THAT in most of your selfish based greed driven decisions.
Agerune (EUW)
: normal draft: 5 times last pick in a row.
6 out of 7 selections last pick. will continue to update. last selection i asked who is premade. at least 1st and 2nd picks were. 3rd and 4th didn't answer.
Rioter Comments
huckasex (EUW)
: but muting will prevent you from getting punished as well and thats what this thread is about
no, this thread is about how 4 premades abuse solo random players, how solo players keep getting matched with them over and over, and why a true solo queue is needed.
huckasex (EUW)
: muting them prevents their toxicity to reach you after the game you report them and they get punished its not rocket science
u ignoring the most important thing of all. this is a game. a team game. when a team is hostile toward u, not just in words, but in action and inaction, that is just as bad as verbal assault, even worse. it sabotage you in game. you feel it. it makes it very hard for you to enjoy games and succeed. it is way more damaging than words, although it is usually accompanied by such. that is what u fail to see i guess... muting will not change what transpire.
huckasex (EUW)
: > if you think that i am the reason 4 premades are hostile and abusive toward my solo self, you're 98% wrong. never said anything like that. how you come to tha conclusion? > seem you didn't understand any of what i wrote in this thread. seems like you dont understand any of what i wrote on this thread
ignoring does not make it go away. it only block the chat. the hostility is still there. the sabotaging. the trolling. the let downs on teamwork that get you killed for no good reason. its not about chat. its about the reality behind it. which manifest in all level of game play. muting them in chat as a solution is equally dumb as putting your head in the sand.
huckasex (EUW)
: thats only half of the deal, yes you also have to stop flaming them
i rarely do. i usually aim for the very definition of good team player behavior. it makes no difference. if you think that i am the reason 4 premades are hostile and abusive toward my solo self, you're 98% wrong. the times i may have said something that could have triggered it, are at best an insignificant tiny fraction of it all. seem you didn't understand any of what i wrote in this thread.
Agerune (EUW)
: there have been a lot going on since my last post. many many many 4 premades abusing me in games. yesterday i got chat restricted again after having a bad day with a lot of premade abuse and reports. i did a mistake of talking back though, because at some point i got so mad. so 35 chat restrictions, no biggie. unless.... i'm gonna get a few more of what i got last game. i was playing normal draft. was 2nd pick, so i picked mid and said it in chat afterward so it will be clear. then this 4 premade team telling me to go someplace else, that mid belong to 4th pick and that i should do what they order me to. i told them i picked according to my pick order in my turn, and this is my turn to pick 2nd. then the verbal abuse began. and they all went mid except for vayne. fed like crazy. constant verbal abuse in chat. calling me a feeder over and over when i had 0 death, because not even truth will stand in the way of their abuse. saying REPORT YI REPORT YI on IMAGINARY events. i eneded up 8/1/X from all of that. and in the end got 4X reports for nothing. i didn't even say anything in game or in selection that warrant any reporting at all. absolutely 0 cause. but it doesn't matter. 4X premades report, and i get from that maybe 2-3X (because premade reports are weighted less or something). so a few more games like that, where i do nothing wrong, and get TONS of ABUSE, and then false reporting, and my chat restrictions will be doubled. isn't it enough that as solo player playing normal summoner rift games i get so many abusing 4 premades? isn't that punish enough? riot telling me i have to shut up and take it quietly. that's like gagging a ra*pe victim in response to the struggle. riot: "ok i see you 4 are ra*ping this 1, who started it?" 1st premade: him 2nd premade: him 3rd premade: him 4th premade: him solo random: them riot: "ok... lets count. 1 vs 4/1.5 so the ra*pe victim should be gagged while he get gangged. carry on." this is a big part of my gaming experience. too big to not be addressed by riot. SOLO PLAYERS NEED A TRUE SOLO-Q FOR NORMAL GAMES. STOP PREMADE ABUSE.
a game later i get another 4 premade team. and had the pleasure of getting jungler. bot stand near golems ready to take'em. mid stand under tower, ignoring my request ping for jungle cover. i asked simply why dont u cover? and their mid answered, "cause im an evil biach". their top came later and seem to be covering. but no... he just wanted to do wraiths while i do red. and their bot did golems while i do red. great start... already sabotaged and team turned hostile with absolutely no reason on my part. i did my best and we eventually won. but i had to go through hell to get there. it wasn't enjoyable at all. since my jungle got sabotaged by my entire team(which consist of 4 hostile abusive premades), i was way behind, and died much more than i should'v if i wasn't so sabotaged. so i got reported in the end for feeding with a score of 4/8/8. even though i did my best and we actually won, which wouldn't been possible without my efforts. a game later, i get another 4 premades. at first i didn't know it ofcourse. it started fine. everything was so nice and peaceful. felt good. i helped mid and top a lot, as they got traded badly in lanes. kept them floating. at minute 8 i died once. and their adc lashed at me, REPORT YI 4X. from then on it was focus yi for reporting. i actually did great in this game. but this bot lane just farmed and pushed bot. they never showed up for teamfights. never even came to defend base when enemy teamed and pushed mid. their support started coming later on. but their adc refused till the very last moment. i asked them is he your premade? yeah. but they didn't say anything to him, because he has premade immunity. he can act the worst way, verbal abuse me without good reason, refuse to cooperate with team entire game, and falsely report me at end game for just about every sick reason a hostile kid can invent. the thing is me and the other premades worked really well in the game, fully cooperating and successful mostly. still... it end with that vayne reporting me and says, 4x yi. who knows how many more decided to indulge him just because he's their premade. 3 games with 4 premades in a row. all end up with either 4X or 1X. all false, without any cause in my part AT ALL. that's exactly what it takes to get doubled restrictions. imagine that i get a few more like that and i LASH OUT or something being REASONABLY MAD with them 4 premades. that right there can get me chat restricted in the first place. and now i can be at my best behavior and i will get doubled. its SICK whats going on with 4 premades and a solo. riot should stop this on match making level. at least give us the tool to help normal mode solo players avoid being abused at such high levels. i feel like i'm part of a minority that is getting abused in game just to fill a role riot imagine the community need to have. that more and more players avoid playing solo in normal summoner rift. and as they do that i get more and more 4 premades. 3 games in a row. and that's not rare at all... i had a very high percentage of 4 premades in the last 2 days, overall its always a big part of being a solo player in normal mode. its statistical lows are still considerably high. its statistical high is sickening and maddening. no more... riot... no more... please... i don't want 4 premades ever again. why do you keep matching me with so many? i didn't sign up for that when i queue's solo. i just wanna play with other players who don't wanna waste time and effort on friend list management. i don't want to be a random in a wave of 4 premade's orange clockwork movie.
Nickry (EUW)
: I do not see the point of this point and am really having to try my best not to insult you.
point is to stop and think about this situation. so when it happens, you'll be ready to make the right decision. that's the point. i don't come here purely to complain or vent. i wanted to see what the community think about this situation. just minding it might help players make the right choice in the future.
Agerune (EUW)
: 4 premades abusing and reporting randoms.
there have been a lot going on since my last post. many many many 4 premades abusing me in games. yesterday i got chat restricted again after having a bad day with a lot of premade abuse and reports. i did a mistake of talking back though, because at some point i got so mad. so 35 chat restrictions, no biggie. unless.... i'm gonna get a few more of what i got last game. i was playing normal draft. was 2nd pick, so i picked mid and said it in chat afterward so it will be clear. then this 4 premade team telling me to go someplace else, that mid belong to 4th pick and that i should do what they order me to. i told them i picked according to my pick order in my turn, and this is my turn to pick 2nd. then the verbal abuse began. and they all went mid except for vayne. fed like crazy. constant verbal abuse in chat. calling me a feeder over and over when i had 0 death, because not even truth will stand in the way of their abuse. saying REPORT YI REPORT YI on IMAGINARY events. i eneded up 8/1/X from all of that. and in the end got 4X reports for nothing. i didn't even say anything in game or in selection that warrant any reporting at all. absolutely 0 cause. but it doesn't matter. 4X premades report, and i get from that maybe 2-3X (because premade reports are weighted less or something). so a few more games like that, where i do nothing wrong, and get TONS of ABUSE, and then false reporting, and my chat restrictions will be doubled. isn't it enough that as solo player playing normal summoner rift games i get so many abusing 4 premades? isn't that punish enough? riot telling me i have to shut up and take it quietly. that's like gagging a ra*pe victim in response to the struggle. riot: "ok i see you 4 are ra*ping this 1, who started it?" 1st premade: him 2nd premade: him 3rd premade: him 4th premade: him solo random: them riot: "ok... lets count. 1 vs 4/1.5 so the ra*pe victim should be gagged while he get gangged. carry on." this is a big part of my gaming experience. too big to not be addressed by riot. SOLO PLAYERS NEED A TRUE SOLO-Q FOR NORMAL GAMES. STOP PREMADE ABUSE.
: And your are still as skilled as them overall. So what can you, personally, learn from it? what can you do to improve yourself? at what are they better then you that you got matched with them?
you can't even address the strategic situation. all you do is go personal with pathetic insults on a "your mama" level. what are you, in kinder garden?
Rioter Comments
shiloe (EUW)
: Rework leblanc
i got 3 things to say to you and your team. don't fail pick. be pro active insuring she doesn't get strong. build to fit.
Quiz (EUNE)
: How come I can't play any of the so called "noob" champions?
people just annoyed by how easy it is for enemy to dominate once you get fed as yi. same for kata. that's why they say "noob champs". because its so called "easy" to kill with them once you're fed. yi get the most "in team" hostility in lol. you will get more hostile sabotaging uncooperative attitude from your team than ANY other champ. he will also get TONS of focus from enemy teams. and if you think its easy to lane with him, you're WRONG WRONG WRONG. it takes some really smart strategy to be able to take off with yi vs many champs in current meta. try joining team builder as yi and see how many will kick you. try to start team builder as yi and see how many will quit right after they join and see you. most junglers will have negative attitude toward you just because you're yi. and premades will overwhelmingly be hostile and uncooperative to you because (A) that's how most of them behave toward randoms and (B) its enhanced by 400% by you picking yi (C) double all that if you yi mid because that's not meta and considered by many as "trolling". so next time you get you ass kicked by a good enemy yi, and think about trying it yourself... think again... you better off jumping into a toxic waste barrel. if you still wanna get good with yi, start by playing tons of dominions. btw the reason you're doing good with champs like velk but not with close ranged assassins, is because you aren't experienced/skilled enough to deal with close range combat, where there's very little room for mistakes. you need to be smarter, faster, and wiser, to be able to handle squishy melee assassins in varied compositions/situations. it require accurate analysis of complex events, which require deep understanding of all champs mechanics and play styles. like i said... best place to train assassins is dominion.
: I don't feel like i'm improving
there are no rules to being a good player. some people will tell you have 0 death and high cs and lots of kills. any half brained player who play selfish to the point of sabotaging and destructive(to team) can do that. but at what cost? you can save yourself if you stay in base and do nothing, or just be wherever enemy team isn't. you can have high cs by farming everywhere you can, while avoiding enemy team. you can have high kills by engaging late after your team weakened enemies and payed a high price for it. that's not good playing at all. that is sabotage. many players are sabotaging their own teams, while not even realizing that's what they do. because all they see in front of their eyes is their own 1.2.3 selfish goals. they're absolutely blind to everything else. they have no grasp on macro level reading of map events. on their influence, or lack of it. they don't understand(or want to understand) time critical events, and opportunities for taking actions that can change the course of games. for example a player who farm while his lane enemies roam, will forever cause his team to be outnumbered. an active functional enemy team can use his absence to win fights and goals over and over. he might get away with it if team have good map control and they're ahead. it might even pay off later on to him and team. but more often than not, his team will pay high price for it. and that STUPID player will later on think that his team are bad and he is good, just because they died more and he got higher cs and kills. while all this time he was the main cause his team were in decline. there isn't a rule you can go by. it takes experience to know what can and should be done at every given time. but the signs to players biggest faults are usually there for all to see. things like a jungler standing near golems, not moving with his team to engage enemies. standing there watching events, seeing his team get first blood, and second kill, and then give 3 kills to enemy team because he couldn't bother to move. that jungler, or adc, or support, or mid, or top, that does not respond. that is right there a sign of things to come. it will manifest entire game in many ways, in many times. those players are just NONE RESPONSIVE, they are PASSIVE, they are DETACHED, and they will LET YOU DOWN. so the lesson i give you from all of this is: be responsive. don't look for reasons why it wouldn't work, or why it cant be done. back your team up, ready to give 100%. it is better to try and fail, than not to try at all. and teamwork is bigger than everything. a willing team is a winning team.
Dagnet (EUW)
: We need 10 champion bans per game
i just opened a thread yesterday or the day before about the same thing more or less. i noticed that in the ban box space in the bottom of each team side, below the 3 icons of the banned champions, there is space for 2 more at the same column. and if you split the box to 2 columns, you can even fit 10 in EACH SIDE. so i suggested next funky game mode should be MEGA BAN MODE. which each team banning 10 champions, up to a total of 20. some dude thought it would take forever to start a game. so i suggested a few solutions. such as: 1) making ban timer shorter. 2) making so that both team leaders can ban at the same time without having to wait for one another. 3) make each member of the teams ban 2 champions(also free ban without waiting for others). so in fact not only can this be done easily using the already available space. but it can also be done in a way that will make starting a game even FASTER than it is now.
icespirit12 (EUNE)
: it will just take too long time man... {{summoner:3}}
not if the timer will get shorter after every ban, rushing people to ban faster, while allowing them to get their bearing to begin with. you can even shorten the champion pick timer for players after the bans. that way you could squeeze the whole process to an even shorter time than the normal draft mode. another idea is to give each of the 10 teams memebrs 2 bans. and let all of them ban at the same time. OMG that would be GREAT.
Rioter Comments
Messeery (EUNE)
: Help me.. I suck.
looks like: A) you're not ready for ranked. play more normals till you feel more confident in your abilities. B) improve the things you know are a weakness of yours. including CS/Roaming/Warding. 1) CS is a matter of timing, so work out measuring incoming damage by looking at the volleys. you should then know when to hit before its visible. don't try to calculate using actual math, just feel it like you feel the rain. your mind have the ability to do the rest to a great accuracy. 2) Roaming is a matter of opportunity and readiness. keep and eye out for opportunities: like pushed lanes and/or low hp enemies. also make sure to check out map a lot, and be responsive to events that require your early arrival to succeed. especially in jungle/river. 3) Warding is a matter of timing and position. ward when hp is getting low and you fear incoming jungler. ward to defend your jungle if enemy invade it all the time. knowing which side of his jungle enemy jungler is can be important to you in lane positioning, and can enable you and your team opportunities to mess with enemy jungle/steal/gank. C) your picks are all over the place. stick to limited options for each role and practice till you know them very well. ranked games should not be used for basic training. make sure you have a good roster for each and every role. try to get a "counter" for difficult champs you "encounter"(it rhymes). as for long range burst mages, lux, xerath, ziggs, malz, etc.. if you're confident in your ability to avoid taking damage / getting jumped on, try a neat recipe of mine. its called "rising tide". a mix of runes and masteries to create an ever rising tide of increasing mana regen power. and play proxy spamming style. you can check that rune page in my EUW profile. just remember, if you cant avoid taking damage as you trade, you better go with more balanced rune page.
: You see it as a perfect chance, he doesn't. Who would thought that people's opinions differ.
i don't think those jungler see it at all. they just stuck in default mode where after they give blue they keep farming jungle. if i ping early enough some of them will come on time. others just ignore it because they want to finish item or get level 6. they just fail to recognize that this IS the perfect moment to act as team. i got level 6 and a buff. enemy jungler dont have level 6 either. sometimes everyone have level 6. its 3rd blue buff. and still, same thing happens. i KNOW with 100% certainty that this is the time to act. and if only jungler would come at that moment, nothing can go wrong. it is my job as mid to carry team. to act and assist team everywhere on map whenever possible. to be there not just to react, but to shape events. that is also the jungler job. which make sense to teamwork together on ganks. some of those bad junglers never do that. they never SEEK to execute a combined gank on bot or top with their own mid. and that is why ganks fail, both for the jungler ganking other lanes and mid ganking other lanes. THAT is the reason. its not a difference in opinion over what is best to do next. its how players apply themselves to game events, to the map, to team. while in my "opinion" a combined gank joined by jungler+mid on other lanes is something to apply whenever possible, in some junglers "opinion" that option does not even exist as a "tool".
Karmoon (EUW)
: This is the *fundamental evil* nature of solo players trying to play a team game. As you can clearly see here, the solo player strongly advocates *slavery* and believes he is part of some kind of ***mid-lane master race***. For a start, it assumes that it will always be entitled to blue buff. Entitlement and priveledge are what destroys the modern world. We can learn this from many great philosophers we see on tumblr. So now, the cat is truly out of the proverbial bag. We have a player who openly discourages people from play LoL - a team based game together. Why? So he can ***BULLY*** players with his **chaotic-evil** selfishness. Separate and divide. It is the oldest trick in the book. Look at the modern state of Africa. The entire continent still suffers because of people like Agerune, this ****EVIL**** solo player who seeks to divide friends, rip apart ***families*** just so he can impose his will upon them ***FOR HIS OWN BENEFIT***. He talks about 'ganking together', but just think. What do you think will happen if the jungler gets the kill? That's right, another thread about how junglers shouldn't KS from the midlaner. Just more ***EVIL*** manipulation in the typical style of someone brain washed by modern media. This is pure *evil* and we must ***NOT*** stand for it. I stand with Rosa Parks and many other great people against this evil attitude that ruins LoL on a daily basis for many innocent players just wanting to have some fun. So play with friends so you don't have to suffer jerks like this guy ordering you about.
i don't care who gets the kill. i never did. as a jungler i watch lanes carefully. recognize when hp's are low and if i can i come to make sure things go our way. in any role i play im very responsive to pings. as mid im always trying to backup my team and steer events on global scale, because mid is the glue that bind the map. one might say that on many games with bad passive junglers, i even did the jungler work for them, which was the only reason we won. your post is pure guano, and have nothing to do with reality. passive farming junglers do exist. and some as is shown in my example, fail or late to act even on the perfect moments for teamwork.
: You don't know what he was thinking so don't think you know what is best for him
its not about him. its not even about me. its about the team. its about mid just got blue, and both jungler and mid are standing near blue. at that moment there are several paths, several timelines if you will, that can follow. 1) a very strong attack on bot made by mid+jungler meeting with adc+support can be done. 2) jungler and mid can go gank enemy mid, and then follow a joint attack everywhere they wish, including dragon, while having a guaranteed advantage in force. the worst possible path/timeline is where jungler go back to farming while him and his mid are in perfect conditions. leaving his mid to waste blue while being defensive, or dieing trying to pull off a failed possibly outnumbered fight/teamfight. its very clear at that point which way things can go. its a question of being passive and let enemy dictate events, or take actions into your own hands, ensuring success for your team. but when a passive jungler cannot recognize the best moment his team can act in, and fail his ACTIVE team members on those perfect moments, it is not because he thought better of it. it it because he didn't care to think at all.
: Maybe he saw something you didn't who knows!
he didn't. in fact, i managed to gank bot lane and got a kill. 1 enemy escape, which probably wouldn't have if out jungler came too. it WAS the PERFECT time for him to join me on a gank. and he CHOOSE not to, for no good reasons at all. and this is something that happens a lot. junglers fail to recognize the perfect moments to join team actions. im talking about PERFECT moments. such as which under inspection of replays cannot be denied as PERFECT. but i wish to focus on that specific easy to frame situation. mid just got blue, everything is perfect for a joint gank. all you have to do as jungler, is be aware of that moment and what it mean. that's all i wanted from opening this thread.
: Stop being so salty before you get a heart attack the jungler doesn't gank every second of the match you know!
im not talking about every second. im talking about the PERFECT moment for jungler to teamwork with you. that is my whole point. if even in the PERFECT moment they choose to passive farm, how can your team win that game unless they carry against the odds?
Kolfin (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Agerune,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pYupUaL8,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-31T12:53:46.826+0000) > > yes i did. > did you even care to read? The jungler is not your dog. And have others things to manage, you are not the only one in game.
that's what makes it so wrong. i WAS trying to take care of OTHERS. with TEAM interest in mind. not MINE. there is no I in team.
Rich (EUW)
: I can see that everyone clearly agrees with the point you're trying to make. This point has a point right? No? Okay.
criticism of junglers is obviously a touchy subject. and the way i phrased my original message was provoking and personal. so i got quite a few downvotes for that. but even after rephrasing it seem like people prefer to justify bad junglers in any case.
Neonchan (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Agerune,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pYupUaL8,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-31T12:30:46.078+0000) > > what other plans? > doing frog and finishing some item? > > you clearly ignoring the example i have given. > both mid and jungler in excellent condition. > mid just got blue. > they are both standing at the exact same spot. > there is no better time for teamwork. > > games cannot be won without actions. > and there are moments that are perfect for actions. > it cannot be more perfect then when jungler give mid a buff and they both in excellent condition. You gave an example between all the shouting, ranting an QQing?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
he was just passive farming. it doesn't matter if he wanted farm for an item. or xp for a level. those moments are the BEST moment to act and make a successful kill. there i am with blue and full hp, want to make a use of it. perhaps help bot lane, which might need it badly. and my jungler is going on faming vacation. its a travesty.
: and you had vision over that whole section of map not to be countered by another person like idk the enemy jungle?
i had a vision of success by teamwork. the will to act. the perfect time and positioning. and a buff. i even had a few kills, and a power gap. and even if not, can there be a better time to try and surprise enemy with a successful gank? the only way things can go wrong, is if our jungler go away farming, and enemy jungler arrive to outnumber me. but many junglers fail to recognize that moment. that moment that action should be taken, that teamwork is required. they're attracted to farming in an irrational way. there is no better moment than that moment to move with mid for team action. and failing to understand and respond to that moment, is a testify to bad jungling. your attempt to paint a reality where that jungler had better understanding and vision of map than me, which somehow justify his passive farming in that moment, could not be more FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
: The difference is that the jungler had a plan ready for himself or saw that the opportunity you saw was not ideal to gank, you can rant about a jungler but he does not make ganks 24/7 he needs to beef up and farm himself too :p
what other plans? doing frog and finishing some item? you clearly ignoring the example i have given. both mid and jungler in excellent condition. mid just got blue. they are both standing at the exact same spot. there is no better time for teamwork. games cannot be won without actions. and there are moments that are perfect for actions. it cannot be more perfect then when jungler give mid a buff and they both in excellent condition.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
can you not see the wrong in that jungler behavior in the example i provided? is the only wrong you can see is me pointing out the wrong of those junglers in that moment? since when teamwork is something to avoid? since when a detached uncooperative jungler is something to defend? how about advocating working with your own team? how come that is so hard for you jungler to do? instead of saying: yeah.. that sound like a big mistakes that jungler has made, which should be avoided, you go saying: "no criticism of junglers should be allowed".
Rioter Comments
Neonchan (EUW)
: Perhaps you should just not play blind pick. Shoutfestival is perhaps not the smartest way to distribute positions and rolls..especially with a non-sync chat
perhaps riot should give each player in blind pick a 10 second window where he can pick and lock BEFORE others can. starting with randomized priority lottery, like they do in draft. after player lock, and next window start. so teams can still lock early if they don't delay. that will solve A LOT of conflicts. but... does RIOT CARE? it seem like RIOT couldn't give a SHYT about normal blind pick. nor to they seem to care about problems premades cause to solo players. THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM. because MANY of those problems COULD and still CAN been solved, if riot would DO something about it. plenty of options available.
lewski (EUNE)
: You don't need the excessive caps and exclamation marks you're using. It won't make me take you any more seriously. I've personally never had four premades abusing me, nor have I or my friends abused anyone when we have four premades, so I can't relate that well. I know you didn't say all premades are a-holes, but MynadarkCZ did. "Not to mention premades are always a**holes towards the rest of the team." I know there are premades abusing the solo players and I'm not ignoring it, nor did I in any way say I am. How exactly are you going to prevent premades people abusing others? The only way to do that would be to remove the premade system completely, which wouldn't be fun at all. Riot can't force people to not be rude, disrespectful or abusive. You can only report them and move on.
when i type i usually say it in my mind as well. its a written version of actual audible sentences. and if i were to raise my voice in order to EMPHASIS certain words in my audible version of the sentences, i transfer that into written word as well. its just a form of expression. conveying some anger, no doubt, as for how premade abuse can be fixed, there are several solutions. 1) give players a fixed switch-like option(disabled by default) to be matched only with solo players in normal games. 2) match duo's with trio's and disable quadro's. (as far as im concerned they can get the 5th from lobby if they have to) 3) inform solo players of premades and their composition(2 duo's, 1 trio, or a quadro) in the [match found] confirmation box, and give solo players the chance to avoid the match if they so choose. and in ANY case, inform!! solo players who is premade with who by making graphical representation, either lines connecting them or colors or something. this should be visible the entire game in every window where players info is shown. in selection, in TAB window within game itself, and in after game statistic window. people should KNOW when jungler and top are a duo. it wont solve a jungler who neglect his team in order to please his b**tbuddy, but it sure hell make it clear why things are happening the way they are. and once they visible, things might either change for better, or allow players to see understand and adapt to situations BEFORE its too late. right now there is no visibility AT ALL! premades troll their own teams under the cover of darkness. there is absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER to DENY players this information. im sure that given this information, more and more solo players would RUN LIKE HELL to avoid playing with premades. as they will see and understand CLEARLY, why things are happening the way they do.
TestosZ (EUNE)
: Ask your friends to start playing LoL. Boom, no more solo :^)
at best that would cover a couple hours here and there couple times a week. and at that rate it would mean having to babysit a bunch of new players for a long long time.
: Give me tips on how to improve.
work on champs mechanics. knowledge is power. know your enemy, know yourself. what can be done? how much can be done in a time frame? where are the lines? work on you inner clock, reaction times, reflxes. move, attack, move, attack, attack-move, reposition. a lot can be happening on a very short time. you need the ability to understand and act in those moments. hesitation can get you killed, but also carelessness, so find the balance. work on your thought process, decision making, prioritizing. don't let lesser objectives stop you from reaching larger objectives in time. should i stop for buff or go straight to team? should i farm lane or make sure my team don't lose fight somewhere else? be active, not passive. take actions, don't let enemy team dictate when and where. make them late for something. early bird gets the worm. work on your awareness. map awareness, keep looking at the map and know where enemies are at any given time. when did they leave base? where can be by now? how long do i have to act before more will come? before my team will come? what side is their jungler? maybe i should put a ward to find out. i might even surprise him when he's low hp and take him AND the buffs. team awareness. where is my team, what do they do? can i count on them to reach me in time? do we have ulti's? do we have mana? should i signal retreat? be a better jungler. a better baiter, and ambusher. what's going on in lanes? are enemy pushing? are they over aggressive? are they quick to go all in? gank them a lot if the do. is mid about to go somewhere action is about to start, or already has? perhaps you can ambush him on the way, and attack while he look somewhere else rushing to get there. strength can become a weakness. use enemy force against him. that is the way of jujutsu. even a subtle move against aggressive opponent can make him lose ground or waste his energy. play mind games with enemies and with possibilities. what do they think of? what are they after? make a move left, but go right. know what enemies can do, with and without flash and ulti. ask yourself, what if? what if? are they afraid of my jungler coming because he came often? are they afraid of me? can i act as if i got backup and deny them farm? what if they jump me suddenly? position and timing is everything. fortune favors the bold. luck shine on those that are prepared.
Shozis (EUNE)
: Four Premades at their Finest
if i took pictures every time premades abused me. or better yet if i RECORDED the VIDEO of that game. and SHOWED YOU all the forms their abuse TAKE in ACTUAL PLAY. you would be AMAZED and ENRAGED to the highest levels of AMAZRAGETY.
lewski (EUNE)
: Premades are NOT always a-holes. You can't always even tell whether people are premade or not. Please don't generalize.
you're right. premades are NOT always a-holes. i never claimed they are. some of them are AWESOME. and i have played with some of those AWESOME premades. BUT, the statistical fact, and its PURE LOGIC, is that 4 will tend to view the random as OUTSIDER. which lead to more forms of NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR toward that solo random. its psychology. you cant ignore that on a global level. it exist. when you get 4 players rallied against you for whatever reason that their minds generate. its FAR FAR WORSE than having a 1 a-hole in your team giving you trouble. so you cant say that there is a balance. that sometimes solo players are also a-holes. although its true, it does not change the fact that dedicated solo players will get much HARSHER ABUSE, and more BAD EXPERIENCES that 4 premades will get. and THAT'S gotta CHANGE. think about it. the matchmaking system FORCING solo players like me into those HARSH situations. there is NO WORSE situation to BE IN. NONE!!! and as solo player the matchmaking system will have a MATHEMATICAL TENDENCY to create for you as MANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS as IT CAN. the only one who could be matched with 4 premades is a SOLO PLAYER!!!!!!!!!! ITS A SET UP!!!
: Yeah I know so yi is gone for good, and thanks gods for that. I'm not gonna discuss if yi is viable pick, cause it might work vs some comps, why not. I totally see random guys raging over that pick, and you being reported if you fail. I don't think thou those reports count towards ur current restriction. I don't believe only premades rage at you. 75 cr you got is from you talking back, instead just muting them.
AP YI is not gone for good. the new AD YI is still the exact same ap yi. only it works on ad items doing ad dmg. but function the same way as before. they even improved it. because now your AD added to Q instead of your AP. so you get EVERYTHING from your ITEMS.
TestosZ (EUNE)
: Mute them all ^^ I usually play with 3 of my friends too. One of them used to flame a lot but I explained him what happens if he rages at a teammate... Even if we are all on skype, we still use pings for the other member of the team to be able to synchronize with us. Also, when I play jungle and I'm with my friends on skype, I usually leave blue to mid (no matter if we are premade) and red to adc (still no matter if we are premade). Not all groups premades are the same, but I've met some toxic teams too.
muting them does not solve the problem. quitting the game and starting a new one in a 2nd account would've been a FINE solution. but riot made that impossible with their quit punishing system. you see,.. what pisses me most is not the fact that they abuse on chat. is not the fact that they do self report which bump up my REVIEW and get me chat restricted(for other things i did which might be punishable). what pisses me most, what damaging me on the long term, is that i get too many abusing teams on the GAME PLAY LEVEL. their ACTIONS and INACTIONS in the GAME ITSELF is destructive. and added to accumulated hours on hours, it is a form of TORTURE. having 1 jerk in team is bad enough but you can deal with it. you still have room to create something to teamwork and PLAY. even 2 might still leave room for SOMETHING to be done. but when you get 4 like that, it is nothing but YOU getting ABUSED EVERYWHERE ON MAP. even accepting that there is nothing you can do, and running around for 40 minutes trying to exploit somehow situations to your benefit, because you know your team is set to sabotage you and wont back you up at all in fights, is DAMAGING to YOU as a PLAYER and a PERSON. this is the TRUE form of TOXICITY. and its POISONOUS on LARGE DOSES. the reason i feel so strong about it is because i had days where i got TOO MUCH of THOSE 4 PREMADES. for MANY HOURS ON HOURS. it is UNACCEPTABLE that matchmaking system does that to solo players. even if its not COMMON. even if its just 1 day every 7 days of play. its still a form of TORTURE. add that day and another day and another like that for years. how can some1 not take offense by it?
Karmoon (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Agerune,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Zs0KWXBP,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2015-03-25T18:14:37.196+0000) > > they practically sanctioned a form of slave abuse and inequality. ... Lol xD I've heard some complete nonsense concerning premade paranoia before, but you have just won something for this quote xD You can't be serious by bringing slavery into it?
i am talking about a YEAR where solo players were FORCED by the MATCHMAKING SYSTEM to be almost ALWAYS last picks in normal draft. imagine you're a solo player playing only normal draft for that year. really... cut the bullshyt, close your eyes and imagine that year.
huckasex (EUW)
: yes, it is your fault, and yours only you can always ignore them
i see, you think if i mute them all in chat then problem solved?
: Wut? Do you realise that report=/= punishment? Do you realise that 4 premade report = 1 report? Do you realise that unmoivated report = complete loss of value of your reports and potential exceptional ban? Do you realise that incentive to bring positivity =/= incentive to bring negativity?
do you realize that all of that doesn't matter? what matter is what THEY think. and the fact is i get those 4 hostile antagonizing premade bullies threatening and reporting 4X almost every day. sometimes for hours in a row. its the result of RIOT education program which GAVE PRIORITY to premades in normal draft selection. turning the solo players to mostly last pickers. and the premades to knowingly abusing that fact to deny solo players fair chance at roles other than support and sometimes(if you lucky) jungler. it went like that for a year. while riot didn't even acknowledged the problem. as they saw it the premades were the majority and it wass basically "their game" and "their right" to get first picks and run things as the"better communicating" major force within the team. they practically sanctioned a form of slave abuse and inequality. at those times you'd see premades piss going to their head so to speak. i was shouted at by power hungry jerks as if i were their slave. some of them even used that word as they commanding me in the most humiliating way, threatening 4X. back then 4X reporting did exist... so it doesn't matter what i think about this incentive. it matter what they do. once they start with the negative shyt, there is no escape. they will report you nomatter what you do. usually they will try to sabotage you to the point you are far behind and unable to make kills, having lots of deaths, so they can report you for feeding intentionally. and then they will lie in game chat as to give "credibility" to their lie in the eyes of tribunal or whoever review that game in the future. at the very least they will just be the added reports that were needed to get you reviewed, which will almost always end up finding something on you to stick.
Karmoon (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Agerune,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Zs0KWXBP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-03-25T17:15:46.346+0000) > > sound like it will just make the matter worse regarding premades bullying threatening and abusing solo players. > > DO AS WE SAY SLAVE! > OR 4X!!! and you get banned, plus no BONUS!!! > > what do they care anyway? > they already dirty, who cares about being clean. > only the clean. > so the dirty can add extra extortion to their gig. > > who benefit? It's true. When I play by myself i'm a normal, morally-upstanding player. But as soon as I get into a premade I start becoming evil and eating babies. I froth at the mouth and abuse women. It's a good chap this person's scientific observations enlighten us to this crazy phenomena.
i'll tell you what i told others already. there are premades @$$H*les and solo @$$H*les. but there is no equality in the damage and amount of abuse between what 1 can do to 4 and what 4 can do to 1. and that's beside the fact that 1 wolf will not dare do what 4 wolves will. having a gang increase tendencies for aggression and antagonizing others. even cowards will act brave when having more cowards at their side. and groups LOVE to hate minorities. it is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN! when i have a hostile jungler, or a hostile bot lane, or a hostile top lane, i can always go initiate cooperation somewhere else. but when entire team is sabotaging you, its plain and simple the highest level of abuse a player can get in league of legends. get that inside your hard head. its nice that you don't encounter them often i encounter them way more than i'd like to.
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