: > [{quoted}](name=B4skerville,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u5jB0zLF,comment-id=0003000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-10-17T21:01:06.178+0000) > > If you would look at his posts and thread you would know he suggests it as an item for AP champs vs veigar, so read before you comment. I'm again betting you're low gold at best. Low silver even. Because if you believe building quicksilver sash against Veigar is a bad idea and would leave your team 4v5 you're not getting anywhere higher.
Then your betting wrong, as last time when i played rankeds more then 10 per season (as lack of time) i had 2100 elo rating (that was quite long ago)... But what can i say, you dont even cant read, as im not sugesting to build QSS moron, but the guy im commenting on is suggesting. So dont believe who is on what Elo, but first learn to read genius (as with that lack of reading i bet your skills are corresponing to it in lvl and your probably on bronze). Remember first learn to read, then learn english, then talk on forums... not the other way around genius
Sarokh (EUNE)
: Yep. EU > China, Taiwan, NA, BR Next: Korea. Question: Does fnatic have any chance against SKT T1?
On last tourney they went 2:3 vs SKT so they have chance, the thing is if they will use it (and first ist still semi's)
: Well I think it's more fnatic>China... h2k didn't exactly fair to well vs the Chinese team in their group and origen's didn't exactly show up this time But we will have to see how they do against a Korean team next week with KOO/KT then either the giants of the tournament SKT (unlikely to win but oh well) or origen which would be a free win for fnatic in theory (but if origen beat SKT then EU<everyone this year).
H2K was 3rd placed team, and they did pretty ok considering they had 2 free loses vs SKT ;)
: > [{quoted}](name=B4skerville,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u5jB0zLF,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-16T13:22:45.917+0000) > > ok Go buy QSS on your AP carry, and all 5 ppl in my team will laugh and report you as your making your team purposly lose by trolling with items :D. I'm betting low gold at best.
If you would look at his posts and thread you would know he suggests it as an item for AP champs vs veigar, so read before you comment.
EDYinnit (EUW)
: I couldn't give even the loftiest of flying fucks about whether or not Veigar gets nerfed. Point is he probably doesn't need it, idiots are exaggerating as always. Hell, shouldn't I be in favour of the nerf if anything, considering I never play him and only face him? I posted on most comments because the board's slow otherwise at the moment, and due to RL things I don't have large spaces of time to commit to doing something that requires consistent action. Typing a comment doesn't need much or contiguous time. Veigar 'gets more AP' than other mages, but they all have their own functions - like larger _scaling_ on what they _do_ buy, or safety in delivering damage, or mobility, or anything else. You're hilariously tunnel-visioned and resorting to ad hominem attack to 'win' the 'argument'. Please do continue. Is it you going around downvoting all my other comments here too? If so, how childish.
And yes you cant shut up... so it seems it rly butthurted you that he is getting nerfed. Since ppl who dont play him or dont care dont spend so much time reposting to every fucking post on every veigar nerf thread like you (yes your the only one on this forums that does so - so you must be extreamly butt hurt)
EDYinnit (EUW)
: I bought Veigar as my first ever champ, doesn't mean shit. That's cool that you know the range and all, I knew the range and perimeter before the rework. You still get time to dodge now, to proactively avoid the spell. What was it before? Run cleanse/QSS or die? Hardly worse now than it ever has been...
ok Go buy QSS on your AP carry, and all 5 ppl in my team will laugh and report you as your making your team purposly lose by trolling with items :D. Damn stop crying you little girl and accept the fact he gets what he needed ty to overbuffing. And btw, how could you know the range ect so exacly where almost none ppl plays him and you dont play him like you said earlier? wow dude you just spam bullshit on forums because the angry kid who lost his best laner because it needed a nerf. Damn i see under every post your reposnce... you rly must be butthurt from the nerf LOL. Good thing i stopped playing league seriously after S1-2 because of the kiddos crying whole time. I miss the beta times where there were serious players around and almost no crying kids and raging whole time because they are bad. Be happy that at least now you have some time to see the spell, before rework you would probably get raped every time veigar had ult and wall up.
EDYinnit (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=B4skerville,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u5jB0zLF,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-10-16T12:23:45.792+0000) > > Wow thats a realy stupid argument there... > first of all, Veigar can now farm stacks faster then nasus ty to his recent farm buffs, > 2nd Veigar benefits his stacks on ALL 3 abilities, where nasus on ONE MELEE TO IT. Veigar gets 0.6, 1.0 and 1.0 damage per stack. Nasus gets 3 damage per stack. Both double on champs/siege/large monsters. Veigar's cooldowns are also larger than Nasus'. It's not possible for Veigar to always doubleQ a pair of minions. He needs to avoid pushing (squishy), and poke the other laner (immobile, so probably getting poked himself) > If you say that veigar ult getting stronger is fault of enemy AP build AP... then now i know why there are such nonsense written in your thread. > Veigar ult will always scale with enemy, and there is nothingh the enemy can do about it either to build 0 AP (and not like in that link you made - half of the build you suggested dont work for more then few champs, and to it they reduce the dmg by 5-10% max by sacrificing way more for most champs = a bad idea that will probably cost you the game). "Half of __the__ build"? I presented several different options. One of them is even still burst focused (pen first over AP). Reducing the damage isn't the entire equation. Adding beefiness (ROA/Rylai, MR) doesn't reduce damage, but it stops you being oneshot from your own AP. Yes, it's _your fault_ if you _die to Veigar's ult_ because you built Mejai's and Rabadon when you killed him early on. You know it scales with your AP. Why are you going glass cannon and letting him walk up to you? Meanwhile, it only being 80% of your AP means that you need 80 HP for every 100 AP you buy to even it out. It's not exactly a lot, now is it? You're getting 400+ from Rylai/RoA... which is enough to defend the damage from you having 500 AP. > To it recent lane farm BIG BUFFS got him out of hand to a place where with morellos only you can 1 shot ppl already and we forget his stun wall utility to it - that isnt balanced at all, as what you saw even in Worlds where such a weak team like C9 was owning way stronger team ty to Veigar 1 shotting almost anyone in their team while he wasnt fed. > Ofc he deserves a special team setup and care, but still he currently gets his scaling to early considering he has double tripple scaling (stacks, enemy AP, your AP). If by "buffs to farm" you mean "can farm _at all_ when in a bad matchup". Morello is 80 AP. That's 208 damage _before resists_. So scary. It's not like he scales higher with AP from items.. he just has his own source of AP as well. Sort of like Viktor does with his Core giving him AP/level. Veigar's cage used to be instant and still didn't get people crying about it all day. Its current delay and all the counterplay in the world from Tenacity/QSS/Cleanse is fine. > He deserves the nerfs (like darius) so stop crying. I don't even play him. You're the one crying.
Im crying? im not the one with the irrational thread and crying to not nerf viegar LOL, the nerf is a fact comming and you cry like a little girl. And yes when you get 80ap + around 100 ap extra from stacks if you can good farm or more on 1st item buy IT IS OP, as any other mages have around half of the dmg in that time as veigar. So dont bitch around forums with your nonsens postings (on every comment like a little girl on a period) and accept the fact, he needs it and he will get it
EDYinnit (EUW)
: If you let Veigar walk up to 650 range without being stunned beforehand you deserve it, it's no different than letting Annie walk up to you (Tibbers has 600 range point of cast and 290 additional radius = 890 engage range _without flash_). Except Veigar only kills one target, not three at a time.
I guarantee you i will stun you with veigar at least every 2nd time, as i know his cages range exacly and have it on smartcast (and play him from 5 years already)... so either you will have flash every 15-20s or you will get shitted on. His lane farm buffs means he stacks faster and gets AP items faster - currently its to fast and needs a tuning... Its not your skill that lets you farm on veigar now, its the champ.
EDYinnit (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=B4skerville,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u5jB0zLF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-16T11:26:17.131+0000) > > Because his scaling speed was to much buffed, its not like nasus where you need to afk farm 20-25minutes to be usefull Veigar gets less damage on any given target per stack than Nasus _at the moment_, even without this nerf. >he has his ult that even if he is underfarmed and raped on lane, the more enemy AP is stronger, the stronger Veigar himself is also That's the enemy AP player's fault for not _building for the game they're playing_, instead _just following the same old glass cannon items and order_. [As I expose in my thread here.](http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/HlWVFq0E-if-you-ever-feel-like-posting-q-q-veigars-ultimate-does-damage-when-i-am-the-one-whos-ahead)
> [{quoted}](name=EDYinnit,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u5jB0zLF,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-10-16T11:42:08.962+0000) > > Veigar gets less damage on any given target per stack than Nasus _at the moment_, even without this nerf. Wow thats a realy stupid argument there... first of all, Veigar can now farm stacks faster then nasus ty to his recent farm buffs, 2nd Veigar benefits his stacks on ALL 3 abilities, where nasus on ONE MELEE TO IT. > That's the enemy AP player's fault for not _building for the game they're playing_, instead _just following the same old glass cannon items and order_. > [As I expose in my thread here.](http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/HlWVFq0E-if-you-ever-feel-like-posting-q-q-veigars-ultimate-does-damage-when-i-am-the-one-whos-ahead) If you say that veigar ult getting stronger is fault of enemy AP build AP... then now i know why there are such nonsense written in your thread. Veigar ult will always scale with enemy, and there is nothingh the enemy can do about it either to build 0 AP (and not like in that link you made - half of the build you suggested dont work for more then few champs, and to it they reduce the dmg by 5-10% max by sacrificing way more for most champs = a bad idea that will probably cost you the game). To it recent lane farm BIG BUFFS got him out of hand to a place where with morellos only you can 1 shot ppl already and we forget his stun wall utility to it - that isnt balanced at all, as what you saw even in Worlds where such a weak team like C9 was owning way stronger team ty to Veigar 1 shotting almost anyone in their team while he wasnt fed. Ofc he deserves a special team setup and care, but still he currently gets his scaling to early considering he has double tripple scaling (stacks, enemy AP, your AP). He deserves the nerfs (like darius) so stop crying.
JQKAndrei (EUW)
: Wasn't really a clear stomp, they throwed few times. They went from 1-4 for OG to 8-4 for FW then again 8-9 and again 13-9.
Learn to read... the 4th game was a stomp, not all 4... geez kids these days...
EUS Zhu (EUW)
: EPIC SOAZ PENTAKILL OG VS FW
Actually the first 3 games Origen played chaotic and with lots of mistakes, the last one actually showed why they got the 2nd seed in EU, clear stomp ;). But have to admit that the 1st game was probably the 2nd most entertaining
: Why is Veigar getting nerfed?(actual question, no rant)
Because his scaling speed was to much buffed, its not like nasus where you need to afk farm 20-25minutes to be usefull after recent changes you could get usefull in 10-15minutes easy and already 1 shotting most things (to it he has his ult that even if he is underfarmed and raped on lane, the more enemy AP is stronger, the stronger Veigar himself is also)

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