: Maybe win/lose less IP if game goes 4V5
I thought about that also, maybe 1/2 amount of LP lost. I don't know about reducing the LP gained, as again it's not the opposition team's fault that they have an advantage. I know it would work both ways - the 4 would be annoyed if they lost all LP, yet the 5 would be annoyed if they didn't gain the full amount!
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Server checks premade status (surely if they matchmake into premade lobbies, they can tell who joined the lobby together?) and gives loss prevented for everyone that IS NOT premade with them. This is still highly unfair. Most premades are not going to try to abuse the system, but you're suggesting that since some will, they should all get punished. Collective punishment like this tends to backfire and cause worse behaviour. I usually play this game with friends, but that doesn't mean I want anyone to go afk. If a player disconnects by accident, it sucks, but it happens when you play in an online environment. I shouldn't be punished for something someone else does. This would be the same as chat restricting everyone that was premade with someone that was toxic, even if you yourself were very positive and friendly. It's just not fair.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=GyEEpEI8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-29T10:22:01.061+0000) > > This is still highly unfair. Most premades are not going to try to abuse the system, but you're suggesting that since some will, they should all get punished. Collective punishment like this tends to backfire and cause worse behaviour. > > I usually play this game with friends, but that doesn't mean I want anyone to go afk. If a player disconnects by accident, it sucks, but it happens when you play in an online environment. I shouldn't be punished for something someone else does. > > This would be the same as chat restricting everyone that was premade with someone that was toxic, even if you yourself were very positive and friendly. It's just not fair. Thanks for your reply! A fair point. I see what you mean with the chat restriction example, however if someone is verbally abusing someone, that is their choice. If someone intentionally goes AFK in a game, again that is their choice and surely that isn't fair to put you at a disadvantage? If you are premade with people, I would hope the general consensus with the people that are left is to try and win as best as you can. The problem I encounter in ranked is if someone leaves, the team immediately tilts, rages, abuses one another, and generally gets a negative mindset that is very hard to break out of in order to try and win the game. I have played before in a duo with a three premade, which one person has raged after not getting a gank, left, and then the other two proceeding to flame and do nothing. If you know the people you are playing with (yes it's online, but generally you get to know mannerisms and if their connection is dodge) then your choice in playing with them should come with the consequences that may, or may not happen. I just don't think it's unfair for a solo person to lose LP in a game where they have no control over the initial outcome (4v5 from the start). Also, the 'collective punishment' phrase you used, essentially the system is already at that point anyway! One person leaves, whole team suffers! You say you don't want to be punished for something someone else does. I see someone going AFK and leaving me 4v5 with a tilting team, as a punishment/unfair advantage to the other team. I don't want to sign up for that, yet I have no control over it :D You say collective punshiment causes the wrong behaviour - generally when someone goes AFK and the team realise they are going to probably lose LP, they start to tilt and flame and abuse each other. Accidental disconnects are a part of this, I do understand that. However it does seem to happen far too frequently - causing a bad experience for a lot of people. > [{quoted}](name=nijoho,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=GyEEpEI8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-29T11:28:25.876+0000) > > I think the better solution would be to make the afk player loose the LP for the entire team, make it a really harsh penalty. Obviously this will set you back a lot if you get a random DC, and are not griefing, but lets face it that doesnt happen too often, at least not at lower elo. And if this happens to you once or twice per season it will be annoying but it wont set you back too much. > > For somebody who does this regularly he will drop a division every second time he does it. An idea, but probably too harsh. If I randomly dc'ed and lost my days/week's worth of ranked work, I would be more annoyed with the system! Some people only play a few times a week. If they lose a lot of their work they won't bother playing again. Not what I want to advocate.
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: Why no loss prevented?
I have posted something along these lines - have a read, let me know what you think http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/5tPvl0N1-afk-in-ranked-the-same-old-story
: It could be abused, premades can just take turns with leaving the game if they think they're going to lose so everybody gets loss prevented.
> [{quoted}](name=DeepSeaPlays,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5tPvl0N1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-28T19:50:14.533+0000) > > It could be abused, premades can just take turns with leaving the game if they think they're going to lose so everybody gets loss prevented. Read what I posted again..... Everyone that is NOT premade with the person leaving gets loss prevented. So if you are premade with 4 and one of your party leaves, you all still lose LP. Only the one solo player doesn't. Then it is directly connected to you and your premade party, not the poor solo person who has absolutely NO control over it.
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: Looking for a group of people just to have fun with
Hi, Bearclaw12 Agree with everything you said, my last few matches playing new champs has been just awful. Even when i'm doing well with them I then get harassed by the other team. Hopefully have a bit more fun with people that aren't going to take normals too seriously!
Plussmaci (EUW)
: May be stupid but it can be auto refresh from firewall, i would check that and do you run it as admin? Maybe that can cause trouble too.
Yeah it's running as admin and i've turned my firewall off to try and sort it but nothing still.... :'( Also, i Don't understand how it can change when I havn't changed anything on my PC. I presume that is something server side?
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mistry (EUW)
: why do you care so much about lp? you won a 4v5 game congrats, take satisfaction from that,. An extra 5lp because you beat some low elo munchkins wont make anything better.
Why do I care about LP? Because that's how you go up the leagues...? I don't understand your reply. Playing with a disadvantage/handicap from the start should mean something. Also, how many 4v5 games will you get where people will moan from the start? They may even go AFK themselves as they see a pointless situation. With this, I would hope the mentality of the team would change from 'we are going to lose' to 'let's try our best'
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