Doomley (EUW)
: >Aatrox's revive saved him 90% of the time in a 1v1 When we talked about his passive, we talked about split pushing. Your revive isn't supposed to proc in a 1v1 scenario. If it does, you are not a good split pusher. And you are not suppsoed ti die in a 1v1 situation as a split pusher. The whole point of split pushing is to be stronger than the enemy in a 1v1 scenario and thus force more opponents there to deal with you so your team can get things done elsewhere. >When the passive fully stacks it actually doesnt reach the same attack speed as before its 5% less, the AD has no effect The ad has no effect? the ad he gets easily outweighs the lost attack speed. If you truly watched the Phreak's video, you would also know that. And btw, i did watch it yesterday. >No, his heal no matter what is less than before, Phreak did the maths on it all He actually skipped a vital part of it which was if the aatrox bought hp. He only did the math with his base hp, not with items. If you just look at the numbers on the ability then yes, it got nerfed but if you look what actually happened (and this is what phreak also said), his sustain got better because of the removed and lowered health costs on his abilities. Also the new w heal is better if he is above 50% hp, which means he can take short trades better and can heal back to full hp a lot quicker. >it also falls off so much faster as well meaning that you can never farm and then attack someone after with the full stacks or even some of them Umm yes you can. if you attack a champion, his passive duration is refreshed and also if he is attacked by a champion. This means he can keep the stacks for the whole fight. 4 seconds is enough time to engage on someone. You can also farm and get 4 stacks and then q on to the enemy to get full stacks and you are free to use your passive. >cannot recall and keep full stacks like you could before. And this feature is completely unnecessary. Right now there is no need to keep the blood well full if you recall. You also couldn't keep the blood well full if you recalled before because you need to be dealing damage or taking damage or it will start to decay. You could make it decay slower by using an ability but it would not stop the decay. since your recall lasts 8 seconds, it already started to decay before you even got to base. >The blood well was half stacked with a q before the changes so it didn't take that long. Yes at level 1. At level 18 it only filled 22% of the well. New w stacks it 20% per proc and the old one stacked it 16-9% per level which makes the new w far superior in that regard. The current e also stacks it twice as fast as the old one. Not to mention that stacking the well no longer harms aatrox by costing him his own hp. >Last thing- there are so many Aatrox mains in Diamond-Master and they have said the exact same thing, argue with them if you want. I would argue with them if there were any that complained. None of the high elo aatrox players complains because they know these were buffs overall.
> [{quoted}](name=Doomley,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-10T15:00:49.134+0000) > > When we talked about his passive, we talked about split pushing. Your revive isn't supposed to proc in a 1v1 scenario. If it does, you are not a good split pusher. And you are not suppsoed ti die in a 1v1 situation as a split pusher. The whole point of split pushing is to be stronger than the enemy in a 1v1 scenario and thus force more opponents there to deal with you so your team can get things done elsewhere. > > The ad has no effect? the ad he gets easily outweighs the lost attack speed. If you truly watched the Phreak's video, you would also know that. And btw, i did watch it yesterday. > > He actually skipped a vital part of it which was if the aatrox bought hp. He only did the math with his base hp, not with items. If you just look at the numbers on the ability then yes, it got nerfed but if you look what actually happened (and this is what phreak also said), his sustain got better because of the removed and lowered health costs on his abilities. Also the new w heal is better if he is above 50% hp, which means he can take short trades better and can heal back to full hp a lot quicker. > > Umm yes you can. if you attack a champion, his passive duration is refreshed and also if he is attacked by a champion. This means he can keep the stacks for the whole fight. 4 seconds is enough time to engage on someone. You can also farm and get 4 stacks and then q on to the enemy to get full stacks and you are free to use your passive. > > And this feature is completely unnecessary. Right now there is no need to keep the blood well full if you recall. You also couldn't keep the blood well full if you recalled before because you need to be dealing damage or taking damage or it will start to decay. You could make it decay slower by using an ability but it would not stop the decay. since your recall lasts 8 seconds, it already started to decay before you even got to base. > > Yes at level 1. At level 18 it only filled 22% of the well. New w stacks it 20% per proc and the old one stacked it 16-9% per level which makes the new w far superior in that regard. The current e also stacks it twice as fast as the old one. Not to mention that stacking the well no longer harms aatrox by costing him his own hp. > > I would argue with them if there were any that complained. None of the high elo aatrox players complains because they know these were buffs overall. I don't want to type again i cant be bothered tbh but look at the aatrox mains reddit
: If he wasn't bad before tell me why he had win ratio around 40% and why he wasn't used on LCS even once? Why I had much better results when using shen as jungler?
> [{quoted}](name=KnightHammer5,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2017-03-08T22:09:42.185+0000) > > If he wasn't bad before tell me why he had win ratio around 40% and why he wasn't used on LCS even once? Why I had much better results when using shen as jungler? He had 46% win rate before changes and is now at 40% after the changes
Doomley (EUW)
: >He can only revive when he has his blood well maxed, which means he cannot stay in a lane long enough and split push, if people come top to fight him he has no choice but to fight them instead of escape, if he tries to escape he dies. The revive passive change doesn't affect this at all. If he had to revive, he died 99% of the time anyway. He can still try to escape just as much as before. Now the bloodwell also fills faster than before. His passive still gives the same amount of AS when it procs. You can still get it while hitting towers by collecting stacks from minions or using abilities while hitting tower. He also gains 25% bonus base ad with the proc. Sure the attack speed isn't as often up as it used to be but it's still there. Tbh the old blood well took an eternity to fully stack. >Riot didn't look at what any of the Aatrox mains were saying when they made these changes That is because there is not a single aatrox main that knows how this game works. there is no point in listening to people who don't even know the basics of the game. >its a nerf on his passive overall Actually it is a very clear buff. Now he can stack the passive VERY quickly, when fully stacked it's more powerful than before. It heals him more if he does and it doesn't run out if you are in combat with champions. >and his W His w just got balanced. His abilities don't cost health anymore except e a flat 30 hp, which means he doesn't need as much sustain from w as before and his w damage has been toned down too because it doesn't need to compensate for the lost health. Actually the heal got buffed on his w if you do the math. >They only buffed his Q and E which are used as engage and dont have much variety when using them. And passive and w. Every change they made to him was an overall buff. Also his q is also an escape and his e is a poke tool and can be used to slow someone who is chasing you to get away. There are multiple ways to use his abilities in addition to engaging. >The changes were not thought out properly The changes were thought out fairly well but the is going to get another changes when the divers class update comes.
> [{quoted}](name=Doomley,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-09T20:11:16.326+0000) > > The revive passive change doesn't affect this at all. If he had to revive, he died 99% of the time anyway. He can still try to escape just as much as before. Now the bloodwell also fills faster than before. His passive still gives the same amount of AS when it procs. You can still get it while hitting towers by collecting stacks from minions or using abilities while hitting tower. He also gains 25% bonus base ad with the proc. Sure the attack speed isn't as often up as it used to be but it's still there. Tbh the old blood well took an eternity to fully stack. > > That is because there is not a single aatrox main that knows how this game works. there is no point in listening to people who don't even know the basics of the game. > > Actually it is a very clear buff. Now he can stack the passive VERY quickly, when fully stacked it's more powerful than before. It heals him more if he does and it doesn't run out if you are in combat with champions. > > His w just got balanced. His abilities don't cost health anymore except e a flat 30 hp, which means he doesn't need as much sustain from w as before and his w damage has been toned down too because it doesn't need to compensate for the lost health. Actually the heal got buffed on his w if you do the math. > > And passive and w. Every change they made to him was an overall buff. Also his q is also an escape and his e is a poke tool and can be used to slow someone who is chasing you to get away. There are multiple ways to use his abilities in addition to engaging. > > The changes were thought out fairly well but the is going to get another changes when the divers class update comes. lol okay i get some of the things i said were slightly wrong but these points are just 100% wrong, factually in fact. Aatrox's revive saved him 90% of the time in a 1v1 but its impossible to pull this off without ultimate now, with ult it is as good as before. When the passive fully stacks it actually doesnt reach the same attack speed as before its 5% less, the AD has no effect as that just allows him to become more of a tank with the Botrk changes, not the same champion as before. No, his heal no matter what is less than before, Phreak did the maths on it all, if i gave a shit id go find it but it is fact that his heal was nerfed. The fact that the blood well stacks faster now is good, you are right but it also falls off so much faster as well meaning that you can never farm and then attack someone after with the full stacks or even some of them, you cannot recall and keep full stacks like you could before. The blood well was half stacked with a q before the changes so it didn't take that long. Last thing- there are so many Aatrox mains in Diamond-Master and they have said the exact same thing, argue with them if you want.
Doomley (EUW)
: >As an Aatrox main No offense but the word "main" has no weight if you aren't a high elo player. You can play 1000 games with aatrox in silver but still be worse than a higher elo player playing him for the first time. You have also played only about 50 games with aatrox in total which is not enough to call something your main. Just some cold facts. >he was good he had specific things you could do with him and was useful for split-pushing He was only useful for split pushing but literally every other champion that had a primary focus on split pushing, did that job better than aatrox. So why would you pick something that was worse than everything else? This is what makes him bad. >now he lost his ability to split push Explain, why you think he lost his ability to split push? > I just don't see many buffs to his overall playstyle That's because the changes that were made are all basically just quality of life changes, not actual buffs or nerfs. These changes weren't enough to make him viable but he is still better than before.
> [{quoted}](name=Doomley,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2017-03-09T13:41:50.922+0000) > > No offense but the word "main" has no weight if you aren't a high elo player. You can play 1000 games with aatrox in silver but still be worse than a higher elo player playing him for the first time. You have also played only about 50 games with aatrox in total which is not enough to call something your main. Just some cold facts. > > He was only useful for split pushing but literally every other champion that had a primary focus on split pushing, did that job better than aatrox. So why would you pick something that was worse than everything else? This is what makes him bad. > > Explain, why you think he lost his ability to split push? > > That's because the changes that were made are all basically just quality of life changes, not actual buffs or nerfs. These changes weren't enough to make him viable but he is still better than before. He can only revive when he has his blood well maxed, which means he cannot stay in a lane long enough and split push, if people come top to fight him he has no choice but to fight them instead of escape, if he tries to escape he dies. He also lost most of his passive attack speed and so attacking towers is now a lot less effective than before. Riot didn't look at what any of the Aatrox mains were saying when they made these changes, this is not quality of life, its a nerf on his passive overall and his W which is what Aatrox's core playstyle was all about, playing around these two abilities. They only buffed his Q and E which are used as engage and dont have much variety when using them. The changes were not thought out properly
Neonchan (EUW)
: > Everyone hates it That's not how "everyone" works...
> [{quoted}](name=Neonchan,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-09T13:45:06.455+0000) > > That's not how "everyone" works... on the reddit they do, thats why i linked it
: He wasnt, but u probably dont understand how u had to play him.
> [{quoted}](name=TimingTaurus,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-08T21:08:14.571+0000) > > He wasnt, but u probably dont understand how u had to play him. I'm an Aatrox one trick, notice the name
Doomley (EUW)
: What? ruining aatrox? dude... there was nothing to ruin. He was utter shit before so it can't be any worse than that. Go read the patch notes again because you obviously missed a lot of information.
> [{quoted}](name=Doomley,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-08T21:02:51.499+0000) > > What? ruining aatrox? dude... there was nothing to ruin. He was utter shit before so it can't be any worse than that. > > Go read the patch notes again because you obviously missed a lot of information. As an Aatrox main, he was good he had specific things you could do with him and was useful for split-pushing, 1v1 and just being present in teamfights and now he lost his ability to split push, I studied the patch notes plenty and I just don't see many buffs to his overall playstyle, his damage has stayed about the same despite the number changes due to his passive
Solash (EUW)
: Ah the good ol' "Assume that a rework that's been our for less than a day is terrible' shtick
> [{quoted}](name=Solash,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=n97w8cYg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-08T20:58:58.855+0000) > > Ah the good ol' "Assume that a rework that's been our for less than a day is terrible' shtick Two weeks* I played him on PBE quite a lot and didnt expect this to have such a huge impact on him in real games, it has completely changed him, he cannot be played the same
Rioter Comments
: [Champion: Idea] Ivern tweak - possibly making him more viable without directly buffing damage
Trias000 (EUNE)
: Do you realize that it's a bug?
> [{quoted}](name=Trias000,realm=EUNE,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=OVqeQxcV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-11T22:24:50.471+0000) > > Do you realize that it's a bug? no it isnt, jayce is intended to do that
: It's about fucking time Riot batted an eye on the GAME-BREAKING bug that is known as JAYCE.
um, deal with it. people who dont struggle with lag etc have no problem with him switching stances, he can also really easily get shut down as long as he isnt too far ahead. It isnt a game breaking bug at all
: its my birthday
thank you everyone for the birthday wishes i had lots of fun :)
Rioter Comments
kurnubego (EUNE)
: Thank you rite, for Shen nerf ^.^
Banocas5 (EUW)
: ;-;
get better internet lel
Rioter Comments
: Intentionally not finishing the game and throwing it away should result in permanent ban
DHZ (EUW)
: The greatest teamcomp yet!
no, mid should be nidalee, she gets movespeed in bushes
Mangekyu (EUW)
: I DID IT!!!
congratz man <33 can you boost me Kappa
Mangekyu (EUW)
: What an actual joke...
tbh dude it happens to everyone, people have bad games and you won't win everything, being demoted is just a part of league and its only fun to know that you can climb again :)
Xernean (EUW)
: Disgusting Racial and Sexual Discrimination in League
Rioter Comments
jacko481 (EUW)
: Why am I finding it so hard to get keys?
The more you get them, the harder chance you can get more. But it resets every month. I think it is very fair
ExpStealer (EUNE)
: [Champion Concept] Celeste, the Crusader
The passive is weak, there are only around 5 abilities in the game that can even cause terrify so at most times it would be useless throughout the entire game. Maybe adding another effect to the passive, like she has 10% tenacity at all times or something like that. Seeing that her W can block auto attacks and her E can dodge abilities and her ult can remove any form of CC it seems sort of OP :/
: Mordekaisers rework better be first on the list next season
um, mordekaiser wont be reworked for a long time, he only received a rework last season and Riot confirmed that Galio and Warwick are the next two major reworks. I wouldnt expect mordekaiser to be reworked for at least 1 year or so
: [CHAMPION CONCEPT] Bonnie, The Wild Whip Of Piltover
good idea but he seems sort of strong being that all of his abilities deal damage, i like the idea that he is a cowboy thought but i keep thinking of him looking like jhin lol. If you have time could you check out my champion creation? http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-creations-en/chBdQAcA-firex-the-sacred-scroll-champion-concept-support-mage
: [Champion Suggestion] Destro - The Fury Of The Elements
I like the idea but he seems sort of OP being that all of his abilities deal damage, but i like the concept. If you have time could you check out my champion creation? http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-creations-en/chBdQAcA-firex-the-sacred-scroll-champion-concept-support-mage
: >Network Operations – 25/08/2016 We have disabled Nemesis Jax Chromas due to in game issues, and are currently working on a resolution.
> [{quoted}](name=Jesperr101,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=ZwXpAPTa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-02T10:00:24.034+0000) > > We have disabled Nemesis Jax Chromas due to in game issues, and are currently working on a resolution. They better let us still buy it for longer because that is not fair if they dont
Rioter Comments
: If you picked Talon mid, show some respect to Katarina, don't be cocky
: I WANT YOUR OPINION ON HARD CHAMPIONS!
SeekerK (EUNE)
: Free Skin Contest nr 27
1. Shaco {{champion:35}} - He works really well as an assassin however I feel that his W is not an ability that should be used for assassins. His kit is generally outdated and one that many people especially new players dont enjoy playing anymore, as an old Shaco main his kit has bored me for some time as there is not really much diversity when playing him and you do the same things over and over again. Like someone else had said, his design is really cool but his kit does not currently live up to it. 2. Fizz {{champion:105}} - His kit has been very unstable and broken for some time, the idea that he can literally dodge any ability on an ability that also deals damage and provides mobility is not fair, his damage over time is also not very fair for an assassin and his ultimate when landed increases the amount of damage you deal to them. He has very little counterplay and his kit is quite overloaded making it boring for new players and they might not understand how he works. He needs a rework and especially to change his E. 3. Evelyn {{champion:28}} - Seems like a very weak champion that doesnt match any sort of meta and is hard to find team comps that work well with her. Her ultimate is very weird for an assassin to have and seems more like a bruiser or even a tank sort of ultimate. The fact that she is always stealthed is either so strong or really weak, it isnt a very healthy ability although it does match her design very well. Her Q and E are confusing because they scale from AP and AD which leaves some players wondering what to build and going hybrid just isnt very good on her. She needs many changes to match other assassins. I think we should talk about the new Project skins and what other champions would be very good with a Project skin and why. Maybe even talking about legendary or upcoming ultimate skins. Thanks! :D
: Riot got it all wrong when they made mastery on champions
you have 1k+ teemo games your opinions are irrelevant
Ipiimp (EUNE)
: The last Kindred nerf is too much.
Dude if anything Kindred is stronger from last patch than she was before xD
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Goodnigut (EUW)
: If you are unable to dodge them, that doesn't mean that those abilities aren't dogeable. I wrote that post out of pure experience, my own and LCS games that I've watched. Do go and document yourself before writing a stupidity bigger than yourself on the forums thus misinforming people.
> [{quoted}](name=Goodnigut,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dj2poHMp,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-27T18:38:44.186+0000) > > If you are unable to dodge them, that doesn&#x27;t mean that those abilities aren&#x27;t dogeable. I wrote that post out of pure experience, my own and LCS games that I&#x27;ve watched. Do go and document yourself before writing a stupidity bigger than yourself on the forums thus misinforming people. he was stunned by the liss ult so he couldnt move to dodge the oncoming effects
Goodnigut (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ArxxOnline,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dj2poHMp,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-27T14:19:14.245+0000) > > no, can you read?. He said that he got lissandra ulted first which is a point and click and then all the other cc came after it I actually can read in more languages than you can count, thank you very much. I just stated the fact that unless he had no summoner available, he could've dodged that CC chain. And in order for {{champion:127}} 's R to hit him, she needs to be rather close to him, pretty much melee range. But even so, her R and {{champion:33}} 's E are the only tricky ones from that list, since the rest can be dodged unless you have the biggest ego in the world and don't accept it that you screwed up. From that list of CC's which he mentioned, 2 are hard to dodge and evade unless you have a summoner ready: - {{champion:127}} 's R - {{champion:33}} 's E The rest from that list are easy to sidestep if you just pay attention and don't just go for the +1 kill: - {{champion:25}} 's Q - {{champion:44}} 's E (it has a cast time of around 1 second) - {{champion:202}} 's W (also has a cast time of a second or so) But if he messed up at the first CC then yes, he will catch all of the rest with open arms. Now, did I express myself properly for you to understand my message mister "I'm gonna insult you to win an argumment"?
> [{quoted}](name=Goodnigut,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dj2poHMp,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-27T15:31:42.402+0000) > > I actually can read in more languages than you can count, thank you very much. > > I just stated the fact that unless he had no summoner available, he could&#x27;ve dodged that CC chain. And in order for {{champion:127}} &#x27;s R to hit him, she needs to be rather close to him, pretty much melee range. But even so, her R and {{champion:33}} &#x27;s E are the only tricky ones from that list, since the rest can be dodged unless you have the biggest ego in the world and don&#x27;t accept it that you screwed up. > > From that list of CC&#x27;s which he mentioned, 2 are hard to dodge and evade unless you have a summoner ready: > - {{champion:127}} &#x27;s R > - {{champion:33}} &#x27;s E > The rest from that list are easy to sidestep if you just pay attention and don&#x27;t just go for the +1 kill: > - {{champion:25}} &#x27;s Q > - {{champion:44}} &#x27;s E (it has a cast time of around 1 second) > - {{champion:202}} &#x27;s W (also has a cast time of a second or so) > > But if he messed up at the first CC then yes, he will catch all of the rest with open arms. > > Now, did I express myself properly for you to understand my message mister &quot;I&#x27;m gonna insult you to win an argumment&quot;? you cant fking dodge any of them, liss has an engage ability and depending on who he was playing it would have been easy to land an ult. The rest was out of his hands
Goodnigut (EUW)
: You can easily sidestep {{champion:202}} 's W since it has a casting time of like a second or 1.5 seconds and it's a point and click ability. Actually, most point and click abilities can be dodged, even the {{champion:33}} E (aka you just {{summoner:4}} away from it or well.. let him hit you with it since it's like 1.75seconds at max lvl anyway. But why not recall after you killed the baron? That's the best way to get it done..
> [{quoted}](name=Goodnigut,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dj2poHMp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-27T14:17:29.940+0000) > > You can easily sidestep {{champion:202}} &#x27;s W since it has a casting time of like a second or 1.5 seconds and it&#x27;s a point and click ability. Actually, most point and click abilities can be dodged, even the {{champion:33}} E (aka you just {{summoner:4}} away from it or well.. let him hit you with it since it&#x27;s like 1.75seconds at max lvl anyway. no, can you read?. He said that he got lissandra ulted first which is a point and click and then all the other cc came after it
DaveOneGo (EUNE)
: This needs to be a game!
that is possibly the worst idea ever
Goremaw (EUNE)
: Ideas how to defeat Tank Ekko on top lane?
MØWHA (EUW)
: When will the new SKT skins be released ?
http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/jKGjBoog-new-skins-all-star-skin-skt-skins
Declined (EUNE)
: Thanks for the offer, but me personally am waiting for Metatrace, I know the OP went to bed about 4 hours ago, so assuming you live in America please consider this when you're ready to play with him ^_^
> [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=Av2qIzko,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-04-05T01:45:24.517+0000) > > Thanks for the offer, but me personally am waiting for Metatrace, I know the OP went to bed about 4 hours ago, so assuming you live in America please consider this when you're ready to play with him ^_^ I'm not sure if you are aware but he isn't asking you... this entire post isn't about you.
: Should Sona be nerded
No she shouldn't be nerfed, she isn't at all strong. Bear in mind that she was created to be a mid laner, she needs to deal damage. Similar to Blitzcrank
K1ru4n0 (EUW)
: Kindred Skin
They are still a relatively new champ lol
: is alistar skin still allowed to gain ?
What on Earth is that entire sentence?
Ăhri (EUNE)
: THANK YOU, RIOT!
Novalry (EUNE)
: Bug whit changing summoner name
Oh okay, I have no idea then
Novalry (EUNE)
: Bug whit changing summoner name
dude you cant even afford it lol
D3J0 (EUNE)
: Hextech Annie
I have a lot to be jealous about, I got Urgot and Skarner and Void Fizz (which isnt that bad). But I really wanted the hextech Annie skin, congrats tho dude
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