: Downvote me ALL you want but ADC is damage is TOO High and I'm sick of perferential treatment
Actually this is intentional and is why the advice has carry in it's role's name. You are meant to be the most fragile and most potential member of the team comp as an adc.
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: That's a really useful information that I will surely keep in mind. In the case where top, mid,or jungle fed the team, what can I do to minimize their lead without actually dying fast. In my elo, I find it really hard to bounce back when my other lanes are losing while I am not yet destroying my lane (like maybe less than 10 minutes already 0 vs 5). Is it something easy to do and it's just myself who needs to practice more, or is it something I can't carry as an ADC?
> [{quoted}](name=MayhemInDigital,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=8bM7B8vY,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-27T19:01:48.020+0000) > > That's a really useful information that I will surely keep in mind. In the case where top, mid,or jungle fed the team, what can I do to minimize their lead without actually dying fast. In my elo, I find it really hard to bounce back when my other lanes are losing while I am not yet destroying my lane (like maybe less than 10 minutes already 0 vs 5). Is it something easy to do and it's just myself who needs to practice more, or is it something I can't carry as an ADC? This right here is what led to the bully ADC school of thought. The early game ADC crew believe that if you're not fed enough to be equally fed to the most fed guy on the enemy team, then you just aren't good enough yet. The latter school of thought will say that you just farm like a machine and hope that the lead isn't that significant that you can't get overall equal gold to the stomper by the mid game.
IzzyRh (EUW)
: A SAD STORY ABOUT ELO, NOOBS, TROLLS AND AFKS
Do what makes you happy. In the end your talent may be for more individual games.
: Climbing out of 'Elo Hell' as ADC.
There are two schools of thought here. The first says that you ought to take a hyper-aggro ADC, bully the lane roam mid and basically make life utter hell for the enemy team both physically and psychologically. This school of thought concedes that you are reliant on the enemies not doing the same thing back at you (in other words this technique is only in any way a sure carry if the enemy team lacks smurfs). Due to the actual fact that you are indeed guaranteed that majority of matches you are vs inexperienced players who will react to your hyperaggro champ, build and playstyle by trying to fight back when your early powerspike is still present, you then can enjoy the mid-game power spike that all early-sided ADCs get but to huger extents. The champ-pool is any ADC where the reliance is more on ability usage than on basic attack usage. Classics are Twitch, Ezrael, MF, Jinx and Lucian. The second school of thought is that since ADC is already the best scaling role overall and since right clicking being so simple lets you focus a lot on macro (which is where low elo is weakest, not actually in micro) then you should take a cowardly ADC, tower-farm, make zero mistakes and hopefully by 15 mins in no one has fed too much (some low elo aggro supports make your life hell while doing this though, which is the same setback as when you have a passive support in the first school of thought). Champ-pool is Vayne, Tristana, Caitlyn, Kalista and KogMaw. Dravens, Xayahs and the likes of Kindred or Quinn are basically great in both ways at once but extremely mechanically demanding on the player. The stress that involves is just not worth it as your focus in low Elo should be objectives and roam timings to maintain near-perfect farm. Don't take Jhin, his ultimate is very team-reliant. In reality both schools of thought are going to climb equally proficiently if both are done to the maximum skill level. Why? It is because extreme late and extreme early are both punishing lack of skill in a significant way. What you begin to realise as you gain Elo is that what is 'meta' is what is currently both strong early AND able to carry well late if it was just a passive beginning for the player ( this is calculated purely by butterfly effect of the latest nerfs and buffs). Then as you go even further up, the difference between master and challenger tier is not anymore studying the meta (everyone knows meta in detail from Dia 3 or so), it's then the ability to gamble well. At the higher level, hypercarry lategame ADCs get shut down so brutally they can't farm due to harass but hypercarry bully ADCs get shut down by simply not feeding to them... See the dilemma? So at low Elo you are going to be able to exploit people not punishing your lack of powerspike enough. Simple as this. :)
UTC Blazer (EUNE)
: FeelsGoodMan
You say 'any' but how do you know he isn't very specific? He has 14 W 11L and played the last 3 games as brand jungle. He played almost all games in the jungle role and blatantly only knows how to pull off damage-heavy junglers to any decent extent.
Eambo (EUW)
: > This effect cannot be used against the same tower more than once every 8 seconds. That's the exact term used - it means you can't chain-cc by buying 5xOhmwreckers in your team :-P
> [{quoted}](name=Eambo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=xcnXyicU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-24T12:24:03.793+0000) > > That's the exact term used - it means you can't chain-cc by buying 5xOhmwreckers in your team :-P ohhhhhh i get it ty
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SeekerK (EUNE)
: Hey It's the snowy boards background, they grey button should still work but But if it dosen't, it's probably the result of excessive use of your browsers. Get [Ccleaner ](https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download)and run it, it should fix your issue.
> [{quoted}](name=SeekerK,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=uggzOWkE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-24T05:43:11.874+0000) > > Hey > > It's the snowy boards background, they grey button should still work but > > But if it dosen't, it's probably the result of excessive use of your browsers. > > Get [Ccleaner ](https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download)and run it, it should fix your issue. didnt need that, cleared cookies last hour, logged out and in and it's fixed. thanks a lot :)
: I can't seem to reply to any comment or even post anything (there seems to be a glitch on my forum)
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DeltaDan (EUW)
: Why is Fizz and Jax in urf still?
: If you can't Alt+Tab on the loading screen
For me, the secret is to wait until the 0% of any champ at all begins to increase to 1%+ as soon as the loading has officially begun then alt tabbing is fine but if you try it before that it can cause bugsplat error at worst or just not work at best.
: That "idiot" is most likely just as smart as you are, and he most likely things that you are a idiot as well. I had a game about a year ago, that i still remember to this day: I had a kindred jg, i played thresh support. Before the minions spawned we got invaded at our red, but we all lived. I pinged on blue and wanted to give up the red. I walked to lane thinking that we were done with the whole red thing. Kindred went in solo to try smiting the red, and died. I was kinda pissed that she walked into 4 enemies alone for no reason, but i did not say anything. Kindred now starts ragin at us, saying things like "Why no help?", "%%%%ing %%%%%%s" and "%%%". She then went afk at the 4th minute and only came back 15 min later to rage a little more and then afk again. we lost... I remember thinking that the kindred was a idiot, but i think kindred was thinking the same about me. I dont know who is the "smart" one of us, but i dont think i am much smarter than the kindred is. in this case kindred was the one breaking the rules by flaming and going afk, but mabye fighting over that red was the right thing to do. Mabye kindre knew we could win that fight and wanted to get the red and some kills. And mabye the kindred still to this day thinks that i was a idiot for not helping her. Idk what i want to achieve with this comment, but i wanted to write it anyways.
> [{quoted}](name=OP Champions,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xELx8Egf,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2017-12-19T12:30:06.797+0000) > > That "idiot" is most likely just as smart as you are, and he most likely things that you are a idiot as well. > > I had a game about a year ago, that i still remember to this day: > > I had a kindred jg, i played thresh support. > Before the minions spawned we got invaded at our red, but we all lived. > I pinged on blue and wanted to give up the red. > I walked to lane thinking that we were done with the whole red thing. > Kindred went in solo to try smiting the red, and died. > I was kinda pissed that she walked into 4 enemies alone for no reason, but i did not say anything. > Kindred now starts ragin at us, saying things like "Why no help?", "%%%%ing %%%%%%s" and "%%%". > She then went afk at the 4th minute and only came back 15 min later to rage a little more and then afk again. > we lost... > > I remember thinking that the kindred was a idiot, but i think kindred was thinking the same about me. > I dont know who is the "smart" one of us, but i dont think i am much smarter than the kindred is. > > in this case kindred was the one breaking the rules by flaming and going afk, but mabye fighting over that red was the right thing to do. > Mabye kindre knew we could win that fight and wanted to get the red and some kills. And mabye the kindred still to this day thinks that i was a idiot for not helping her. > > Idk what i want to achieve with this comment, but i wanted to write it anyways. So immediately from that point, your brain should label her as an idiot and a toxic one at that and focus only on helping the ones with potential to get fed. Whether or not you win or lose, it's about using the loss as a training grounds to at least train your raw mechanics and strategy skills in real-time. In other words, you gain nothing from that point on by trying to win the game since it's likely lost no matter what especially since you're playing support and supps can rarely carry in the first place. So the way you gain from the remainder of the game is to spend it as you would spend any other game under my mentality; ignoring the idiots with no potential to carry and focusing only on making the smarter ones have their risks pay off. You cannot go back in time, you will in the future not run from the red until the jungler does but in that specific scenario you did and since kindred ragequitted there and then the only positive way to use the game is to train since losing is pretty inevitable.
: Apologize for Flaming.
The main thing that helped me stop flaming too much was to realise that ultimately an idiot isn't going to improve by telling them they are an idiot. Instead the smarter players on your team will improve if you keep positively reinforcing when they do a good job in some shape or form. Focus much more on the less stupid players and helping them get fed and you will enjoy the game more.
: What's your most tilting moment in LoL?
I played a bot game where there was a tahm kench and bard duo who made me lose it... Both lose it mentally and lose it (the game). You can't escape them, the bard takes the tahm through walls and the tahm tongues you to never let you B ever... oh god...... I almost legitimately cried with the rage... The worst part is they didn't start that way, they began doing it after level 7 or so... I built up hope of turning around a juicily close game (in bot games a close game where you're about to lose is GOOD and FUN). :) Then they began.
: Perma banned player for toxic makes new account gets all 4 honors within 13 levels
> _"I never have been a toxic player and think i shouldent of ever got banned"_ Until you eradicate this idea from your mentality you will never truly be reformed.
Shrewdo (EUW)
: What about a nasus skin like that
nasus is the definition of boring and his skin should represent just that.
smolpöke (EUW)
: I finally learned how to mute people xD
his rank will be his punishment ;)
INUK UK (EUW)
: Got this account banned for 14 days for this???? (rtard player behaviour team)?
you prioritise the physical game over the internal one. you are at war with your anger and losing miserably. Understand that tilt is your enemy.
: nothing. honor is worth NOTHING. also, considering the capsuels are just a scam, you might as well stay at honor 2
> [{quoted}](name=MirirPaladin,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lKhAmAxy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-26T16:35:37.292+0000) > > nothing. honor is worth NOTHING. also, considering the capsuels are just a scam, you might as well stay at honor 2 You're the type of kid who holds his E up with pride like "at least it's not an F"
: How do you see what role you were given in-game?
Given that throughout the game, lanes and original roles become obsolete... It's pretty silly to have in-game...
: Well, let's talk about top lane maybe. If I'd get it I could use Poppy, Sion, Cho or Mao. Question: Which one? I'd prefer Sion. Also my tactic would involve Grasp>Demolish>Iron Skin>Overgrow+Manaflow Band+Scorch. Is it decent enough? With IG I could reach almost permanent sustain via well timed Manaflow.
> [{quoted}](name=ApatheticLoner,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=PARqHTLq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-25T13:38:36.627+0000) > > Well, let's talk about top lane maybe. If I'd get it I could use Poppy, Sion, Cho or Mao. Question: Which one? I'd prefer Sion. > > Also my tactic would involve Grasp>Demolish>Iron Skin>Overgrow+Manaflow Band+Scorch. Is it decent enough? With IG I could reach almost permanent sustain via well timed Manaflow. if you're good at all four then poppy. If you're bad at all four then sion... Cause dat passive ;)
: My brain is on fire.
coop vs ai exists for this very purpose. easing back into the game after missing several patches is exactly what intermediate bot games are for.
: 5 year account banned rip after only one temp ban ever
Them letting you back is their forgiveness. Your old account is the old you
: 5 year account banned rip after only one temp ban ever
I will say what no one will say the truth... Lay low, don't reveal your original account until it's blatant you've reformed over a few months (don't mention the username anywhere in private chat, they read that too). As long as you circumvent and prove yourself reformed, Riot is known to forgive over time. Maybe my comment gets removed maybe so. End of the day, it's a fact what I'm saying, learn and reform... "Permanent" is only for death... Never give up...
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Potchikir (EUW)
: Actually jhin is insanely team reliant his hole kit is about being a semi support adc kinda like ashe While vayne might need a team to help her out of laning faze when she scales u can press that r in the right moment and maybe even dive to get a trple kill or or even quadra if ur good enough Here is a list of champion difficulty from the most difficult to the easiest champion to master not to play in example yasuo is easy to pmay but hard to master Leblanc is hard to play but when u get her basics she is medium difficulty to master I will not mention any of the new champions as i didnt play them bcuz i was afraid of feeding with them but i did play the recent reworks {{champion:268}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:9}}{{champion:161}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:79}} {{champion:42}} Every other champion that is not kayn xayah or rakan is just too easy to MASTER to be at 1 medium high list
> [{quoted}](name=Potchikir,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5oNyHJak,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-15T13:14:38.224+0000) > > Actually jhin is insanely team reliant his hole kit is about being a semi support adc kinda like ashe > While vayne might need a team to help her out of laning faze when she scales u can press that r in the right moment and maybe even dive to get a trple kill or or even quadra if ur good enough > > Here is a list of champion difficulty from the most difficult to the easiest champion to master not to play in example yasuo is easy to pmay but hard to master > Leblanc is hard to play but when u get her basics she is medium difficulty to master > I will not mention any of the new champions as i didnt play them bcuz i was afraid of feeding with them but i did play the recent reworks > {{champion:268}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:157}} > {{champion:55}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:9}}{{champion:161}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:79}} {{champion:42}} > Every other champion that is not kayn xayah or rakan is just too easy to MASTER to be at 1 medium high list Shaco is too confusing for me, like I actually confuse my own brain when i try to plan out a shaco fight lmao, same with Riven and Zed, Kata I feel I can get good with but it will take a lot of solid practise. I don't think rumble is hard at all and have seen fed rumbles be uttterly useless past minute 28 or so. I find Irelia quite hard to master and am interested in her as a counter to fiora, same with camille. Sorry but I don't feel like you get my groupings at all. You are ranking rumble as more difficult than lucian and twitch to master...
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radetari (EUNE)
: Summoner spells are blurry
It's because you've lowered the in-game quality. It affects the loading screen. Don't worry, I did it too. :)
Vonyalo (EUW)
: How do I demote to bronze?
Clearly you have good macro if this is the case, keep your map awareness and macro knowledge and focus more on not falling into traps and creating opportunities on a micro scale.
: Not losing games because im bad,losing because people are just too toxic.
Give the midlaner the blue, gank them hard, tilt the other midlaner make their team MORE TOXIC. :) Understand that for every handicap your team may have (an angry arrogant player who can't share gold or buffs) the enemies have exploitable weaknesses too (a midlaner who will rage at their jungler for not giving them blue like you did your midlaner). In every selfless act is a selfish benefit if it is played correctly. You must type 'go aggro please, I'll give you the blue and then gank you.' people obey those that appear to nurture them. You cannot lead a team if you don't make them bow before you willingly to begin with.
Loonstaa (EUW)
: Here's how league works.
that mentality is why people pick earlygame champs knowing people like you are on the other team :)
kendrask (EUW)
: Why does no one take exhaust on Kha'zix (instead of Flash)
Try altering your rune page to make yourself more prone to out-trade without needing exhaust. Runepage tailoring to allow you to have flash and still be optimal is the way to go with an extremely specialist champ like khazix. I'd suggest keeping all 9 armor seals because both ad champs and monsters deal ad damage (obviously ad champs do) making it worth but mixing your glyphs and marks (with kha i'd mix in some scaling cdr and even a cdr quint. As for marks, kha happens to be someone where all ad marks ends up being optimal in my opinion because his build is lethality heavy so lethality in runes is uncecessary.
: > [{quoted}](name=18922514 7154,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=Hv00OEUT,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-05-26T20:02:14.052+0000) > > Obviously you shit on all yasuos. Your both mains require literally 0 skill and no brain to play it. UGUU I CLICK I PENTAKILL UGU I GOOD THEY DED lmao go play something that requires >10 iq and skill. tryndamere requires a lot more brainpower than yi. with yi you literally press r+e+q and just rightclick the next five seconds. with trynda everything has to be timed to avoid all-cd phase (trynda is basic attack heavy in damage but one of the single most prone champs in the game to ability starvation when it comes to coping in fights) Unlike yi, trynda can't catch up so easily and STICK TO his enemy unless his w is landed at the exact moment ht eenemy turns.
> [{quoted}](name=Bot Game Smurf,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=Hv00OEUT,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T23:45:17.244+0000) > > tryndamere requires a lot more brainpower than yi. with yi you literally press r+e+q and just rightclick the next five seconds. with trynda everything has to be timed to avoid all-cd phase (trynda is basic attack heavy in damage but one of the single most prone champs in the game to ability starvation when it comes to coping in fights) > > Unlike yi, trynda can't catch up so easily and STICK TO his enemy unless his w is landed at the exact moment the enemy turns.
: Obviously you shit on all yasuos. Your both mains require literally 0 skill and no brain to play it. UGUU I CLICK I PENTAKILL UGU I GOOD THEY DED lmao go play something that requires >10 iq and skill.
> [{quoted}](name=18922514 7154,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=Hv00OEUT,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-05-26T20:02:14.052+0000) > > Obviously you shit on all yasuos. Your both mains require literally 0 skill and no brain to play it. UGUU I CLICK I PENTAKILL UGU I GOOD THEY DED lmao go play something that requires >10 iq and skill. tryndamere requires a lot more brainpower than yi. with yi you literally press r+e+q and just rightclick the next five seconds. with trynda everything has to be timed to avoid all-cd phase (trynda is basic attack heavy in damage but one of the single most prone champs in the game to ability starvation when it comes to coping in fights) Unlike yi, trynda can't catch up so easily and STICK TO his enemy unless his w is landed at the exact moment ht eenemy turns.
ZhaoYhun (EUW)
: I'm a trynda yi main, I shit on all yasuos. The only reason I'd ban him is to prevent my ally to pick him. all matches with an allied yasuo showed him to be an useless feeder
> [{quoted}](name=ZhaoYhun,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=Hv00OEUT,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-05-26T19:39:59.442+0000) > > I'm a trynda yi main, I shit on all yasuos. The only reason I'd ban him is to prevent my ally to pick him. all matches with an allied yasuo showed him to be an useless feeder that yasuo's you are against clearly are not kiting very well and are most likely maxing q instead of e (against melee champs max e, you will get to in-auto-out them over and over until they cry and all-in you, then you wind them, ulti them they are on your minions by that time so all aggro is going to them et voila. They will run back past their minions... You e-e-e-e-e ;)
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: Are you sure it didn't end? By remake, surrender or in general. If not then it could be a 'ghost game' which mean the game did exist but wasn't recorded.
> [{quoted}](name=Robindino14,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=NMxAE24t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-20T22:06:19.357+0000) > > Are you sure it didn't end? By remake, surrender or in general. > If not then it could be a 'ghost game' which mean the game did exist but wasn't recorded. 100% sure
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: +14 LP for a win, -22 LP for a loss
it means you have a much worse winrate than the average player in the game where you won. In the game you lost you had just slightly below average but not by much. +20 and -20 are the beginning amounts. The blame for wins goes to those who had higher winrates on the winning team, the blame for losses hits harder those with lower winrates on the losing team.
: if you buy any LAPTOP (yes just a laptop) by alienware or razer, you don't need to know a thing about computers, this will 100% be able to run league. Do note, however, that to run more than one program may cause some fps issues and that playing above low quality can be an issue when skirmishes get very active. If you wanna be serious, stick to the SAME companies but buy a solid desktop etc. Any company other than those 2 will likely claim they charge for 'branding'. This is a lie, in fact alienware is so highly regarded by Riot that in settings there is a thing to make the alienware lights interact with gameplay (do not activate this, it flashes a brutal red when you get hit at low health)
> [{quoted}](name=Bot Game Smurf,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=5tLWvxXK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-16T23:07:10.034+0000) > > if you buy any LAPTOP (yes just a laptop) by alienware or razer, you don't need to know a thing about computers, this will 100% be able to run league. > > Do note, however, that to run more than one program may cause some fps issues and that playing above low quality can be an issue when skirmishes get very active. > > If you wanna be serious, stick to the SAME companies but buy a solid desktop etc. > > Any company other than those 2 will likely claim they charge for 'branding'. This is a lie, in fact alienware is so highly regarded by Riot that in settings there is a thing to make the alienware lights interact with gameplay (do not activate this, it flashes a brutal red when you get hit at low health) Alienware computers are superior to razer's but razer's tools (keyboard and mouse) are so soft on the fingers and amazingly well kitted (can assign a side mousekey to me a wardhop combo for leesin etc) Razer is the company to go for with equipment (including screen cleaning etc), alienware should be the actual computer in my opinion.
: Minimum specs for league and computer questions
if you buy any LAPTOP (yes just a laptop) by alienware or razer, you don't need to know a thing about computers, this will 100% be able to run league. Do note, however, that to run more than one program may cause some fps issues and that playing above low quality can be an issue when skirmishes get very active. If you wanna be serious, stick to the SAME companies but buy a solid desktop etc. Any company other than those 2 will likely claim they charge for 'branding'. This is a lie, in fact alienware is so highly regarded by Riot that in settings there is a thing to make the alienware lights interact with gameplay (do not activate this, it flashes a brutal red when you get hit at low health)
: > [{quoted}](name=Bot Game Smurf,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EzNnkuXq,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-16T02:44:04.340+0000) > > Janna is to supports what Tryndamere is to Top, is what Shaco is to jungle, what Zed is to Mid. She is a champion where what differentiates a 'broken Janna' from a 'useless Janna' is how good at mind-gaming she is. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcmR3WwQ20M There's nothing here that a player owning a normal brain couldn't do. The only difference is, things like this are far easier to do on Janna than other supports. You can't compare Janna to Tryndamere or Zed in any way.
> [{quoted}](name=NorthernRedStar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EzNnkuXq,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-16T02:51:14.938+0000) > > There's nothing here that a player owning a normal brain couldn't do. The only difference is, things like this are far easier to do on Janna than other supports. > > You can't compare Janna to Tryndamere or Zed in any way. Yes I can. Zed and Tryndamere are champions where if you perfectly predict people, bait their abilities and make them run into situations they THINK benefit them but end up with you getting kills and/or remaining alive then you 'carry' with these champs. Mechanics and other things with a Zed and Tryndamere are not how they win (I know Zed is much more mechanically difficult than a Trynda and a Janna but the mechanics of a Zed are like one eighth as impactful as the Zed's ability to bait/kite/juke people. He carries by making the other carry not carry, this is EXACTLY what Tryndamere is designed for and exactly the way that Janna supports. Janna is designed to make the other support feel worthless so yes you are right she's a counterpick by nature.
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