RareshuTzu (EUNE)
: I honestly don't agree with the mute I received
1) Cursing by itself isn't punishable. Using cursing for the purpose of abusing other players _is_ punishable. Which, shock to precisely no-one, is exactly what you do throughout your chatlog (Not that you need to curse to exhibit punishable behaviour as your chatlog _also_ demonstrates, but that's another story). 2) You didn't stand up for yourself, you retaliated. All you did was add to the problem, not deal with it. Standing up for yourself would have been if you muted and reported, then moved on without any further attempts to clap back. But evidently, you didn't do that, and instead chose to become the very thing you complain about. 3) Because muting is something to be done at the player's discretion when they feel someone is being disruptive mid-game. At least, that's if I'm understanding point 3 correctly, but the way you worded it is making that a bit of an uphill battle. 4) Drag the chat window out of view, unbind the chat key, remove the physical chat key from your keyboard, those are options. 5) You know what _also_ hurts the team? Flaming. It causes morale and teamwork to break down, which is kind of a big deal in a game built around teamwork. The chat restrictions are there as the minimally-prohibitive consequence for misbehaviour, and if you don't want to have them, that's your cue to maybe rework your behaviour.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolity,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=kGyYZTNc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2020-01-16T06:59:28.769+0000) > > Theres a saying , "never poke the bear" , you added him after he was toxic to you in game , what did you expect to happen??? He to be friendly and give you good wishes? Hello, that saying cant be applied here since I didnt poke the bear. I was trying to understand what most certain was a child and that childs behavior. I expect every human being of at least average intellect to be able to answer questions and interact with other human beings without disrespecting them <- This is from my raising as a child. Didnt you get the same life-lessons from your parents growing up? I have added plenty of "aggressive" people after the game before, 1 person prior to this have acted this way.... most people actually say that they are sorry for how they behaved ingame. As you see I manage to answer all of your questions, hopefully you manage to answer the only question I did post to you.
> [{quoted}](name=Bombeldros,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=kGyYZTNc,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2020-01-16T07:07:09.662+0000) > > Hello, that saying cant be applied here since I didnt poke the bear. I was trying to understand what most certain was a child and that childs behavior. And how was it that you did that? By allowing them into a space that lets them send more aggression your way, thus provoking more _of_ said aggression. So in a sense, yes, you _were_ poking the metaphorical bear. And what in aid of? "Trying to understand"? You really needed to continue contact with someone who you _know_ is toxic to understand that anonymity combined with competitive pressure and being forced to play alongside strangers is an environment that by nature causes aggression to appear? > I expect every human being of at least average intellect to be able to answer questions and interact with other human beings without disrespecting them <- This is from my raising as a child. Didnt you get the same life-lessons from your parents growing up? Yes, but another life lesson I got was that the worst thing you can do to people behaving aggressively towards you is to give them a reason to think their aggression is working. > I have added plenty of "aggressive" people after the game before, 1 person prior to this have acted this way.... most people actually say that they are sorry for how they behaved ingame. I wouldn't have taken the aggressive person at their word when they claim to be a soldier from England who has the capability to correctly pluck my personal information out of thin air, why should I take you at _your_ word? > As you see I manage to answer all of your questions "Questions". By which you mean one question. Which you _didn't_ answer. You just danced around the issue and raised even _more_ questions about your decision-making skills.
: PSA;
> [{quoted}](name=GamingReformed,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=d9AfmNmz,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-12T21:31:52.298+0000) > > If you call someone trash and they call you out for a 1v1 and you refuse to 1v1 them, guess who the trash kid is? Yeah, it's you. I mean...going by _that_ anecdote, only one side of the exchange explicitly resorted to insulting vocabulary, so...what's the problem here? > If you are the above person, then uninstall and go play Habbo or something. Yeah, to hell with these ridiculous ideas that hurling insults at people not doing things my way is a _bad decision_ or something. Here's hoping the pool's not closed for the usual reasons! > And for the specials who are inevitably gonna be like '1v1 means nothing' etc etc - There's literally a professional 1v1 tournament that the pro's take seriously so, yeah 1v1 DOES mean something. ;) Do the situations you're describing _take place_ in those professional tournaments, though? Or do they take place during normal everyday play where people would rather just play the game as normal rather than play directly into one player's petty squabble and desperate need for validation through self-imposed trial-by-1v1? The answer is the latter, so yes, 1v1 does mean nothing in this situation. UPDATE Just found out the OP effectively tweaked this same discussion from [a month-old discussion they posted](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/aN7rkpYW-the-best-thing-about-league). As if the responses the OP was giving in this thread weren't sad enough.
: punishment in this game is automated and it is very harsh.
> [{quoted}](name=HairyGorilla,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b87rvjEL,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-12T12:47:40.117+0000) > > There are genuine people who are passionate about the game and get angry, this is normal human behaviour. Riot agree. They just want that """passion""" kept out of the chat where everyone has to see it. > This is a intense PVP game where 5 random players must work together and sometimes people don't get along with each other for various reasons. Surely that's _more_ of a reason to keep anger and frustration out of the chat if you're _aware_ that morale is that volatile. > your 14 day bans and perma bans for idiotic reason are the most shittest move i have ever experienced in a gaming community. Even ignoring how often or intense in your bad behaviour you have to be to reach the stage of a 14-day ban, it's curious how you never say what those "idiotic reasons" are. Hmm. > I have been a gamer since I can remember and I have never been perma banned in any game. the most i got was a 3 day ban in WoW for spamming..... All this really means is that games that utilize permanent removal of player accounts as a means of behaviour regulation are the exception more than the rule. It doesn't mean that Riot doing it to begin with is a bad idea, it just means that any developer who _does_ do so has to be wary of false positives. And I'm not saying that false positives _don't_ happen in League specifically, but out of those rare cases, I have never heard of anyone getting banned as a result of a false positive, but then not getting it removed after chasing it up with Riot support. The long and short of it is that you're kind of making a mountain out of a molehill even if we _ignore_ the vague basis for your claim. > You have streamers flaming verbally instead of typing it in and that is okay? Well, it happens on the stream and not in this game, so what do you expect Riot to do about it? Police a platform that they don't own and isn't impacting the behaviour within those matches? Come on now. > you even encourage to verbally abuse instead of typing it in chat Literally where? > **I mean your a company who has been "toxic" towards female staff.... you have targeted woman for being woman but you give us 14 day/perma bans for being human and telling someone is a damb ass in-game? ** The working environment of the developer and the end user in-game environment are two separate issues entirely. Never mind that "telling someone is a damb ass in-game" pretty much _is_ an example of punishable behaviour. So good job on a comparison that's not only apples-to-oranges, but shoots you in the foot when it comes to your claim of "bans for idiotic reasons". All this ultimately did was strongly give off the impression that you're less upset that they ban for "idiotic reasons" and more upset that they ban people in the first place. > WE ARE NOT PLAYING HELLO KITTY ONLINE. WE ARE PLAYING A COMPETITIVE, FAST PACED AND INTENSE GAME. (deep breath) **_THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE THE BEHAVIOUR YOU ARE DEFENDING._** (clears throat)
Sasser (EUNE)
: I think this game would be far less toxic if all the "nice" people were getting banned instead
I thought about it, and I think that leaving behind the toxic players would just mean there's nothing but toxicity remaining and banning the "nice" people is the most literal interpretation of not addressing the problem at all. Oh, don't mind me, I don't have time to elaborate. I'm too busy at the moment.
: People need to seriously stop investing money in the game
Ah yes, it can't be because the premium content appeals to people enough to make them want to use it without fundamentally changing the game significantly, no no no. It must be because they want the game to improve to fit NoJeansAllowed's unspoken vague quality standard that most definitely does not reek of bias towards disingenuous attempts at spreading misinformation or enabling toxic behaviour. There can't be _any other reason_ why people would spend money on Riot points, none whatsoever. /s
: Like you guys did not read top? i said my jungler fed my lane than did it on purpose who wouldnt be mad than he called me loser monkey like he is the reason why i was toxic and i spent 150€ on this acc please riot at least refund if nothing else
Having a reason to be toxic doesn't change the fact that you were toxic in the first place. And no, spending money on this game doesn't give you leverage whenever you're punished.
: Riot i got perma banned unfairly
> [{quoted}](name=Vortexisko,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oqKOhNqj,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-08T18:55:59.300+0000) > > Game 1 > In-Game > Vortexisko: DUDEEEE > Vortexisko: never come again Aggression. > Vortexisko: and you ks Blaming (to say nothing of the fact that killstealing is a non-issue in a game like this) > Vortexisko: like > Vortexisko: GET > Vortexisko: SOME > Vortexisko: HELP Insulting. > Vortexisko: ks > Vortexisko: and tahn > Vortexisko: toxic Blaming. > Vortexisko: like > Vortexisko: uninstall league > Vortexisko: pls Negativity. > Vortexisko: sry team > Vortexisko: he tilted me > Vortexisko: so hard Blaming. > Vortexisko: i said > Vortexisko: never come > Vortexisko: again Negativity. > Vortexisko: this is for real reportable Report-threat. > Vortexisko: nice try > Vortexisko: loser Insulting. > Vortexisko: this kayn > Vortexisko: lol > Vortexisko: lowest lvl in game Insulting. > Vortexisko: not my problem Gloating. > Vortexisko: moron Insulting. > Vortexisko: just laughing at this gnar Negativity through mockery of another player. > Vortexisko: says total tryhard Insulting. > Vortexisko: rep this riven pls Report-calling. > Vortexisko: he just make excuses Blaming. (and rather ironic, given this forum post) > Vortexisko: may i report you? Negativity through what is effectively a report-call. > Vortexisko: and you say im toxic Blaming. > Game 2 > In-Game > Vortexisko: omfg lee > Vortexisko: omfg > Vortexisko: uninstall > Vortexisko: this > Vortexisko: game > Vortexisko: pls Negativity. > Vortexisko: now i lost my lane > Vortexisko: congrats Blaming. > Vortexisko: 0/6 isnt good too Insulting using score > Vortexisko: ofc she is > Vortexisko: she is yelling at averyone Blaming. > Vortexisko: awww > Vortexisko: she tilted Condescending mockery. > Vortexisko: rengar > Vortexisko: i outpay you so ahrd Gloating. > Vortexisko: rep akali Report-calling. > Game 3 > In-Game > Vortexisko: yo graves > Vortexisko: you are such a loser Insulting. > Vortexisko: you should get life Negativity. > Vortexisko: im not talking to you > Vortexisko: so stfu > Vortexisko: moron Aggression/insulting. > Vortexisko: you are the toxic one here Blaming. > Vortexisko: loser > Vortexisko: whos mokey now > Vortexisko: loser Insulting. > Vortexisko: gjgj > Vortexisko: team Negativity. > Vortexisko: yo can you stfu Aggression. Colour me unsurprised, it's almost as if displaying this kind of antagonistic, consistently selfish, insulting behaviour across all three of those games strongly gives off the impression that this behaviour is normal for you. Wonder why you got permabanned... Actually, let's wind back to your first paragraph and see how you try to worm your way out of this one: > Dear Riot. Ive got perma banned not penalized but i don understand why i was toxic a little and talking bit too much but only because my jungler pissed me off he feeded my lane 1st time on accident but than he did that on purpose. Having a reason to be angry doesn't change the fact that you went about the worst possible way of dealing with that anger. > And enemy team was calling me Monkey, Loser, so thats why i was pissed off even more. You clearly didn't like it when they did it to you. What makes you think anyone (let alone the people you were talking to) would appreciate _you_ using those same insults? Witnessing bad behaviour is never going to give you the moral highground to behave just as bad, if not worse. > Please Think about unban or Making my acconut only Penalized. Behaviour bans are only lifted in the rare situation that Riot notices the ban was made in error. And going by your chatlogs, your situation was definitely not made in error. > That game my jungler pissed me off we actually won. Congratulations on your win, but you still made a bad situation worse for everyone else by behaving the way you did. This changes nothing.
Majordx (EUW)
: EUWEST PLAYERS HAVE BIG ISSUES
I'm by no means saying that the guy stalking you was in any way a good thing - that kind of behaviour is very much on them and if what you're saying is true, I do hope Riot is able to do something about it. But... Tars and feathers the entire playerbase of EUW as "having big issues" and questions what could be wrong with them... ...yet the only anecdote in the post to back it up is based around the behaviour of _one_ person. You mind explaining _that_ inconsistency to me?
Çhip (EUW)
: I pick both, the community is disgusting so is riot, the boards are filled with white knighters like you who try to defend them for no reason. (fyi they won't give you a free skin) I won't even try answering your quotes because i already did in the discussion.
> [{quoted}](name=Çhip,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=vbow8OaZ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2020-01-05T18:35:28.375+0000) > > I pick both, the community is disgusting so is riot, the boards are filled with white knighters like you who try to defend them for no reason. Is "because what you're saying is wrong/is vague/is disagreeable/doesn't make sense" really "no reason" to you? Besides if my comment was your idea of white-knighting, I question why you came to a public board in the first place if _that's_ how you react to people disagreeing with you. > (fyi they won't give you a free skin) Never said or expected that they would. I'd say this is a sign that you're running out of arguments, but given your first sentence, that would imply you had any to begin with. > I won't even try answering your quotes because i already did in the discussion. Don't try to pull the wool over my eyes. All you did in your other replies was blindly agree with someone who has a history of bad-faith scaremongering, doomsaying and conspiracy-stirring on this forum ("birds of a feather" and all that jazz); simultaneously repeat the same "white-knighting" rhetoric you just said here all because that person said what you wanted to hear, condescend towards Call Me Teddy with a combination of blind assumption of malice while gatekeeping gaming as a whole based on people allegedly being offended (regardless of what could have offended them or whether outrage was even a factor to begin with and leaving aside what _they_ already said about whether outrage was a factor or not), and gawping at A Red Herring for one token admission of room for improvement as if such a thing is a rare miracle. If all _that_ was what you meant by "answering my quotes", you probably would've been better off dropping all pretenses of having a point and continuing to whine at me about "white-knighting" some more. That would've at least been...well, still dishonest and really not helping dissuade the notion that you don't have anything to actually argue with beyond juvenile mudslinging, but at least it'd be a less egregious brand of dishonesty.
Çhip (EUW)
: Why riot is going harsh on chat.
> [{quoted}](name=Çhip,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=vbow8OaZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-05T12:45:31.401+0000) > > Flamer flames>Gets banned>Creates a new account>Spends money Hold up, fixing it... Flamer flames often and/or harshly enough to reach the upper tiers of the punishment ladder>Gets banned>Realizes that the premium purchases they made get wiped upon an account ban>Considers whether or not it's worth spending on premium purchases if they can't control themselves>Either puts in the effort to behave and creates a new account, or doesn't come back There. I fixed the parts that don't make any sense. I mean, when premium purchases are wiped on account bans and people are shown first hand how their spending can be rendered moot when it happens, why would they _still_ spend money on Riot points knowing they can lose it that easily if they're this bad at controlling their behaviour? Your conspiracy theory shows up on the forum all the time and it hasn't started making _more_ sense with age, you're not breaking new ground here. > But they never ban the Griefer, troller or leaver so he can ruin others games and get them banned for being frustrated so they possibly spend money on their new accs. Source? > Riot has pretended for years that the context doesn't matter (It does btw) because they know that people WILL create new accs and eventually WILL spend money on there. It's not that Riot pretends that the context doesn't matter, it's that Riot knows better than to assume that having a reason or motivation for bad behaviour doesn't magically erase the bad behaviour. > FYI: I didn't get banned or chat restricted, i'm just fed up with this trash community. Wait, you spent this post ranting about decisions that Riot made, but then you about-face and complain about the community? Pick one.
: Unnecessary suspensions are given to easy
> [{quoted}](name=JägerMeester,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=d8AYc1A7,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-03T22:13:02.808+0000) > > Gotten a straight 14 day suspension for saying the homophobic f word and the c vaginal word {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} so got straight suspension for that, which i feel is given to easy, I have friends who tell their teammates to "kill yourself" and says more worse homophobic and racial things than me and he gets nothing not even a chat ban. "Other people did worse things than me, therefore it's unfair that the bad things _I_ did were considered punishable!" Even ignoring how we only have your word for it that your friends didn't get punished (regardless of how you can't possibly know that unless they outright said so either to you or publically), you know that's not how this works. Witnessing bad behaviour is not a free pass for bad behaviour. > So where are the chats bans ? is that still a thing or not cause I feel that if I play good and say the wrong things why can't I get a chat ban instead of a suspension ? Is there no penalty before hand to give an indication that I am gonna be penalized ? Firstly, yes, chat restrictions are still a thing. It's just that they're usually given out as the absolute bare-minimum variety of punishment, and not for zero-tolerance bad behaviour. Secondly, if you really need it explained to you that uttering "the homophobic f word and the c vaginal word" are forms of bad behaviour that aren't worth saying unless you want to risk a punishment (the former of which _definitely_ falls under zero-tolerance bad behaviour), you frankly had this punishment coming. > Am I wrong for wanting to be chat banned before getting a suspension straight up ? Not by itself, but you _are_ wrong for engaging in the behaviour that prompted the suspension then acting all surprised Pikachu face when it got you punished at all, let alone banned. > I feel like the reporting system is really broken, people who should be banned doesn't but when I lose my shit once I'm suspended The report system only meant your behaviour got investigated. Your punishment happened because of your own self-admitted bad behaviour. And besides, even if what you did _wasn't_ against the zero-tolerance policy, you don't avoid a punishment by losing your shit only once. You avoid a punishment by losing your shit _never_. Or at the very least, losing your shit somewhere where the other players aren't able to see it.
: Freedom of Speech ?
> [{quoted}](name=TheWoundedHealer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=j0G9ZbT6,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-04T13:32:14.264+0000) > > Where can I ask a riot employee directly questions concerning my chat restriction ? I want a direct conversation with someone https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us However, if you're expecting them to automatically sympathize with you because you don't see your behaviour as bad, you're more than likely in for a bit of a shocking awakening. It's already fishy enough that you don't post your chatlogs, but given the antagonistic attitude you display in this post, I'm not exactly having a hard time imagining why you got chat restricted. > I m tired of drama queens snowflakes that get offended by every common sense reasonable communication that can go on the chat... Then take a look at your own behaviour and re-evaluate your definition of "reasonable". Because then you might find out that the kind of attitude that results in you instinctively labelling people you don't like as "snowflakes" and "drama queens" is even _less_ appreciated among the pressure of a competitive environment. People aren't going to magically start playing better just because you yelled at them about how bad their play is, is what I'm trying to say. > I havent spammed havent insulted anyone and abused yet I get a chat restricted ? Post your chatlogs, people aren't just going to take your word for it that you didn't do any of that. > your reporting system is shit its pathetic The report system only means that your behaviour got examined. What gets you punished is your behaviour. > ...and all of you out there who are looking to get smart on forums to give an stupid opinion move on from this title..... Sir, "I don't want to hear it" or "I don't agree" are not strong enough reasons to declare an opinion stupid. Don't you even _try_ pulling the wool over our eyes, you aren't always going to get people agreeing or sympathizing with you on a public discussion board. P.S. Freedom of speech does not shield you from the consequences of your actions, especially not in a privately-owned environment.
: And they're wondering why this is a dead game
Your anecdote doesn't prove this game is dead. It proves that you don't understand the basic idea that witnessing the extreme of bad behaviour doesn't suddenly give you a pass to engage in comparatively mild bad behaviour. Oh, and quick lesson to everyone out there, there's a difference between something being dead and something being merely less popular. Even leaving aside the fact that most of these claims of the game dying seem to come from people who've been recently punished for one reason or another, I implore you, learn that difference - it'll save you a ton of stress in general.
uOySalome (EUNE)
: Chat restrict is way too harsh
> [{quoted}](name=uOySalome,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Vokr1LQ0,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-30T00:10:42.633+0000) > > when i got very heated i got into argument where i did not say anything derogatorry, i was being factual and contented seeing as the opposing side was clearly wrong. Well, if you _don't_ mean that as a euphemism for retaliation or generally flaming, I'm sure you'd have no problem posting your chat logs...right? > I have improved so much when it comes to flaming , when someone flames me i just say "reported" , "muted", "stop talking pls" > And then after some games i get a chat restrict for 10 days I mean, you just admitted to announcing your intention to mute, which this community generally frowns upon. It would've been more productive on your end and for everyone else witnessing the exchange between you and the person you're muting for you to just quietly mute and move on. That _is_ the reason why muting someone doesn't notify the person being muted, after all. > I have to use a skin software so that i can get a skin because honestly i play and feel better when i have a skin on. If by that you mean third-party software, then you're on _very_ thin ice there.
junior mor (EUNE)
: riot games is trash
So you got caught flaming back at someone and got punished? And your behaviour plus the consequences thereafter are apparently..._Riot's_ problem? Umm...what's even the issue here? That Riot doles out consequences for people who behave badly? Oh, the horror.
: Toxic Behavior/Chat Restriction
> [{quoted}](name=xAlphaWolfx,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RaUEeVyi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-28T04:30:23.577+0000) > > Yes i do know that i can mute everyone > Yes i do know that i dont have to talk back. Yet when you _did_ talk back... > Game 1 > In-Game > Me: come kill %%%%%% Aggression (and possibly a slur, depending on what's behind those percent signs) > Me: dude you are trash! Insulting. > Me: wtf are you doing?? > Me: free kill > Me: and then you steal it?!?!??! Blaming/negativity. > Me: how it is my fault? ahahah Negativity. > Me: suck a %%%% noob Insulting. > Me: 0/3 stfu Insulting. > Me: Dont trust them > Me: They blame me for feeding lol Blaming, ironically. > Me: They should know that it's bannable to tell others to report. > Me: Lets see what a report on them will end with. Negativity through openly visible report threat. > Me: i am > Me: no need to %%%%ing aram Negativity. > Me: Holy %%%% they are cancerous to be on the same team with > Me: Blaming everything on me and pinging me all the time. > Me: Prob some EUNE russian scum trying to play west > Me: They just want to aram. Let them. Insulting/negativity. > Me: stfu insel Negativity. > Me: %%% > Me: go find a %%%%ing tree., > Me: hang yourself. > Me: 63 cs ADC talking shit btw. > Me: It's not a murder if you kill yourself lol > Me: It's called suicide ya dumb %%%% NOPE. Ending it here. You've dashed what little sympathy I had left the moment you brought a suicide wish into the equation. That thud you just heard was you quantifiably losing the moral high ground. > After reading this you are proberly thinking .. Hmm it's well deserved .. You told someone to hang themselves. > BUT imagine just wanting to play a normal casual game of everyones favorite game League of legends! You spawn in and head to lane! There you are farming away against a Kayle .. after a few min you get him to about 10% HP but you are at 20% ish yourself. Your jungler is close by so you ping him for assistance, he is after all pretty much full HP = free kill for one of you. His response? "lol it's kayle, we will die" i ofc call him a %%%%%% because he kept pinging me to to kill the kayle and their jugler that has just shown up. So 1v2 and my jungler wont help. I recall and tp in to fight the kayle, i get him to maaaybe 1% .. guess who flashes in to KS.. My jungle. This is 4-5min into the game and from then on .. i get pinged everytime someone on our team dies because hey! it's tops fault isn't it? My entire team is feeding except me, i am winning lane. They are ofc 4 premades so they start running it down my lane and telling the other team to report me for being toxic.. Do i deserve a chat restriction for talking back to 4 toxic morons? ofc not. You still told someone to hang themselves. And regardless of whether or not you did that, talking back to toxic behaviour only contributes to it. So you're only a standout case because you were toxic in one of the worst ways possible. > Is this fair? You told someone to hang themselves. What do _you_ think? > Im my last 20 games ish, i have had people say "Heil Hitler" "%%%%%%" but.. guess what? They didnt get banned? They are still playing .. and yes i did check. Not having a punishment right now doesn't mean a punishment won't ever happen, other people behaving badly doesn't mean you get to get away with behaving badly yourself, you still told someone to hang themselves... > This system is so broken. The system is not broken. You got caught telling someone to go hang themselves (Among other assorted bad behaviour, while _knowing fully well that you could have muted them and moved on unscathed, by the way_) and got punished for it. Stop blaming everyone and everything around you for the horrible, horrible way in which _you_ acted. You could've controlled yourself, but you chose not to. And now you're facing the consequences for it. Be _thankful_ that you were lucky enough to only get chat restricted for this. The system isn't normally this lenient when it comes to those who wish suicide on others.
: Why can french players insult you in french and not be banned about it?
> [{quoted}](name=Mendigo sem casa,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=c4ERnlaA,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-28T18:20:24.469+0000) > > So how can a french player insult you in french and not get banned? but if you for some reason insult the same player in english you get banned? Firstly, how do you know this for certain? Let me say up front that just because you didn't see a punishment happen doesn't mean it didn't happen at all, and match history is a dubious indicator since not all punishments prevent people from playing matches in the first place, such is the case with chat restrictions. Secondly, regardless of how you know this for certain, it hinges on people knowing and caring enough about their reaction to what's said in the chat, and you can't really have a negative reaction to something typed in the chat if you didn't understand what was being said in the first place. I'm not saying that makes it right to be toxic as long as it's in a foreign language (because after all, even if the French-speaking players were likely in a minority, it can't really be a negligible minority, so there's going to be at least someone who will understand). I'm saying that as long as language barriers are a thing and people report such behaviour if they _do_ recognize it as toxic behaviour, what you're bringing up is kind of a minor issue.
Teodosi (EUNE)
: Riot ban system is complete utter trash
> [{quoted}](name=Teodosi ,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ajrghLY3,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-25T20:08:29.228+0000) > > Hello fellow summoners or should i say monkeys (apes etc.) > once again i have been banned for 14 days because of how Riots trash system works. I'll hold you to that when I start reading your chatlog. > First i should not be suspended for being toxic what so ever They cant tell me what to write in chat and what not. Yes they can. You agreed to them being able to do so the last time you clicked the agree button on the terms of use. They aren't just there for decoration, you know. > If a team member is being bad i will flame him ofc he deserves it Congratulations, you've demonstrated that you're part of the problem when it comes to toxic behaviour. Do you really honestly think a player will magically play better all of a sudden because someone they've never met before yelled at them? If you think that's the case, you're beyond delusional. > But thats not why i decided to to write here (first time btw ) > It was because the logs they presented are not even close to be a good reason for a 14 day ban > Here are the logs > Game 1 > In-Game > teodosi1: monkey Insulting. > teodosi1: im for sure repoting lee Negativity through announcing intention to report. > teodosi1: %%%%ing ape Insulting. I mean, it was a short chatlog (assuming that your chatlog was unedited), but it's not like it _didn't_ have signs of bad behaviour within it. The fact that your behaviour led to a 14-day ban only tells me that you have a long history of behaving like this while ignoring all warnings from the game telling you to stop. > i want the ban immediately lifted :))) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx2bHvlwkvM
: >The tribunal worked just fine ummm... no 1. the tribunal was so slow in delivering punishments that you could literally get punished for a game you inted in 6 months previously 2. the false positives to deserved ratio flipped when they switched to the ifs 3. there was no way to check if the people judging were being honest or trolling to get the ip boost faster
> [{quoted}](name=Sinful Succubus,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6boogm12,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-12-17T10:05:08.916+0000) > > there was no way to check if the people judging were being honest or trolling to get the ip boost faster Adding onto the above, that was still a massive issue even when the tribunal got rid of the ip boost, particularly when abusive players found that the tribunal pardoned more readily than it punished, thus making it easy to pardon bad behaviour by spamming pardon votes.
: What happend with this game you write something you get banned?
So you're surprised that report-calling and flaming (both of which you admitted to doing) are punishable, as implied by the "what happened" rhetoric in your post title? When _was_ the last time you played League, the _pre-alpha_ stage? Flaming and report-calling have _always_ been punishable. Also, pro tip, if you want people to sympathize with you, maybe try something better than opening up your thread by referring to someone you don't like as a "SPECIAL PLAYER". Don't you dare try to pull the wool over our eyes, we all know what you mean by that, and given the behaviour you admitted to doing, it's _really_ not helping your case.
: Account suspended for 14 days (because of flaming) - Reason?
> [{quoted}](name=Shekelstein,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=egk58zFr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-07T16:34:27.625+0000) > > I wanted to inquire some information as to why my accout is currently suspended for 14 days. One paragraph later... > I called my team goyim and pederasts, I assume the 2nd one is the reason for my temporary ban (I also implied they should engage in such activity, which is great because diversity is strength). And another paragraph later... > Unless of course I got banned for my 1st statement (goyim), which is kinda antisemetic, lol. Is there some kind of sarcastic version of the surprised Pikachu meme? Because that's how I feel right now. Also this: > I thought our society is tolerant and way ahead of being biggots and homophobic against sexual minorities. So what's wrong with being a pederast & what Riot has against them? Hmm, yes, why _would_ people be significantly less tolerant of relationships that involve someone who can't consent in comparison to same-sex relationships involving two consenting adults, now? Gee, your excuse totally isn't a cliche'd bad-faith argument that only serves as a flimsy attempt to distract from the actual problem at all, is it? _"If you really don't see why pedophilia is a whole other level of wrong that doesn't deserve to be on the same table as a discussion about homosexuality, you're a F*CKING BAD PERSON."_ **- Jim Sterling [(source)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpdRWX_m_A)** Basically, stop trying to pretend like you're the victim of intolerance here, you know damn well what you were doing by dragging predatory and (by your own admission) antisemitic behaviour into the game. You behaved badly and got caught. Nothing more complicated than that.
: Player behavior Riot seems to overlook that should be bannable.
> [{quoted}](name=OneEyedCharlie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=vmaObT7o,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-08T11:53:55.135+0000) > > i feel currently you are clearly overlooking on purpose Based on...what, exactly? Let's leave aside, for the sake of argument, the fact that Riot hardly ever comes to this side of the forum. If you say they're "clearly" doing it, I'm sure you have something to actually base this on. At least, something more substantive than the tired, "I didn't see a punishment happen, therefore it didn't happen at all" excuse. It's hard to say what you _are_ basing this on outside of blind guesswork, since you don't indicate anything in your post outside of, "It happens, take my word for it". You're the one who opened with the positive claim, you're the one with the burden of proof. > * Provoking people into fights by laughing at them in /all is clearly toxic. and general fishing for a fight by taunting and insulting and talking down to fellow or opposing players . as is GG EZ (prob the worst fishing for a fight offense), <-- that alone i am sure causes a LOT of people to loose their tempers and should be punished just as much as cussing the one out who said the GG EZ. the ones causing the fight should be seen just as guilty as those to who end up loosing their tempers because of it. instigating in professional sports is just as punishable as the one who retaliated with violence. - should be no different here. starting a fire is just as bad (if not worse) as the one fanning the flames. I'm not sure what you're panicking about here - intentional provocation and GG EZ have always been punishable, and bad behaviour has always been seen as bad behaviour regardless of who started it. Although normally, it's the person being provoked who places emphasis on who started it, not the other way round. > * Smurfing should really be a permanent bannable offense (on all your accounts linked to that mail. it's immense toxic behavior and bullying against people who clearly cant compete and putting them off from playing League in general. And you KNOW you are doing wrong because you have to go create another account to do this. there is no excuse for you venting on lower level players when you are irritated at your higher tier of play. Perhaps this is just poor wording on your part, but it's interesting how you open up with "smurfing should be permabannable", then launch into the one circumstance under which smurfing _is_ bannable, without entertaining the notion that smurfing by itself isn't actually bannable - i.e., it's only bannable if you're doing it to engage in behaviour that's bannable in the first place. I _hope_ that's what you meant.
: that is like, "don´t go outside so you can´t get raped"
No, it's closer to, "don't feed the trolls". And I don't mean that in the sense of "don't do anything about them", I mean, "don't give them a clear indicator that their attempts to provoke you are working.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: However you put it, it's about not being objective punishment. You can't make a system where players will be a good judge.
Exactly. I've no idea why every time people try to suggest adding more of a human element to the punishment system, they conveniently forget that human error is still a thing, for one criticism.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: You mean the tribunal was better? The one where people spammed punish without even reading the case ? You should never go to players themselves to participate in the punishment system(players are not objective) and there are too many games to leave it only on a human side. Most of the time it's a case of someone being toxic "only a little" or "defending themselves" and thus they think it's justified. It's not hard to go with the rules.
Spamming the punish button didn't really do much in the grand scheme of things, seeing how (especially in the case of harsher punishments) it only caused the case to be escalated to Riot's behaviour team for further investigation. Yeah, it was problematic since it wasted their time, but not in the way you're trying to imply it was. It was spamming the _pardon_ button that caused most of the problems with the old tribunal.
ProGFB (EUW)
: The report system sould be fixed.
> [{quoted}](name=ProGFB,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=rFHRqjYL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-16T10:52:59.339+0000) > > The report system makes so bad decisions. I wont comment them because i am sure you all have had at least 1 and there are many videos out there where people discus not fair bans, peneltys and still not banned or abused toxic or trolling player(not players taht haev a bad game) Ok, sure, we'll take your word for it and overlook your lack of examples. /sarcasm > The reason I write this is to call up to other people that think the system is bad and it should be back to the old one(WHERE PEOPLE ANONYMOUSLY VOTE FOR PENELTY WITHOUT KNOWING THE PLAYERS IN GAME). > Whenever and wherever I search there are no reason why they even remade it. Then you obviously haven't been looking hard enough. The voting tribunal got shut down partly because it took too long for a case to be resolved, causing people to be punished for bad behaviour from two weeks ago, while the current system punishes for bad behaviour from 15 minutes ago. I'm no maths student, but I'm sure 2 weeks is quite considerably longer than 15 minutes. That's to say nothing of the fact that it was also shut down around 5-6 years ago because bad actors were spamming the pardon button on cases with clearly-punishable behaviour. Say whatever badly-proven nonsense you will about the current system being open to abuse, but you cannot tell me you want the return of an older system when said older system has actually _shown_ itself to be open to abuse. > I ASK YOU IF YOU AGREE TO VOTE UP OR MAKE A COMMENT SO RIOT SEE IT AND AT LEAST TRY TO GET THE HUMAN SYSTEM BACK Nice try, Riot hardly ever comes to this side of the forum. As for your poll, yes, a human checking _would_ in theory be better...as long as you leave out the additional context of League being as large as it is with thousands of games occurring from moment to moment. And that's _without_ factoring in how human error is indeed still a thing, no matter whether you're an ordinary player or a Riot employee. Hmm, why _would_ Riot choose machine-learning over hiring multitudes of overworkable employees, I wonder... Basically, if bringing back the old tribunal is your idea of "fixing" the system, then do you also try fixing sewers getting clogged with fatbergs by encouraging people to throw their waste out into the streets like in ancient Rome? There's often a _reason_ why the old way of doing things was abandonded.
: Am I really that toxic?
> [{quoted}](name=Nico Nico REEEEE,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QNLE4mvb,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-14T21:43:14.829+0000) > > Just to clarify I by no means think my behaviour was not wrong, I just expect someone to get banned so fast and after just one game because they were throwing n-words around or some other toxic stuff, not this. Except you _weren't_ banned. You were chat restricted. You can still play the game, you just can't use the chat window as often in the meantime. Aside from the fact that your screenshot only shows a tiny sliver of your chatlog (not that it helps your case either way, since I can still see you hurling blame at a teammate in it), I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. All this situation really proves is that no, you may not have been behaving badly enough to instantly reach the stage of being banned, but you _were_ misbehaving enough to get onto the punishment ladder in the first place.
Ghordir (EUNE)
: I GOT A 14 DAYS BAN
> [{quoted}](name=Ghordir,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6amu9MMZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-06T19:17:16.927+0000) > > I made a new one, and i get so many honors but in my last game i called some one a %%% and get instant 14 days ban. > WTF is this shit? > Not even a warning? instant %%%%ing ban. Wait, you used a zero-tolerance term and instantly jumped to the harsher end of the punishment ladder for it? Oh dear god! That's...actually fairly ordinary. And wait, you needed a warning to realize that hurling a homophobic slur at a random person you don't know as a form of insulting them is a bad thing? This is saying far more about you than it is about everyone else. > GJ Riot, cause your creating so much sensitive gamers that cannot ear a %%%%ing word and be a man about it. Golly gee, it's almost like words actually mean things or something. Holy victim-blaming, Batman! > I have gay friends, %%% = %%%%% = man the %%%% up. It'd be such a shame if your friends didn't speak or think for every gay person out there or if their tolerance for slurs doesn't mean that slurs aren't slurs, wouldn't it?
: This board is so dumb
> [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ydg2E5hz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-04T08:45:41.334+0000) > > God, this community is making me so angry And your overreaction to your wild, vague, disingenuous interpretation of board discourse is supposed to be _our_ problem? Perhaps this is a sign for you to actually _take_ that recommendation to grow up.
PYRUT MVP (EUW)
: Nope they gave us a mute button for a reason stop being soft and reporting or us flamers can just come back again and again.
Using the mute button implies the damage (if one can call it that) was already done. The report button is to prevent the proponent of the damage from getting away with doing even more damage. That's a _good_ thing. How do we know you don't just say otherwise because such an attitude means you can't get away with flaming any more?
: Offender 1: Verbal abuse Offender 2: Physical abuse thats not what op said. you are dumb
The OP was trying to make a comparison between the ban system and real life, and did so with a real life comparison that wasn't a good parallel with the punishment system and only saw to illustrate that the OP had an axe to grind. I _know_ it's not what the OP said. My point was that what the OP _did_ say was wrong. I would tell you to try reading between the lines a little bit before you go around accusing _other_ people of being dumb, but given your past history with this side of the forum, I feel it'll fall on deaf ears.
: Well i see now that coming to the forums for questions and discussions is just wrong since the community hates itself too much... First and last post here probably since a discussion without hurting feelings is impossible
Ok, no. If the replies you got in this thread are your idea of "hurt feelings", I question why you felt the need to go to a public discussion board to begin with.
: Account suspended for 14 days by automated System (first offence in 8 years!?)
> [{quoted}](name=General Jericho,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oycfB7fL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-19T10:54:42.405+0000) > > Now i can't celebrate the 10 year anniversary due to a dumb mistake on my part not knowing an automated system, that bans you instantly for 14 days and does not take context into consideration, existed. So the _system_ is at fault for you telling someone to take their own life, and having a reason to tell someone to take their own life magically means it was ok for you to tell someone to take their own life? You _know_ that's not how this works.
JustTits (EUNE)
: "Dear" mods, if you delete someone's comment
> [{quoted}](name=JustTits,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cwk8MT5I,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-18T20:10:15.998+0000) > > You should probably delete the other ones that's connected, or the entire conversation. It's an incredibly disgusting move to delete a comment and then just let literally all response to that specific comment stay there as well. Not if the parts that got deleted were the only parts that broke the rules. God forbid people actually act civil even in the face of misbehaviour. > Mainly if you also give out chatbans. The forum moderators and the instant feedback system (the latter of which is the only thing that can give out chat restrictions) aren't the same thing, so this means nothing. > Also, stop being so b*tthurt snowflakes. You guys are being pathetically oversensitive simply by saying that someone else is stupid. I love how you give no indication as to what exchange and subsequent comment deletion even sparked your post to begin with. Pardon me for not exactly trusting you to use "oversensitive" in any meaningful way immediately after whining about people being "butthurt snowflakes". For all anyone can ascertain, the comments that got deleted really _were_ the only ones in the equation that actually broke the rules. Oh, and here's something I noticed that's worthy of a laugh - you call people out for being oversensitive...yet you felt the need to censor the word "butt". 'cause, you know...this is a _classy_ spite post!
: So I guess I need to put out a motivation letter and go in depth on how they've truly and honestly reformed? No one's gonna bite that! Also after being permanently banned you can either quit or make a new account and they decided to quit and it's understandable that they did. Did they learn from it? That's where the honor level 0 kicks in - > if they haven't just issue a permanent ban again. It's not like the system's automated so riot wont break a sweat about banning again. However, if they've learned how to take their frustrations out, their account will 'survive'..
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=X5lneQLa,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-10-18T17:54:10.813+0000) > > So I guess I need to put out a motivation letter and go in depth on how they've truly and honestly reformed? No one's gonna bite that! Yeah, almost as if the act of reformation is for _them_ to do or something. > Also after being permanently banned you can either quit or make a new account and they decided to quit and it's understandable that they did. So why do you care whether or not they get their accounts back? > Did they learn from it? That's where the honor level 0 kicks in - > I'm honestly not sure why you keep bringing this up. Honor level isn't an accurate indicator of behaviour, certainly not when Riot has...you know...the actual behaviour as evidence. All honor indicates is how often people were compelled to click a button and occasionally make a number go up.
: Let everyone celebrate this anniversary
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=X5lneQLa,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-18T11:28:40.632+0000) > > I'm very certain they would rejoin if the bans were lifted. Let's say, enter League before 17th Nov and you'll get your ban lifted! > However I suggest their honor level remains at 0 and a next minor offense will lead to their account being permanently banned again. Riot have already experimented with an idea like that, and hardly any of the players involved in the testing of such a system put in the effort to stop misbehaving. Why should they believe your friends should be any different? You don't even necessarily say that they've even _learned_ anything from being banned, so _that's_ not helping your case. If they really want to come back, there's nothing stopping them from creating new accounts, so long as they don't repeat history.
: league of legends ban system in a nutshell/real life
There, I fixed it. Offender 1: You're ugly! Offender 2: How dare you call me that! (throws a punch) Offender 1: (throws a punch in return) I'm gonna kill you! Policeman: You're both under arrest. Both offenders: But officer! I was just defending myself! Result: Another reminder that two wrongs don't make a right and you should probably take the viewpoints of people clearly bitter at a punishment (like the OP) with a grain of salt.
: Every time I tell the truth to someone about their playstyle, I get chat restricted
> [{quoted}](name=3xtrat3rr3strial,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=KuIJZ0mj,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-12T17:09:02.000+0000) > > So Riot Games, be more precise in the future what you consider offensive. > > When I tell someone that they are a mistake of the nature (and that's true) you penalise me for being honest. Being honest and being a jerk aren't mutually exclusive. You _can_ offer up helpful criticism in a manner that _doesn't_ cause players already under pressure to feel _more_ demoralized. But no, apparently it's easier to just whine, moan and complain while labelling everyone who doesn't play up to your unspoken standard of skill as "trolls".
: 14 days ban for first time flaming?? %%%% Off!
> [{quoted}](name=Anonymous,realm=,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=moBiEaip,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-11T14:20:24.154+0000) > > Never been banned ever for %%%%ing flaming which that noob team deserved because they sucked Profane aggression _and_ an open admission to spite-fuelled flaming of a team, all in one sentence? Gee, wonder why someone as _pleasant_ as you was banned...
: Yeah you might have figured that he already saw the chat logs himself and doesnt need to post them publicly?? its none of your business?
> [{quoted}](name=abusegirls,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=moBiEaip,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-11T14:54:03.505+0000) > > Yeah you might have figured that he already saw the chat logs himself and doesnt need to post them publicly?? its none of your business? You are aware that most of the point of this part of the forum is to have punished players post the chatlogs for the purpose of clarification as to why they got punished in the hopes that they know what kind of behaviour to avoid in the future? Pray tell, how long _have_ you been around on this forum? Because the fact that your comment history only stretches as far back as a single month isn't giving me much hope.
Kissapro (EUNE)
: Since when jewish has been an insult? Its a metaphor for being greedy and caring only about money, Nothing personal to do with Jews OBVIOUSLY.
> [{quoted}](name=Kissapro,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P6WYAd0f,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-29T09:12:30.483+0000) > > Its a metaphor for being greedy and caring only about money A metaphor for negative characteristics? So, an insult, then. > Nothing personal to do with Jews OBVIOUSLY. So why bring it up in the first place? Don't you even _dare_ pull the wool over our eyes just because you want to worm your way back into people's favour after having squandered your chances at sympathy with your anti-semitic screaming. Take a hint from the fact that the comment you brought it up in was deleted, you will be fighting a losing battle if _this_ is what you're going to spend this thread justifying.
: Why should "I Agree"? EXCUSE ME?!
Mate, calm down. The leaverbuster doesn't issue bans, and hasn't done so for years. The most that'll happen is it'll take longer for you to enter a game, and that's assuming that the problem you had is even a regular occurrence in the first place. Like...good lord, you weren't even technically _punished_ and you still went off on this tirade. Take a chill pill, you'll be fine.
Surma (EUNE)
: It's not me, this filtering system for some reason adds multiple %%% just for no reason in normal words like pink-ward where "war" is filtered out. And guessing you didn't notice this I'd say you spend as much time reading as writing the response.
> [{quoted}](name=Surma,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=olRO5Eo5,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-22T15:08:42.303+0000) > > It's not me, this filtering system for some reason adds multiple %%% just for no reason in normal words like pink-ward where "war" is filtered out. Considering that it wasn't filtered in your comment here, are you _sure_ that's what's behind those percent signs?
: You've just proved my point.. {{item:3075}}
Ok. You keep telling yourself that.
: There are people who would understand my points and would at least try to consider them. And there are people who will stubbornly hold onto what they've said because their ego doesn't allow them to actually consider other opinions (you needn't waste time with those people). Judging by your attitude, you indeed are the latter.
Sir, that's a mirror you're talking to. I'm over here.
: Good. Is your psychological analysis over yet? You wanna sound smart so hard that you fail to even make sense. Go do your analysis on yourself because you sure do need it more than us.
You literally said you won't even bother explaining why something is wrong. If noticing that is your idea of "analysis", then...I'm not at all surprised that explaining felt too hard for you.
Red Erica (EUW)
: Inting and leaving unpunished
> [{quoted}](name=Red Erica,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T12:33:21.998+0000) > > Okay hi, > > you can officially go 0-10-0 with 0,5 deaths per minute and lowest dmg dealt to champions in a ranked game without consequences. Weird, almost as if intentional feeding is only undebatably punishable when the _intent_ is clear. > You can leave as much as you want -> low prio queue. That's still a punishment. > But offensive language BOOHOO! You don't even need to say the really offensive trigger words! Do...do you really need it explained to you that you don't need to be profane in order to come across as unpleasant to your teammates? > If enough people reported you in a small time span, you're gone. Only if you've done something wrong. And it means nothing if by "a small time span" you mean "a single match", since multiple reports are worth just as much as one report precisely to counter that kind of abuse. > And that happens to me because I flame all the degenerated griefers, obviously. You literally admitted in this sentence that you flame. Between this and the below tasteless "mentally ill" remark, why should anyone sympathize with you, even ignoring the fact that your complaint is based on vague anecdotes?
: All other comments are understandable but this one is wrong on so many levels that i won't even bother explaining
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-15T09:36:17.768+0000) > > i won't even bother explaining That says a lot about what mindset your opinion came from, to be frank. Never mind how a lot of what I said was questioning how you could possibly know things such as how you could tell your friend wasn't serious outside of "he's your friend", so the fact that you don't have an immediate answer to this is really telling.
: IFS - incredible %%%%up system?
> [{quoted}](name=CurlyBastard,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T02:33:40.151+0000) > > http://prntscr.com/p68z2a > Been in a 4-man premade game with my buddies. We were messing around and calling each other names in the chat. And people outside of your circle of friends are supposed to tell this playful banter from malicious name-calling...how, exactly? > My friend got a 14-day ban just because someone reported him for that even though you can tell he wasn't serious at all. His words are indeed offensive in a case where the writer MEANS what he writes, this was just a group of friends mocking each other and having fun! Again, it's rather convenient how you never mention _how_ you could tell the player wasn't being serious. The only reason you'd have for saying that is because you know beforehand that the player was a friend of yours. Which people outside of the exchange won't know, obviously. > P.S. Mind you this IFS is the very reason most of the community is getting their permabans. Permabans have been a thing in this game _years_ before the instant feedback system. > This is decreasing the player base in a very unwanted way - permabanned players hop to a new account and troll harder than ever before, and they don't get banned for it! **ROFL** How do you know that? Never mind how account progress and premium purchases are lost with an account ban, so it's not like there _aren't_ still consequences even if players _did_ jump over to another account. > The measure for people who are flaming should just be a goddamn chat ban, it's that simple.. Except it's not. Riot already tried making indefinite chat restrictions the highest form of punishment back in 2014, and all that happened was that people who refused to change their behaviour simply found other ways to ruin matches like intentional feeding and ping spamming. Permanent chat restrictions didn't get rid of the bad behaviour - they _moved_ the bad behaviour.
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