: League of legends rules foment more toxicity than helps it stop
Yes it does matter, I do not want to depend on a stupid company like Riot to punish players when they do something wrong, I deal with my own problems, so I say the %%%%%%ed shit they did if they flame me as they've done. But maybe for idiots like you a bullied guy who hits his bully is as bad as him. %%%% that, fight back coward. Riot rules are de facto %%%%%%ed regardless of what you say, it's a paralel situation with callout culture today which is way more toxic than what they intend to solve with it. It's cancerous, and does more harm that good. But hey, maybe I can learn to ruin people's game without breaking the rules with soft griefing hard to detect without saying a word :) That would be great for the game for sure!
: League of legends rules foment more toxicity than helps it stop
You act as if you don't live in the real world. You abstract yourself from life and create stupid examples detached from it. There's no God of morality (or any God at all), everything is contingent.
: League of legends rules foment more toxicity than helps it stop
Crush Capitalism: and put box Crush Capitalism: i stayed quiet when you deserved flame Crush Capitalism: now do the same Crush Capitalism: or stfu Crush Capitalism: stfu Crush Capitalism: sucks playing vs vayne, when bot gives a double kill team loses Crush Capitalism: nothing to do Post-Game Crush Capitalism: amost as much as udyr Crush Capitalism: dmg means shit Crush Capitalism: you dindt trap udyr Crush Capitalism: and you dare falme? Crush Capitalism: you let me die Crush Capitalism: cause you didnt pay attention Crush Capitalism: l2p Crush Capitalism: no shit Crush Capitalism: neither as shaco early game Crush Capitalism: shaco early game is trash Crush Capitalism: Morg Crush Capitalism: I ganked Crush Capitalism: after udyr and stayed in bush with box Crush Capitalism: so you come Crush Capitalism: and hit Q while hes feared Crush Capitalism: but youre stupid Game 3 In-Game Crush Capitalism: gay ass champ Crush Capitalism: NO Crush Capitalism: yeah got greedy Crush Capitalism: yeah mb Crush Capitalism: jhin ult had higher range than expected Crush Capitalism: it's in the shop Crush Capitalism: they are gerouping to early Crush Capitalism: ffs Crush Capitalism: and dont have jung to cs Crush Capitalism: threhs strong Crush Capitalism: stfu Crush Capitalism: they contorl whole map Crush Capitalism: threhs 2nd jungler Crush Capitalism: cant compete Crush Capitalism: shut the %%%% up Crush Capitalism: cant contest drake alone Crush Capitalism: more like sup dif Crush Capitalism: duh elise early game champ Crush Capitalism: i still was outjungling her until threhs started roaming Crush Capitalism: and i got mid tower Crush Capitalism: happen Crush Capitalism: happens Crush Capitalism: it was a trade Crush Capitalism: stfu Crush Capitalism: not going there alone Crush Capitalism: reported for flame Crush Capitalism: got more kill part than any of you Crush Capitalism: saving you this game Crush Capitalism: you ont deserve to win :) Crush Capitalism: lmao yummi Crush Capitalism: what does your ult do? heals them? Crush Capitalism: :) Crush Capitalism: gg wp Crush Capitalism: report vayne ahri for flame Post-Game Crush Capitalism: perma flamed Crush Capitalism: whole game Crush Capitalism: when they are worse than me Crush Capitalism: amazing Crush Capitalism: just did it twice or so jhin I used to never report anyone, but Riot system made me more petty (and notice in others too), it's why it's a bad system that's worse for toxicity, not better, it's trash.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crush Capitalism,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YkL0Wq6o,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-16T22:46:20.314+0000) > > Frankly it's ridiculous. > > You're expected not to flame, makes sense, yet you cannot reply back, if you do it's considered flame even when you're right, even when your criticisms are correct. Does it _help_, though? Taking criticism is already not as easy a prospect for a lot of people as you're trying to make it out to be - imagine how hard it must be with the addition of tension and pressure from competitive online play. Especially since you bring this up in the context of replying to flaming, which...how on earth do you expect _that_ to help? Considering your situation happened because you effectively retaliated, I'd have thought _you_ of all people would've understood _both_ of those concepts. > Here's what I told the staff last week about a case and where I discussed rules: > > -I've recently got chat restricted and the logs are really tame, I don't swear, say %%% or anything of the sort, my criticism is always founded, is this the level for punishment? Worse, is that I've played dozens and dozens of games and in just 2 recent ones i get chat restricted immediately. > > If you punish players for tame stuff like this it only makes one care less after first infraction because of losing honor rewards and stuff. What do you mean by "tame stuff"? I ask this because not only are you suspiciously coy about showing your chatlog, but swearing and zero-tolerance phrases aren't the only way to get punished. You do know that, right? > Caring about a game is not flame, criticism is not flame, replying in chat or writing a lot is not flame either. So what _did_ you do, then? Considering that you show that the support said that... > I see you were blaming other players for their mistakes and putting them down for their performance while spamming the chat with complaints. Such behavior does not encourage others to do better in the game and only creates a even more negative atmosphere! ...I'm starting to suspect that the only reason you believe the rules are bad is because it goes after more than just the worst of the worst, and targets behaviour that you (more than likely disingenuously) refer to as "criticism". If you behaved the way I'm suspecting you behaved, do you really think berating someone who didn't play up to your standard will suddenly magically make them play better? > And my reply: > > Your rules and the fake way companies act are more toxic than anything people say in chat. Literally _how?_ > It's disgusting even, vomit inducing reading the shit you type and you ever dare put hearts. Oh no. How dare a person representing a company attempt to be _friendly!_ I promise you, you'd find excuses to complain if the tone was cold and formal or blunt and to the point. And in any case, if you really want to convince people that you _aren't_ the sort of person who gives off enough of a negative vibe to be unpleasant to play with, antagonistic replies like that are _not_ helping your case. > People are feeble weak minded cowards nowadays and it's because of positions taken by companies such as this one. Or...you know...sometimes criticism can be overblown, unwarranted or unneeded and can often drag morale down when it's aggressively pushed enough. > **You're supposed to punish racists, death threats and stuff that crosses the line, people getting uncomfortable with rudeness or straightforwardness have to deal with it. They already do. You're only upset because they don't _just_ punish those kind of people. > Or at least be %%%%ing decent You're _pleasant_, you know that? > and enable an option to disable chat. It's not even coherent. Yes, Riot! Screw over everyone who uses the chat even for sincere communication all because of the relative minority of bad behaviour! > **Your rules create more toxicity, not stop it. You keep saying that, yet you give no proof to that. I don't know why I even bother. > I didn't report players because I didn't care, but since people started reporting me I reported others for minor reasons, truly pettiness. This is the dumb call out culture we live today and Riot is part of it and enabling it. Do you not see this Lola? Do you not see that all this crap is more harmful than good?** I mean..._I_ don't. Again, until you prove it, this is nothing more than the incoherent whining of yet another person who's upset that they flamed in retaliation and got caught. > Now I got 3 chat logs for a new chat restrict and in all of them my flame is either saying stfu to their flame or replying back with criticism of their plays If you're confident in saying that's what happened, _**show them**_. Otherwise, I'm still going to speculate that this only happened because you retaliated, got reported, got punished, and are now comically upset about it all the while blaming everyone but yourself for a problem that, irrespective of which way you slice it, is your own fault.
Another %%%%%%ed thing is logs not showing other people's post, as if it doesn't matter, as if context is irrelevant. In all of them I started getting flammed really hard, sometimes by more than one person, I just don't say quiet when they are to blame for their situation more than me. >Game 1 In-Game Crush Capitalism: what do you think? Crush Capitalism: that's wha you get Crush Capitalism: for not puuling Crush Capitalism: dude Crush Capitalism: stuf Crush Capitalism: you gave her double Crush Capitalism: and shaco not early game champ Crush Capitalism: you are all muted and reported flame Crush Capitalism: i will Crush Capitalism: keep going on eve with vision and die ahahah Crush Capitalism: then blame jungler Crush Capitalism: bot dont pull then ivnade and die Crush Capitalism: then cry Crush Capitalism: im climbing :) Crush Capitalism: check my W/D Crush Capitalism: yup Crush Capitalism: report diana flame Crush Capitalism: she wants feeds top since mid and jung not enough Crush Capitalism: another reported :) Crush Capitalism: k Crush Capitalism: can you believe this Diana had vision on Eve, all in her then died and flamed me for it? Crush Capitalism: me per,ma flaming? Crush Capitalism: diana and naut started flaming Crush Capitalism: i said nothing whtn they feed eve Crush Capitalism: and they complained and blamed me Crush Capitalism: THEY IUNVADED Crush Capitalism: LVL 1 Crush Capitalism: THEY DINDT PULL Crush Capitalism: THEY THINK SHACO DOESNT NEED PULL Crush Capitalism: I didnt die in that invade Crush Capitalism: she was 4-0 because of you bot and diana Crush Capitalism: that lost lvl 1 and 2 trades as if it was my fault Crush Capitalism: do it Game 2 In-Game Crush Capitalism: yeah couple of hits Crush Capitalism: what Crush Capitalism: report trist flame troll Crush Capitalism: reported too Crush Capitalism: you literally dindt catch udyr earlier and you dare flame me=? Crush Capitalism: when i was mid Crush Capitalism: and put box
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >You're expected not to flame, makes sense, yet you cannot reply back, if you do it's considered flame even when you're right, even when your criticisms are correct. retaliation is not self defence, its the same "crime" and should get the same punishment >People are feeble weak minded cowards nowadays and it's because of positions taken by companies such as this one. you broke the rules and got punished? and ppl are weak minded? rofl the irony is strong :D >Or at least be %%%%ing decent and enable an option to disable chat. have you ever heard of the mute option? it does disable the chat >Your rules create more toxicity, not stop it. I didn't report players because I didn't care, but since people started reporting me I reported others for minor reasons, truly pettiness. This is the dumb call out culture we live today and Riot is part of it and enabling it. Do you not see this Lola? Do you not see that all this crap is more harmful than good? so you are the part of the problem and you want to fix it? they did it, they punished you thus fixing the problem... if you cant see it just leave the game as soon as you can before they make the move for you with a permaban, we do NOT want toxic ppl like you here >Now I got 3 chat logs for a new chat restrict and in all of them my flame is either saying stfu to their flame or replying back with criticism of their plays, I literally just had a botlane that didn't pull me, invaded them lvl 1, died to their jungle, then they blamed me and reported me and i got punished for that. I didn't say a %%%%ing word when they did stupid shit, I stayed quiet, but if they flame me (and in this case they were not even a little bit right) I'm supposed to still say nothing? No, %%%% that, %%%% this %%%%%%ed rules that do nothing to benefit the game, it just creates more toxicity, now that I'm dishonorable for months do you think I'm motivated to not be toxic? I'm not a saint and ignoring a problem does not make it go away. Quite the contrary, maybe next time instead of saying something back and get punished I'll stay quiet and grief or go afk and risk low priority queue, this is why your stupid rules enable even more toxicity. yup, you are lost, they cant fix you because you dont want it, you want to fight, you want attention that you didnt get from your parents/family, you are miserable, thats why you are toxic, just uninstall and leave, it will be better for you but more importantly it will be better for US... so go and leave, and take your toxicity with you
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YkL0Wq6o,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-17T04:51:36.569+0000) > > retaliation is not self defence, its the same "crime" and should get the same punishment > > you broke the rules and got punished? and ppl are weak minded? rofl the irony is strong :D > > have you ever heard of the mute option? it does disable the chat > > so you are the part of the problem and you want to fix it? they did it, they punished you thus fixing the problem... if you cant see it just leave the game as soon as you can before they make the move for you with a permaban, we do NOT want toxic ppl like you here > > yup, you are lost, they cant fix you because you dont want it, you want to fight, you want attention that you didnt get from your parents/family, you are miserable, thats why you are toxic, just uninstall and leave, it will be better for you but more importantly it will be better for US... so go and leave, and take your toxicity with you Yeah, anti fascists are the same as fascists! Nice logic there mate. Just because you accept the rules since you're forced too doesn't mean they are stupid and unchangeable, you're a reactionary coward incapable of fighting for anything. Good projection there at the end too.
: League of legends rules foment more toxicity than helps it stop
Does Riot even recognize this as a problem? Do they look at the state of the game and think "we're doing a good job!" As I asked Lola, do you not see any problem with these %%%%%%ed rules? Are you more worried about the word %%%%%%ed than the literal %%%%%%ation of your rule system? Is that how you avoid doing something? By focusing on trivialities instead of the system itself? In a way very close to how weak minded liberals are reacting to systemic crisis blaming "extremists" when their own system failings is what is giving rise to it. Is Riot solution to bullying and oppression doing nothing and ignoring the problem until it goes away? Seems like it is considering they think if you reply back you're as bad as them, to go godwin law on you it's like saying beating nazi's make you as bad as nazi's. %%%% off, if I'm flamed I'll go all out on them and show them their stupidities. And if I'm not supposed to **THEN ADD A %%%%ING OPTION TO DISABLE CHAT**.
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