: Think about this: Why are those feeders only on your team? The enemy team has random players just like yours. And it gets even better, because they don't have you (who is not a feeder), they will have 3-4 feeders every game!
My actual theory is "winning and losing rows". I can be able to achieve 2 promotions in a row with normal teams with NO afks on MY team and enemy teams full of trolls. To start playing tomorrow with the changed odds till I have been demoted. I cannot control team mates going afk after 1 single, normal dead.
FleaLess (EUNE)
: {{item:3512}} + {{item:3060}} and avoid teamfights, thats how you can improve your chances of winning in low elo, no idea about higher on the ladder
We don't need to push, we need to farm...anyway, not even buffed those whom im speaking can play better, no skill is no skill =S
Rioter Comments
Aladhil (EUW)
: Dear Riot,....8 years and you still suck at behaviour management
A game were one player cannot win. But one player can make you lose. Having those kind of player more often than not makes the game unplayable. Tired of players affirming at minute 5, at first dead..."%%%% you I go afk" every single game.
: > [{quoted}](name=AudiMercBmw,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IOAVrZW3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-20T15:20:36.709+0000) > > I have no idea how Loss Forgiven works, but everytime you get an AFK you should get a Loss Forgiven and lose 0 points, i really think its logical idea. > > _**Maybe its kinda hard to make this idea because lets say you are playing with a duo friend and you are loosing then he decides to leave a game so he can only lose points and all team will lose 0**_. This is exactly why they wont do it
That's true...but that only shows us another issue...if you get AFK frequently you should be BANNED.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkGargos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UGNHZyE9,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T11:17:27.078+0000) > > No use to support items on those kind of team, solaris or redemption is not worth for ONE single ally. Remember they are all scattered, solo playing. As i said these kind of games are not in your favour, but if the rest of your team is doing good the only good thing you can do is to support them with all means, CC, shields heals,the more they are alive teh better, on some tanks you cant really buy any dmg so it is kind of pointless, and if they cannot do the dmg , pretty much nothing you can do about this games
As I see it, ALL is kind of pointless when your team is solo/scattered. Last game MF, talon good players, but talons was a solo player...me as Alistar trying to follow, just impossible....Garen and Shaco useless. Less farm and damage than Alistar Support/Tank. I will quit playing Alistar at this low ELO. It's kind of pointless...If you have a decent team or at least 3 nice players teaming up...you rule...if not, what's the usual situation this ELO....you can do nothing. I think THAT'S my answer.._**.Do NOT play Alistar low ELO.**_
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkGargos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UGNHZyE9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T10:31:14.769+0000) > > I know the basics of support, my question is...Can I do something with troll teams? > Last 2 games: > > 1.- Excellent team, 2/0/11. > > 2.- 1/6/4, adc grieving up about being always vs higher leagues, flaming minute 0, goes afk to int. feed after. > > As sonna support I could go dps and TRY to fill the adc damage role, but as Tank I can only bruise never doing enough damage to carry. This is not the way, if you have trolls afk feeders you most likely wont win that game, but if you keep playing it dont buy dmg items, buy even more supprot items and stick with the guys that didnt give up and want to try, the best supports in these situations are like Tons of CC supports, Threhs, janna, braum, ali,nami, but it is still a chance, if your team is good you can only hope is they will do enough dmg while you do your cc and try to stay alive for as long as you can, geting iron solari is alwasy goodeven if they are full ad team, you can try go ap only if playing lux, brand, zyra, but anyone else feels bad with dmg items, just build tanky supportive items for you and your team
No use to support items on those kind of team, solaris or redemption is not worth for ONE single ally. Remember they are all scattered, solo playing.
JenShen (EUNE)
: Support main here, since mid season 2. Mostly soloplayer, Tank-supports are not the easiest, but good tham kench, braum, ali, are always appreciated Supprot role is the best role there is, firstly because you have so many different choises for different team compositions and so on. My first advice is, play easy supprots at beggining, Janna, nami, braum, lulu, and so on. Then may attention to what adc your bot buddy pick and how they play, try to addapt to the different playstyle of every adc you play with( with games you can learn that) This is advice i would normally give, but have in mind that it may lead to flame towards you- if your adc Sux, cant farm,cant do anything in lane, jsut leave it and go to the one player that is doing the best and then support taht dude. lady or wahteven gender they are, this is risky because they will flame you but your job is to protect the most usefull one, if your adc is getting back in the game go with them. Ofc you need to know when to engade and when to go back. Wardin bot 24-7 is a must, pink in trybush will do wonders, you know your lane is doing good if you play vs 3 pepople on bot, this is usually the sign.( or the whole team is falling behind) learn to protect your adc( in laning phase and in team fights) in team fights try to save as much of your teammates you can but alwasy keep your adc near you in case they need you. Then try to learn harder supports to master like thresh, alistar,rakan tham kench, and others, keep in mind that people prefer tanky supports because most of the time, the team need tank, but if you hit bubbles with nami she can do alot in any match. when you start grouping never forget to ward and ask your team to help you warding( jsut hope they do not report you for offensive). this is the basics, dont die on lane , dont eat too much dmg, dont waste your mana for nothing. Will be happy to answer if you have more questions :)
I know the basics of support, my question is...Can I do something with troll teams? Last 2 games: 1.- Excellent team, 2/0/11. 2.- 1/6/4, adc grieving up about being always vs higher leagues, flaming minute 0, goes afk to int. feed after. As sonna support I could go dps and TRY to fill the adc damage role, but as Tank I can only bruise never doing enough damage to carry.
Rioter Comments
: Unfortunately i think this is just how league is and always will be, i used to get really annoyed and rage alot at trollers/afkers. I probably wont ever quit because i simply love the game too much no matter how shitty i believe the ban system or punishment system is. So yeah i dont think this type of behaviour will ever change, its better to just try to ignore it( easier said than done)or have a break. One of the points you made though the noct was just afk the whole game i think is disgusting that we as players in this situation are completely helpless and have to play out the game at a massive disadvantage.
Sadly I have to agree with you at, it will never change.
Rioter Comments
: After 5 minutes penalisation. Start a game. DC. Remake. 100% of my games today with trolls either on my team or the other. Is this working? I pass more time in the board than in game...
Starting a new game. Talking to the team at champions selection screen. Nobody reply. Instalocks. No tank. Error 404 team spirit not found. Bad feelings... PS: No surprise here...our jungle was a total noob, I suspect it was some kid playing his parent account or similar situation of not main account. Twitch jungle, no ganks, minute 10 ZERO wards placed, no farm, no damage, no objectives, no assists. Those stats are not even bronze 4. Not fair at all.
: First game of the day. Skipping...and going to the boards. Time played 0 minutes. Reason: Jhin mid, no tank, chat flame. Same shit every day. Trolls.
After 5 minutes penalisation. Start a game. DC. Remake. 100% of my games today with trolls either on my team or the other. Is this working? I pass more time in the board than in game...
Pyrosen (EUW)
: 9/9 games in a row with someone intentionally feeding, toxic or just AFK.
First game of the day. Skipping...and going to the boards. Time played 0 minutes. Reason: Jhin mid, no tank, chat flame. Same shit every day. Trolls.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkGargos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Nor9hjo,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T09:34:29.351+0000) > > It's hard...I do that but my last game my biggest mistake was supporting my adc TOO MUCH, she was not killing/hitting enemies buy I keep getting her fed...saving his ass. But it was not worth it coz her lack of skill. > > At the end of the game she was last damage...well it's hard to say when to stop supporting your adc due lack of skill, most adcs scale that much better than can carry with aa and no skill...but how do you know when to stop supporting her 1st? General rules of thumb: 1) You don't. You just do it differently. Instead of leaving the kills, you make sure the enemy has to back off or they will die, this causes them to be vary of you. That, in turn, allows you to clear their wards and then roam around the map. Since they have to be aware of you or get killed, they will play a bit defensively. Your adc will die solo anyway, you just have to make every move count. 2) Don't tilt. Thats the hardest thing to do, but most effecient. As long as your adc can farm and not die, don't bother roaming and instead soak up the exp, and if you use ancient coin/targon, free gold as well. Then build for teamfight utility, so you can support the other lanes as soon as the enemy start grouping
It's nice to try to be more efficient...but there are far too many games I can do nothing to change...our last Darius was not even bronze 4 skilled...mid was not much better, they got no farm, did no damage, defended no turrets, warded nothing.... As team, we can deal with 1 bad player, but 2 bad players are too much to deal with enemy team. Either I go tank and we lack damage or I go something like sona and I do lots of damage but my team keeps doing no damage... I can help farm my adc, but if top and mid are not farming I can do little as support early game =S Sad to say, that happens again and again. I'm able to see my mistakes, but most of my team mates are unable to see theirs and unwilling to be helped...one game my adc muted me after being killed just to say his name, followed by a kind remark to improve...at the remark i was already muted and he was flaming...it's hard to accomplish anything this way.
: I know climbing can be frustrating like that, but you have to understand that there's hardly a better way. Some games simply aren't winnable. You put Faker into Gold tier or higher, and even he will lose some games before he climbs back up to challenger. --- You lose some games without being able to do anything about it, you also win games without doing much about it. But the games that truly matter are the ones inbetween. It doesn't matter if you can't carry your whole team, if you play better than the average support in the enemy team, **you will climb!**
My main concern is, there are too many few "inbetween" games. Roughly the 20% of them due users dc, bad attitude, etc.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Thats why I said 1 game at a time. Cause that's not the only thing you have to do. Presice shotcalling is also something that impact the game a lot. I've won games 2vs5 as annie supp with trynda jungle. All because I called the fights even tho we had THREE guys running solo and going some 20deaths or more by 30 minute mark.(yes, I've been that low in elo). The only thing you can do, is provide utility or waveclear and keep your lategame carry alive. If you still can't win' then probably teamcomp was wrong to begin with. When you play a champ, you need to pick the one that synergizes with atleast 3 of your teammates. It makes it easier to carry, cause it's rather rare that all 4 are boosted or trolls. TL;DR one game at a time, one mistake at a time, fix your own mistakes and you'll climb eventually.
It's hard...I do that but my last game my biggest mistake was supporting my adc TOO MUCH, she was not killing/hitting enemies buy I keep getting her fed...saving his ass. But it was not worth it coz her lack of skill. At the end of the game she was last damage...well it's hard to say when to stop supporting your adc due lack of skill, most adcs scale that much better than can carry with aa and no skill...but how do you know when to stop supporting her 1st?
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: No, I'm seriously doubting, whether you know kench as well as you think you do. You don't need to help the whole team. As a kench: pick 2, get them fed, proceed to wreck. You can juggle lanes pretty effectively, which is why I like to play him mid
If you read closely I did just that the last game, stick to Veigar and Sion, not stopping to help others completely ofc. That's not enough to win a game, where 2 bad players impact in the game is A LOT bigger than 3 decent players. Anyway, at late game we would lack the 2 players damage in game and lose anytime.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Now it's irelia? Dude I asked about the specific game you brought out, you then changed to another game. 1 at a time. Besides the scenarios are totally different. And for second, I think I said that you cant win all but you can win most
Are you seriously asking me why I didn't help the whole team at the same time all game?
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: So basically your whole team got obliterated because they were most likely being 1vs2, yet you as support with hardcore roaming potential didn't even lift a belly? You can't win all games, but you can win most games
We start the game, we have no adc. Irelia was adc. He is afk under turret, hitting no minions, hitting no enemies. Shaco worked as assassin ks enemies but did not help in tf neither jungle. Sion, Veigar and me worked together, as far as you can do it being 3vs5 in team fights. Enemy congratulated us 3, reported irelia trolling...but a lost game is a lost game. https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vK0YRg_ObCsTdaCNqWztulygjXtmGDi/view?usp=sharing
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: it also means you dont have enough utility to keep your dumb team alive
> [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Nor9hjo,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-04-14T21:26:06.960+0000) > > it also means you dont have enough utility to keep your dumb team alive Yep, last game jungler dc, draven farming afk ignoring pings, jax top feeding 0 kills and mid having not even farm...try to support that team with all my utility xDD
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: You listened to the advice and climbed, but because you hit a wall you decided that advice is bad? I would say the fact that you climbed because of it already means it was good.
Doing more damage with a support/tank Tahm Kench than mid/jungler/adc is hitting a wall.
: This post started off well... and took an unfortunate turn.
The spirit is there, and I'm still doing it...but when you have bad teams...That attitude cannot help you xDDD
: So you're the kind of guy to completely give up on everything and anything the moment a little bump is in your path?
Nah xDD I'm the guy who though about learning a keystone for me to climb and saw it was only an illusion =) I keep doing the tittle trick to make me better.
Rioter Comments
: Unplayable game at this point...
Last game I play support, my Draven gets kill by jungle gank, he was pushing hard, river was warded by me. Starts flaming about useless support and goes mid...where he also die by jungle gank, coz ofc he is pushing hard again, now, with no wards....he flames on enemy jungle camping him. Kata comes bot, try a bit, all right but Draven goes afk or Int. Feeding til kata goes Int. feeding too...taunting enemy team to kill her... Top and jungle go semi afk.... ....
: ***
Ok I see you are in no need to argue, just flame...you can do it alone. Cya =P
: I don't know about you but I personally don't get any of those like maybe less then even 1% from the times when I'm playing. Which leads me to believe, since you seem to be implying that you're getting them constantly btw; that just maybe you're contributing towards that kinda result. And then you wonder why Riot bans you ppl instead of the 'trolls'.
You look a little "limited" to me, I never have been banned, I helped to ban lots of users, but I get always more users to back aka "legit reportable". And no, I don't help users to go dc, I'm not that omnipotent.
: Yeah cuz you TOTALLY get to decide what's legit and what not xD poor souls xD idk why so many people have this issue but it's really not Riot's fault that you lot think your own subjectivity should be 'the law'.
AFK, DC, running to enemy team to die, flaming, are legit?
: Let me rephrase that for you. Illegitimate reports do nothing no matter how many times you report except if they happen to be in fact legitimate. Cheers.
Legit reports do not enough either so what? Every day I get messages about helping to ban users...every day I get troll in my game, every single game.
: What really happens in ranked
Every game is full of trolls...every single one...either one team or the enemy team...
: Unplayable game at this point...
First game of the day, karthus mid, comes bot..aka x3 bot and mid alone...we go mid...he follows...we split...he goes away roaming... Minute 10 enemy team gold x2 ours, we are able to kill but not able to farm...gg...another troll...
: Try to carry your self pick mid. Its the easiest lane to carry a game. If you go supp you will cry alot, every people are diferent because in that elo only 5% know the mechanics of the game. You cant blame, do normals and train mid lane, and you will ranking up dont blame RIOT this game is too big, they cant ban everyone. They have stuff to do like make the game fresh, you dont know because you dont have a game with millions of people registered. You will caught people of all age I know its boring and sometimes anoying but you need to carry on.
Imho nobody alone can carry a game, not me, for sure. Yes, you are able to impact more to the game as Mid than support, but it's a team game. We are not talking about games 4v5 or 3v5....we are talking about trolls, so 4v6 or 3v7.
J3WN199ER (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=sirDarts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=%%%vPhes,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-09T10:52:20.787+0000) > > This is wrong. Trolls do get punished, but it's really hard to tell who is actually a troll, and who just had a bad game, that's why it is harder to punish trolls than flamers. http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=j3wn199er still waiting for punishment
Trolls do not get punish. Try yourself flaming, going dc, afk farming, etc...Nothing happens (only dcs in a row) but with all that and more you can destroy your teams game with no punishment.
Mugurele (EUNE)
: If you do anything from the list above and you don’t react on chat you won’t get punished. This is the end of the story! Punishments are made because of the chat, nothing more. But instead if we would change our way of thinking about the punishments we could solve this real problem.
Erm...I never have been banned. I'm not a toxic player...but I know I should be banned some times...and I have not...so...the punishment system is not even CLOSE to work.
Rioter Comments
: Trolls...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W4ZsOCHW4UCMY3M7HMKrd6vpE_ef-VZP/view?usp=sharing Ranked game...3 afk farming bots...
Aeroarcher (EUNE)
: Well it depends on MMR and rank you're in{{sticker:sg-lulu}}
> [{quoted}](name=Aeroarcher,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lFqlchGd,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-04-04T11:02:02.655+0000) > > Well it depends on MMR and rank you're in{{sticker:sg-lulu}} I'm not sure this affirmation is right. I heard the same on all kind of ELOs. You can think the higher you are the less troll you will find..but that's not exactly true. Lots of high elo players ask for "blocking players manually" coz in high elos there are few ppl and they are matched with the same trolls again and again... Btw...last game I won with 3 trolls in my team coz enemy team had 2 trolls and 1 int. feeding very hard...It's all the same to me....PUNISH SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK.
: Trolls...
By troll I don't mean BAD PLAYERS, I mean this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1poAfAeGED8OwHZLpkYXiRK9fk5ihR1Or/view?usp=sharing A riven saying to go troll minute 1, a dc and cait flaming hard and int. feeding. ............. Or next game champ. selection screen... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1drA6jt_KuCMutt8t-kGWRlrdTHr-eSfn/view?usp=sharing
: Trolls...
I had 3 games in a row with no "major" trolls...only bad players and negative attitude but no afks/dcs/int. feeding/extreme verbal abuse...That's something...
: Hes talking about trolls and toxic players, didnt really read anything related to him being stuck in his rank here.
Exactly, I win or lose. I'm talking about troll on my team or enemy team.
: Tribunal hasnt existed for 4+ years are you sure youre still playing league?
Say tribunal, say Riot...the punishing system does NOT work. That's the only issue here.
Modifi (EUW)
: Turn OFF surrender vote in ranked?
League of Legends has only ONE SINGLE ISSUE. Tribunal doesn't do his job.
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Modifi (EUW)
: Turn OFF surrender vote in ranked?
They go afk minute 5...and get no punishment at all...
Shiwah (EUW)
: It's actually 100% true that Riot can read those chats, because they have logs for them.
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=OIs6T8oj,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-31T17:43:09.649+0000) > > It's actually 100% true that Riot can read those chats, because they have logs for them. It's 100% true that what Riot is doing to prevent trolls is NOT working.
: You helped to ban..hurray.......
Again and again...after an adc afk flaming fountain, next game Ekko mid dc minute ~5....
: You helped to ban..hurray.......
Again and again ppl flaming and going afk fountain and dc and feeding and crying.... Can't ppl just try their best? Last game adc was 1/0/0, went fountain minute ~5 to flame til enemy destroyed our nexus/core/base. Me as Tahm Kench did more damage than olaf dps build jungle and adc...died less too, saved my allies plenty of times, had excellent vision, tanked, destroyed enemy wards....I did my job. But I cannot support trolls who go afk... Tomorrow I will have some messages saying "thank you to help report blablabla" and with that will come another troll team...so...whats the point?
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkGargos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pe2A2kAE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-29T10:27:57.439+0000) > > Do we need to improve Riot community aka less trolls in ranked games? As the saying goes: "cut off one head and two grow back". We can strive for a clean environment, but there will always be "bad apples".
> [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pe2A2kAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-29T10:46:55.155+0000) > > As the saying goes: "cut off one head and two grow back". We can strive for a clean environment, but there will always be "bad apples". 2 bad apples from 1000 is not really a solution imho.
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