: Have you truly read my entire post, or have you merely assumed what I was trying to tell you. Games like these will happen. And you are going to lose. So what? You will also have games where someone on the enemy team will go afk, or feed out of control. Those games won't matter because they will still be just drops of water in the ocean of **an entire season of ranked play**. So prove you can go up or stay where you are. The choice is up to you.
That's why I say "Two demotions in a row with dcs in my team". The demotion from silver was with 1 dc, to bronze IV too and there were plenty of games with dcs in my team and maybe 1-2 with dcs in the enemy team. And that's only talking of DCs, not about player skills on my team. More than skill I ask for a minimum of cooperation/reaction, like...if you are 0/8 and your team is telling you to play safe and wait for help, please, stop chasing. Well my team members do not undestand that.
: So you lost a couple of games, got on board of tilt-express and rode it all the way to Bronze 2? Mate, let me share a secret with you. You will have games like that in every elo. You just have to accept that. You should always try your hardest to win games, but there will be games that even when you play your best, it won't be enough. However, there will also be games where all the bad things that have happened to you will happen to the enemy team. You have an entire season to prove you don't belong in whatever elo you feel trapped in. Free wins and inescapable losses even each other out over time. But there will be games where neither your nor their team have braindeads on board. Here is where you will have a clear chance to prove yourself. If you can perform consistently in these games, you will definitely climb. This approach to climbing is called the 40/40/20 rule. I'm sure you've heard it somewhere before. 40% of all games are automatic defeats, just like yours were yesterday. 40% are automatic victories, because their team will play horribly, have someone tilt, rage, afk, etc. But the last 20%? That is where only you matter. So here's the deal. Put your LP where your mouth is and prove you belong higher than you currently are. There is nothing and no one who can hold you back other than you yourself.
Talking about last game I did a nice job, I got my adc fed, helped mid, take 1 dragon, warded objectives and map, save some asses, stayied cool with bad players, tryied to help...and my fed ADC got DC. Are you telling it's my bad, I should be able to win with 2 unskilled players feeding and refusing to interact with the team and 1 dc? Sir, you are delusional.
GLurch (EUW)
: I was just asking a question out of curiosity. I didn't argue with you about anything, so I don't need any arguments. So, are you the +10?
I'm not the +10, neither should I be a +10 to win at bronze or silver. I don't pretend to be so good to carry 2 total "negative skill users" and 1 dc...I don't thing it would be FAIR to ask me to do that in the first place to be able to progress. All I ask for is users able to communicate and play as a team. If they are feeding and all team members tell them to play safe, map is warded, pings are used and nobody is flaming....They should be able to "LISTEN" to all that and have a POSITIVE REACTION instead of keep going 1v5 deep chasing with all enemy team ss. I don't think its that much to ask on a team based game...just some cooperation/reaction/interaction with the team.
GLurch (EUW)
: Let me guess, you are the +10?
Let me guess, that your argument.
Rioter Comments
: This game community is a pile of bullshit that make me puke hard with harmony....
My bullocks are full...playing Alistar support and watching lux, trundle, jinx or ww going 1v5 vs a feed team again and again. I told them to go back, used pings, etc...there is NOTHING else to do, there is NO WAY to help those team.
4dc0nly (EUW)
: Hope you don't take offense... You are Bronze 1 after 500 games aprox.? With 30% Win Ratio? I agree with some points... There are a lot of players that think they are good, when actually, they are not at all. If you want to improve: 1) Mute all. All comments at your elo are like yours: trash. You don't want to spend time chatting nor listening to garbage. 2) Support Role is not to do the MOST damage. If you want to be the damage dealer pick ADC or MID. When you play to do the MOST damage, your ADC might be dying. I 3) This account was placed in Bronze 1 after my placements, 3 weeks later was gold. It is an hardous trip, because you have to carry. But each role carries differently. I will explain what my knowledge dictates: SUPPORT: support the team, keep vision (most important) and deny vision. Keep your fed carry alive at all times. Protect her, nurse her. Win the laning phase (aka play for your adc so she can farm freely) MID: option 1, assassin, win lane solo early and become a splitpusher monster late. option 2, mage, don't die early and become a AoE damage monster staying with your team. ADC: sustained damage, take objectives: turrets, dragons and nashors. TOP: option 1, tank, be the front line soaking for your team and putting the CC. Option 2, splitpusher, you can lrue the attention of multiple enemies and get away without giving kills while putting pressure. JUNGLE: secure objectives. Steal buffs. PUT VISION overall on deep jungle so lanes are aware of ganks and you can steal camps. General tips: always buy a pink when you have 75gold spare... Always. Sightstone underrated below plat. People don't react to pings. But if you placed a ward that shows enemy jungler coming... They might react to your ping, or even see the enemy jungler before you on the minimap. Top TP underrated... at Bronze you can just carry yourself with good TPs. Even at silver. Or just roaming. Hard to do good TPs mainly because people don't even ward or pink crucial points, but enemies overextend with wave on their backs and you can TP to minions. Stop typing in chat. Stop looking at chat. You are placed were you deserve until you improve.
I know warding it's important, but the main issue here is my team goes 3v5 vs a team fed, with baron and out the turrets. I'm sorry to say so but no wards can help here.
Rioter Comments
: Demote me already pls
Suprise, DEMOTED...a team with with all lanes feeding...but thats not the worse, you can be bad...but flaming is a choise...they flamed eachother aaaaaall game long... Me as Sona, suporting a Cait flaming our mid (a terrible kasa feeding, no damage and no farm) coz he didn't want to play as ADC...and cait was feeding, doing no damage and taking no farm either so...try to support that xDDD
Str33TXeR (EUW)
: Want a beautiful game experience? Stop playing support :D and get a early-mid champ that can solo carry each game. You heard me, no late game champs because bronze, silver and low gold divisions have their games ended before 30-35 minute mark. Good luck!
I think you are right. But I love to play support in a great team a score like 0/0/40 and I'm happy.
: Demote me already pls
Last Game Yasuo goes troll and int feed blaming his Jungle, to later steal farm from all lanes. Our pour Katarina with no skill got no kills no damage. My adc to support was Vayne who did well enough with kills with my help but had no farm at all. Another game with Sona support with more damage than champs like Kata and Vayne taking no farm and focusing in warding, helping, talking and saving asses from my team mates...Honored from my team mates and enemies but in a hard feeding and bad team due a troll (Yasuo) and a bad player (katarina). I'm positive at thinking its impossible to rank up as support.
: Lol and how is bronze supposed to be any better? People might be less toxic there, yes, but you're much more likely to encounter int feeders, afkers, teemo trolls and legit autists there. Just keep on winning till you reach mid/high silver MMR and you'll be fine.
I cannot win with 2 dc, or the kind of teams I get in Silver. Every single time I reached Silver this season, about 4-5 times I lost almost all matches with a very very bad game experience due my team members, but I'm protected to be in a new league so I can't get demoted... Yep I want to win and rank up, but I need a nice game experience (no afks, flamers, int. feeders, dcs) to do that and I don't see that coming.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkGargos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UE1AaX5v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-12T08:52:54.355+0000) > > Game 2: > As Sona support more damage than Yi and Jhin, more kills and more assists...team feeding hard about 25-3. > > I cannot be demoted coz the new league protection...pls pls pls...demote me so I can have a nice game experience... I was gonna ask why do you build Lich Bane and Ludens on support Sona... But i feel like answer will drop down my IQ
> [{quoted}](name=archerno1,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UE1AaX5v,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-07-12T09:24:52.983+0000) > > I was gonna ask why do you build Lich Bane and Ludens on support Sona... But i feel like answer will drop down my IQ ADC dc or afk. But I build it anyway, cdr, movement speed, ability scale, etc...nice to have with ardent cencer
: Demote me already pls
Game 2: As Sona support more damage than Yi and Jhin, more kills and more assists...team feeding hard about 25-3. I cannot be demoted coz the new league protection...pls pls pls...demote me so I can have a nice game experience...
Rioter Comments
Daymage (EUW)
: How is the game still so toxic?
Easy question, easy answer...and shorter... THEY DON'T GET BANNED. That simple, free flaming, feeding, afk/dc, trolling....for free! =)
Rioter Comments
Primo88 (EUW)
: Please disable in-game chat and add more pings
Yep, no need to chat. There is only flaming there xD
: Riot has a new troll.
At very single game since the promotion to silver I have at least one of those: -Afk -Dc -Int. feeder -Feeder -FlamerS. Maybe a support can carry a whole team if he is good enough, but I'm not good enough to win with 2 guys 0/10 and 1 afk...I'm not unable to boost my ADC when we are 3vs2 bot all the times =S I don't really know what to do =/
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: At some point you get mentally exhausted for the seemingly lack of action. Thats when you afk a game or 2 that is not worth your time anyway since it's better to read a book or invest money somewhere you get actual return, than just wasting time on a 40 minute flameroom
I guess it's called hope...
: so im watching your Games, your win rate is very low and like 90% of all games your kda is negative.....
Yep, thats after the promotion. And yep my games are going worse every single game due lack of motivation and good spirit. I need to say as a main support it's normal to get neutral kda ratios, imho my job as support is to get my adc fed as %%%% and help my team, vision and objectives. For me its worth to die and cause 2 kills to my adc, as a support i don't give that much gold when I die. Before the promotions I had better games, but that's not the point, I'm NOT her to say IM GOOD MY TEAM IS BAD, all I'm saying is the lack of cooperation and behaviour in my teams since promotion. I said to in a appart point, they are bad, but that's not a real issue, my issue is with flamers and afks.
: Aww, that's too sad sweetie. Im sure you're the only one experiencing this in all the world and the fact that you have chosen to become part of the problem instead of helping solve it in no way makes you just as bad as the rest of them. I do in no way implore you to change your attitude or anything, since i am aware that you cause is just and your spirit fueled by the flames of righteousness. Go forth and carry the flame of revolution into the hearts of silvers everywhere! (That is, until you inevitably get banned){{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
I would love that, sadly enough I don't get even warned...As Kansas said....Carry on my flaming son! For there will be peace when you are done! So sad an unicorn dies for every flaming guy born....{{item:3073}}
: Never expect players to get better from 1 tier to another
It's not that at all, my teams are a lot worse than before. I'm no longer having fun due to minute 1 flaming and losing 1st turret coz my adc is afk and my jungle does not help. I see flaming and flaming and more flaming every single game and I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE NOT BANNED =S
Rioter Comments
Haxoor (EUNE)
: Yea and on the 4th day half of them would just start another account welp. And where is $$ for RITO in banning so many ppl :P
Let them start another account, let them behave or get banned again. Imho I think a warning every 3 month is fair enough to forgive a "bad day" if you are perma flaming and you don't even get warned, something is not working. I have been playing for years at LOL and I think i only got 1 warning, never been banned. I'm not a super flaming guy, but I'm not a sister of charity either, I deserve to get banned for some time in my opinion. But nop, nothing, FREE FLAMING.
Haxoor (EUNE)
: I explain it this way: If everyone who said these things got banned, literally half of eune would be banned tomorrow (not counting me out since when ppl start flaming and piss me off I write back to them sometimes). And I'm talking from the gold perspective I can't even imagine how things are in bronze welp Do you think RITO want to ban half it's player base for chat that you can mute? {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Yep, you will warn 80% of the player base first day, you will ban 60% next day...but there would be a better game experience just the next. I would love to play in a toxic free game.
: THEY do get punished. Yes, people is plural.
IF they get punished...how do you explain so many "trolls" in every single match on both teams?
Baka Red (EUNE)
: Even though winning might be unlikely, it does not mean "cannot". Yes you can. ;) "You cannot win with 1-2 afks." Enemy team can have 3-5 afks. Easy win. Or the rest of your team is filled with Pro players smurfing, and you yourself might play better than ever and get chosen to their team. Big win! "You cannot win with flamers who int. feed." Enemy team can have 3-5 inters. Easy win. "You cannot win with 3 bad players in your team feeding 20 kills minute 10." Enemy team can all lose connection for rest of the match. Easy win. Almost nothing is impossible, some things are just more unlikely than others. Negativity won't help you win though and surrendering teams have 100% loss ratio. Weird thing that. ;)
Same as I told Mada, I dont give up, but it's not the best scenario when you have 2 afks.
Mada (EUW)
: You can win with 1-2 afks.
Yep, you can, but it's not the best situation to win.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: You can climb as a support just fine. There's no role that's truly better at climbing than others; it depends on your playstyle. --- I'll give you a small piece of advice that you should consider: As a support, part of your job is to ward to help your team obtain vision. In this game, vision of the map is vital in order to secure a victory, since it allows your team to be able to set up strategies and claim objectives safely, knowing when to back out since they can see where the enemy is. At the same time, your job is also to deny the enemy vision. If you allow them vision, they're negating the advantage you're getting with your wards. When you're playing support, you purchase the Sightstone, which is good. However, you exchange your Warding Totem with Farsight Alteration, which is honestly quite pointless. As a support, you should **always** exchange your Warding Totem with the Oracle's Lense once you've built the Sightstone, and swap that out with the Oracle's Alteration once you back after you've hit level 9. This trinket allows you to spot and remove enemy wards, denying them vision. Since you have the Sightstone, there's no need for you to get the Farsight Alteration. That item is better used for ADC or Mid characters, since they generally don't want to move to a spot where they can use Oracle Alteration, or thrown down a ward close to themselves. This is something you can improve on, which you can use to help yourself climb.
I like fairsight of alteration when we have map control i can spot and help my jungle to spot enemies faster. I ward all map and objectives and sometimes I steal more dragons than my jungle can take. But my skill is not the issue here. Last game a Tristana with no skill, hard early game but a nice team...Most of the players at bronze are not worth 100% supporting with a Janna or a Leona or thresh...I would love it, but if i take those god supports, i can do nothing if my team is bad. With other supports like Morgana, "Lux, poppy, etc" i can support and/or carry. Last game my adc was not worth supporting i changed my Poppy from full tank to cc and won the game helping my Top instead of my adc.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: But now you're making excuses for why it's ok for you to have 10 deaths, but it's not ok for anyone else. Honestly: Focus less on the mistakes your allies do, and focus more on your own. In your next game, you'll be provided with a 4 new allies, but you bring the mistakes you do with you from your last game. If you work to solve the mistakes you're doing, you'll have a more positive impact on the outcome of your game, which in turn will make it more likely for you to win.
I play as a support, if my team is having a hard time my job is to help them, I try to help them with their lanes fed and their lack of skill, i die, its normal.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: I somehow dont think u know what intentional feeding is
Running to turret again and again, running 1 vs 5 not attacking, etc...that is what I see in my game =)
: I'm using master YI to climb atm! :D Hes should a good champion to carry with even even its 3 vs 5! ^^ https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=DragonGate
Yep you can solo play with a Yi or a Tryndamere, solo farming and playing alone, but the game is not about that if you love to play support.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Last game, we had that 3 players feeding 20 kills at minute 10 =) In your last game, the highest death a player got in total was 13, and there's no real sign it was done intentionally. Being outplayed doesn't mean a player is intentionally feeding. In the game prior to that, the highest amount of deaths a player got was 11. You yourself died 10 times in that game. --- It's very easy to blame everyone else for losing your games, but that's the attitude that will ensure that you aren't able to become better and climb the ladder. The more games you play, the more your personal skill decides where you end up on the ladder. Measuring the "state of the game" from 2-3 games won't give you an accurate answer. Play 100+ games, and then see.
" we had that 3 players feeding 20 kills at minute 10 =)" not each one. Anyway, the fact is, they lack the skill and discipline to play smart, they keep feeding not listening to team pings, etc... When there are 3 players with this lack of skill/discipline/common sense...its hard to do anything good at all. The game where i died 10 times i was 5/3 or something like that, but teamfights where bad coz trindamere and vlad flamed eachother and didnt help the team.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: So why are your opponents able to win with the exact same players that you struggle with on your team? Your allies come from the exact same pool of players that your opponents do. There's no system that stalks you around ensuring that your team is the only team that has underperforming players.
That's the theory, 2 last games though...The enemy team had 1 troll int. feeding...my team had 2 =) Last game, we had that 3 players feeding 20 kills at minute 10 =) I cannot understand a player who is feeding 0/8 and keep doing the same over and over hoping the result will be different =S
Rioter Comments
Fake Masks (EUNE)
: Climbing=winning more games than losing.And it's impossible to be stuck because of your own team since the elo you're in are all players of similar skill level which means enemy will have "bad" players as well.It's your performance that's bad then. They are NOT the same thing.And yes IT IS YOUR fault.
> [{quoted}](name=Fake Masks,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=xY2hpa9Z,comment-id=000800010000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-03T15:41:56.362+0000) > > Climbing=winning more games than losing.And it's impossible to be stuck because of your own team since the elo you're in are all players of similar skill level which means enemy will have "bad" players as well.It's your performance that's bad then. > They are NOT the same thing.And yes IT IS YOUR fault. It's my fault a Katarina starts flaming and feeding to later go afk? Next game, my adc is afk, comes flames and go afk to dc later, we try and succes to dominate the game 4v5 our jungle Yi goes eat with his mother and stays afk 3v5 we lose... Next game Talon adc goes mid thinking he is mid, but he wasn't... Is that MY fault? Sorry sir, I don't think so....
Røkas (EUW)
: "It's only your fault that you can't climb"
Last two games...first one...A flaming katarina who goes feeding and dc...and the second one a flaming afk cait under turret who flames a little more and goes afk fountain til dcs, we were winning 4v5 but Yi has to go eat with her mother...3vs5...We still try...but it's impossible, surrender... It's only my fault? Tha fack are you talking?
: Silver ADC Main LFT or Duo
I'm main support if you need one of those things =P
: Main support Bronze-Silver (coz bad teams ofc) a platinium skilled ! xD
Ranked game: LUCK>>>Skill Feeding, flaming and afk Katarina...gl withing with this kind of teams.
ImJanemba (EUW)
: First of all, ill assume the "(coz bad teams ofcs)" its just a joke... Because if its not... I must desagree with you... i Got B2 this season *crying inside* And not im in promos to S1... It has been a really up and down... I was in promos to gold, 3 weeks ago... Saying its your team's fault?? Yeah, sometimes you cant really do anything to win... But its not always... Imma give you an example... My Last Ranked (since im not with my duo friend i go for the Toplane)... My team scores: SUP: 4-10-8 ADC: 6-11-8 MID: 9-12-10 Jungler: 4-6-13 (the only one who didnt feed) Me: 6-3-9 So, if you deserve to win, you will win, no matter what... That beeing said... Having someone to duoQ with is really nice, i also love to have a friend who i can trust... But you are really low, low elo... its better for you to try learn hyper carry champs because noone will want to duo with a bronze 4 (sorry, but its the truth)... Learn something like {{champion:55}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:114}} And carry yourself to Silver 4-3 After that you will find a good team mate to duo with... Trust me... GL On Your Climb Anyway :P
I like to play support =( And I'm even able to carry support late game =S And let me point something important. When you are support, your team is very important...coz...if you have no nice team to sopport, wtf are you suppose to do? =)
Nightfly (EUW)
: still if u want to win u need to get better in the game xD. i played against a dia bard that dude was a god he roamed all over the map and got alot of pressure and snowballed the game. if u get that well you can solo carry games. definitly is lower elo is easy to get ahead and win games than in higher elo. just take late game champ cuz games take longer that also has pressure in early game. examples: bard,tahm kench thresh blitzcrank leona even fiddlesticks. and try to perform better
> [{quoted}](name=Nightfly,realm=EUW,application-id=WtAasNBw,discussion-id=TermWNtk,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-05T09:56:54.606+0000) > > still if u want to win u need to get better in the game xD. i played against a dia bard that dude was a god he roamed all over the map and got alot of pressure and snowballed the game. if u get that well you can solo carry games. definitly is lower elo is easy to get ahead and win games than in higher elo. just take late game champ cuz games take longer that also has pressure in early game. examples: bard,tahm kench thresh blitzcrank leona even fiddlesticks. and try to perform better I don't think its fair to say I need to be diamond skilled to be able to carry my team to silver. I'm not that good, but im not this bad either. Another game jungle and top with less damage, farm than me as as support, with less minions, more assits, etc...aka working as a support. PS: AGAIN AND AGAIN I DO MY WORK AS SUPPORT AND I GET MORE FARM, MORE DAMAGE AND LESS DEADS... I CANNOT WIN A GAME WHERE THE SUPPORT DOES MORE DAMAGE THAN A YI AND A JINX....ALSO TAKING MORE FARM THAT VEIGAR AND CHO...WITH NO MINION KILLS ONLY GOLD FROM SUPPORT ITEMS....
Nightfly (EUW)
: please dont say its my team its my team. its you! you lose cuz you played wrong. that is what you need to learn.. otherwise u never get out of bronze/silver/gold. so stop talking shit and train ur mechanics macro play or even combo's. than u will be better play for you to carry you're team.
I lose all games I play correct and win the games I play bad. It's my team. When your lane is always good, but at the lane phase your team is feeding, you cannot leave your position so early, its your team. If you say go back and they go in 2v5, its your team. If you ward objectives and they stay farming lanes while enemy team is taking them, its your team.
Rioter Comments
: So you think millions of people in bronze are just unlucky? lol
Yep. If you want to point any finger, I would point it at the match making system. A single player cannot impact enough a 10 player team game to base the team result in his own skill. As I said, my last to game were bad and we won. A bunch of other games I did almost perfect games in my position with no "luck" coz we had a bad team. It's sad and I sounds like a cheap excuse, but it's like that.
: Ranked are not about skill...it's just luck...I did a bad game, I went afk last 2 minuts (postman at my door) and they won alone, I was carried...other times I do almost perfect games and lose...so... LUCK>>>>>SKILL
Another awful game and my team won...Nº1 assist all teams, nice dps, bad feeding....bad game...but we won...coz the match making put me in a better team...thats all...again...2 undeserved wins, now i will have 4 lost games in a row =)
Røkas (EUW)
: "It's only your fault that you can't climb"
Ranked are not about skill...it's just luck...I did a bad game, I went afk last 2 minuts (postman at my door) and they won alone, I was carried...other times I do almost perfect games and lose...so... LUCK>>>>>SKILL
: [](http://puu.sh/vEcVq/01d57eb7fe.png) -3 LP first dodge, -10 for every dodge after Personally if I've had to dodge 3 times I call it a day (30 mins wait per each dodge at >= 3) It's always worth it to dodge a certain loss game, not only do you not have to waste 40 minutes of your time, the LP loss is less http://puu.sh/vEcVq/01d57eb7fe.png
Skill over formation. You can get a perfect formation with unskilled players. A bad formation with excellent players. Asswholes that play as god or bad as their attitude. You cannot know. I had very nice players with no teamplay, i had bad players with nice teamplay...skipping it's not the way to get promotions.
venerdì (EUW)
: The game really is less about personal score and more about strategy, timing, objectives and coordination. These things are much harder to see than simply pressing tab and looking at a score. If your midlaner is 0/3 because he got camped, and you are 3/0 because the jungler didn't bother your lane, it does not necessarily mean that you are better than your midlaner. Scores taken out of context are a problem if you seriously want to improve.
It's a team game, all he/we are saying is we do our best in the team aka we do not play alone focusing our score. We do that, we take a nice score, he try to help our team, objectives, etc....but they are far to bad to be able to win.
Røkas (EUW)
: "It's only your fault that you can't climb"
I'm tired of trying hard as main support too. I love to help my team but its hard to support when there is no team...I cannot be N1 dps, killer, farmer, less deads, more assists in the game, help my teams survive again and again, take steal dragons and barons...AND STILL GET DEMOTED coz my ape team... It's a team game, it's not fair to be paired with apes again and again, 1 player alone cannot win neither 1 player + 4 apes can.
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