: Placing system
I could get S vs gold players. A challenger player could get S vs gold players. This does not make me challenger. The ability to understand team comps, mid game strats and how to close out a game. That's what is important.
FabieZ v2 (EUW)
: I had 3k HP? 3k hp + 250 armor Still botrk/jungler item AS, shouldn't be enoguh to melt tanks
Where did you pull 300 extra HP from? The max with that build at level 18 is 2.7k. Anyway, you weren't full tank so you get shreaded pretty quickly vs two full build ADCs. Don't know what you were expecting. You're Karma, not Malphite or Rammus. Late game is all about the carries. Not a tank karma lol
FabieZ v2 (EUW)
: It doesn't give armor pen and the damage gets reduced by the 250 armor
BotRK does percentage health damage. Plus an ADC that is fed is better going crit than armour pen. As they can melt tanks that way. The crit does more than the armour pen. Plus your recent game as karma has 1 health item with 250 armour. That's not enough health. Remember it's a multipler. 5hp x 5 armour = 25. 2hp x 8 armour = 16. See the difference? Obviously league maths has more variables, But the basic principle still applies. Having armour without health is like putting glass in a bulletproof vest. It'll still crack haha And this is all common knowledge pal. It's just basic maths. I don't know why you made a post about it, my 11 year old brother could figure this out
: you dont NEED skins, but you do NEED rune pages, unless u wanna have a frustrating champ select...
: This is probably biggest lost of players in LoL history after new update.
Well only 3 of my friends play league before this update. Now 8 of them have returned to league after a year from this new update. It's so much fun!
: Why do we have control wards when no1 is buying it
You're bronze. Every other elo buys them.
: please stop with the "support riot" bullshit, ive been paying over $300 in rp for skins, that more then enough support right there. and rune pages should be free because it is a frustration to play with only two rune pages. and riot is like "hay buddy i know you are frustrated with changing runes EVERY match select, so why dont you buy rune pages?" its obviously a money grab and the fact that you people are oblivious towards it just confirms to me why leaving league was the right call.
Skins are a money grab so why are you buying them if you are complaining about money grabs? Huh??? Rune pages cost money. They always have. Deal with it. ...or just keep crying here for nothing... whatever helps you sleep.
: What is your win/loss ratio in normal blind/draft pick?
Not sure... About 950 wins and 820 losses. So that's 54%. I remember is was negative years ago. Cos I remember hitting 250 losses before 250 wins.
: new rune system is masteries in disguise . they removed masteries, and made the new runes like masteries but now you have to pay 6300 for masteries. and btw paying for rune pages is stupid.
Ok so go tell a company that gave you a free game to take a part of what funds their game (Rune pages) ...**away.** Go and do that. See what happens. Watch them say no. Masterys/Runes... whatever. yes its the same in principle. So just cause its the same it should now be free?????? Rune pages cost. Always have. Deal with it kiddo. Kids have zero business knowledge... xD
: While I agree in principle, I think it's a massive stretch to expect everyone to reconfigure every mastery before the game. Extra pages are now needed. Since they combined masteries and runes I think they should split the difference between the cost of rune pages (6300) and mastery pages (free). So, 3150 it is. I'd totally pay that. Also the "you can now change masteries in lobby so that's why they are free" argument is always rolled out as if the ones you paid for could always be changed in lobby and you got the free pages to compensatefor the fact you couldn't but even under the old system that's the exact mirror of how it worked.
> [{quoted}](name=revengingangel,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=m3we7RHR,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-11-29T12:39:51.347+0000) > > While I agree in principle, I think it's a massive stretch to expect everyone to reconfigure every mastery before the game. Massive stretch??? What? This is hilarious xD IT'S A FREE GAME YOU POOR KIDS! Pay to support the game just like how we paid for Rune pages every other season. Or keep whining on ears that aren't listening lol. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} You're literally asking Riot to take part of their income (Rune pages) out of the game. Zero business knowledge. zzz...
: I came back to league after being absent for a year (new runes rant)
**Rune pages: ** They were 6300IP when you left, they are now 6300 Blue essence. Nothing has changed here. So you are misinformed. **Mastery pages: ** These were free. Up to 20 of them. They are now not needed due to the new system. However, you still needed rune pages in conjunction with these. **Conclusion: ** **Before: **Combo of runes/masterys where you had to buy rune pages 6300IP and couldn't change them in lobbys. **After:** One system of runes/masterys combined. The cost of runes pages is the same. You can now change them in lobbys so you only need 1 page. Any extra pages is comfort. Techinically, nothing has changed. You always had to buy rune pages. If you bought them before the change like I did, youd still have them. So for example I had 20 rune pages for 2 years. On the new system I still have 20 pages. You want to report riot games for a FREE game that has FREE runes which you can acquire FREE rune pages with in game blue essence you build up over time which are FREEEEEEE.
Zandernak (EUNE)
: I am level 43 and I thought I am addicted to this. But now that I see there are people who already hit level 50 I realized that I am not as addicted as I thought I was.
There's people playing 3v3 against bots over level 120 @8mins a game. Don't worry about it xD
Shierkan (EUW)
: Nami trying for MR 7
Hi. Diamond 5 adc/support main and I have a 74% win rate on Nami. Your problem is damage. Just deal as much damage as you can. Use your auto attacks and W all the time. Its not all about score or vision. Damage counts too. I got Nami to level 7 after 24k mastery points. One of my quickest to 7.
: If you look i havnt played on this account in nearly 2 years i just use it for the forums. I dont even play for my rank really, i play for fun first and foremost, ranked is just the most enjoyable place to do it. Also the flaws you mention are not even flaws. Dormant accounts - If this is a problem for a league system then its a problem for MMR. If in the MMR system the dormants drop out leaving only the actives, then you have Number of players @ x MMR - inactive players @ x MMR = total available players at X MMR vs equivalent in league based Number of players in X division - inactive players in x division = total available players in x division in case this is a bit confusing the end result is that you have the exact same number of players avail in a league system at a given rating that you do in an MMR rating at the equivalent elo. Additionally if the MMR decreased over time you open it up to exploitation as division does not drop with it. So if anything a true league system is superior here in every way. Smurfs - smurfs can easily be alleviated by examining comparative performance if they are such a problem, and jumping them divisions accordingly. Problem solved. My problem with the current system is not where I am, I honestly couldn't give a shit so stop trying to make it about me as a weak counter argument, its that it results in an inaccurate placement across the board and result in games in which you can see a wide spread of tiers and ultimately it renders your league placement relatively pointless.
> [{quoted}](name=Thunderbug,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q5vABj0r,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-26T15:48:32.463+0000) > > If you look i havnt played on this account in nearly 2 years i just use it for the forums. I dont even play for my rank really, i play for fun first and foremost, ranked is just the most enjoyable place to do it. Well if I look at your account I can hundreds of games played and you were placed in silver every season. > in case this is a bit confusing the end result is that you have the exact same number of players avail in a league system at a given rating that you do in an MMR rating at the equivalent elo. Additionally if the MMR decreased over time you open it up to exploitation as division does not drop with it. So if anything a true league system is superior here in every way. You missed a very key point here. The League system doesn't decay below Platinum. So a dormant account comes on a pretty much screws his teammates every game as he doesn't know the meta/champs. The MMR fixes that and thats why MMR is good here, as it is temporary. MMR can drop after ONE game. League system will take a lot of loses to drop a league/tier. Especially in a 5th division. So this is terrible for the teammates. > Smurfs - smurfs can easily be alleviated by examining comparative performance if they are such a problem, and jumping them divisions accordingly. Problem solved. I don't think you realize why people use smurfs. Many of them are deliberately low elo. So, problem not solved. The player will make the effort to stay in low elo such as gold. I know my friends do. > My problem with the current system is not where I am, I honestly couldn't give a shit so stop trying to make it about me as a weak counter argument, its that it results in an inaccurate placement across the board and result in games in which you can see a wide spread of tiers and ultimately it renders your league placement relatively pointless. Right so you're just making this post for the good of man kind because nobody else is complaining about this only players who are hard stuck in silver. And you're basically saying a bronze player is as good as a challenger player. "results in an inaccurate placement across the board"... Why do I bother with these stubborn players that aren't willing to learn and improve their game. Keep blaming others kid, you're challenger. Sorry. You're perfect. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Random lag spikes. How do I find the problem?
: Im actually gold now, but w.e. You let the league system sort it out, that's the idea of a league system, in order to stay where they are they would need to intentionally throw games which would get them banned. Also dont throw insults because you dont understand how the two system oppose each other.
Silver 2 is the new gold? Hmm I never knew that. Also, theres little difference between silver and gold. I do understand your theory on how they oppose each other. But theres massive flaws by only choosing one system. You don't take into consideration smurfs (They smash low elo for free then instead of getting matched with other smurfs/skip divisions). You don't take dormant accounts into consideration (terrible in league system, great in mmr system as MMr is temporary), and to be honest... if you just improve your own game instead of blaming the game, you'd climb. Climbing league is down to one thing and one thing only... winning. Youre like a pro footballer complaining about stats in Fifa. Just play the damn game and win. Your desired league rank will come and your mmr will follow. Or sit here and whine like every other hardstuck player, and watch **nothing** change. Your choice pal... Riot ain't changing anything.
: Pick a League System or an ELO system NOT BOTH.
So how do you deal with Smurfs... Don't blame Riot because you've been silver for 5 years while everyone else got better.
bloodhore (EUW)
: LF agressif support diamond
Add me. I won't be playing much ranked until S8 starts. So I'll Supp ya then. I play can play everything support.
ørcüs (EUW)
: Champion Select Bans
Play blind pick.
LordGyno (EUNE)
: I hate new runes 0 logical
TKP B1lly (EUNE)
: You shouldn't Decay in Pre-Season.
I thought you don't decay in pre-season. I don't...
lnsaneeez (EUW)
: Which champ should i learn to fit my current picks weaknesses?
Well considering bot lane counter picking is primarily decided by the support picks, you should learn all ADCs.
Icepaw (EUNE)
: and which of theese counters would you apply in a timespace of 0.11 seconds?
Well it's impossible for any assassin to kill someone in 0.11 seconds... unless you fed them. So I guess that's your own fault. You died 16 times vs a kayn recently lol. Wow still in gold 5 after 600 games this year and 5 years of league total... It looks like it's **you** that's the problem. Not league. Keep blaming everything else but yourself, it'll keep you in low elo :)
Icepaw (EUNE)
: Damage levels
There's more counter play in games now. All 100%-0% champs have been slowed in a sense of reacting to an ability n stuff.
Chawsiku (EUNE)
: New Ideas for Season 8
1) Why? 2) There is already club chat. 3) There's always champs that need skins zzzzzz....... 4) A lot of licensing problems with this and riot don't make money from it, nor does it improve gameplay.
: I never really thought it that far ahead, but even so, IP adress cant be used because what if there's a family of 4 or 5 somewhere, doesnt matter, and 3 out of 5 play league, the other 2 are too young. If you ban an IP adress non of them can ever play league again on that adress. (Correct me if I'm wrong because im not really into IT but an IP adress is for each network right? Not each computer device?)
Yes you are totally right :) It was be stupid of them to block an IP Address. An apartment block could all be using the same IP. However, it can be used in conjunction with other details. For example, same PC login ID (yes, they can identify those) with the same IP address and a pattern of time. Meaning, the same person is logging on the same PC/internet and they go to work/school/busy during "X" hours and always play league at "Y" hours. There's a pattern. The reviewing employee can make an educated decision from that point. Especially considering Riot already monitor how often people click in game/different elos and other things like that. It could all be incorporated into a system to detect the same person. **TL;DR:** Yes it would be stupid to block an IP. They won't. So yep there's no way to prevent Smurfs altogether automatically. It would require manual employee labour which is $$$$$$$
: They can hardly stop making people from new accounts. It's hard to know wether you're new or just making a smurf.
**it's easy to spot** I work in fraud (Not riot). It's pretty damn obvious to see a new account and links. IP, user activity, registration details, email domain patterns, username patterns, phone, address, age, PayPal/cc used, machine ID, login ID, friends patterns... List goes on and on... and that's excluding in game things like champions purchased/playing, mouse settings/keybindings, avg clicks per min etc. They could set all this up to detect them... . **Increase in costs to stop it** You are right saying it's hard to stop it unless they IP address / machine block... but that's easily circumvented for anyone even a little tech savvy. Plus Riot would have to employ and fund a team to monitor, review and ban Smurfs on a regular basis. Which is more money down a drain. **Loss of income to stop it** Riot just don't action it. Which I agree with. Let people have Smurfs. Everyone does it and it's useful to practice a weaker role on a different account, especially with IRL friends that are lower elo. Plus Riot get additional funds cos Smurfs usually don't want to grind to get the IP/BE for their champs, So they buy them. €€€£££$$$. They'll never ban Smurfs globally.
S1lentQ (EUW)
: What’s the problem I have 250k blue essence love the new system
How the hell have you played thousands upon thousands of games and you are still gold? That's actually amazing.
: He is 4th as the most played champion and his winrate is nowhere near the other champions, {{champion:412}} has 46.58% winrate.
Actual stats contradict the stats you made up "Hardys77": https://gyazo.com/d99700226a13bc05a009c7df6118798a https://gyazo.com/df979b836934eb0c82962be7042cfc64 As shown above, Thresh has the #1 pick rate for support and a 49.38% win rate. Which means as the highest pick rate, inexperienced players bring that win rate down. So his actual win rate is good. Therefore the most adaptable support with one of the best kits does NOT need a buff. Stop defending Thresh just because you spam him...
: He isn't the most played, Sona is the most played support. And Sona has the highest winrate as support and he has 46.86% winrate, lowest as a support.
Actual stats contradict the stats you made up "Hardys77": https://gyazo.com/d99700226a13bc05a009c7df6118798a https://gyazo.com/df979b836934eb0c82962be7042cfc64 As shown above, Thresh has the #1 pick rate for support and a 49.38% win rate. Which means as the highest pick rate, inexperienced players bring that win rate down. So his actual win rate is good. Therefore **the most adaptable support with one of the best kits** does NOT need a buff. Stop defending Thresh just because you spam him...
: Thresh doesn't fit in this patch
Thresh has the #1 Support pick rate with a 49.38% win rate. He's perfectly fine. Thresh is really good. It's just the high pick rate/bad/inexperienced players bringing down his potential.
Faaabro (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DeRoo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EGlEY7sP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-15T11:25:45.463+0000) > > I personally use a spreadsheet of what counters what in bot lane. For adcs and supports. And good combos. > > **Learn them all. ** Where did you get this from? Or did you create it on your own?
I one tricked my way from Silver 5 to Plat 2 pretty much exclusively playing Jinx over a couple of years. So this time last year, I learned more ADCs & Supports. I made a "work-in-progress" list of what counters what as I learned each champion. Now I can play all, but I'm really good at 9 ADCs, 17 supports. I climbed to diamond extremely quickly from this. Started placements in Feb in G3. By March I was D5. Since then I've just been playing "fill" and maintaining the rank cos I don't have the motivation to go higher. I will focus on that this season coming.
BSNT 1994 (EUNE)
: Smurfing as a support does work
Support is one of the most effective roles now lol. Why is this a surprise to you? Riot have been buffing it constantly. I got to diamond maining ADC but now I main support cos it's so much easier to win and carry. Braindead role. I've like a 74% win rate on Nami over 42 games in Diamond as an ADC player. Good job on the winstreak :)
: Iam gold but i got silver icons???
You got gold 5 in solo queue You got silver 2 in flex queue You get rewards for both. Unless u didnt hit gold What's the problem?
Faaabro (EUW)
: The right strategy to climb Season 8 as support
I personally use a spreadsheet of what counters what in bot lane. For adcs and supports. And good combos. **Learn them all. **
Zetic (EUNE)
: Mastery Champion reset item from 5+ to 0
No I quite like my 22 level 7 champions. I didn't work for them for a reset.
Yavimawa (EUNE)
: New runes for tanks
I personally think bad players are penalized heavily when they make a mistake. So this is why a large portion of the community is complaining. Cos usually the lower the elo, The more they complain and be toxic as they don't understand what's wrong. The runes are perfect for tanks. Just my opinion.
: oh, ok then, i'll just play one bot match each day to get the first win and be done with it. man this game is FUN
Lol you can't win a game??? Guess what? If you didn't win a game on the old IP system **you'd be in the same situation!!!** You would not get much IP!
: > The system is actually better for casual players, And most players overall. You actually get more. The effectiveness of the new system heavily depends on your 1st win of the day and how many games you play in a day enphasis on "win". these changes wouldn't have impacted the game so negatively if they didn't also change the runes, now players have to reinvent their strategies AND hope to find good loot in those damned capsules to get the few champions that are guaranteed to win with any rune combination possible (mostly champions int he 480 and 6300 tier). if only they had waited with one of the changes this would have been a lot easier to deal with.
Not my fault you don't win. And the comparison is 1win, 1 loss on both old AND new systems. So if you lose all the time on both - not Riots problem. Its yours. Also, each capsule is not complete 100% RNG. They each have to value to a minimum, meaning you can't just get Ashe. You'll get Ashe and more. **Another player that doesn't know the details of the system nor has worked out the math behind it. Educate yourself. **
smooker36 (EUNE)
: 64 games on rift for 4500 BE 5 levels
Another post on this? Really? Go onto reddit and read the maths behind it. The system is actually better for casual players, And most players overall. You actually get more. The effectiveness of the new system heavily depends on your 1st win of the day and how many games you play in a day. And its worse for no-lifers who play league all day. So maybe riot should change that part.
: support is dead
1st off, Janna is OP late game. So they had to make her lane suck. I'm sick of 1 trick Janna/Soraka players. 2nd, I've like 22 champions at level 7 mastery. Most of them being support. And finally, Support is OP!!! It's so strong. I just played a Rakan game last night with 95% kill participation (21 of 22). I got to diamond as an ADC main but I switched to support cos of how strong supports were.
: I actually just quoted you... "because you didn't buy control wards or ward eves camps" Your words not mine. These types of ideas can only come from a 50 IQ.
Yes you need to buy control wards vs Eve. As a mid lane you can easily push and pop a ward over the raptors wall. Then you can stay more on the warded side of the lane. Top you can push and walk into red/blue. Or just deep in river on the crab. Bot you shouldn't push hard vs eve and they shouldn't kill either of bot laners in a 3v2 pre level 6. Only if the players are bad. And if you at pushed in... She has to dive. It's common sense really :) Keep trying to insult me though it really hurts! Ouch! Makes you a better player too!
: Uh it feels too bad...
Congrats bro! Diamond 2 is much better than Diamond 3. Just FYI for future :) I'd recommend you practice the other roles exclusively in flex queue next season if you don't want to use another account. Or just in normals. Then keep solo q for supporting! I hit diamond 5 as an ADC main but then I changed to maining support. I recognise I definitely cant get high diamond playing ADC. I'm hoping to climb up diamond a bit as support main as I've big win rates on some supports. I actually carry hard as support (to my surprise).
: > [{quoted}](name=DeRoo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WTEsEOHl,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-13T14:22:18.288+0000) > > Well you shouldnt get 1 shotted. Unless you're really far behind. Or you get her already. Work out the maths dude. She can't one shot you if she is not fed or you are underleveled. > > Yes you deep ward or put control wards. Exactly. What's better? Losing a control ward? Or losing your life and feeding her? Hmm? > > Glad I could help while everyone else just downvotes you and doesn't bother :) Oh, so cute how your blackened heart trys to hurt my feelings. Typical european/american kid with 50 IQ. Must have been a sad and lonely live for you, if you take your joy from other peoples anger. :) And yea, i get downvoted. I dont need approval from a bunch of idiots of your kind. I have self esteem, something you milennials dont know. I dont need likes and approval. But whatever, Im talking to a person who thinks controll wards stop eve, and who thinks dropping deep wards isnt a team efford, is really easy to do, and should be done by ADCs. I also have to do this for my whole team since they aint gonna do it. So to sum it all up : - Drop 3 controll wards on each lane (can only buy 1 but whatever, not like your brain cares) - Run around as ADC in the enemy jungle in order to drop deep wards (brilliant) - Fight her Brilliant.
Ouch. Really hurt us there. Now you are twisting my words. Good one. It's a sign of defeat in a debate :) Donald Trump does it haha. Best of luck! You'll need it.
Realznk (EUW)
: It's not boosting, I was in Gold 3 during Season 3, are you blind? There's proof right. there.
Season 3 was a long time ago. Plus both accounts have always finished in Silver. So I'm not sure where this "gold" is. Just find a normal duo like everyone else bro.
Dinzzoo (EUW)
: Support looking for Gold3-Gold1 smurf in Silver
AKA "Looking for boost to gold". You're not a smurf. This is your 5th or 6th post about this lol. Boosting is against the rules.
: > [{quoted}](name=DeRoo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WTEsEOHl,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-11-13T14:09:38.594+0000) > > Ok "einstein". Allow me to educate you as I have years more experience than you. > > Eve does not have a perma stealth. It is camouflage which can be revealed by fighting, control wards, scyers bloom, being within 700 units of an enemy, red trinkets and being attacked. She doesn't get camouflage until level 6. So again, she's not perma stealth. > > You seem to not know the difference between Invisibility which Vayne and Wukong have and Camouflage which Twitch and Eve have. Or not know eve either. Google it. > > And lastly, you lost because you didn't buy control wards or ward eves camps over a wall. If you did that, you'd know where she is. Or else u just fed your lane. > > Cry more. Oh wow, by fighting? so when she kills me, I can see her while im getting one shotted ? Oh, thats nice. Also, damn controll wards ? Ooooh, thats the trick. Too good that eve cant just kil the ward, and then gank you. Also, yea, im going to drop some deep wards next time while i play ADC. EXACTLY! Brilliant fcking idea. Thats probably going to work, ill just walk into her jungle, hope she doesnt catch me, then ill drop my 60 second wards, and ill just go back to lane. That sounds smart. Damn your experience really educated me. These brilliant ideas.
Well you shouldnt get 1 shotted. Unless you're really far behind. Or you get her already. Work out the maths dude. She can't one shot you if she is not fed or you are underleveled. Yes you deep ward or put control wards. Exactly. What's better? Losing a control ward? Or losing your life and feeding her? Hmm? Glad I could help while everyone else just downvotes you and doesn't bother :)
: "The average person plays 4 hours a week" Not for this Heimerdinger
Holy shit that guy needs a girlfriend... wow!
: > [{quoted}](name=DeRoo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WTEsEOHl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-13T13:53:29.472+0000) > > Well when the enemy has a 19/0/4 eve at 20 min, what do you expect. > > I'm pretty sure I could 1 shot someone as Soraka if I had that amount of gold at 20min. and another thing. at least soraka is visible. i can see her. i can ward. i cant do that against stealth champs.
Ok "einstein". Allow me to educate you as I have years more experience than you. Eve does not have a perma stealth. It is camouflage which can be revealed by fighting, control wards, scyers bloom, being within 700 units of an enemy, red trinkets and being attacked. She doesn't get camouflage until level 6. So again, she's not perma stealth. You seem to not know the difference between Invisibility which Vayne and Wukong have and Camouflage which Twitch and Eve have. Or not know eve either. Google it. And lastly, you lost because you didn't buy control wards or ward eves camps over a wall. If you did that, you'd know where she is. Or else u just fed your lane. Cry more.
: Stealth is a GREAT mechanic for solo Q
Well when the enemy has a 19/0/4 eve at 20 min, what do you expect. I'm pretty sure I could 1 shot someone as Soraka if I had that amount of gold at 20min.
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