Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=jYbnnldq,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-19T19:53:12.147+0000) > > That's the point. Some people don't become wiser in a year. And most other people will only think "one year ban? Time to jump on my smurf, kkthxbai". > > There's been actual research on this from Riot, and only few steps are deemed necessary to increase reform rates. The current rates sport a 95% reform rate after a simple warning. > Care to show your source for your "not true"? > > The fact is, a perma is not a life sentence. Your account only is banned. Your person is not. > > Fun fact: you _can_ prove you changed, and even decrease the punishment level... provided you don't get a perma in the meantime. > > The _believe_ they're not negative. Also, the warnings are the chat restrictions and the 14-days ban. > > Which is why it's pretty hard to get punished in the first place, and why permanent bans are the last resort. I seriously had a game today where I said something like this. Hi opponent, report this adc because he is lagging all the time. He was complaining about it last game. He lost the game 0/10 and now he is 0/6 already. If you know you lag and you start a game you are intentional feeding the opponent. I didn't knew they were 4 premades. This support said in all chat. Lets all report this Toplaner (me) then he get a chat restriction. Next game I had chat restrict with a reform card with 5 sentences and 2 games? Well seems fair right? I can send you some results of a research I did. that shown that kids react better when they get the chance to improve there behavioir then to take things off of them.
: Greetings. It's very hard to tell whether this idea would really change the punishment system for the better or for the worse. The permanent ban is not supposed to reform players. It's point is to remove them from the game completely. --- I think having a permanent ban is necessary, because there are simply people who don't intent on reforming, and will never do so. So if your "Season ban" was to be implemented, it would be right after the 14-day ban. --- We know that Riot did an experiment where permabanned players had the chance to earn their account back by leveling up a new account, and showing that they can improve their behavior. The experiment failed horribly... Almost all of the candidates didn't manage to level the account without creating a negative experience for other players. Unfortunately we don't know how much time they had to reform before they got to level up the account. It's hard to tell if waiting for a whole year is really going to make a difference. --- I am sure that Riot has already thought about long term suspensions. We can only make assumptions, but Riot most likely has much more information and knowledge about this. That means they either decided that it would not be useful to have "Season bans", or they might try to experiment with it in the future.
> [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=jYbnnldq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-19T19:49:19.063+0000) > > Greetings. > > It's very hard to tell whether this idea would really change the punishment system for the better or for the worse. > > The permanent ban is not supposed to reform players. > It's point is to remove them from the game completely. > --- > I think having a permanent ban is necessary, because there are simply people who don't intent on reforming, and will never do so. > > So if your "Season ban" was to be implemented, it would be right after the 14-day ban. > > --- > We know that Riot did an experiment where permabanned players had the chance to earn their account back by leveling up a new account, and showing that they can improve their behavior. The experiment failed horribly... > Almost all of the candidates didn't manage to level the account without creating a negative experience for other players. > > Unfortunately we don't know how much time they had to reform before they got to level up the account. It's hard to tell if waiting for a whole year is really going to make a difference. > > --- > > I am sure that Riot has already thought about long term suspensions. We can only make assumptions, but Riot most likely has much more information and knowledge about this. > > That means they either decided that it would not be useful to have "Season bans", > or they might try to experiment with it in the future. Thanks for this good answer! With good arguments. Yes The Season ban should be right after the 14 day suspension. How much Riot knows about Long term suspension every player is different. For me personally is the fact you can't deffend yourself for a suspension and the chance to reform makes me think about how Riot can makes this game better then it already is.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=jYbnnldq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-19T19:35:53.062+0000) > > Since forever, actually. > > Because it was found out that more intermediate steps don't increase the chances for reform, but the opposite. > > What's the point of a permanent ban if it's not really permanent? Where's the edge? > > Why should you get rewards for being an unsportsmanslike player? Last time I checked, Santa brought coal for bad kids... > > You have 3 chances, how many do you need to realize that you're being an asshole to other people? > > The more a ban is delayed, the less the person is to realize that their behaviour is unacceptable. Which is why you see so many people begging Riot to unban them after they get a perma. They weren't going to change, if not for the perma. > And making it a seasonal ban takes the edge off of it. Hello Shiwah, Thanks for your Quick reaction. Well I think you didn't got my point actually. If you get a season you are banned for a year! Time enough too think about what you've done. You become a year older and hopefully wiser. The point you make about how shorter between the punishments how more they realize that there behaviour is actually not true. Every addict can't say he is an addict in the first view weeks. And if the punishment is that he got life sentence. He realize what he have done when he is in jail. And has no chance to improve what he has done. The fact why people are begging riot to unban there account is because they ban it just too fast. You got no warnings before you got punished and your reform cards sometimes shows chatlogs that aren't even negative at all. Only Time can make people think about what they've done. Not the high level of the punishments.
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GLurch (EUW)
: No, they close the tickets, because they answered your question. The ban was probably justified and the violations of the rules are most likely obvious. I can't say though without the chat logs.
Glurch? I asked them a question and they come with answers like you already had several punishments? What are those answers?
: > My solution for this frustration is; Give the leaver 5 minutes to come back, after those 5 minutes. He got punished. And everyone is able to leave the game without punishment and the oppurtunity to start a new game. The team that wins gather a full win (18-22LP), but the losing team (4 players) lose a view LP (3 - 6). This will make people less frustrated about the time they "Lost"< The Problem with this is when I am premade and get stomped upon I just leave for more than 5 minutes. I take the LP loss and my buddy takes less LP loss...Too easy to abuse.
Sure but then make sure the punishment of leaving is high! And make it Solo Qeue no premades allowed or just 1.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
you don't understand what I try to say. when ranked make me Retaliating. Why I can't play normals? When I in both game modes shown negative behaviour a Permanent Ban would be fair.
GLurch (EUW)
: A Supporter (no, not a Janna) always looks through the tickets and then decides, if he should write a message himself or if he only needs to send an automated message.
Not true, I send a lot of tickets, some really worth to write back too. They couldn't answer me because they have no arguments and they end up saying; We close every ticket you open. I just asked them normal questions they couldn't answer
GLurch (EUW)
: Everything needed for communication as a team are pings. And if this person uses the chat only to insult others, just mute him. You will still see when he needs help and what he wants to do because of his pings.
Sure and when you ping him to leave he doesn't listen and dies over and over again? or he keeps pinging you 100 times? Or you ask for help? Play really defence. The jungle pings she comes and you lure fight. But at the end she does rift scutler. I still asked them nicely why didn't come or to stop? but they instant flame me? I report them but never see they got punished. So got the feeling I'm on my own and riot does nothing
GLurch (EUW)
: No. Person B made everyone else in the room just feel even more uncomfortable with his throwing around with insults. I said he heavily insulted, meaning he not just said "Could you asshole get out of here?", no, he said something like "Fcking moron, you asshole should stop it or you deserve cancer".
Tonight I will send you some chatlogs I said. Never HEAVILY insuly just tell them to stfu and focus win. That is all the point.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Why does Riot permanent ban player for retaliating in a ranked game. Say that I shown that I'm the worst player in ranked and can't play in a competive enviroment. Why I can't show my behaviour in a normal game enviroment? If Both are negative a player shown behaviour that shouldn't be on the rift. This punishment system doesn't work.
GLurch (EUW)
: Yes, that person hurt you. So why should you let him hurt you any further? Just mute the person and he will not be able to continue hurting you.
We are a team and we have to work together to win a game.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I didn't played good, you saw that correctly Eranicum. But never intentional feed. I played 4v5 games, Team that feed opponent. As Adc or mid you got focused a lot and when your opponent fed, you die much. I only play (ed) ranked because I know my plays are good enough to competite with others. And yes I do care when someone trolls in ranked. In normal games I don't care. I just play(ed) normal to try or train champions. Nowadays people try champions in Ranked games and feed massive
yosusun (EUW)
: Hello DennisjeP, I feel sorry for your Permanent Ban, Riot seems not to do anything about it. I like your ideas about making the game more healthy, I don't understand the people that say that you just have to press the mute button. You have to co-operate and muting people won't help a thing. If someone use the word cancer and your mom past away (I think yours did) because of it. You can mute that player but the worst already done. You feel terrible. So muting won't help a thing.
> [{quoted}](name=yosusun,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-10-06T11:33:54.661+0000) > > Hello DennisjeP, > > I feel sorry for your Permanent Ban, Riot seems not to do anything about it. I like your ideas about making the game more healthy, I don&#x27;t understand the people that say that you just have to press the mute button. You have to co-operate and muting people won&#x27;t help a thing. If someone use the word cancer and your mom past away (I think yours did) because of it. You can mute that player but the worst already done. You feel terrible. So muting won&#x27;t help a thing. Thanks man. Yeah unfortunatly she will never come back! I contacted Riot. But they never say a thing. Only automaticly generated messages.
GLurch (EUW)
: Yes, it won't make the damage that is already done be undone, but it prevents from further damage. It's the best thing you can do: 1. Mute 2. Report 3. Forget/Ignore
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-06T11:49:57.240+0000) > > Yes, it won&#x27;t make the damage that is already done be undone, but it prevents from further damage. It&#x27;s the best thing you can do: > > 1. Mute > 2. Report > 3. Forget/Ignore So say you play a ranked game and someone damage you by cursing you and wishing you to death you still play the same as before? or you play worse? The teamspirit is gone at the moment when that player start cursing you. Next game is another game. I never insult people because a game before that game made me tilt or something. I just asked people why they curse with cancer, %%%got or , %%%%%%? I also told then they should visit the hospital to see what impact it has on peoples life. My life is changed. I hope there will changed too.
GLurch (EUW)
: No. You do nothing -> you don't get punished. The option "running" doesn't exist. It's the dame as doing nothing, hence ignoring the person. That basically is the same as a mute button. You only get punished if you also "fight". While the actual good way of fighting would be, to just report and ignore the person, I don't think you mean that, since it would be the same as the other 2 options. 2 people insult, flame, troll or do whatever to each other and break the rules while doing so, both get punished. See it this way: A person throws around with plates in a restaurant. Let's call this person 'A'. Another person insults A heavily for throwing around with plates. Let's call him 'B'. The owner of the restaurant kicks A *and* B out of the restaurant, because both were destroying the atmosphere for the other people in the restaurant.
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=00020000000000000001,timestamp=2016-10-06T11:46:09.645+0000) > > No. > You do nothing -&gt; you don&#x27;t get punished. > > The option &quot;running&quot; doesn&#x27;t exist. It&#x27;s the dame as doing nothing, hence ignoring the person. That basically is the same as a mute button. > > You only get punished if you also &quot;fight&quot;. While the actual good way of fighting would be, to just report and ignore the person, I don&#x27;t think you mean that, since it would be the same as the other 2 options. 2 people insult, flame, troll or do whatever to each other and break the rules while doing so, both get punished. > > See it this way: > > A person throws around with plates in a restaurant. Let&#x27;s call this person &#x27;A&#x27;. Another person insults A heavily for throwing around with plates. Let&#x27;s call him &#x27;B&#x27;. > The owner of the restaurant kicks A *and* B out of the restaurant, because both were destroying the atmosphere for the other people in the restaurant. I think we both know that B is right about the fact that A behave terrible so the owner will only kick person A. Because without person A, person B wasn't triggered to insult him. But nice metafore.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-10-06T11:12:23.817+0000) > > Consider this: if someone is so annoying you have to use the mute button, chances are that you don&#x27;t lose any tactical talk from them, because there&#x27;s absolutely none of it. Still Riot wants to punish toxic people right? Now you tell the mature players to ignore these toxic players and when they don't they recieve a punishment too. When something happen you have 3 type of reaction. You fight, You run or you do nothing. In all cases you can end up with a permanent suspension.
Blanco40 (EUW)
: Permabanned ?
Hello Bobby, Welcome to the club of permanent banned players, I'm 22 years old play league since season 2 and have seen this game change into an unplayable game. We got a lot in common in the way we get our permanent ban and I think you played a long time too! Since League has gone viral a lot of kids started to play. These players are abusing Ranked Games while they are not capable to play. And give You, me and other players that want to play a serious ranked game negative experience. Unfortunatly Riot do nothing about that. I contacted the Player Support, but all they can say is some automaticly generated message. Like some saints here like; You already had 10 and 25 Chat restriction and 14 day suspension. When I asked them what I did wrong? They never could answer. I know your feeling and I know why you react like that. Unfortunatly Riot and all the saint players. Look through a Black or White glass. If I tell you you're a moron. I'm negative but when you keep trolling me over and over again in a ranked game, flame and blames me. I think I can call you a moron. Unfortunatly Riot can only provite my chatlogs so people that doesn't know the context will say I'm Toxic. It's all about the money. New Champs, Reworks, Hextech, Tier 6 and Tier 7. Every single thing they did last years is all about the money. If I carry every game, win and tell everyone to stfu I know I never get 1 punishment. If I carry my team, losing the game, but tell everyone to listen to me so we can win and to stfu being negative, you got permanent suspended that These kids only care about victory. If they lose it's your fault even when they are 0/20/0. But you can't blame them they are kids. It's like argueing with you son about candy. Wake up Riot, Wake up!
Goofle (EUW)
: There is a misconception among the community that the game is actually competitive in a solo queue setting. It is simply not true. You might be trying to hit Masters for years when other people just buy a masters account and end up playing on the same games as you. Then there's also group-queuing that completely messes up matchmaking. A lot of boosted bronze people sit at D5 right now. A lot of them will start playing again in S7, after they get their borders and this time they won't be getting boosted by anyone. Guess who they're gonna play with. YOU !!! So, even though you are in D5 because you actually deserve it, the games will still be pretty much like bronze. Clown fiestas everywhere. As you see, a lot needs to be changed for Ranked to become competitive. Firstly, it needs to be solo-queue only. Secondly, account sharing needs to be detected and the accounts permabanned soon after. Riot simply hasn't put in the effort to detect and punish such violations. They simply don't care. And don't tell me that it can't be done.. Online casinos ban you instantly if you try to make a second account. It can be EASILY done. So, all you need to do in order to not get permabanned is to adapt to the environment. Flaming is not allowed and is the only thing that can get you permabanned. There is no reason to flame anyways, since the game isn't competitive. Just enjoy the game and if you can't enjoy the game anymore just sit in fountain and a-click mid every now and then while waiting for it to end. No reason to get frustrated.
> [{quoted}](name=Goofle,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-05T22:08:08.281+0000) > > There is a misconception among the community that the game is actually competitive in a solo queue setting. It is simply not true. > > You might be trying to hit Masters for years when other people just buy a masters account and end up playing on the same games as you. Then there&#x27;s also group-queuing that completely messes up matchmaking. A lot of boosted bronze people sit at D5 right now. A lot of them will start playing again in S7, after they get their borders and this time they won&#x27;t be getting boosted by anyone. Guess who they&#x27;re gonna play with. YOU !!! So, even though you are in D5 because you actually deserve it, the games will still be pretty much like bronze. Clown fiestas everywhere. > > As you see, a lot needs to be changed for Ranked to become competitive. Firstly, it needs to be solo-queue only. Secondly, account sharing needs to be detected and the accounts permabanned soon after. Riot simply hasn&#x27;t put in the effort to detect and punish such violations. They simply don&#x27;t care. And don&#x27;t tell me that it can&#x27;t be done.. Online casinos ban you instantly if you try to make a second account. It can be EASILY done. > > So, all you need to do in order to not get permabanned is to adapt to the environment. Flaming is not allowed and is the only thing that can get you permabanned. There is no reason to flame anyways, since the game isn&#x27;t competitive. Just enjoy the game and if you can&#x27;t enjoy the game anymore just sit in fountain and a-click mid every now and then while waiting for it to end. No reason to get frustrated. I don't understand what you try to say?
GLurch (EUW)
: >The worst thing I might said was Shut the fuck up -> Stfu. Because people cursing with Cancer, %%%got, %%%%%% or Tell me to die or they feed intentionally, steal farm on purpose or keep pinging 'Stfu' loses all meaning in a game with a mute button.
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-06T04:52:12.832+0000) > > &#x27;Stfu&#x27; loses all meaning in a game with a mute button. Mute button is really good when you are in a team game right?
: >steal farm Does not exist, you might disagree with your jungler or a roaming laner on his opinion of taxing but there's nothing wrong with them doing it. > but never got one reasonable answer to my biggest question; What did I really do that toxic I deserve a permanent ban? Have you tried checking your chat logs. Btw share chat logs. > For me it's unfortunatly too late You can make a new account. >Intentional Feeders Are already punished. > people that die too much times or have such a low KDA in an X amount of time Riots system can already detect intentional feeding, your proposition would just massively inflate the amount of people being banned for no reason. > have such a bad game they shouldn't play ranked Whether someone should or should not play ranked is their own decisions, unless you are the person doing it it wont affect you more than once since the person will drain down all the way to B5 unless they start winning >This makes the Ranked Games more Healthy and make sure no one will intentional feed to rush the opponents victory. Because they can't play a new ranked after that game. So basically you want to control peoples choice to play a ranked game, if they are gonna lose LP it's their choice to Queue up. And no all it would do is make ranked more toxic since it would make BEING BAD AT THE GAME ILLEGAL >In the lower divisions no one talks to each other Start with yourself. This is not a division issue, this is a you issue. > The swap function is only used between premades Yknow if you tell someone nicely to first pick a contested champion there's a good chance they'll do it for you. Communicate with your team. > people random ban some champions that they think it's annoying. That's what ans are for banning champions you cant play against or are good against your comp. >The pickorders are random This is not an issue. > But the low division players can't play against there counters that is why they low division. So you can lose games in champion select this way. And you deserve to lose than, because in order to climb you'll have to learn to play a losing matchup. > To make a fair game The game is fair. >make it good to swap It is already good to swap if you want to get a contested pick. >the swap function will be really nice to use to "outplay" the opponent and not reveal your important damage dealers. So basically you want to have blind pick with a visual update. > I'm curious to hear your reactions, Text does not make sound.
> [{quoted}](name=Mecha Syrena,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2z1Wf5P6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-05T21:38:58.887+0000) > > Does not exist, you might disagree with your jungler or a roaming laner on his opinion of taxing but there&#x27;s nothing wrong with them doing it. > > Have you tried checking your chat logs. > Btw share chat logs. > > You can make a new account. > > Are already punished. > > Riots system can already detect intentional feeding, your proposition would just massively inflate the amount of people being banned for no reason. > > Whether someone should or should not play ranked is their own decisions, unless you are the person doing it it wont affect you more than once since the person will drain down all the way to B5 unless they start winning > > So basically you want to control peoples choice to play a ranked game, if they are gonna lose LP it&#x27;s their choice to Queue up. > And no all it would do is make ranked more toxic since it would make BEING BAD AT THE GAME ILLEGAL > > Start with yourself. > This is not a division issue, this is a you issue. > > Yknow if you tell someone nicely to first pick a contested champion there&#x27;s a good chance they&#x27;ll do it for you. > Communicate with your team. > > That&#x27;s what ans are for banning champions you cant play against or are good against your comp. > > This is not an issue. > > And you deserve to lose than, because in order to climb you&#x27;ll have to learn to play a losing matchup. > > The game is fair. > > It is already good to swap if you want to get a contested pick. > > So basically you want to have blind pick with a visual update. > > Text does not make sound. Your "answers" to my post are really off-topic and doesn't fit the game at all. So I wonder if you even play this game and on what division you play. I will only react on the fact about my chatlogs. I'm permanent suspended in March it's October right now. I send riot support a lots of emails and never heart one good reasonable answer. That might felt like I deserved a permanent ban. I play this game since season 2 and sure I can make a new account but that is not the point. it's about justice. I can share my chatlogs here. But Will Riot ever change? No that is not the point. My point is to make this game more fun for people to play. And the solution will help to make that happen. Your reactions with phrases out of my post shows me how negative this community actually is.
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DennisjeP (EUW)
: Champion Mastery shown in Champion Overview
Thanks for your Reaction. True it's a little bit pointless, but champion mastery is a little bit pointless. You won't play better then you did before, only because you got a tier 4 or tier 5 crest. I think it's just cool to add some features (like this one or others, suggest you ideas too), so it would be nice to get a champion Tier 4 or Tier 5.
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