: >Idk my friend was suspended for 14 days on his 6 year account for saying the 3 letter f word. He said it in a way that should not break rules but the bot doesnt know that. If you mean the word "f a g", then there is absolutely no way to use it in a way that isn't against the rules. It's a derogatory term, meaning it's always bad. >So naturally he quit the game because of the fear of losing his acount. Hardly, because what's the point of owning the account if you are not going to play anyway? It's not a reason to quit.
There actually are a few words. An English man I consider my friend often times will ask me whether I fancy a %%%. Translating into, would you like a cigarette. The Oxford dictionary will inform you about another even more common meaning. So... Yeah. It is possible, but from context quite easy to check what was actually meant.
: >KDA (Kill,Death, Assisst) is a number that shows the quota between Kill and Death while including assists. This means achieving a High KDA can not be generated by not dying. It would stay at 0, it can only be achieved by Killing with the secondary idea of not dying. Actually, if your deaths stay at 0, your kda is infinite, not 0. You can't divide by 0. And you don't need kills to grow your kda. Assists will do just fine. In fact, kda players are most often supports and ezreals (you know, only use q to deal damage). I'm not going to answer the other parts because they are off topic. >But I am actually not certain how the game handels Karthus killing after dying. I bet some Karth mains know this. Same as everyone else. The kills you get while in combat do not add to your bounty before you are no longer in combat. So if you kill 2 people and someone kills you in the same fight, the killer will not get a bounty from those 2 kills of your but they will added to your bounty on your next life.
>Actually, if your deaths stay at 0, your kda is infinite, not 0. You can't divide by 0. And you don't need kills to grow your kda. Assists will do just fine. In fact, kda players are most often supports and ezreals (you know, only use q to deal damage). Technically yes, practically 0=1 when it comes to KDA going 11/0 will not grant ∞ it gives out 11. Thats it. >I'm not going to answer the other parts because they are off topic. Oh comon... it was not and you know it. It was very much on your rambling about GOING IN IS THE WAY TO GO For the Karthus thing. True. Do you happen to know how they handled it before they patched in the bounty delay?
: >U focus to much in this Except i didn't focus on it pretty much at all. Your definiton of a kda player is wrong. A kda player does everything in their power not to die. That means they will only participate in fights if there is no risk of dying. Your definition means they basically want the lasts from the kills but that's not it. They will also assist you in killing someone but there must be no risk of dying in doing so. That's a kda player. A good player plays on the edge. Not too risky but not risk free either. That's a smart player. An example case would be that there is one opponent left and there is you and one teammate. You could run away and save yourself but that means the enemy kills your ally. However, you can stay and help your ally, the enemy turns on you and kills you but you could deal enough damage for your ally to finish the enemy off. A kda player wouldn't help there, but a smart player would. >And yes dying can be part of a tactical play, but than it should be played more in the idea of" I have no bounty on me, I am a minion, I can bait" Except it doesn't work that way. The bait has to be worth taking, which means it can't be a worthless player who does the baiting. Sure 1k gold bounties make these tactics less optimal but that's another topic. >You took Karthus as example. He works not on the idea of dying. He works in the idea of being unpunishbale for being squishy. A good karthus will not die! He can, be he won't. The thing that makes him strong is that he will keep doing dmg and that he is allowed to die, forced. So don't die works for Karthus as well, it just is not a necessity. Sure you don't always have to die, but in cases like baron fights, his job is to go in the pit and (while not exactly his goal) die there. That's the optimal way of playing him in those situations and yet the game punishes him for it.
>Your definiton of a kda player is wrong. A kda player does everything in their power not to die. No mate. You just focus on one side of the coin. KDA (Kill,Death, Assisst) is a number that shows the quota between Kill and Death while including assisst. This means achieving a High KDA can not be generated by not dying. It would stay at 0, it can only be achieved by Killing with the secondary idea of not dying. This is why true KDA player will not just shy away from dying, but actually do everything in his power to get kills, but also to make sure HE/SHE gets the kills. This is why I wrote on the aspect of them actually keeping dmg back until they are in execute range. The play style of ADCs is often considered KDA and with good reason so. Many are KDA players, but also many just want to stay safe, cause dying is harsher in them. 1. They die faster, so less margin for error, 2. as I said they have no fall back to "press everything " to take somebody with them. They just die. >A good player plays on the edge. Not too risky but not risk free either. That's a smart player. That is just not true. Look at good players, what do they all have in comon. They die less then the average soloQ player. Look at pro play. THey maybe have half the overall kill compared to SoloQ This is because they don't play on the edge... or they do but in a different manner than you think. On the edge as you say it would mean to try to get every thing you can. Often also refered to as Kill greeding. (Thats what I call it) and On the edge is what Yasuo players do. You either get tons of kill or die trying. And that is not and option for consistent play. Especially in SoloQ there is a very high chance you will just meet a better player that will just destroy you while you are overextending on your 'edge' What we see from pros more often is. Play safe. Play smart. There is this famous quote that sums it up "never take a fair fight" It means you play with the option to retreat as long as you are equal powers. When you are weaker you just try to find a better option and refuse to engage at all. You only engage when you are certain of having the upper ground. This still can fail, but just watch some pros. They don't randomly trade. They are not on the edge. They don't go in on the idea of maybe having enough dmg. they know they have enough dmg. So they go in. They don't say, This is 50 /50 but I am better. No... thats just bad play. >Except it doesn't work that way. The bait has to be worth taking, which means it can't be a worthless player who does the baiting. Sure 1k gold bounties make these tactics less optimal but that's another topic. when you toss your pray a bait that is worth more than the pray, you did something wrong. You give them just enough for them to get hooked. Fish gets a worm. Even big fish will bite this. Sure if you wanna ensure only big fish bite, you take a bigger bait the small fish can't eat. Same in lol. People still greed for a 0/10 support. And if they don't they won't go even for the 10/0 midlaner. Especvially since this one will %%%% them up anyway. >Sure you don't always have to die, but in cases like baron fights, his job is to go in the pit and (while not exactly his goal) die there. That's the optimal way of playing him in those situations and yet the game punishes him for it. You were right until the dieing part. His job is to go into the pit. As is the junglers job (just as an FYI) his job is to win. Not do die. As I said dieing is OK for him, but same a jungler KArthus only is expected to die if he gets something out of it that was at least equally worth. If I have a Karthus repeatedly dying and saying "lol I am Karthus I am expected to die" I will report him for inting. His job is to win, he just gets the advantage of not being punished by death instantly and getting an extra second. Be smart. Play safe. Oh and FYI a Karthis that keeps dying even if he wins out cause he always takes something worth his death is not punsihed for CS, the bounty resets before it even is acquired. If he gets a bounty he gets it from killing. Death resets the gold earned bounty, so if you die repeatedly you will not aquire a minion bounty even if you get every freaking CS there is and are doing well. But this is only possible theoretically for most champs. But I am actually not certain how the game handels Karthus killing after dying. I bet some Karth mains know this.
: People trolling in champ select to make you dodge and lose LP.
Ok this is a problem that needs adressing. But not By riot, by the players. Stop falling for the dodge bait. This people get put on roles they don't wanna play. They troll on the idea of somebody dodging so they don't have to. And unfortunately it works. 1. Many of dodged games can be won. Off Meta picks are not doomed. They work surprisingly well in times. 2. Most of the "trolls" will dodge at the last second. This community pretendy like there is a troll in every other game. This is not the case, not every bad player is a troll and a troll who announced what he is about to do is even more rare. It is not troll it is a griefer in this case (just for the wording) 3. Having somebody like this in your team and you dodge, makes him go unpunished. If you dodge, there is no game. If there is no game, there is no trolling, if there is no trolling there is no reportable offense, if there is no report, there is no punishment. --> Conclusion. When you have to dodge so many games that it gets a problem. You have to stop dodging. You are allowed a game once in a while but not more for a good reason. people will dodge in the sleghtest issue if this was not the case. So don't dodge. The things can happen now. They dodge. They play and don't troll, they play and troll and you report them -> they get punished after they did it often enough and lose LP. So instead of losing LP with no chance of revenge. Make them play take the chance to win LP. And if you don't win LP, at least they lost some too and you can get them punished.
: >Just don't get killed. That's not an argument. You WILL die at some point. Everyone does. That means the bounty WILL go to the enemy, which means your cs lead DOESN'T MATTER to begin with. >You have more gold which means you have more items which means you either can kill your opponent more easily or you are harder to kill. Which is completely reasonable. >Riot's train of thought when they made this system wasn't "people who suck at CS should be forgiven". Obviously it is. That's the whole point of the comeback mechanics anyway. To forgive the worse team their mistakes. >Otherwise they wouldnt have hotfixed the spellthief strat. That strat broke the game. That's why they fixed it. >If you die with this bounty, it is your fault for dying. Yes, but unavoidable unless you basically go afk. No one wants to have a KDA player in their team that does nothing in the fear of dying. Dying is sometimes even a legit tactic in certain situations. Sometimes you can bait the enemy team to jump on you so your team can blow them up but you will die in the process as a trade off. Then there are cases like karthus that have dying as a part of their playstyle and they are punished for playing properly. >Why wouldn't you get bonus gold for killing someone who is AFK in a lane island (top or bot), getting all the CS and just getting stronger and stronger? Because why should you? you can force something else on the map while he is afk on a side lane or you can kill him and it's 5v4 after that. He has done nothing which would result in him being worth more gold than normal. He isn't killing other players, which means he isn't a threat. >People saying this is bad are looking at this in a wrong perspective and are acting like a bounty immediately counts for a kill to the enemy. It doesn't. Just don't f* up. No, people who are defending this mechanic are the ones with the wrong perspective. They are casuals with no interest in skill expression or competitive aspects. And again, dying is expected. In a normal game (not the mode), you will die at least once, typically more. Dying is unavoidable if you are playing the game properly.
U focus to much in this >Yes, but unavoidable unless you basically go afk. No one wants to have a KDA player in their team that does nothing in the fear of dying. Dying is sometimes even a legit tactic in certain situations. Sometimes you can bait the enemy team to jump on you so your team can blow them up but you will die in the process as a trade off. Then there are cases like karthus that have dying as a part of their playstyle and they are punished for playing properly. Don't mistake a KDA player for safe player. As ADC my literally is not to die. When I die my DMG ends. If a spell caster dies after his rotation the did his/her dmg. CD make the strain of DMG end, as an ADC only death will make me stop hurting. So I cannot die. Period. Am I a KDA player for this? No, I am a smart player. As an ADC there is no reason for me to seek out a trade that goes even. All it does is prevent me from doing DMG, prevent me from CSing prevent me from leveling. This is a strategy other lanes need to employ a little more, even though it feels unnatural. As a Assassin you want to go in and get the one kill. It is always worth. You get kill gold and stop your opponent from making gold. But what you do is giving somebody else gold aswell. For somebody who can explode others no matter what, thats not that bad, for squishies it makes the game harder. So not dying is good. Period. It is not KDA playing. KDA playing is when you only part take in activities that will grant you a kill. This seems similar, it is not. A KDA player will only deal dmg to get a kill. They will literally wait for execute dmg and harm their team. They will also not try to do dmg without a kill in sight. Not dying does not mean dealing no dmg but for a KDA play it does mean it. When they don't wanna die, they will just leave. They will only go for kills. Safe players will go for dmg and not doing. Do you get the difference? So trying to not go 18/10 will help you. 18/10 sounds great in theory, but it also means somebody got 10 kills while I went 10/2, which means I have away basically no gold up to this point (depending on when I died) So play with the idea of not dying some more. And yes dying can be part of a tactical play, but than it should be played more in the idea of" I have no bounty on me, I am a minion, I can bait" and not "Watch the 1000g carry bait and explode". You took Karthus as example. He works not on the idea of dying. He works in the idea of being unpunishbale for being squishy. A good karthus will not die! He can, be he won't. The thing that makes him strong is that he will keep doing dmg and that he is allowed to die, forced. So don't die works for Karthus as well, it just is not a necessity.
Kaimeraz (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xnWgJG5W,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:52:35.757+0000) > > Don't come with apples and oranges as soon as somebody turns your analogy around against your narrative or rather OPs narrative. > Yea..., that's where I started which makes the analogy apples and oranges.. Jezz mayn, get glasses or take the time to actually read what you are replying to, it's getting boring repeating stuff.
Sorry I am so used to have to explain simple stuff to total baffoons that I became one myself. As soon as I read your starting line I just assumed it was against my argument point out an obvious lack of comparability. Also since you answered to my post instead of the one you were arguing against with me I just assumed it was a weak counter argument. So we agree there is no reason to flame in this game. Thats nice.
: http://prntscr.com/mk1i5j this was my latest game i was the carry i was the flamer and i got flamed i was the toxic and i faced toxic i was the one who won that game and i am the one who is wining my games no one win it for me ... do i need to be sad that i did not get 4 honors ... naaa honor will not win you games ... and the one that i flamed honord me . 2 of them . ohhh and i was honor lvl 5 with flaming ... tell me how that work for you ... and abut you telling wining a game for someone who is flaming ... you are not wining a game for someone .. you are wining for your self your logic telling me your are in silver or low gold ... i am a selfish man ... if i like to win .. i win .. if i don't i don't ... and i don't cry that in chat .. i do it my way . and abut my actions .. i do that for more than 3 years since i learned it ... and for all the years i played this game i never ever got 1 ban .. well afk ban some boarders ban " i don't care abut that " .. that all .. nothing more . fun you say .. i play this game to have fun seeing cry babys abut ganks and shit like that... maaaaaaaaan .. i talk too much for nothing .. tho i can talk since to you ... but i don't like to and if i don't like to i won't ... i am out ... seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa or never
These two do not fit together > i was the flamer and i got flamed i was the toxic and i faced toxic i was the one who won that game and i am the one who is wining my games no one win it for me ... >... you are not wining a game for someone .. you are wining for your self Decide are you winning it for you, are you the one winning it yourself? Or are the others, if you are winning why even bother and flame them. That logic is beyonde me. Lock at my history. All the games I was the one motivating. I was the one carring more often than note. So works that way aswell. But I guarantee you, when you need a carry, there won't be any cause you already demotivated them and motivation is part of winning. Thats why positive attitude wins games. Ever seen a pro play tilting and winning. i think not. And before you get to it aggression and dedication are not the same as rage. Flame is rage, rage makes you lose control thats what it was build for. It shuts down your brain and you go primal but stronger (gnar ult) but you become useless for thinking. So in a game where half is mechanics and the other half is strats, especially when playing from behinde, rage will los games. But have fun raging. If you can life with it I won't bother to convince you anymore. YOu do you, not my job to make you believe. My job is to not get you tilted in my game, and i havent seen you. So nvm cya
Kaimeraz (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xnWgJG5W,comment-id=000a000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T10:39:19.410+0000) > > you have no idea what you are talking about. A amateur team will never kick somebody out. A pro team will also not kick you out, they expect you to play at a vertain level and if you don't perform in that level they will not renew your contract thats it. And they will do everything in their power to help you. If you start to scream at players for their mistakes, it is very likely they will kick you out due to being a bad sport and bad psychological influence. And considering that they put you in a team with equally good/bad players and you still feel like playing way better and harass your team. They won't even need long to never have you play for them. > So what part of apples and oranges is it you don't understand? An amature team coach will bench you if you start dragging your team down, a pro team coach most certainly will not to mention you are at a high risk of not being drafted for the following games. Both of the above in that simplistic description have two things this game does not in your day to day solo-que, a coach and a strategy they try to execute combined. I am also not the one comparing anyone to highly / overly paid football stars, the analago of the OP was between this game and football which sucks as I said, it doesn't matter if you take an amature or pro team.
Don't come with apples and oranges as soon as somebody turns your analogy around against your narrative or rather OPs narrative. The comparison already lacks considering, that league is called a team sport without being one. You don't play in teams you play in randomly put together groups that disband after the game anyway. So a coach will not bench you after a bad performance, cause there won't be a next game for that "team" so the analogy is lacking. The point is, in no way is it OK to flame your fellow player, especially since I never voted for you to be my king and coach. You are just part of that random group that is put together by skill and nothing else so all are at the same level and if somebody has abad game thats just how it is. it shows a certain antisocial if not sociapathic trait when you believe to be better and also in the right to teach others how to behave while playing on the same level as you. Don't get me wrong. You may tell people when they %%%%ed up and tell them how they can improve, but when they don't want that advice shut the f*** up and play instead of annyoing your team and the enemy team with "report X for Y" or "uninstall" your team does not care and the enemy will just rub their hands in delight seeing that they win yet another game cause the psychologic pressure was to much for the enemies flamer and he started to do their work for them by destroying the already frail team spirit and thus dragging everybody down. -> Show me one pro game where they start flaming each other. ONE LCS/LEC game where we can see them going at each others throats. They know it is bad, they know it does not belong in game. They talk it out later and they don't shame each other, they will tell their mates if they played bad but never will they tell the public that one of their mates is bad and should quit playing. That is hostile, unsportmanlike and just asocial.
: Missread that one MB But again where does he say that people are telling him to kill his family.
Read it again... crossed it out just for you in my last post... still the same message
: this is the world you are living in .. well if you don't like it then i don't know what to tell you .. the thing is .. if you do good things people might " might " see it .. but if you do wrong ... people will " will " see it ... there is no dream land in this world and lat me tell you something you can't run forever from the things you do in your life... you have to face them it's the logic of life ... at last i will tell you this ... by saying you don't need flamers or toxic players in the game you are unbalancing the natural way of life ..... you think if you removed all the " toxic " players as what you all call them the game will be fun .... no the game will never be fun ... look at the game now ... you fear saying any ward in chat ... cuz if you say anything you might get ban for it ... " for me i don't and i know my way in flaming with out even got ban in game for once ... and i am not telling cuz they can fix it easy" you know what .. this is sooooooooooooooooooo %%%%ing long i think i am done for now ...
I don't even get what you are talking about > you can't run forever from the things you do in your life... you have to face them it's the logic of life ... You will have to face the consequences of what you do. if your life was only bad deeds, you will get repayed only bad things. If you treat every body around you like shit, nobody will come to your aid. If you flame me in game, I will not win this game for you, even though I have the power. I will not heal you I will not play with you I will play my game. You showed me you don't want me to play with you, so why should I force myself on you. I can take an occasional loss, and be sure I will report you and when the game goes in our favour, you can be all nice and shit, I will still report you. Just because I went 20/5 and carried your flaming 3/10 play by accident and you now prais me wont forget how you treated me and my teammates. Don't think your actions go unnoticed. They are noticed and they will be your demise at some point. So many people said, they know they way around and at some point so many of them either quit cause it was no fun anymore cause they forgot that it is a fun activity and flamed all they could or they eventually flipped to hard and were banned. it happens to them all.
: Big difference in wanting someone to kill themselves and OP. Now I can ask you whether you actaully read the OP because he said nothing about people saying things like that all he said people do to him is : What happens then is items/flashes/cd's are pinged repeatedly. A tool which should be used to encourage victory is instead used by the player base to highlight failed plays and to belittle or embarrass teammates.
How can you even ... No where did I write that anything about suicide. NO WHERE I mentioned one thing that was not 1to1 what OP wrote. So... just for you >And thats it. You would not go on for the next 20 minutes to scream at him and point out how he kicked the ball out of bounce >once. You would also not claim he lost you the game after shoting 3 goals where you just made two crippling goals against your own >team while fouling your most important forwardplayer and never passing the ball to him. > >So you would ask him wtf, plz don't do that again and thats it, you would resume playing after a 10 sec talk. ~~You would also not >wish his family to die~~ you would not ask him to quit playing. You would not tell him he is a worthless piece of excrement. You >would not scream at him until he had to put in ear-plugs. You would not show him the finger until he had to play blindfolded again. > >The problem is not some people pointing out mistakes, it is the way they do it and it is the constant nagging. When you find time to >write me an essay about how bad I play and about my mistakes than you maybe should become a coach and quit playing yourself >after all you stoped playing when you started writing. > >I challenge everybody who thinks their flaming is just "cirticism" to just '/mute all' for a week and take the ENTER key out so they >can't chat even if they wanted to. And I bet, that next to all will start winning more. >You spending your time to make somebody feel bad about themselfs for being not as good, is not achieving anything. You know >what achieves stuff. Telling them it was a mistake and how to correct it. Telling them to stay with you and you doing some work to >play with that player. That is how you win games. When my support decides to feed I have three options. Let him be, flame him and >lose farm and plays cause of chatting, or guarding him and trying to get him to stay at my side to 1 have my support with me 2. guide >his positioning to a better version and 3. give him assist gold so he gets back into the game. > >I know which option I will choose with a genuine bad player. Because they want to win, they just don't know how.
: Yes, you are right I have never played Competetive football, however in what way does my analogy suck, if I keep doing dumb shit then I will get noticed and people will tell me to stop and eventually I will get kicked off the team if I do not improve this is true in all competitive sports. You can't kick anyone in League and once you load into the game you are trapped with 4 people who could be complete degenerates or actually normal people. If I ping once and you don't fall back in the lane then I will proceed to spam your ass because you seem to not only have shit map awareness but also ping awareness which I can't believe is possible, but it happens when you start spamming in caps, losing farm while typing, and the dumbass dies anyway, this is by far one of the most tilting things. If you ult an entire team under their tower as Malphite and there is no one nearby to follow up expect to get your ult pinged or even your death timer, you have to realize people are lazy and aren't going to type out in chat "Well Malphite, maybe next time don't ult under their tower while our team isn't nearby, this leads to us losing a member which can then cause us to lose the next fight thus losing the game" I don't even think the max characters in league can even fit that message. When I %%%% up a flash then ofc the team will spam ping me and I will laugh about it but also I will learn from this and next time I will know that you can't flash over a certain wall. When my jungler comes for gank and pings me that he is coming and I ping that I have no mana and he can see that the enemy can kill me and get away from the gank, the jungler then proceeds to spam ping that he is coming, I would deem this as toxic spamming, then if we die to the enemy because I am low hp and mana, he will spam timer, this is also toxic. But spamming ping for when something that could have been done better is not toxic. If there is something that was inevitable then the spam ping is toxic.
>Yes, you are right I have never played Competetive football, however in what way does my analogy suck, if I keep doing dumb shit then I will get noticed and people will tell me to stop and eventually I will get kicked off the team if I do not improve this is true in all competitive sports. You can't kick anyone in League and once you load into the game you are trapped with 4 people who could be complete degenerates or actually normal people. you have no idea what you are talking about. A amateur team will never kick somebody out. A pro team will also not kick you out, they expect you to play at a vertain level and if you don't perform in that level they will not renew your contract thats it. And they will do everything in their power to help you. If you start to scream at players for their mistakes, it is very likely they will kick you out due to being a bad sport and bad psychological influence. And considering that they put you in a team with equally good/bad players and you still feel like playing way better and harass your team. They won't even need long to never have you play for them. Don't pretend we are all payed for our game. Not even diamond players are. Comparing them to football high diamonds are the football players who still pay their teams a membership fee. It is only some where around challenger where you maybe can start to only work half time cause you are now playing in the lowest available league that can afford to pay its players and if you manage to get in such a team you are no longer considered to be a bad player or a player that needs scolding. You are a player that needs support and training if you make a mistake and if you team can not provide that, they will trade you or no longer renew your contract so you are free to go back to amateur level or find a new team that can provide you with the support you need to get better.
: "What happens then is items/flashes/cd's are pinged repeatedly. A tool which should be used to encourage victory is instead used by the player base to highlight failed plays and to belittle or embarrass teammates." ^OP^ Weird I understood it as his team is flaming for him using things like Zhonya at a shit time or flashing for no reason, if a 10-year-old was playing football and they kicked it out of boundaries then you would tell them to not do that because it will lose the game if you flash while a projectile is coming after you or if you (quite a narrow example) Zhonya before ulting as fiddle then you are doing something to lose the game, and it might not be on purpose or you just might not know any better so people will tell you how to improve, when I play casually with friends I will often spam ping their failed flashes etcetera and we will laugh about it over comms so most people don't even mean harm with spam pinging and often spam pinging is not enough, I will ping that someone is missing like 20 times and the mid laner still won't move then I type in all caps in chat and they still don't move and die to the roam just an example.
>Weird I understood it as his team is flaming for him using things like Zhonya at a shit time or flashing for no reason, if a 10-year-old was playing football and they kicked it out of boundaries then you would tell them to not do that And thats it. You would not go on for the next 20 minutes to scream at him and point out how he kicked the ball out of bounce once. You would also not claim he lost you the game after shoting 3 goals where you just made two crippling goals against your own team while fouling your most important forwardplayer and never passing the ball to him. So you would ask him wtf, plz don't do that again and thats it, you would resume playing after a 10 sec talk. You would also not wish his family to die you would not ask him to quit playing. You would not tell him he is a worthless piece of excrement. You would not scream at him until he had to put in ear-plugs. You would not show him the finger until he had to play blindfolded again. The problem is not some people pointing out mistakes, it is the way they do it and it is the constant nagging. When you find time to write me an essay about how bad I play and about my mistakes than you maybe should become a coach and quit playing yourself after all you stoped playing when you started writing. I challenge everybody who thinks their flaming is just "cirticism" to just '/mute all' for a week and take the ENTER key out so they can't chat even if they wanted to. And I bet, that next to all will start winning more. You spending your time to make somebody feel bad about themselfs for being not as good, is not achieving anything. You know what achieves stuff. Telling them it was a mistake and how to correct it. Telling them to stay with you and you doing some work to play with that player. That is how you win games. When my support decides to feed I have three options. Let him be, flame him and lose farm and plays cause of chatting, or guarding him and trying to get him to stay at my side to 1 have my support with me 2. guide his positioning to a better version and 3. give him assist gold so he gets back into the game. I know which option I will choose with a genuine bad player. Because they want to win, they just don't know how.
lionne80 (EUW)
: just stop to ranked play aram you see things gonna be better
So you have never been flamed in aram? Hm we must play on different EUW servers than. It is rarer in aram but still often enough and it is all the more annoying since it is freaking ARAM and more often than not the win is decided on a random champ composition and some are just shut out. And people feel the need to flame because you don't know what to do with a champ you never played before.
: man go to fortnight ... same shit flame all the time ... go to dota and new way of flaming .. go to anyonline game you will get flamed and called anything ... as long as there is no solo game play in a game you will get flamed ... get use to it .. or just go play offline games ... shsh edited : i play black desert online when i like to play some rpg online solo game play ... not cuz of flaming ... you will get flamed by your mam if you sit and play video games ... do you quit your mam ... do it i don't care
>man go to fortnight ... same shit flame all the time ... go to dota and new way of flaming .. go to anyonline game you will get flamed and called anything ... as long as there is no solo game play in a game you will get flamed ... get use to it .. or just go play offline games ... shsh so the standard should be to allow flaming and suck it up? Thats kinda low. The standard should be to suck it up as a last line of defence every once in a while not more often than not because people feel it is their right to belittle, harass, offend and insult people.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Of course. Tell the guy carrying teamfights he doesn't know how to 'close a game'' instead of telling his feeder teammates to stop feeding. If his teammates were at the same level as him, this wouldn't be much of a problem. Besides what do you expect him to do? Split push his way to victory while his teammates create no map pressure anywhere? No, you cannot solo close out a game when all your teammates do is chase a lone opponent through the jungle only to die in another group fight.
Aint it kinda harsh to expect low elo players to play in the same level as a smurf... When smurfs epect anything from their team something is wrong. You smurf because you are so much better... not to learn some new cool plays only available in low elo. So carry yourself up and stop pretending the game held you down. How can a smurf have the balls to cry about his team... just how.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: A few hypercarries and skirmishers/bullies may take a hit. MF, Tristana, Vayne, lucian(surprise surprise) and Sivir may take a hit during the season.
I am always waiting for a Jinx nerf. I main her and every game I wonder how my dmg is fair by any means. Especially against some squishies the likes of Sona, Soraka, Lux... 2-3 hits... And they can't even do anything about it. Have you guys tried starting with BT recently on Jinx I feel so strong with it. I am reminded of Season 6? where BT was standard start. With SR no longer viable as start, it seems like Lifesteal is viable again especially after the sustain nerfs in 8.11. IE is nice, but the DMG is not to amazing in a lanes where the support still has a lot to give until level 11. I also feel like I have agency again. When my support is good, we stomp, when he is ok we win, when he is bad, I can try to life and when he is utter shi... I still can try to live but will lose at least the mid game. But on the other hand a very good sup on the other team still makes my job horror and still can kill me, but I can at least try to deal more dmg than just the killing blow after my support did 90% for me. Now it is some where between 30/70 and 70/30 so basically a fair share in lane i feel.
: Thank you! Crit feels so much better this patch
What I like the most is, the last half year I learned to survive and now I rarely die if I don't toss the game and go for flashy plays. I end games against crazy kill lanes with under 5 death. Every time I die I know I could have lived if I played my cards right. I rarely encounter the situation where my death was inevitable. Not meaning I am unkillable but I learned to avoid bad spots. I can protect my self. When my team protects me I can opt for dmg. I can finally play with my team even when the team is kinda bad. I can still make the best of it by going low on dmg but high on selfpeel. And it no longer seems to be viable to play 5 burst chars just to burst everything that is not a tank to deal with it later. I am very happy with the patch. I just hope I am not to strong now so that we get nerfed again. Do you guys feel to strong from time to time?
: > Pretty sure OP point was, keep it to yourself from time to time. In a way, but more importantly it's about thinking a little bit before you start blaming and accusing others.
Don't know about that though. According to the rational choice theory, people make decisions on the information they have. These decisions are in general/always rational, but depending on the grade of information you can expect a different outcome. So people flame others for dying, but lack the information that they just got tower dive by 4 people under their turret with somebody TPing behind them so that "just farm under your turret" or "stay back play safe" was actually not an option and death was inevitable. But assuming they just fought it out again leads to the assumption, the player is to blame. So according to my favorit theory in social science, people think, problem is they just think it is right when it is wrong.
: Don't be toxic (From someone who got perma banned)
I like this post. Sorry you understood this just after you lost all. But you know as well as I, they gave you plenty of warnings. So now all you have left is regret. Hope you find happiness in a new account and plenty of rare skins, as long as you stay calm you will win.
: If your point is that the terms "trolling/griefing/inting" are inflationary used to describe behaviour that is just a difference in opinion or bad decision making, then you do have a point. However, when one pings mid missing 10 times and on his way botlane you still see your botlane hugging the enemy tower, a slight hue of red mist starts to cloud the mind. Especially so when next thing you hear is "Enemy Doublekill!" and next thing you read is "why didnt you follow? why didnt you say anything", whereas those are the more measured responses. Usually its more along the lines of "/all report mid" or creative use of language to describe what should happen to you in real life or the classic "gg its over". Or when you have someone who didn't have the greatest time in botlane, not the best score or gameimpact to show and then throws a hissy fit when the 4/0 toplaner takes the red buff instead of this ADC, which results in a beautiful firework of placed wards, flashes and used ultimates, with no enemies around whatsoever. I think examples like this deserve more consideration. Dont you agree?
You know OP just made a point about not calling everything trolling/inting, and explained very good reasons for contrary decisions in a team. I am pretty sure he was not intending to have one of the first comments be: But if he is actually trolling he is trolling. We all had games where we did not really trust in calls. We also all have made bad calls. You wouldn't believe how many people ping "on my way" and never show up while you just took half your health in dmg cause you tried to set up the flank. We all had games where your mid lane pinged SS every other minute just for their mid sitting under there turret. I had a game where I would literally make my team engage and than run away because I overestimated our dmg or didn't consider that people can actuall show up out of the fog :D Pretty sure OP point was, keep it to yourself from time to time. It is not just inflationary use of terms, it also is the need to comment every single play. It is the need to always watch the lanes of others more than your own... I often wonder how people actually manage that. It is about the smugg and hostile attitude towards your team and demanding them to make no mistake, something they cannot fulfil. And it is also about being positive. Just the other game I had a Leona, I got outpoked within the first 4 waves cause she hid behind me. I politely asked her to stand in front of me to at least threaten them with an engage. She answered, she still was learning leo. So I explained her, that she should stand up front and threaten to E in. Than she used E always next to them. It helped me, but she got poked down fast. So I explained her, to not actually use her E until she really wants to go in and than go in like there is no tomorrow. So thats what she did. She walked the line of skirmish and always tried to look for an engage. From there on I could farm. She said thank you and learned a ton in this game. When she used her E at some point ( I went for a delayed build at that point) she went in like a hero. And both enemies had to use all and went to about 1% hp I think. Super unfortunate but it was good. I said it was alright it was a nice idea, but that I lacked the dmg but all in all that this is the way to play leona. And it was fine. I had a good game. I did nothing, but I didn't feed cause I was trying to help. Now Imagine what most players will do, even I from time to time "GTFO TRY NEW CHAMPS IN NORMAL IDIOT" is something I read all to often. And people than asking for a report cause of troll. Yes it was inconsiderate from her to go ranked without knowing half of what she has to do on Leo. But would pointing that out have helped me? No, What helped me was trying to stay positive and reward positive plays by showing thumbs up and commenting on what I#d like her to do more and what lese and saying thank you and sorry when I messed up a canon minion for her relic. Like this I survived lane with just a minor gold deficit. And in the end I had the luck of a strong mid lane and could deal some dmg as well but never got enabled due to lack of money. But it was fine. This game could have gone down the drains very quickly so i was glad we won. I think thats what OP means. Keep your meanies to yourself. You will know a real troll. Just today I had a blitz running it down on bot. Literally running it down. Not just dying a lot. No 4 Dorans rings and boots and trying to get executed by the enemy tower but the enemy would never allow him to. Half my team couldn't believe it, they had never seen such behaviour... I was kinda baffled how everybody throws inting and tolling around but when they meet a real inter, they don't even know whats happening. So keep this in mind. And for those asking. I went to pee after that game and within these minutes I already received ma Instand Feedback report. So the system is working, it just is not for all those claimed inters who are just playing bad but not inting at all.
Haze97 (EUW)
: The real bait here is that people without a job ask people with jobs to waste 20+ mins on a match with a potential troll. Especially when that said person is bronze 1. Go try to find him on Op.gg. This guy's kda fluctuates between getting 14/0 and 0/14, and is still iron 3 with a 40% winrate.
I have seen enough people swing between such numbers to know that this is perfectly normal for low tier people. But hey keep thinking you are better than others and demand stuff. YOu will lose your account and I am free of your barely adult attitude.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: in my eyes looks like a nerf even if 2 items are cheaper.... , there was more synergy with old stormrazor than with infinity is now... I am feel horrible to play now adc , wonderful experience... , feel so tired of so many changes... and people insult then about autofill system and more... , i am moving to another game or learn a different lane ,is really make me feel 0 excited about old items now after i played so much time with new items...
Stormrazer did literally not synergize with anything a crit ADC build. You had to sell this item after you reached 100 crit because it was useless. (appart from stats) Yes new stormrazer is not as cool anymore. So stop buing it as a first item. It now is a situational item. You go for it when you need some kiting advantage. Eg against an Ashe, or when the enemy has bruisers going into your face so you can attack while running.
: https://imgur.com/a/FPz19
It even says filter in its title. So pretty sure thats that bad word filter for chat. Not the punish system
: Zyra Brand Duo Botlane
When ever I fight such a mage lane. My goal is to not die. Thats it. No farming no poking nothing, just don't get them fed. Try to get what you can get from a safe distance. You will fall behind anyway when they know how to play. Sure there are these lanes that are just bad and die die and die. But some know their deal and will not give you a chance. So just stay alive untill you have MR and sustain to deal with them. THan you try to farm and reach lategame. Afterall a fed carry will %%%% them with 2-3 AAs in the end. And the longer the game takes the easier it gets to dodge Zyras dmg and only brands ult is really undodgable so you try to survive their initiate and than %%%% them up due to lack of Sustained DMG. Thats how I play it. From time to time I still lose. but most of the time at level 6 you start to gain some ground, can farm and with just 2 items you know hurt them alot.
: I've had two chat bans cause I let people wind me up and ended up typing an essay at them, although iirc I never flamed. Chances are trolling wont get you punished, but using the chat will. Chat logs are easy for riot to automate bans for, players who go afk at tower are apparently not.
Nah if they actually go AFK it is easy aswell. There is an average action per minute score, somebody who stands around does no action. Also riot some where said, they check for differnt things like minion score, mana spend, dmg and sustain etc. So it is possible. Problem is there are so many flamers and it is easy to find examples of them getting perma banned, but there are rarely any feeders not understanding their band and crying. Hard inting is something you do by choice, while flaming is something people do due to not knowing anybetter how to behave properly. So they cry in the boards while feeders, either just feed one game every once in a while when they get wound up, which is OK in Riots and my opinions since everybody has a bad game once in a while, or they just feed and get a new account and feed on that. They know why they get banned. So they don't care.
Haze97 (EUW)
: RIot has the best moderation system in the world.
When the bait works The whole intend of this person is to make somebody dodge. And you fall for it. If you wanna %%%% up the day of somebody you don't give a warning you just troll them. And many already told you, just end Q for a while when somebody dodged. I do it very frequently when I don't like the atmosphere in a dodged Q. I never dodge though. Also, how do you expect Riot to ban people like him when you dodge it? Him just claiming to troll will probably trigger a flag somewhere, but it still is no base to usher a ban or chat restrict. Something like this needs a little more meat top it. Like him having bad stats or actually being hostile towards somebody. So next time. Just play, see what happens. I just lost a game against an Irelia, before the buffs spawned the enemy asked to report her cause she announced to troll... Turns out she was the sole reason the enemy won! So often nothing will follow those claims and second if the player decides toi troll, congrats you now can report him, report triggers an investigation. Very rarely trolls can keep their feet clam and don't burst out into flames or just make the trolling all to obvious. So after the game you now have some juicy proof of the person trolling can report him and he gets banned. How else do you expect riot to deal with somebody who actually did nothing?
: Suspended 14DAYS
I just went trough game one and I found all this I differentiat between what the _***~~Automated System~~***_ is likely to get triggered by and _**~~what I personally find unnecessary and hostile~~**_ and would consider reporting you for. I Will explain after every quote why I choose this. ViiZion Hyper: _**~~i play bad cuz its bronze~~**_ So you smurfing and disrespecting people on this level of skill is very impolite to say the least. How do you feel when A challenger would come to your level and tell you, he will play bad cause it is beneath him to try on this level? Also it just sounds like and excuse for you feeding your ass of. ViiZion Hyper: dude ? _**~~this is bronze~~**_ ViiZion Hyper: _**~~why should i even try~~**_ this Keep rubbing it in how much better you are, very disrespectful ViiZion Hyper: stop cry ? or _***~~il troll***~~_ Threatening trolling. I believe the system actually can identify this kind of intend. Easy enough to scan for "I'll troll" and misspelled versions of it ViiZion Hyper: _**~~yi reported~~**_ I never understood why it is necessary to tell people. I get mute, so they don't expect communication. But telling them you are going to report them after game seems to serve only the purpose of a fascistic idea 'make them do what I want by force' "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition [...]" ViiZion Hyper: nocturn can you shut up seriously _***~~%%%%%%ed scrub~~***_ Scrub alone prolly is already problematic, but with the automaticely filtered adjective it sure will trigger something ViiZion Hyper:_**~~ i play like my team always does when i'm fed~~**_ ViiZion Hyper:_**~~ i'm doing like my team always does do me~~**_ Why is it this teams fault others didn't play the way you wished them to play? Why punish them? Should I chemically castrate you because other people rape? I think not ViiZion Hyper: _**~~il keep going~~**_ ViiZion Hyper: _**~~if you don't stop talking~~**_ I know some people will say I miss use fascism, but this actually is what fascism boils down to. Make people do what by force ViiZion Hyper: _**~~an inter~~**_ look history before u call me inter ViiZion Hyper:_***~~ i just trolling~~***_ cuz its nice Calling people inter is always bad, even when they started it. You are not allowed the same means of your opponent, no you both get punished by the same means. So it is better to stay away from flamewars all together And i am pretty sure, the system can identify intend to troll. These sentences and their variations have been uttered so often now, the system will know them aswell. ViiZion Hyper: _**~~always when i'm feed my team trolls~~**_ ViiZion Hyper: _**~~now il do the same~~**_ In this context you announced trolling In a way the system prolly will not get it, but the humans get it and intend to troll is always bad! It boils down to the whole fascism thing. So.. I actually don't get why you would even ask. This is one of the more obvious cases. Feel free to ask me if you need some more clarification.
: well we not all build to be constructive manner, I mean you gotta deal with those kind of humans too you can't kinda conclude all humans are the same, and speak of the same way as you do. I mena I type the way I speak and i have no intention to change that since it's apart of who I am. If you refer to my joke "you so dumb tbh.. " well that just a silly word if anyone get offended by that and i also put a smile into it. Anyway it's no big news that many players here are often confused about new patch so how about after 9 years you just make it clear in your patch note whats live and what's not :) Anyway looking forward for this new features when it comes out.
>well we not all build to be constructive manner, I mean you gotta deal with those kind of humans too you can't kinda conclude all humans are the same, and speak of the same way as you do. are you saying some people can't help it but have to be a**holes? Dude, your standards are low... It is not about your language it is about attacking them. You don't have to write in pretty oxford english, even cockney english knows stuff like "please" [EDIT] I reread your postings here. And I admit, you are not as hostile as I first thought So what I wrote above does not really apply. Considering the general tone of the boards, especially when it comes to critique aimed at riot is rather unfriendly so it is only natural they fall in a defensive stance and assume something that was nutral actually was hostile since everything else always is hostile anyway. So your rather incoherent posts just come across as very aggressive even it it was not meant to be this way. Maybe you should just try to sound a little less annoyed. And yes it is kinda our fault when we interpret your post this way, but it helps when you just rule out this interpretation by throwing a nice word in every once in a while. It helps in life. People are more ready to help or listen when they feel you are nice. Have a nice day :-)
: > [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dj6wFWAX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-05T19:23:32.280+0000) > > this diary is useless with all the stats of all memebers of every game. How do you intend to find out if the enemy has less inters when you don't look at their stats? What? Have you even read the post? I made a list with bad scores from the enemy and I found one particular bad score.
Thats called missrepresentation of data. show us your data. So we don't have to believe you. also. Show us your data when you are not on a losing streak and we will look at all the feeders in the enemy team. It is very likely when you lost somebody fed and very likely when you win, the enemy fed. Do you understand where I am aiming at? Give me the complet data set for 100 games and we can talk.
: Soooo that's why people found the list in question in the game files, and that's also why you can replace characters with Cyrillic alphabet and get away with it and that's also why the person in the main post did not get banned, and that's also why when I made a new account and said the n-word in every 5th game and I got absolutely no punishment. I might get my friends to research this further because on the new account I can't be sure everyone reported me.
Ok first. give me sources plz I am especially interessted in proof for your N-word claims. If this is true something might be broken the rest I have an explanation First. The Word list you claim people have found in the game files. Ask yourself this. why should the files be on your local machine, when the system that uses it is on the riots server? There simply is no reason. If such a fail exists what I doubt, it does not make a difference in how this list is used and how it gets created, As i said it might still be databased centered. This means that it works after comparing from a list that is created by the system itself in contrast to comparing what is reported most recently and most often.I explained this earlier and as I said Riot does not say how they actually do it. Second, if this list exists, I am pretty sure it is just the Wordfilter list for the bad wordfilter you can activate in your game options. In this case it would also make sense to have it on your local machine. To you point of cyrilic, or just simple replacement of signifiers, this includes similar looking signs or swaps in words, or just bad orthography, this actualy is a problem but not as big as you think, and it would also not work with the system you claimed. Thats why Riot introduced the selflearning AI in the first place. Humans a very very good at finding their way around and very very creative when it comes to language. The problem is, a PC cannot ( or a least not if properly programmed which can get very expensive) identify and disriminate between written characters. For the PC fritting o ir Ö makes a difference of a few numbers, it does not look the same. (Binary) It is or isn't so replacing a sign makes a bad word not be a bad word anymore. For a human it looks similar to something he has seen. So replacing it makes him think of it. In a slur word against gay people we would regocnize this especially since the character ö does not have any use in the english language thus we assume it is a weird looking o and now you have a slur word instead of a senseless utterance. The system as I described it though can learn this. It does it by human input. When enough games are reported with the word written in this manner, the system learn that we consider this word bad. So it will take actions against this word. Trouble is, this can take a while and it is necessary for us to report it. Problem is, there are millions of work arounds, learning them all can take a while. And if not enough instances of the same variant appear close to each other the system will not learn and just assume a false report. You can be certain though, if enough people start using the same variant of the same slur word, it will trigger a flag at some point. PC are very good at doing something we think we are good at but are actually very bad PCs find patterns. They can compare so much data and will find paterns. Humans creat patterns. we don't find them we assume them. Something like bad sleep during full moon. There is no evidence for this, but enough people found a pattern there, they saw the moon and though must be the moon while ignoring the nights they selpt bad without full moon. A PC will tell you there is no pattern, but actually one that shows that you sleep bad when it is to bright and that humans will sleep bad when they are biased due to full moon and expect a bad sleep :D So yeah the system will find the pattern and at some point you will hit one For your N-word story. Pics or it didn't happen. I actually have no answer for this thus I assume you are lying. If not there is a problem that needs to be adressed. But as i said, so far i have no reason to believe this happened.
: Misha's trolling and inting journal.
this diary is useless with all the stats of all memebers of every game. How do you intend to find out if the enemy has less inters when you don't look at their stats?
: Riot has a list of ''naughty words'' like the n-word f-word etc. There is a bot and this bot will scan the things you send in the game and gives a score for how offensive each word is, so, for instance, n-word will have a lot of points and f-word will have fewer points makes sense, then when you reach a certain amount of points it bans you for the number of points you reached. Let's analyze the examples you gave, "I wish your mom aborted you" - The bot has no idea what this means and can't see the hidden meaning, therefore this is fine. "I hope you are abused sexually by your uncle when you were a kid" - The bot only sees sexually as a mildly bad word, again it cannot recognise the meaning of the message. "It's best if someone injects cancer in your brain" - I can imagine Cancer is probably kinda high in points but the rest seems fine to the bot. "I would cum if you slowly died" - Died has some points and I am not too sure about cum but it probably also carries a small number of points "You are a female and so you don't deserve to breathe leave some air for the men" Bot probably didn't even notice this. Not much you can do, their support is some of the worst in gaming.
This is not correct and a gross missrepresentation of the system First it is not a bot. It is a selflearning algorhythm. Second, it is not based on a point system, or at least we have no reason to believe this, and second there is no list of words. First of all the system always scans the chat as far as we know. A report will force an investigation and very likely also triggers the system to scan for similar occasions of words compared to other reports. Like this the system can learn new word. We have no proof of that either, but generally this is a very basic system to achieve self sufficent system or self learning systems. So a report will flag a chat as problematic. The system already knows a few problematic phrases. Questionable is if it creates a database with these phrases and words or if it always compares and. Basically if 100 flagged chats have one thing in common it is very likely this thing. if now for some reason the thing does not show up anymore but in one game there is no comparision so it will ge through. If it is creating a database this world will be automatically be flagged ad problematic though. Nobody but the programmers know how they do it. what is known that there is an independent database with 0 tolerance utterances. These lead to a ban immediatly. I am not certain if this is reviewed by a supporter still but in the beginning it was, just to check if there was not something that allowed for the utterance in this context. EG cancer is not a 0 tolerance word since it can be used in many non offensive ways. While the N word is even in non offensive circumstances considered to be offensive in itself. Thats why it works as a 0 tollerance word. Next. the Point system. There is no point system. If the system recognizes an utterance to be offensive your chat gets flagged thats it. It is a binary choice. ( appart from the aforementioned 0 tolerance words) If a specific ratio of your games get flagged by the system it will start he escalation of bans. starting from chat restricts and ending in a perma ban. There is not much known about the ratio riot keeps it secret for good reasons but we can assume that it is not a fixed number. There is no magic (you can be hostile in this many games and get out of jail free) It is very likely that several flagged games in a short time will be considered different to being hostile every once in a while with a comparable quota on 100 games. So don't assume that being a little hostile is always OK since it stays under some arbitrary point. This is not the case. The system has some-> a lot of slack. You can have a few negative games and nothing will happen, as long as you don't make it a regular occasion.
: The point is to have it reviewed by another CS agent - for whatever it's worth
Yep. Sounds like the pre-written standard response. Bumping that ticket a few times does not hurt. Just when they start to end with "we conssider this matter closed" is when nothing interesting whil happen.
Cxvpher (EUW)
: I had to change my Summoner Name after 5 years of using it.
Write a ticket. My friend got hit too and support reverted it. The system is Utomated and an investigation is triggered when you get reported for inappropriate name. Sometimes it over acts might be that omfg is a trigger here, but I'd ask the support since your name has a comedic nature pretty sure the use of it is OK, if ofmg even was the trigger and not something weird in another language or some super rare abbreviation of slurs. Tldr. Write a ticket the, will either explain or revert. Also if your first answer seems unfitti g to what you asked, it was an automated response in which case you just need to answer to that ticket until you get a real reyponse
: Can anyone enlighten me about pre-tweaked crit items.
You go Sr first so you don't get stomped by the enemy support. When the hänge to what we have now was first made many people tried bt into zeal item. It led to them being to weak to contest anything. A finished item is always better than just parts of it. So going for Sr gives a massive power spike. When people tried to omitt Sr it lead to mid and jungle constantly coming bot to farm the adc minion. They all got their first item power spike and with the adc being weak early anyways omitting a spike made him very easy to kill. On the oder side rushing a zeal item like static is very gold in efficient. You attack faster and have a 25% crit chances but you can barely farm under turret. And even Canon minions deal feel like they deal more dmg than you so your xrits don't hurt too. With the next changes/revert it is to be expected that adcs will go bt into zeal again. But it is not certain old IE gave 250% crit dmg that made it worth to rush it. With bt rush you also get some power but it might be that the reduced 225% crit is to little to justify going bt into zeal. Might lead to a bot Fiesta meta again. It also isn't easy to say since the last item changes were accompanied by noticeable sustain nerfs for the adc and changes in the support meta. Mage supports took over and shifted how lane works since it now was all about out dmging and not out sustaining. So we will have to wait for the patch to see how it plays.
Adam Blaze (EUNE)
: If riot didn't want a specific player to play their game anymore, instead of banning his account they would ban his IP address for the whole game server (including other regions) Tyler1 for example went through this.
Riot never IP banned. Not even Tyler1 they Id banned him. Meaning as soon as a account was known to be used by him, it got banned. So a rioter would check his stream and hand ban every single account he played on during his stream.
Kurotsu (EUW)
: I'd like to join in and briefly say, duo-ing with someone lower elo is not boosting as the matchmaking will balance out the game to its best capability. Also if it was elo-boosting, then Riot would simply not allow a gold to duo with a silver. That's why there's already established limits.
Lol that's exactly why it can be considered boosting. The matchmaking is not designed to deal with high mmr variation in teams that's why flexQ creates such odd games often. By blocking silver to play with Plat they tell you they don't want you to rank so circumventing it with a smurf is kinda considerable as a break of rules. Maybe the term boosting does not really apply but it cannot be differentiated from somebody who has paid money for such a service. Also since exactly the mmr on all opsing players is very rare you most likely will get matched with a team with the same average. So silver and diamond will play VS gold and Plat in which case the diamond player still solo carries. And for the other thing. Correct a ban does not mean riot wants you gone it is very rare they will usher such an ID ban. Tyler1 was I'd banned. And there were a few instances in the earlier days where riotlyte would tell people to please never come back to the game.
: I came to the conclusion matchmaking tries to balance teams according to the same average elo so imagine the following. You play a game of Total War. Game has 2000 points for each army. With 80% winrate you're like an elite unit worth 1200 points so you can only buy cannon fodder 200 point units to fill in your army while the enemy has a more balanced unit composition, each worth 400. So the game expects you to do everything and be the team's faker.
This logic does not apply to league. Your teammates are not weaker than you, even though it appears this way a lote. Maybe right now they are from time to time since with season start MMR is not correctly distributed for the first hundred games. So you get people with the same MMR as you but lower skill but wait a few games and it will become less. So you are n ot the 1200 unit with 400 unit idiots. you are 1200 MMR with 1200 MMR mates, that just are there for the time being. And even a 1200 MMR guy will sometimes feed his/her ass of against the 1200 MMR opponent. The matchmaking is not trying to make you 50/50, the matchmaking gives you enemies of your strenght and team mates of your strength. So when you win a lot you will start to not be able to stomp as hard anymore and start to lose. Sometimes it lookes like your team was just uncarrieable but as I said only for the season start (first few weeks) and than it just is like this. You just lose at some point. So when you now can't carry anymore you reached your peak. you now will lose more often. THere is no 50/50 mechanism it just works out to be 50/50 when you reach your skill cap at some point.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >So how the %%%% is ADC supposed to kite nasus that slows your attack speed and your movement speed for like 5-6 seconds? with a support? like 99.99% of the adcs have but they use them as wardbots... >before 6,once he gets 6 you are %%%%ed,you wanna know why? so b8 his ult and run away? like you do with illaoi? >And about nasus jungle how the %%%% are you supposed to stop him farming his own jungle? get some defensive items and kite him? he does not have any flashy moves like zoe/fizz/a lot of other champs... nasus hurts you only if he is next to you or if he is ap
So my support is an active item that I need to use?.. Funny how ADCs use supports... I always thought they are players of their own that make decisions etc.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: There are some things that just aren't avoidable. There will always be parts of the game that make it seem unfair and a waste of time. In this case it's someone who goes afk on purpose or actually disconnects. It's just how the cookie crumbles, but it's up to you if you still want to play or not. My suggestion is to play with friends, that way you know who's present and who isn't.
But isn't his suggestion a very nice improvement to the current system. They still will be people going purposely AFK but if you took the base, or even the nexus as a base lane that needs to be left before 3 minutes, isn't it much better. There are many cases of failing to register a disconnect. Would it hurt? I think not would it help? Yeah it would a little. Does it cost. Don't know Riot will know, but I am pretty sure since they already have a system to measure movement for the leave buster anyway and for items like {{item:3094}}. So it should be very possible to include something like. If player movement < 1000 units... remake enable. So I would believe it is easy and would help to deal with the problem of eg, the cooky block, where receiving a cooky from your masteries is registered as activity by an afk player.
radetari (EUNE)
: its a different story when the enemy has 2 fed nukes
Your expierience is so vastly different from mine. I lost plenty of games that I leave my lane at 8/0 and just get roffel stomped by either a 0/4 Yasuo who just decided to randomly camp red buff or just the same but with any fed mid or top laner. Every bruiser can just jump you, stick to you and kill you. And yes... ADC has always been meta. so has top lane, mid jung and support. ADC firstly just is a role and their are meta shifts. Some times you get crit ADC some times you get onhit ADC some time utility ADC, the only thing they have in common is they are all ranged. But on the other hand there is stuff that other lanes all have in common too. Like top needs sustain on a viable champion. Mid needs speel casters, there is no viable AA champ in mid appart from the occasional Marksman but they usually are the more spell reliant type anyway. Jungle ALWAYS has smite and a jungle item. So bots common place is the range.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uhGiyHFA,comment-id=000100000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T22:02:05.949+0000) > > But have you ever had a rebrand of a big supermarket in your town? > > there is store in germany. It was called HWG like 25 years ago... it now is called Tegut. and people still tell me to get it at HWG... So good luck changing stubborn people like me :D Wow. We have something similar in Portugal. There's a thing called "Acordo Ortográfico" which is basically a "treaty" between "every" portuguese speaking countries - "every" because actually only 2 contries agreed to the deal. The objective of that "treaty" was to simplify portuguese... to everyone outside Portugal (basically only Brazil). Words with silent letters were changed, for example "óptimo" became "ótimo". The problem is very few people in Portugal agreed to that change to being with. Many portuguese teachers were against the change and it seems only a few elitists had a say on the matter. What I'm getting at is in my contry many of us still write like we used to and purposefully reject that "treaty". ######Both because it was unnecessary and few entities agreed to it. Afaik, PALOPs (portuguese speaking african countries) didn't sign the agreement. *** My problem with ELO vs MMR is that I see players from Season 6 onwards using those terms and not understanding what they mean. When I hear someone say "Bronze ELO" they're usually talking about "Bronze rank". Thankfully MMR and ELO (the rank) were tightly connected back then, so even if the terms are misused now it doesn't really matter. I'm just a big nitpicker regarding words. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Oh I feel ya. Germany changed its orthographic system in the outgoing 9ties. Some people still write that way, but hey you know it was made to make the langue more efficient and the system in itself more coherent in its written form. So as you know germany love adopting efficiency related stuff so it worked well... but hey 20 years in and people still are sometimes confused, the good thing is teachers actually liked the new system (most) and the new generation has no problem. Lucky for me that I learnd to write right in the year of the change... :-( :D But yeah. the Elo thing. When ever you see somebody write about it I first assume they have no idea what they are talking about anyway. it has become very rare to find people how understand at least half of the system. I don't claim I know all about it. But I was around at that times and I actually researched some of the stuff since I found it very interesting how skill can be measured. So your best bet is to always write a short bachelor thesis on the topic when ever somebody asks something, cause you can be sure, they have something wrong and you will have to explain EVERYTHING :D
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uhGiyHFA,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2019-01-25T11:32:52.092+0000) > > You are very well versed on the system. But you got something wrong. > ELO and MMR are the same. I didn't. The problem is with the names themselves. When I talk about ELO I'm talking about the equivalent to the current league system. When I want to talk about Chess ELO, I say MMR instead because thats the name League uses. > [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uhGiyHFA,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-25T10:03:53.590+0000) > > We must make the distinction, because we have 3 confliting names. MMR, ELO system (Chess) and ELO system (League). The first two is what they refer as being &quot;very similar&quot;. The 3rd one is just a &quot;paint coat&quot; - as Shiwah put it. I don't understand why people still say "ELO" when they are refering to "MMR". It just confuses things. If we have a proper name for "Chess ELO" system, why not use it instead?
Well... Its not to hard to learn Elo=MMR its like some people say ult some say ulti... Some refere to spells by their names others QWER and omit the fact that some peoplke might have changed their keys. So its not that problematic. In generel you are right. it should be refered to MMR when ever you talk about everything season 3 upwards. But have you ever had a rebrand of a big supermarket in your town? there is store in germany. It was called HWG like 25 years ago... it now is called Tegut. and people still tell me to get it at HWG... So good luck changing stubborn people like me :D
Nahiri (EUW)
: i just feel like my soloq mmr right now is affecting my flex que mmr, and i dont feel like that should be the case, before s9, we earned and lost equal amounts of sr, indicating that our mmr is kinda equal (in flex) its not like i earned 40 for a win and he 17, we both earned around 20 eatch win. Besides in soloq i main support but since he mains support in flex i fill and most of the time gets jungle top or adc, i am not a plat in those regards hint why my mmr is lower in flex then in soloq, but with s9 starting ot kinda felt like it deleted my flex que mmr and just put in my soloq one instead and now im to high.
Who knows maybe thats exactly what happend. Maybe Riot tried to stop Challenger Ranks to play 1200 normal MMR games. And maybe they bound the Rank mmr to all the others, basically getting all MMR pulled up the your rank MMR much faster. We will never know Riot keeps that a secret for good reasons, otherwise people would manipulate like crazy
Nahiri (EUW)
: but we arent destroying people like you mentioned, we actually have hard matches but now unable to play together, so what happens then? ill log onto a friend of mine account that is iron instead to play with him, yeah, thats a lot better then having two silver flex players play together, having a plat soloq playing with a silver soloq on a smurf. so i guess the only time ill be able to play with him on my main again is when they introduce the role system to euw in 3 months, untill then sorry irons for destroying ur soloq games, but i got no other choice
True. Thats prolly why they did something to the system. I am not trying to make you a villain here. i am just pointing out. Something must have been actively done by riot to have the situation with you. And I totally agree there needs to be a better way to allow play with friends that still is in a competetive enviorment.
: But the current system is exactly the one I'm describing, you're sorely delusional if you think that a system that effectively ignores the root of the problem is quintessentially good.
You describe nothing friend. You claim some stupid sh*t and don't know how the system works at all. You have no numbers to back your claims you have no insight, you have not shared any information apart from anecdotal crap. You claimed something about pardons... Show me! And show me it was not right if it happend, which I admitt does, but for cases that should never have gotten punished in the first place. Man up and stop crying. All you do is %%%%%ing in this thread. So before I start a meaningfull conversation with you do this. Make claims based on more than "i think", proof these claims, suggest a better system. Than I will talk to you again. And for gods sake stop pretending to be the victim of an unfair system.
: You commented the sweetest comment. I wish every player here was as positive thinking as you :) . It's hard when our own Top don't listen when we all ask him to group up and give a semi- free game to the enemy bot lane and make us lose that one chance of comeback . I think I'll wait few days and will try to help him at least reach gold and make him happy :P .
Thanks :-) {{sticker:sg-soraka}} But dont think to well of me. You can be certain the last few "inters" I had definitely had to listen to me telling them what I think of their plays... I hope I did't go to overboard with them though...
Nahiri (EUW)
: They have admitted its a bug, at least when it comes to the soloq/dueque one, where people report of the same issue that they cant que with friends they could before. but they havent said anything about flex, if its just automaticly included in the fix they are pushing out today or tomorrow, i cant tell and it worries me :/
Nono I was aware of that. i read the link They did not admitt, they claimed they know what causes it and are fixing it. Does not necessarily mean its a bug. Take everything riot says with a grain of salt. Every time they don't give a proper explanation they leave something out that they either want to hide or just don't want to be known just yet. So what caused the bug is the question, if it was a bug. Who had his greasy fingers on the code. It should not start to bug out of nothing. And I just think they changed something, what is absoletly in their right to fix some of the issues with flexQ and while doing so either %%%%ed up, or %%%%ed something up while doing somehting good.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: People only care about damage nowadays and nothing else
Is sona considered dmg or utility? I wonder I always considered her untility, but she utterly destorys me every time till 6... where she gets her ult and now it goes all over again. Generally I am on OPs side, but the problem is not just mage supports or dmg supports. It is dmg on that lane in general.
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