Voldymort (EUNE)
: >they are not comparing games, unless there is a game called "the real life", i never said they did
I meant that they are not comparing games to irl.... Do I have to make everything crystal clear ?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: I'll never understand why people compare a game to "the real world" {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
they are not comparing games, they are comparing certain things in games to irl scenarios. Encountering ''meanie'' people will also happen IRL is what he said... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: Not quite. Yes it's a given that league ever since alpha is and always will be a pvp 5v5 team game, however i was discussing the shift that happened at the time i started playing where Rioters themselves said that they will be shifting the overall gameplay to be _more _ team reliant than it was at that time. Key word is more. There's no doubt that the game is team oriented however solo carrying was still more easily achievable evident by how frequent it happened compared to today. The game is team reliant more than ever nowadays, so much so that people are complaining that individual skill matters less than ever. And the thing is, they have all the right to complain simply because Riot succeeded in their shift. They took more power out of solo carrying and shifted it to team organized carrying. No wonder 1 troll affects the outcome of the game so much compared to before, even more evident is how rare solo carrying scenarios happen (when said scenario is players of similar mmr competing and not a challenger making a new account or stuff like that cause duh). I'm not one to say if said direction is for the better or worse, a nice balance between team oriented gameplay and solo carrying is hand's down favorable however i understand that it's hard to achieve. BUT there's no denying that the feeling of your skill being irrelevant just because of the actions of one troll is a shitty feeling. People want their individual skill to matter more. I, and I assume many more, much rather have a game where 1 troll is somewhat irrelevant for the outcome of the game (at least not to the degree it is now) even if it results in carrying players being "too op" to deal with (which tbh with the damage creep the game deal with today compared with before i doubt this would even be an issue. Everyone melts in seconds and teamfight conclude too quickly for them to have a second phase or anything) Edit: I wish i could remember where heard the Rioter specifically mentioning their goal in shifting the focus to be more team oriented but i can't remember.
Imagine having teambased game with only pings and chat as your only way of communication with the team... Having to spend more time writing and spamming pings rather than talking about strategies (in VC) and making quick calls. Such things are impossible in VC and because of that players will be frustrated and tilted... And flaming and blaming will start happening. Why ? Because you couldn't have said all the needed information in order to prevent certain things of happening. This might not be as important as other things in the game to **casuals** . But for a player that wants to improve and grind this shit is a huge problem.
Inaphyt (EUW)
: Sounds like a bunch'a crap to me i see people solo carry games every day. Go watch professor akali and tell me he doesn't solo carry games.
Reach high enough elo and then tell me that people can solo carry games. Everything up to diamond 5 can be carried easier but definitely not always all by yourself you will still loose many games because of this one teammate/s even if you are 20/1. I've seen pro players complaing for the same shit... . Saying that this game has turned too much teambased and your own skills don't really matter without having a decent teammates... Not to mention that in high elo people often get autofilled and the team with most autofilled players instantly looses. The reason is obvious
: Our conversation is over. There is a HUGE difference between both casual and competitive gamers. You continue to say your assumptions as facts which is starting to annoy me. Better end it here and now from my end at least
I have to declare it over to show that I am done with this nonsense
: There are casual and competitive gamers in both console and pc games. And no there isn’t much difference... the motivation is different but in the end both are playing the same game... It’s like saying if two scientists got into science differently that doesn’t make one scientist less of a scientist than the other... same as a biologist isn’t less of a scientist as a physicist... no different here.
Our conversation is over. There is a HUGE difference between both casual and competitive gamers. You continue to say your assumptions as facts which is starting to annoy me. Better end it here and now from my end at least
: Your entire argument sums up to you assuming you are any different to console gamers, pc master race doesn’t exist, all gamers are the same, get over yourself.
>Your entire argument sums up to you assuming you are any different to console gamers, pc master race doesn’t exist, all gamers are the same, get over yourself. So to you casual gamers and competitive gamers are also the same right?
: You can't even read properly: > Very young _**and**_ uneducated ? I never wrote that. I made an assumption based on, among other things, the simple fact that you cannot even answer simple questions that were just asked for clarification purposes. Also you can't have any scientific background - otherwise you would know that your "testresults" were worthless.
Explain yourself, explain why VC is VERY EXPENSIVE, why its going to be used only by the minority (even tho this minority are milions of players), why it has little upsides and tons of downsides. Explain it, prove me wrong. This is what I'm asking you. Also don't you think you are a hypocrite by saying that ?
: Firstly, > Think about it, you mute everyone and use voice chat, everyone else mutes everyone and does the same... everyone becomes muted and guess what, nobody can hear each other. Real useful huh. > In every voice chat system everyone opts out of mass mutes at the start of every game... why would riot waste resources on a system nobody wants to use. we can do that in normal games with regular chat! And? What is your point here? > Firstly don’t need keyboards there’s such a thing as a laptop Secondly computers have way more uses than just league, I get my money’s worth with just using it for uni, not to mention the other games I have on there If I brought a mic there’s no reason to use it... completely pointless. People shouldn’t be forced into buying accessories for a game that is both unnecessary and will never be used. Wait, wait! This is really nice argument! If you playing a game that might get shut down sometime in future doesnt that also count as completely pointless? :D Your arguments are without any source, without any valid point! You present all your points as facts! Are they? Did Dota2 decided to remove their VC? Did any of the games that use VC decided to remove it? Why did Fortnite implement VC if it has no positive arguments for it? You are jumping to defend Rito in every turn and thats commendable! But after seeing your arguments all over boards and having to argue with you I realized that you are not speaking of facts! You masquerade your points in facts. But they are not facts! :D Give me proof of it! Tell me reason why did from the start of the gaming VC been something that everyone asked for? Why did I keep downloading TS, Skype and Discord all this years? If you bought mic and never wanted to use it for VC its totally pointless but can you say that for everyone else who bought Headphones with mic and used it for VC? XD People should be given opportunity to choose if they want or not use specific feature!!!!
>It really isn’t... and I don’t think anyone would like for the fate of their account to be in the hands of voice recognition which can easily be messed up by simple accents and dialects. Because the current system is doing anything better right ? I can only laugh at how this piece of crap has to handle ''toxicity''... . Anything new would be better than the current system I can assure you that. > Except that’s exactly what happens... the vast majority of the time voice chat functions sit completely unused. In both PC and console games the voice chat function is rarely used and when it is it’s the people you mute. 2.500+ hours in CS:GO. I can tell you that based of my experience 90%+ of the time people were using voice chat . http://prntscr.com/n02axr > In every voice chat system everyone opts out of mass mutes at the start of every game... why would riot waste resources on a system nobody wants to use. This is UNTRUE. I've used voice chat in many games and based on my experience almost NOBODY decided to not use it. You are speculating at what might happen and you are turning it into a fact without having any proof or any experience. Guess what ? ATM we are all speculating at what might happen after Voice chat is implemented but I have bigger voice since I had experience with it in other competitive games (not only CS:GO). >If I brought a mic there’s no reason to use it... completely pointless. People shouldn’t be forced into buying accessories for a game that is both unnecessary and will never be used. Yet again another comment that is just wrong. You can buy a decent mic for 5$ . I had a mic that sounded pretty good for that price. And I doubt anyone in 2019 would ever think like you and say ''5$ is too much for me... . I don't have that much money to spend''. You are **not forced** to use it and I doubt the casual players will ever buy one just for that. **BUT ** for the more competitive players that have set their mind to reach certain rank they will obviously buy a microphone and use it. Its 5$ bud, its not 500$ . Oh btw, nowadays nearly everybody is using headphones and most of the time headphones come with a mic ;)
Xiley (EUNE)
: How can you say voice chat would be expensive when they already spend a lot of money on hosting the game itself, developing it, hosting e-sport tournaments and so on so obviously money is not an issue + VC wouldn't be NEARLY as expensive as the things I've just mentioned. Also, I don't understand how you can say that no would use it in a competitive game that LoL is. People WOULD use it because most people seem to be too lazy to open up Discord or TS while playing solo queue so having it already in game would save them a lot of "effort". Go play other games with voice chat implemented in them and then come back so we can discuss it because right now all of your points come from ignorance.
Your comment can get removed if you use the word ''ignorant/ignorance'' so be careful fam.
: Ok, you are obviously very young or uneducated and can't even answer simple questions. You have no idea how to make decisions from a economic (and also legal) perspective. Have a nice day.
Very young and uneducated ? So you are speculating that I am young and uneducated because I don't have the same mindset as you. You are right and I am wrong is more of a childish mindset if ask me. Explain me how VC is VERY EXPENSIVE feature that probably only a minority would use with the purpose to replace already existing services. It is not cost-efficient and has little upsides and tons of downsides. Explain this. All I see is pure bullshit. Swampert didn't explain anything. Didn't have proof, no valid points, doesn't have experience... nothing
: Since @swampert919 already gave some reasonable explanation, may I ask two question, seriously: How old are you? What do you know about economics?
If you were talking about VC then you are talking utter nonsense. If you were talking about something else then I apologize . But thinking VC is very expensive feature that only minority will use it (even tho this minority is over milions of players) and that it has more cons that pros is ridiculous. I don't think swampert gave any ''reasonable'' explanations at all
: The simple answer: It would be very expensive feature that probably only a minority would use with the purpose to replace already existing services. It is not cost-efficient and has little upsides and tons of downsides.
expensive feature to add voice chat ? that only minority would use ? Little upsides and tons of downsides ? are you high by any chance ?
Xiley (EUNE)
: Riot makes up problems that don't exist. I've never seen in games likes DotA or CS:GO anyone complaining about someone talking shit in chat as long as they play the game and try to win. It's made up a issue by Riot trying to control their player base instead of just focusing on making the game good. STILL having no REAL voice chat shows they don't understand competitive play whatsoever. The argument "we wouldn't be able to punish people for bad behavior with voice chat being there" is utter nonsense. You have VIDEO replays available for EVERYONE so why wouldn't you be able to have VOICE CHAT REPLAYS after someone gets reported? You're lying to us and you know it.
+ the bigger frustration that causes toxicity from the competitive players is the lack of communication. Being able to make a QUICK call is crucial at any given moment. You can't use pings to say ''Rengar is going to flank me, Janna use that to deny him'', ''Nocturne will ult so be ready to do that'', '' get this minion for level 6 and all in, I will do that and you do that'' etc... . So many small calls can turn the game around but I guess Riot doesn't know the benefits.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: i told you i went over all that, 10 years of WoW, a great sum of money, tons of friends, and i did quit in a day... (not the friends too, we played other games together) and if you cant quit that easily then its really a problem that needs help, addiction is a serious issue even in the form of playing games
: Heh, I made similar post about this and got mostly downvotes without constructive criticism. Here though, I agree with your points. League is a competitive game and requires fast and coherent communication. It is team-oriented, which is exactly what Riot has been promoting over the last couple of years (teamwork OP).
promoting teamwork by reading other people's minds and being able to communicate only via pings and text is slow af. Teamwork in this game is only in the pro scene. In soloQ teamwork is absolute joke , unless you are in those 1/10,000 games
Evidence (EUNE)
: AS a fellow veteran to another veteran,i agree and fully understand if u cant find fun in this game,better take a long break,as i m ,i m still waiting for some big change,like big one. I have posted similar posts like this,but people cant do anything,other then maybe make a petition and try to convice as many as u can to join ur cause,cuz i will and ik other veterans will. The thing that makes u back is hat this game can be fun,but the problem is they are to esports focused as never before,that they have lost their connection to community,like bliizzard. The big change and positive change will be using voice in ranks,cuz it will be good,ye people will rage again on forum,but will gte used to,eventualy. Cuz i cant ping and write,to tell my juingler that we cant kill riven when she just e and qs,for example. Have a nice day.{{champion:83}}
> The big change and positive change will be using voice in ranks,cuz it will be good,ye people will rage again on forum,but will gte used to,eventualy. The people who think its a bad idea are usually the casuals who have no idea wtf is ranked. Every competitive player will agree that voice chat is a must have in every teambased game
Irarius (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DoingGodsWork4,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=UjuoWwKm,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-03-18T14:05:47.631+0000) > > Couldn't have said it better. > Just wait till this game starts dying and then see that Riot will actually start listening but its going to be too late. Since this games kicks out newbies after they see the toxicity in the lower levels (I've seen it on this account) I doubt they will ever come back. And the current system is doing NOTHING to stop it, Instead its actually promoting it. > This game has become a total joke. Riot turned anything functional/decent to shit. URF, Punishments, Runes, Ranked system (twice as far as I remember), Honor system for rewarding positive behaviour, some reworks , champion's kits that don't allow you to build the champ AP / AD / Tanky . Remember old Tristana ? Well now you can't build such champions AP/AD since their kits are focused on physical/magical dmg. And probably many more issues... . > Thinking Riot are trying their best to make the community happy and improve the game is delusional. Riot cares only about your money, they used to care long time ago but now they don't give a single damn about the person that has been here since day one. > Funny how one person can call the guy who is intentionally loosing his game a re-tard but he will get punished instead of the guy that (**intentionally**) lost his game and time (for 9 other people). Even the ''support'' doesn't care about context. Even sending them ticket with proof of how the other person was **Intentionally ** trying to loose the game with the whole chat is never going to fix the situation. > Someone explain me why context doesn't matter ONLY IN LEAGUE. i entirely forgot that ap ad hybrid stuff, damn... i miss some of these... rly bad... i wish some of these would return and be playable again.. without the dumb excuses also i would like to get more point and click champs again, simmple asf champs with no over the top aim and tons of skillshots... some champs have been rly fun with that but sadly its gone ( i do know that some stuff like ap yi was op asf but it was interesting and iot could have given us a ad alternative on him so you can actually play something similiar... like lethality crit scaling on yis alphastrike. so ou just alpha everything to shreds but dont actually auto that fast..or somethibg
AP Shaco, AP Sion, AP Tristana , AD Nidalee, AP Jarvan, AD Blitz, AD Alistar and many more. I remember even playing AP Caitlynn and made her work LOL. This shit was so damn fun until Riot started going full braindead mode and %%%%ing everything up. I remember they talked about this and gave the most re-taded excuse EVER. They said something on the lines of how this is UNHEALTHY. I am not saying this was the exact word they used but it was something similar.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: i dunno what else can i say... it seems like ppl are really thinking like you, which is a problem in itself... you dont hold on a red hot metal bar complaining that it hurts you, you let it go, so why dont you do it with league? i dont see it going downhill at all, so far every major change they did was fine for me, i could even be happy with position ranks, but they reverting that (thats a funny story too, ppl complained that eune/euw did not have it, and now they want it removed) and im the delusional here? because i like the changes that riot makes? and not the ones who still keep playing the game even tho they hate it so much? if thats the case then i wont reply anymore and ill enjoy the downvotes, have a good day
So you are still thinking you are perfect and everything you do is completely normal and the problem is in other people for not being able to quit the game as easily as you. Do a conversation with these people and you will understand. No ? These people should seek help since what they do is not normal ? Ooooookay. You are delusional for thinking quitting games is that easy bud. Do you truly think quitting the game is a piece of cake when you spent 3000 hours on it, 500 from pocket money ,over 7 years of gameplay , the cool friends you met while playing? You are not just going to toss everything away after you went this far.
Xiley (EUNE)
: Voice Chat
Before anybody comes here and says ''People are toxic and kids will scream and say meanie words'' NO, this is stupid since I've already tested voice chat with discord in s7 and I had NO issues. Made over 15 games with average 3 people in vc (including me) and nobody was being childish and screaming as obvious. Why ? Easy answer. People that play competitively get pissed off when they have no way of asking for assistance or making a call with their team asap, making quick calls is crucial and VC will truly make the game more of a 5vs5 rather than 1-5 vs 5 (I hope you got what I meant with that). At least give it only to ranked since normal games can be kinda strange. Or you know, experiment with it ? I doubt they know what experimenting means *cough* S9 ranked shit system *cough*. Well honestly talking I've been in many discussions regarding voice chat and NONE of them had any Rioter comment at why they don't want voice chat (besides a silly example that doesn't even answer the question) so I doubt they will ever see these posts. Mods are trying to fill that gap but they will always be on Riot's side, I've seen it many times. No matter context they will always side with Riot's decision. Some might even abuse their powers in order to shut you.
Ladrac (EUNE)
: I feel you dude, even if I play only since the end of season 5, I am so fed up with the game and I try to quit it slowly, slowly...trying to play less and less, cuz I can't just quit overnight, after all the time and money I invested in it. When I started, at the end of season 5, I remember the game was ok, things were fine, now everybody onekshots everybody, they keep releasing champions with a milion dashes, cc, heals, invisibility....they re buffing champions that are already strong and nerf the ones that dont need nerfs...
: It's not the devs who ban you on these boards. Rioters who can make a change are not reading these posts.
Irarius (EUW)
: ok first thanks for many kind words. didnt actually expect this. yesteday was especialy bad with the game and that for the last weeks. slowly i play less lol and other games instead, i feel less agressive overall... i mean i have one friend who plays ranked all the time while i am just listening and talking to him and hes perma pissed. i mean look the game is not shit its just so many things that COULD be better that it makes you be mad for relatively small reasons. and as some have pointed out. after so long its tough to stop. still i think the cinematics and storys they got are amazing and i wish still for years now that a movie or a animated series or something will come before the game is dead the comics seem sweet and i think i will read those. so quiting the game becomes somewhat harder i guess but none the less with the extreme ignorance of riot towards some of the things i just cant do it anymore also i am aware that other ppl enjoy the game, do as you wish if you do enjoy it then thats fine even now and then i get some fun out of the game aswell, just not as much as seasn 1-3 i feel season 3 was propably when the game was at its peak... hell if they would make special modes where everything is based on an older season i would give that a shot too.... maybe am talking out of a vague memory or something who knows. also one thing i kinda forgot is how ppl vuiew you if you dont play rankeds, i personally just play for rewards and stop rank afetr gold. afrer platin you are forced due to decay to play and thats not cool, so i just dont go higher ( i was once higher but i realised its not worth it anyway) so when you are gold or something you get mocked all the time for beeing gold. which is kinda weard, anyway have a good day.
I can relate to your friend. Also there is a difference between casual and competitive players. Both have different mindsets , goals and different issues (sometimes both have the same issues). Depending on the topic this is important to know. I've seen people who think that competitive players should be treated as casuals. Which is stupid once you give it a thought. You've stated that you are a casual player so I am trying to see it from the casual player's point of view (I was also a casual player for my first two years before switching to ranked)
Tarolock (EUNE)
: yes, and you are the prime example, you force yourself to keep playing a game you dont like and you think they should change it for your liking, but heres the catch: you are NOT the only one playing the game, so if you dont like a game why do you play it? if you would just leave you would prevent a lot of headaches and prolly would find a game you truly enjoy, instead of annoying ppl with your nonsense about why you dont like this game... if i could took the time i could say a million bad things about past seasons that totally killed the game, but you would just ignore it like my other replies, so whats the point... have fun playing this game thats "dead" and you dont even like it at all
Just say ''I like everything Riot does and I don't care about the consequences of their actions since they are always trying their best no matter what'' And live in your own little world where Riot are always right and the community's feedback over 9 years of experience is irrelevant. >and if you cant leave the game then you should seek help, because thats not normal, no matter how long you play or how much money you spent on it... I've been playing since season 2 , Up until s4 everything was going well and I had lots of fun .After season 5 the game started going downhill with stupid changes and even more braindead ''balances'' . S5 was full of unbalanced and obnoxious reworks (Garen, Darius, Skarner prob even more) and the meta was not fun at all. Riot introduced Dynamic queue s6 and we had to go through it for a whole year and finally reverted it after MAJORITY of the community gave a NEGATIVE feedback to this nonsense. I mean they also uploaded a video in which they said that they won't bring back SoloQ and in this video Scarra said that Dynamic queue is shit. It took them 1 year of ignorance to bring back SoloQ. Should they be applauded for (**FINALLY**) listening to the feedback or should they learn from such mistakes ? Because if they were learning from their past mistakes the game wouldn't have ended like this. I can bet that majority of this community is frustrated and doesn't like league but stays in hope of Riot fixing the issues. I was addicted back in the day. I spent 7-10 hours every single day playing league, I woke up at 4 am just to have 2 extra hours of gameplay before going to school. I couldn't wait to go back home and do my homework asap so I can start play league. I didn't go out with friends because of it. I was barely even eating since eating was loosing my valuable time in which I could play. I spent around 250$ (500 here) from my pocket money which was 2.50 a day in order to buy skins and support this company. Few years later I got punished for getting annoyed since I had huge loss streak and games were full of toxic scum (giving up after 1st death, intentionally feeding, trolling, flaming me for their mistakes etc. etc.), I called the guy that started trolling me (he was following me trying to steal my jungle monsters) a re-tard because I didn't give him ''his'' buff (I was the jungler) and guess what ? 14 day ban. Few months later, I was in my diamond promos and I was so close to reaching my goal (I was feeling so confident and happy). We had an autofilled guy and I let him play my main role (jungle), we swapped and I went support (my 2nd main role). I was duo-ing with my adc so we had no trouble with communication. We won early and mid game but this piece of shit had the audacity to say'' %%%% you, I am not helping'' because my adc who was beyond fed got the red buff and he was behind. And since this games was with P1-D4 players they took advantage of that fact and we lost the game. We were like 12k gold ahead and we lost the game because some piece of shit decided to throw the game because my fed adc took red buff. Was I in the wrong for insulting him ? Oh yeah, I forgot.... How silly of me. Context doesn't matter :) . Got that response from the support and at that moment I knew that they don't give a single shit about the players. You maybe thought I uninstalled the game and forgot about it ? Nope, I am still playing it, not giving a single cent to this scummy company but still playing it. After they showed me a middle finger I am still playing it. I am definitely not spending near the same amount of time as I used to back in the days. I can 100% assure you that many people are in the same situation as me.
Irarius (EUW)
: Why i personally dont want to play this game anymore... after almost 9 years
Couldn't have said it better. Just wait till this game starts dying and then see that Riot will actually start listening but its going to be too late. Since this games kicks out newbies after they see the toxicity in the lower levels (I've seen it on this account) I doubt they will ever come back. And the current system is doing NOTHING to stop it, Instead its actually promoting it. This game has become a total joke. Riot turned anything functional/decent to shit. URF, Punishments, Runes, Ranked system (twice as far as I remember), Honor system for rewarding positive behaviour, some reworks , champion's kits that don't allow you to build the champ AP / AD / Tanky . Remember old Tristana ? Well now you can't build such champions AP/AD since their kits are focused on physical/magical dmg. And probably many more issues... . Thinking Riot are trying their best to make the community happy and improve the game is delusional. Riot cares only about your money, they used to care long time ago but now they don't give a single damn about the person that has been here since day one. Funny how one person can call the guy who is intentionally loosing his game a re-tard but he will get punished instead of the guy that (**intentionally**) lost his game and time (for 9 other people). Even the ''support'' doesn't care about context. Even sending them ticket with proof of how the other person was **Intentionally ** trying to loose the game with the whole chat is never going to fix the situation. Someone explain me why context doesn't matter ONLY IN LEAGUE.
Neomarre (EUW)
: You are just spoiled. If you like mobas there is no better time to be alive. If you do not like LOL or Riot you can always play Dota2. But think about it. You can play a game which runs on dedicated servers for absolutely free if you choose so. And with a team of people who keep working on the game, looking for ways to keep it fresh and balanced. And if it wasn't for Dota2 LOL would be without a doubt the best game in genre out there. And since there is its debatable if its the best or 2nd best. And yea Riot has to make money duh, so there are ways in the game which contribute but skins are just cosmetics, and champions are unlockable by just playing the game and fairly fast if i might say so. Much faster than one can master any given champ you can unlock an additional one. Yea sure maybe you personally do not like some changes but you know what happens when developers listen to people? Especially loud and negative ones as yourself? Pure chaos. Anyway in no way shape or form does Riot deserve to be compared with EA. Sure maybe they do mistakes but regardless if they ever get close to EA level of greediness they are nowhere near that right now. If they wanted to be greedy they could push out overpowered champions one after another every couple of weeks or so basically forcing you to buy them with cash to stay competitive. And what i saw in last couple of years is less and less new champions more and more balance and interesting game play additions and skins. Plenty of ways to support the game if you want to, much enjoyment to have if you can't and sure i'm not saying that they do not make mistakes because they do but there is way more reasons to be positive than negative about League.

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