: You say "because I wasn't insulting him, the person behind the desk.". Hmmm, intesting. Cause I thought I read..... > ElementAlix: youre bad for this community, go play another game > ElementAlix: youre a awful player, ruining every players game > ElementAlix: brand is being a douchebag Seems like insulting the Brand player to me. Very little about his playstyle there. What kind of playstyle is "douchebag" then? What kind of build to you take to play douchbag? Can you play douchebag in all lanes or just bot? How about "bad" or "afwul"? You even say player. Not playstyle. An "awful player". Your own chatlog contradicts your own imaginary excuses.
I'm kind of happy they banned me, because I actually made more of my life now. League is bad for everyone! Take on my advice, leave this game, not only is it shit, there are better games all around, but it also makes you toxic in every way. League of legends should die and I really hope it does, just for the good of humanity...
Zyzyx (EUW)
: Strategical information, gestures of sportmanship, fun interaction. > If you don't like my words, don't read them How do I know your words without reading them? > That's it, if you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't be putting out a chat in the game in the first place. I'm not there to make new friends... Interesting how you try to shift the blame to the people you insulted. If you are unable to behave in chat, that is YOUR problem and you will have to face the consequences. Don't try to blame this on anyone else but you. Others are not responsible for you being rude. That's on you.
On the contrary... Others are responsible for me being rude, otherwise I wouldn't have any reason to be rude! Maybe I should mention that the person I had a conflict with, was verbally attacking me... It's a counteroffensive, but apparently you seem to rather take pity on yourself? Some people lack the ability to defend themselves...
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ElementAlix,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P1E2KIKG,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T19:17:47.597+0000) > > Seriously I can't be accounted for two games on my actual behaviour. Yes you can. Also i doubt it were just 2 games in total which got you permabanned. > I agree I was toxic in these games, but I do feel I'm kind of the victim in this part. Bullcrap. You were toxic, you got punished. One wrongdoing doesnt justify another. >The guy was trolling during that game, so yeah it is my fault i commented in a toxic way. But that doesn't make me a bad person, just for two games in total. I know i said it again, but it seems hard to understand. After your 14day ban, you got a message were was clearly stated. ANY further offense will result in a perma. YOU agreed to that. AFTER this you were toxic again. So how do you think this is not right? >Surely you have said something during a game, which you knew wasn't correct. It is impossible not to, as it wouldn't make you human. Been playing since s1, never got punished once. Looks like there are some people who can control themself. >Then again creating a new account, while actual trolls are still in there, but still I got suspended, because I reacted to their behaviour. It doesn't seem right. Ooh and I just got promoted a day before to a higher honor level. So I was being good and polite during my games. I think it is a bit unfair not to look at the whole situation. Not only this game, but also other games before this one to actually take this to a permanent ban. Look above, it doesnt matter. What matters is that you were toxic and got punished. Simple as that, there is no whole picture.
Nope, 2 games... Frustration can lead to many things, but it seems you can't seem to aknowledge the fact that some people play the game to win and not to have actual trollers or feeders to ruin it for them... Please tell me what was so toxic about this, where someone decided to cry and kill himself, and got traumatised of the words I said. I will not allow discrimination, racism or anything like that. But I can't seem to figure out the worst scenario this chat log brought with it. I'm now wondering if the support actually died in the meantime... What do you think? (Btw last ban was similar to this one) Actually, I had no clue I would get banned for this. As you could just ask the person to say stuff, and get banned for it... I feel like they at least have the decency to put both logs aside of each other and make there final decision based on that. Permanently banning is when they tell you to stay away forever, but on the contrary, they told me to make a new account... What's the point of that? Asking a player to create a new account after his previous account was banned? That is one of the most disrespectful things to do. Not only did you directly point out the person is a horrible person, and is aknowledged to be a disgrace to society. You just ask him to support the game again, like hell no...
Zyzyx (EUW)
: > What should I have said? How about nothing? Why is it so important to you to verbally attack other players? > what is the use of a chat then? Doing USEFUL stuff!
Please point me out what the usefulness of chat is, because I can't seem to see anything useful in it. Maybe pinging, but that's the only thing to use. If you don't like my words, don't read them or mute me... That's it, if you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't be putting out a chat in the game in the first place. I'm not there to make new friends...
ShanksFX (EUW)
: You can ask/tell them to stop in non insulting manner. If they dont stop, they dont care and especially wont stop when you start insulting them. So just hit the mute button, play your game and report afterwards. Not sure if a report for griefing actually does much here, but i guess it will, if he gets a few more. Also acting like this will keep your account safe. Edit: just checked you op.gg and holy hell it even was a normal. I would've kinda uderstood it if you went overboard in a ranked (still no excuse tho) but a normal? Gosh damn. You just lost your account for flaming in a normal game. Let that sink in and think about, if this was really the only thing you could've done.
I don't see the difference between a normal game and a ranked game. I'm a competitive guy, and will never allow players to play the game differently, whether they like it or not. If the community is that stupid in the first place, just because they can't handle a random stranger... I got bad news for you and the entire community, because life isn't about roses and rainbows.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ElementAlix,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P1E2KIKG,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T18:55:13.601+0000) > > So not reacting to it, seems the best way to handle this situation? Why? > > Surely you should react to this I think... Its about how you react. And guess what, you can react non toxic, even in a situation like this. > [{quoted}](name=ElementAlix,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P1E2KIKG,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T18:58:17.754+0000) > > I guess you're right. Into the moment I was immediatly pissed of of course, which made sure I reacted badly. Still I don't think I hurted his feelings, guess all I did was feeding the trolls :( As I wasn't being negative about his behaviour, just the way he was playing the game. > > Sad times, because I really like this game and its unfortunate to say goodbye to a game I love playing :'( And I feel like I'm not a toxic person at all, just a single game where someone is trolling me got me banned... You got at least one 14 day ban before this, maybe even more before. So no, this was not only one game you were toxic. I've been playing since s1 and never been banned, chat restricted or punished in any way. Doesnt matter how you feel, you are toxic. Tpxic enough for riot, to close you account. So dont play the victim card, this is 100% your fault. Also you dont have to stop playing, you can always create another account. Maybe you can restrain yourself some more in the future.
Seriously I can't be accounted for two games on my actual behaviour. I agree I was toxic in these games, but I do feel I'm kind of the victim in this part. I actually tried to play the game further on, an other thing I could do was going afk. I don't know what you think is best, but playing on, seems the right thing to do. The guy was trolling during that game, so yeah it is my fault i commented in a toxic way. But that doesn't make me a bad person, just for two games in total. Surely you have said something during a game, which you knew wasn't correct. It is impossible not to, as it wouldn't make you human. Then again creating a new account, while actual trolls are still in there, but still I got suspended, because I reacted to their behaviour. It doesn't seem right. Ooh and I just got promoted a day before to a higher honor level. So I was being good and polite during my games. I think it is a bit unfair not to look at the whole situation. Not only this game, but also other games before this one to actually take this to a permanent ban.
Zyzyx (EUW)
: Basically you are not allowed to flame, no matter what. > but is is then correct to react positive on this behaviour? How about reacting in any way EXCEPT breaking the rules?
I guess you're right. Into the moment I was immediatly pissed of of course, which made sure I reacted badly. Still I don't think I hurted his feelings, guess all I did was feeding the trolls :( As I wasn't being negative about his behaviour, just the way he was playing the game. Sad times, because I really like this game and its unfortunate to say goodbye to a game I love playing :'( And I feel like I'm not a toxic person at all, just a single game where someone is trolling me got me banned...
Zyzyx (EUW)
: > What should I have said? How about nothing? Why is it so important to you to verbally attack other players? > what is the use of a chat then? Doing USEFUL stuff!
So not reacting to it, seems the best way to handle this situation? Why? Surely you should react to this I think...
: after 14-day ban, anything toxic will lead you to a permaban
I don't see the toxicity in this, I was saying he was acting as a douchebag. Which in this case isn't incorrect, I agree that I was being negative, but if my behaviour gets punished, because he did the bad stuff. I do think this is quit unfair...
Zyzyx (EUW)
: It's quite simple actually. You insulted other players. That's not allowed. That's why you got punished. It's a permanent ban because this wasn't your first rodeo and you should have known better. You only get so many chances to adapt your behavior to the rules you agreed to.
I still don't think it is fair, because I wasn't insulting him, the person behind the desk. I was saying his playstyle was idiotic. What should I have said? Nothing, what is the use of a chat then? You can't say anything positive about that, or can you? I have completly changed my attitude, but in this case I wasn't offensive to the person. I wasn't being racist, or discriminating, tellling someone to die or anything else. I was mad, because he was being a douche the whole game. What is there so toxic about that? Last time I got banned for one game, which I didn't think was that offensive either. This time I get banned for yet another single game. And in this game, the guy was trolling, which means I get banned for saying he did bad stuff or his attitude wasn't correct. That's not fair at all...
Magneset (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ElementAlix,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P1E2KIKG,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-20T17:50:15.294+0000) > Just before you read the actual chat log, let me tell you what happened. Context is not relevant when it comes to punishments for toxic behavior. You are only accountable for what YOU say. > > Game 1 > ElementAlix: my god brand, stop being %%%%%%ed (Offensive language) > ElementAlix: its lost anyways, why should i care, you take my cs and play as a %%%%%% (Offensive language) > ElementAlix: youre a awful player, ruining every players game (Negative attitude) > ElementAlix: %%%%%% (Offensive language) > ElementAlix: brand is being a douchebag (Offensive language) > ElementAlix: youre a useless supp (Negative attitude) > ElementAlix: report brand being toxic pls (Report calling) > ElementAlix: even mid doesnt like you, you guys are so awful to play with (Negative attitude) > ElementAlix: a thrash bin (Negative attitude) > ElementAlix: so useful as a supp... (Negative attitude) You even call your team members "bad for the community". Might want to look at your behavior and realise that you got banned because YOU are bad for the community. In any case. You are extremely toxic and negative towards your team mates so the ban is 100% justified.
So basically I can't react to someone who is stealing my farm as a support. I don't think thats fair and I dont get you agree with this. I know it was negative, but is is then correct to react positive on this behaviour?
: Permanently banned
Ooh the word that is spelled different is r e t a r d, but I didn't know it was such an offensive word. As I'm not english, and thought it meant idiot...
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Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Homophobia when I'm gay myself, That's not an excuse that works. Nobody knows ingame that you're a homosexual. All they see is the homophobic nature of the content you post. Riot has to treat everyone by the same rules, and the community has 0 tolerance for any form of homophobia. --- > The system is just broken. Instead of having actual people looking in to this The system is designed to catch, and punish, homophobic behaviour with a 14 day ban. So when the system has done exactly what's intended, why is it broken? You not personally agreeing with the ban doesn't suggest the system is broken. --- > But then again riot is always lazy and doens't care about its community anyways... The severity of this penalty is based on desires from the community. We're the ones who have signaled to Riot that we want homophobic behaviour to be punished severly, and Riot has listened to the community. How does that make them not care?
Because its a game, saying a word 3 times to a person that you don't know. Are you really going to end your life because of someone over the internet... That just really makes no sense at all, and if you do, there are other issues involved. Are you going to be offended because someone called you something 3 times, I really hope not, because otherwise, you once again have mental issues... You can't disagree with this, because you know its true. Verbal abuse online is way less intimidating then real life... Like I haven't had people calling me this? Of course there have been people calling me this online, but in this case, the people we beat were just jealous. Because we had won the game, otherwise they wouldn't have reported me at all. If someone said bad things the whole game, like non-stop. I would definitly agree, but this is just complete nonsense... And stating that riot is lazy, of course I'm right with this one. You can't judge a feedback report within 15 minutes, because the game wasn't finished in 15 minutes. They just looked at 3 words and thats it. Ignoring everything I said afterwards... That basically makes them lazy. So yeah I'm completly correct when I'm saying the system is broken. They haven't even answered my e-mails yet. So if they cared, well they would have answered within a 12 hour period...
: Homophobia racism death wishes are instant 14 days ban. Mongolians are also discriminated against since saying their nationality is also a 14day ban.
Homophobia when I'm gay myself, funny tho. The system is just broken. Instead of having actual people looking in to this... But then again riot is always lazy and doens't care about its community anyways...
BBOY DAPSY (EUNE)
: I really think people should not get banned for been toxic, it just sounds dumb to me. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
hmm, it depends of course, as some people are really negative, but in this case. I mean im really not a toxic person, so this system just doesn't make sense at all. I think they should look at this system again, because you can 5 man report someone and make sure he gets banned. As easy as that. Btw I'm gay myself, so basically say the word %%%got to my brothers all the time. Because come on, lets not be a crybaby about it.
GLurch (EUW)
: Since the season ended already and you got punished after it ended, you should get rewards. Your rewards are also based on the rank or honor level you received when season ended, not after, so if you were to drop from ranked decay or sth like that now, it shouldn't affect your rewards. However, I could be wrong there :/ Guess you just have to see after your ban for the most reliable source. You can also try looking in the comments under this post or do a comment yourself: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support-en/87XyAL48-2017-ranked-rewards-help-desk They'll probably know more than we do.
Alright :) Thanks for the help
: however you cant do anything about it so deal with it
I know, just wanted the opinion of other people...
GLurch (EUW)
: Well, Riot gives out a 14 day ban for this kind of behavior since a large majority of the community reports for it and many people think it deserves a 14 day ban. If you were nice further into the game, you didn't seem to be nice enough, because apparently, your behavior was still abusive enough for people to report you.
Then I have a question based on my ranked rewards, which I worked hard for this season. As this is the first season I got to gold? Am I going to get the gold border etc., I wouldn't mind not getting anything at all. But I got the honor 5 ward this morning, which then makes no sense at all of course. But does my ranked lvl drop and am I uneligible for the ranked rewards? Thanks for commenting btw
: > [{quoted}](name=ElementAlix,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ap1PaJa7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-11T12:47:51.100+0000) > > But isn't a chat restriction more fitting then a suspension of 14 days. This would probably be the first game where I then was offensive, as I haven't had any restrictions in the past? No, because homophobic slurs are treated with a higher level of seriousness, compared to some "basic", common insults you see being used on a daily basis.
That just doesn't seem right, because people can get carried away sometimes. So being so harsh for one game. They basically disnhonored me from lvl 5 to 0. Which I can completly understand, but I haven't told anyone to kill himself or said anything worse at all. I just got tilted because it was 4v2 all the time. There have obviously been more people in the past that were way more abusive then me, who didn't reform during the game itself. I just don't think that 14 days should be considered immediatly instead of a chat restriction...
: Yes
Do they look into this just over 1 game, can you explain me why? Because it was 1 game, and 3 words. As if no one ever used an offensive word before. It could have been much worse, and I think you can understand that, no?
: > ElementAlix: %%%got ElementAlix: %%%gots ElementAlix: %%%gots Yes, definitely.
But isn't a chat restriction more fitting then a suspension of 14 days. This would probably be the first game where I then was offensive, as I haven't had any restrictions in the past?
GLurch (EUW)
: Your chat log contains a word used to degrade homosexual people. This is simply not tolerated by both the community and Riot, which is why it gets you an instant 14 day ban. If you want to argue that noone was insulted by it or noone took it serious, why were you reported then? Also, it doesn't matter what others said. This is about your behavior and the words you used, not what others did. What rules others broke doesn't justify you breaking the rules. Beyond that, in the future, you should definitely stop using these words or in fact, using any verbal abusive words at all. After the 14 day suspension, next to anything related to verbal toxicity can get you a permanent ban.
I am gay myself, so I get that it's not a word used to say to someone. But then again, doesn't a chat restriction seem to be more fitting in the first place. Basically because of the fact that I tried to be nice, meaning I was sorry for being offensive. I mean I could have gone on and kept being toxic... But I was basically nice further on the game.
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