Kurotsu (EUW)
: Must be the hate speech
But no one in my games have said anything racist, homophobic or anything like that. So it shouldn't trigger, right? They were very annoying for sure, but no trigger words
: Maybe it's because there's way more toxicity in the game atm. Every game i play there's someone trolling, calling me trash or feeding on purpose. Like there was this Lissandra 4-5 games ago. He played lissandra 2nd time ever but kept calling everyone trash (because if you play a champ 2 times you're already a pro, no need to train more ganes amirite?), cried all game, acted as negatively as humanly possible and was so toxic that my other team mate, a khazix who was flaming like hell seemed like a normal guy compared to liss. Funnily enough, i got instant feedback.
Don't think there is more toxicity tbh. Just the same old shit
Rioter Comments
: So fkn delusional... Now ik why every sensed ppl leaved the Board, it s fully filled by brainless stupid monkeys like that... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LET S SUMMARISE IT FOR THE PPL THAT CAN T UNDERSTAND IT CLEARLY : FIRST POINT SHACO : EARLY IS WEAK SHACO : ASSASSIN ASSASSIN : ARE NORMALLY GOOD EARLY WHY : BECAUSE SQUISHIES ARE SQUISHIES (WOAW TY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS) SO SHACO : BAD SECOND POINT : SHACO : EARLY IS WEAK JUNGLE : ALL IN EARLY SO SHACO : BAD THIRD POINT : SHACO : ONLY AUTOATTACKS TABI : COUNTER AUTOATTACKS BY AN EFFECTIVE 29% ARMOR REDUCTION COUNTED SO IF TABI SHACO : BAD 4TH POINT : MAGE : BUILD HP AND ZHONYA SHACO : CAN T BURST NON SQUISHY TARGETS SO SHACO : BAD 5TH POINT : MAGES : CC SHACO : WEAK AGAINST CC SO IF CC SHACO : BAD COULD GO TO 10 BUT I M TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRED OF EXPLAINING TO KIDS WHY SHACO SUCKS
> FIRST POINT > > SHACO : EARLY IS WEAK > SHACO : ASSASSIN > ASSASSIN : ARE NORMALLY GOOD EARLY > WHY : BECAUSE SQUISHIES ARE SQUISHIES (WOAW TY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS) > SO SHACO : BAD Assassin is a classification of playstyle. Rengar's winrate goes up as the game goes along. Is Rengar not an assassin? Shaco happens to fall into the same kind of playstyle. And if assassins can be said to normally be good early, so can ADC's be said to be weak early and good late. Yet we have marksmen like Lucian and Kalista who are strong early/mid but fall off late. If the roles were as rigerous as you want them to be they would not be ADC. This point is moot. > SECOND POINT : > > SHACO : EARLY IS WEAK > JUNGLE : ALL IN EARLY > SO SHACO : BAD so weak early game junglers are by definition bad? Gosh, if only you could play around vision, tracking enemy jungler, lane priority to get to late where you are good... But I guess those are not things that exist and the good players are all just making shit up. > THIRD POINT : > > SHACO : ONLY AUTOATTACKS > TABI : COUNTER AUTOATTACKS BY AN EFFECTIVE 29% ARMOR REDUCTION COUNTED > SO IF TABI > SHACO : BAD ADC's use auto attacks. Tabi still exist. So they are bad? Adaptive Helm exists in the game. So I guess Cassiopeia is bad? > 4TH POINT : > > MAGE : BUILD HP AND ZHONYA > SHACO : CAN T BURST NON SQUISHY TARGETS > SO SHACO : BAD Shaco build LW and Lethality. Shaco one-shots squishy targets. Not to mention, Shaco can also build Zhonya's and not die to the mage, giving him time for his Q to come back up and get out/ re-engage. Broken!!!!!!! > 5TH POINT : > > MAGES : CC > SHACO : WEAK AGAINST CC > SO IF CC > SHACO : BAD Every champion that does not build straight tank is weak against CC. Name me 1 champion that does not die if CC'ed and focused that does not build full tank. And Zhonya's is not tank. > COULD GO TO 10 BUT I M TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRED OF EXPLAINING TO KIDS WHY SHACO SUCKS What you do in your spare time is frankly none of my business. Would be nice if you could come with some real arguments to substantiate your claim, though.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Because there have been many times when someone said the n word or the k word, and after I reported them without writing a description, I haven't gotten any feedback. I actually haven't gotten any banned player feedback in around half a year, even though there were some people who really would've deserved it.
You need to check the right boxes. Rarely saw it, too, but then I ticked off Verbal abuse, inting and the bad words thing (forget the name). Now I have seen it twice in 2 weeks.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: So you were flaming other people in the report card with blacklisted words, and you didn't even get a chat restriction? Thank you, that also answers my question!
yeah, i was, to Riot. Just not in game, so all is good. ... Now that I think about it I may not have used blacklisted words per say, but definitely strongly worded that their IQ is below 50 and the world is not a better place with them in it.
Tandberg (EUW)
: Darius to simple to strong
I mostly agree, but it is kinda his thing to win the lane fights. And do you really want to fight him later being stronger?
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Can I get banned for saying 0 tolerance words in report cards?
I haven't been banned yet. Done it at least 10 times. Not for telling they said such a word, but because the reported players were the incarnation of those words.
ImNeo2K (EUNE)
: Well, i got an unfair ban, but even if the implement this and i match with toxic players, at least it will be a better experience for everybody :P
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=qN3EZBAG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-01T12:18:13.840+0000) > > so what you are saying is you voilunteer to go to Prisoner's Island so as to not burden everyone else with your toxicity? You, sir, deserve a medal for your sacrifice {{sticker:sg-ezreal}} (this was the closest thing they had to a guy saluting. I am saluting you) The problem is, that someone casn trash-talk you in 100 lines, if you answer him ONCE u end up with same punishment. That's pure bullshit.
that's simply not true. I have trash-talked the shit out of inters and trolls, no punishment in any way. Don't use homofobic slurs or wish death upon him or anyone he holds dear in any shape or form and you are good. If you, say, call him a male reproductive organ and that triggers a ban for you that is because you have been toxic in many games before.
ImNeo2K (EUNE)
: Please, make honor level matter in matchmaking
so what you are saying is you voilunteer to go to Prisoner's Island so as to not burden everyone else with your toxicity? You, sir, deserve a medal for your sacrifice {{sticker:sg-ezreal}} (this was the closest thing they had to a guy saluting. I am saluting you)
: Winrate shit : S T O P W I T H T H I S U S E L E S S ARGUMENT Shaco playrate is at a constent 2% and almost 3%, it s like I m saying that Ivern and Skarner are broken because of high winrate but they re at a ridiculous 1% playrate, what about broke ass Lee Sin getting arround 50% winrate ? OH 34% PLAYRATE HE S LITTERALY PLAYED IN ONE ON THREE GAME INTERRESTING THO, what a bout Kha'Zix having 51% winrate ? Oh 18,5%, Camille ? 14% playrate for a winrate that s finally under the 50% because her E just got nerfed, Xin ? Almost 51% winrate and 16% playrate, maybe Graves is an exception ? And it s not !!! 11% playrate for an almost 51% winrate, what s your point ? "Shaco 53% winrate he s browwwwwkenn gneeeeeee", don't let me laugh... About the Tabi : - Toplaner with Tabi : A classic, especially now that MR is useless in this aids game - Jungler with Tabi : A classic too, especially for the ones I ve mentionned previously - Midlaner with Tabi : Why the %%%% would an AP rush Tabi when he can just build flat pen that also gives HP + Zhonya and beat the shit out of you in a few seconds without being killed ? And in case you come and whine with "gnee but in early game" Shaco Q lvl 6 : 30 base damage, Shaco E : 55 base damage, WOAW HE WILL ONESHOT YOU AT THIS POINT HOLY LET S NERF IT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD - ADC with Tabi : A classic too, ADC are for most of them autoattack users, Shaco is an autoattack user and eventually the toplaner is an autoattack user, why would it be bad to sacrify 35% Attack speed for 20 armor and this broken passive ? - Support with Tabi : A classic too for almost the same reason as ADC. Conclusion : Everybody can either build Tabi to %%%% Shaco or build another way to destroy him in seconds "There are ways to play against" the red buff instagank abusers like "ward your river". Real shit bro. You know that if they re spotted when they try to gank the lane then they will just go straight blue buff and instagank the other lane right ? And that by this way he just can't be seen because he will dash from fog of war and just dive ? Liked this "counterplay" tho XDDD By the way go tell this to ChaseShaco, actual Challenger and probably one of if not the best Shaco of the world, i think he will just laugh, but like loudly laugh. "This champion is not fair to play against" : Here i have to agree but seriously do you thing it s simply fun to play ? Old Shaco was a monster lvl 2 invade jungler that used to play with enemy's jungler mind until he looses it but you had to master the champion to know how to bamboozle the enemy jungler and this was goddamn funny to play and before he has the Pinkward gameplay with boxes that just died with the rework, what is it now ? A fkn creep afk farm jungle with disgusting oneshot from nowhere at late game for every single person that doesn't build Tabi, the mage build or tank, whitch means "I send a big go %%%% yourself to whoever wanna have fun in this game" About the "gneee Shaco will put a box when I m in Zhonya gneeeeeee" ok : 1) Shaco will loose his Draktarr proc and by the same way the Draktarr proc of his clone and his Q damage and by this way will loose damage on his E=> He won't be able to kill you ==> Why would he stays ? Pure int from my POV. 2) What prevent you from using red trinket and straight Zhonya ? Nothing right ? And you knowthat red trinket unactivate boxes right ? Ok so you basically have free escape right ? THEN WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ??????
> Winrate shit : S T O P W I T H T H I S U S E L E S S ARGUMENT Shaco playrate is at a constent 2% and almost 3%, it s like I m saying that Ivern and Skarner are broken because of high winrate but they re at a ridiculous 1% playrate, what about broke ass Lee Sin getting arround 50% winrate ? OH 34% PLAYRATE HE S LITTERALY PLAYED IN ONE ON THREE GAME INTERRESTING THO, what a bout Kha'Zix having 51% winrate ? Oh 18,5%, Camille ? 14% playrate for a winrate that s finally under the 50% because her E just got nerfed, Xin ? Almost 51% winrate and 16% playrate, maybe Graves is an exception ? And it s not !!! 11% playrate for an almost 51% winrate, what s your point ? "Shaco 53% winrate he s browwwwwkenn gneeeeeee", don't let me laugh... Classic distraction. I have never said nothing else needs nerfs. What you are arguing is that I say Shaco nerf = balanced game. I have never said any such thing. You hit the nail on the head though: > "This champion is not fair to play against" : Here i have to agree but seriously do you thing it s simply fun to play ? By your admission he is not fun to play as (for a good chunk of the game anyways) or against. Combine that with a good winrate to make players actually want to sit through it and that is just bad game design. At least make him fun to play. Or rework him in a meaningful way. > About the Tabi I may not have made it clear enough, but my grievance was with the red smite, not just the tabi. Tabi has saved me once or twice, when the Shaco was stupid enough to go on me with three people woth CC around, but never if he came at me 1v1. Now your argument is that I should never be in a position to be caught out. That is true, but also what makes Shaco a shit campion to play against. You literally can't do shit if he is not straight behind and not showing on the map. Doesn't matter if you need to push the wave or set up ward at Baron or something. Tough shit, you will die to the invisible joker coming out of nowhere. > 1) Shaco will loose his Draktarr proc and by the same way the Draktarr proc of his clone and his Q damage and by this way will loose damage on his E=> He won't be able to kill you ==> Why would he stays ? Pure int from my POV. You have 5 secs to proc Draktarr after stealth. How bad of a Shaco are you if you do not AA out of stealth for that damage? Also Zhonya's is 2.5 secs, how do you not proc it in 2.5 secs after that? > 2) What prevent you from using red trinket and straight Zhonya ? Nothing right ? And you knowthat red trinket unactivate boxes right ? Ok so you basically have free escape right ? THEN WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ?????? I did not know red trinket disables boxes. Now I do. What stops me from rushing it is getting wards up to catch roams, both on me and for my botlane. Zhonya's is mana issues. GL counterpushing a Lux or Malz who builds mana, or assassins, who has no mana or mana issues for the most part. Which part of the lane do you gank me? 2 steps from tower? your E slows me and you position yourself favorably to run me down. How is that a free escape? Aside form flash ofc, then you regank, then what? Not to mention Ignite.
Yraco (EUW)
: You're taking my point completely out of context here. Riot want to make every ability in the game perfectly balanced so that no champion is more or less viable than another except when you look at specific situations involving aspects of the game like synergies and counters, that's the ultimate dream of balancing. The point I was trying to make was that if 20% is OP then you can very easily make it 5%, OK now it's too weak so it might be moved to 10% and be fine, the duration is the same where it might be too strong or weak so you move the numbers slightly until it works out. I said that you have to take champion ideas as abilities more than numbers because if we assume these champions are actually added into the game they will become more balanced over a period of time when compared against the original numbers.
I don't think that's the case, but that is another topic. But your general logic is nothing is op because over time numbers can be adjusted?
Yraco (EUW)
: Yes but it doesn't last forever and like I said, it wouldn't necessarily be stronger than current Shen W because autos actually do something. Numbers can also be messed with if 20% is too high which is why you can't necessarily look at these champion proposals and say "omg that scales so hard" or "wow that blocks too much damage".
Neither does Shen W. And I just think overall 20% dr is stronger in more situations than blocking AAs. But if we are not going by his suggestion, then sure, it is not at all op, since it reduces 5% damage, or it is super op, because it blocks 80% damage. I like 80% better, so now it is stronger than Shen W, huzzah! Now we're at it, why not give Shen W the same treatment and pretend in our comparisson its duration can be anywhere between 0,1 sec and 10 minues? That ought to be fun
: Just a quick Quality of Life suggestion coming through :)
: > E: OP Version of Shen W Idc how much larger the AoE would be Shen's W it's the more OP of the two even if that other spell would be 20% of all sources which it's probably the case.
So a full team red smite is not op?
Lari (EUNE)
: How is the same? because you sound like i copy paste shens abilities. Shen is not the only champ able to dash and he does not have stun, his e does not shield ( i thought of the Solari change that never came live), shen does not blind the enemy, and shen does not merge with an ally he teleports there
it is not 100% the same, but: Q: Dashes on enemy and stuns. Shen E: Dashes enemy and taunts. Both are hard CC. You stand there and can't use abilities or move or anything. Similar. E: Makes a zone that reduces damage by 20%. Shen W makes a zone that negates Auto Attacks. Both characters reduce damage one way or another, I personally think 20% of all damage reduced is more op, but that is debateable. R: Gives survivability in a tight spot with your champion right on top of the other. You then sacrifice all your abilities and movement for some extra damage to your adc. Shen R: Survivability and his abilites to help. This is the same ability at the core, just with a weird twist to Shen R.
Lari (EUNE)
: But there will not be 2 Shens, Hector has 0 damaging spells he is 100% support
So if Riot made a champion with basically the same kit as Pantheon, but with no damage, it would be a different champion?
: On a note though: imo last hitting is too hard currently. It's even a pain in the ass as ADC.
that we agree on. That minion targeting is bullocks. I have lost so much CS from the Cannon changing target on the 2nd to last hit that would kill my minion or what feels like minions critting.
Lari (EUNE)
: Yeah but the lore will be different. Akali is a rogue assassin. What if Hector is the pupil who admired Shen the most, i think with the right lore the "similarities" will be justified.
sure, they could be justified. But from a gameplay perspective, why have 2 Shens when you could have 2 different champions? Also, if we look at lore, look at Master Yi and Wukong. Wukong literally learned his fighting from watching Master Yi, no one else. How are they similar in their playstyle?
: OK - can be that he has no time to ping then because he's busy fighting. What you can also do, in case you have problems with constantly looking at the map, is getting a sense of where the enemy can potentially pop up on the map. Basically, jungle was last seen bot, trying to gank, so most likely he'll go top next - this also tells you to drop a ward to cover mid lane's top access. Or, when bot is longer gone than just them going B, they might as well try to gank you in mid lane. Especially early on, depending on the jungle matchup, pay more attention to counterjungling as they happen most likely then. Either way - you need to watch the map every now and then to get an idea on where the enemy is right now and where he may go next. With some training you get a feeling for it and it's not that stressful anymore. Also saves you from a lot of ganks.
Yes, that is probably why. Not the point of my post though. I am working on all the things you list, but want to get better mecahnically most of all, hence why I phrased my post as I did.
: They don't ping because they are not too good to fight and ping in the same time. I ping before I start the fight to let my teammate have time to come to help me. If they don't ping then is the jg fault, but you still need to be with an eye on the map.
My junglers don't. At least not the ones that ? ping me after they die. And yes, I obviously need to keep my eyes on the map 90% of he game. This thread has veered away from the original post.
: Happen to me a lot of times when I fight with enemy jungler in the river, I almost kill him and the enemy mid/top come with no problem and kill me while my mid/top stay and chill farm. I understand that sometimes you don't look at your map, but if you see some pings in the river, on you and your enemy laner walk to that pings and you still didnt' move then you are not for a higher division that Silver II-I. The river vision is very good in early because the enemy jungler can't gank you so easy. -_- You just need to take a minion, walk back to the tower and look at the map, go back to the wave and get another minion, walk again to the tower and look at the map. You can do this all time and you will keep get better at this thing until you will farm and look at the map in the same time. I don't play so much mid, but I play top and when my basic is ready to kill the minion I look fast at the map and after at my opponent.
The problem with what you describe is the pings. No pings come out. Only the ? After my dear jungler died. And honestly, half the time I am farming under turret. And he dies 1v1.
: Well, if the issue is that you miss out on your jungle getting invaded, it's not too much that you focus on farm, it's more that you ignore pings.
The only pings I get are the ? pings AFTER my jungler died. If he pings, I move. Only happens 1/10 times or so, sadly.
: It's not the only way. You just have to get good at recognizing when you can farm with basic attacks and when you can't. It usually gets a bit easier after you land a few q's on the enemy when he goes for cs so he isn't healthy enough to pick a fight. The only part of the game where you oom while doing that is early game when you haven't recalled at all yet. That's basically the only point of the game where you can't spam the q endlessly. After you get {{item:3070}} or {{item:3802}} you aren't going to oom anymore. That's about 4-ish waves so don't miss the cs. In my experience though, you really do not oom unless you also use abilities other than your q. Even without ear or lost chapter.
I agree with your first point. Though I have been in alne many times, farming with Q because of some assassin or other in lane, and I run oom so very fast. Problem is the wave doesn't hard push to me in those situations, so I either Q for 1 minion, pushing the wave a bit in the process, or I lose so much of my wave before it finally hits tower. So by that time I have less than half my mana left
Yraco (EUW)
: I agree with you except for the "OP" part about that E. It's basically just a different version of Shen W, trades the option for completely negating auto attacks (plus some abilities) and gains some damage reduction for abilities.
Look at red smite. Or just PD. That damage reduction is significant. Now, imagine that for an entire team in a team fight. gg.
Lari (EUNE)
: He is Shen's pupil that is why they should have some similarities right?
Akali is Shen's pupil (or was). How similar is she to him?
Lari (EUNE)
: Ninja support idea
so you basically want to rework Shen in your own image? That is what this is Q: basically Shen E E: OP Version of Shen W R: Strange version of Shen R
: It depends on what champion you play. When you are playing ziggs, you aren't that easy to gank thanks to your w and e. Early jungle clear is very predictable and you should know the time when the enemy jungler might gank your lane and you can place wards. If he makes you to back off, then you back off and continue when he leaves. Ziggs isn't really even supposed to harass ziggs that much because he doesn't need to. He can already force him to stay mid with his wave clear. The most important thing to do against assassins is prevent roams and avoid feeding him. If he roams despite your push, you destroy the tower. That's the good part about ziggs. He can instantly get rid of the enemy tower if the enemy leaves. You can farm safely by throwing the q from it's max range with maximum bounces. No one can zone ziggs away from farm. You can easily hit your q on the enemy when they go for last hits. It's almost a guaranteed hit. When you push the enemy under tower, throw your minefield on your minions. That way the enemy has to take damage if they want the cs (if they are melee).
sounds reasonable. Maybe you can then asnwer me this: I have tried the Q farm thing. If that is legit the only way I farm I run oom in no time. When is it worth and when isn't it?
Arrcros (EUNE)
: try without logging in and tell me if u got rewards cheers
: concqueror
no clue then
Arrcros (EUNE)
: How to complete watch and earn missions
: Fiora q bug
If she went with the grasp/Ravenous/taste of blood + proced vitals she will heal a lot.
: I find when team mates complain about you not coming to the rescue 99.9% of the time its because they dont want to concede/leave something weather a camp or scuttle and fight over it knowing they wont win and proceed to spam ?. People gotta accept you cant contest everything and have it all.
Evidence (EUNE)
: {{sticker:garen-swing}}
: Your key mistake is that you try to let the wave push to you. You are supposed to push him under the tower and harass him when he goes for cs. He either takes the cs and poke or he misses the cs. When you get the minions under his turret, his wave will then push to you and then you can freeze. You have to kill the ranged minions so they wont hit you when you harass him with aa. When you aa him, your wave will automatically push towards him because of how minion aggro works.
fair enough. IF I do that his jungle comes (I have legit never not been camped when against a Fizz), I have to back off, then what? Not to mention, what then when he Qs onto me when I AA him and all in me? 3-4 minions mean nothing compared to a kill
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Not only there s also ChaseShaco that complains about redbuff instagank meta but it s true, I watch Hashinshin
I agree some things in the jungle and/or meta may favor other champions more than Shaco. Just looked it up, and u.gg, op.gg and champion.gg all have Shaco at 52.5-53.5% winrate in plat+. And that is a valid cut-off, since Riot has stated they balance the game for plat+ save for a few exceptions like Master Yi, who could use buffs for high elo, but would then be 70% winrate in low elo. So in spite of some things being unfavorable for Shaco he still has a very high winrate. Why should he be allowed this winrate, while others are left in the dust? now: > Learn building tabi red trinket and eventually red smite as a jungler %%%%%% then we can talk about Shaco, ok ??? So jungler doesn't auto-die. Good, now only 4 people left with no opportunity to get free 20% damage reduction he can one-shot. > Btw before complaining about Shaco look at the aids gank meta in jungle, you know when Lee Sin, Camille or Xin just take red buff and gank non stop for 5 min then get fed and just beat the sh*t out of every other jungler with no counterplay possible. And look at actual Kha'Zix having like 3 times the Shaco pickrate for only 1 fkn % less winrate ok ??? People these days, won't think at least one fkn millisecond... the good ol' Hashinshin. "I like this champion. This champion is very good right now. It is not fun to play against it. So now LOOK AT ALL THIS OTHER TOTALLY UNRELATED SHIT! OVER HERE, PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT MY CHAMPION, LOOK OVER HERE!!" Say you play vs a gank-heavy jungler. There are ways to play around it, like warding your river bush and if you positioned with the gank in mind you can get away with your life. Shaco? Find an opportunity to go into his (at this point, unwarded) jungle and ward his camps. You have 1-2 wards and 6 camps + scuttle. better choose the right one! Why does Kha winrate matter when Shaco's apparently doesn't? > And also before complaining make sure that the champion you main doesn t belong to an aids class whitch is mage, you can just build a fkn Zhonya and beat the sh*it out of every AD assassin of the game, your stuff is the most broken and stupid stuff ever made actually and your whole class didn't get nerfed since... OW at least Season 5 nice one lmfao what are you on about ?????? Good ol' Hashinshin strikes again! Sure, rush Zhonya's, it's not like it's an item with no mana, that mages really need in lane. Now, Shaco shows in your lane, you make yourself stuck for 2.5 seconds. Is Shaco gonna stay, place a box and position for a backstab, or is he gonna flee with his tail between his legs, because OMG the guy turned into a gold statue! Witchcraft!
íGengar (EUW)
: No idea who you have been playing with but as soon as I see a scale champ I put more emphasis on it, Nasus for example I gravitate towards just because I know how that can turn out if left unchecked.
that is my point. I would do the same if I were in a ny way a competent jungler. Sadly, though, as it stands I can barely keep track of my own camps.
Kalviras (EUW)
: If they are under your tower you are probably horribly losing the lane and the first rule of jungling is NEVER gank a losing lane as you'll just end up feeding them more kills, that goes doubly so for scaling champions as they scale based on levels and items which they have more of if they are winning the lane easily so ganking it means you'll just help them scale more.
reasonable answer. But when we are both at more or less full health before first back and you are an early ganker who can more or less kill him 1v1?
Pεanut (EUW)
: Junglers in your elo play for the sake of playing. They don't really think about what they are doing, they just do it. For example, they would clear their jungle and then an opportunity arises to gank bot lane right when they are there. Autopilot mode OP.
Sadly I guess you are right. But why even jungle when you don't really wanna play the role?
: Learn building tabi red trinket and eventually red smite as a jungler %%%%%% then we can talk about Shaco, ok ??? Btw before complaining about Shaco look at the aids gank meta in jungle, you know when Lee Sin, Camille or Xin just take red buff and gank non stop for 5 min then get fed and just beat the sh*t out of every other jungler with no counterplay possible. And look at actual Kha'Zix having like 3 times the Shaco pickrate for only 1 fkn % less winrate ok ??? People these days, won't think at least one fkn millisecond... And also before complaining make sure that the champion you main doesn t belong to an aids class whitch is mage, you can just build a fkn Zhonya and beat the sh*it out of every AD assassin of the game, your stuff is the most broken and stupid stuff ever made actually and your whole class didn't get nerfed since... OW at least Season 5 nice one lmfao what are you on about ??????
Rioter Comments
: 0 tolerance words?
Someone made a yt video about how to get banned in LoL or something like that, and he showed a list of 300 odd words of stuff you should not say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnfxGrPRYr8
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:01:57.100+0000) > > I'm really not. His argument is the classic "Assassins can't beat mages in any circumstance". I even admit I don't play perfectly in point 1, which is obvious since I am gold not challenger. But I will check out the video. Hope the video helps. Dopa is a legend and watching his wave control is a thing of beauty.
It helps vs a relatively immobile in lane assassin as ~~TF~~ Talon with a jungler. I would love to see the same thing with a Zed or Fizz who can be on you from further away. And without jungle pressure, because hey, who gets that in Gold?
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:08:13.554+0000) > > 1) as Ziggs my main CC and disengage is the same thing. And no, I cannot throw it perfectly yet. > 2) So die to his no-ult all in? Sure > 3) Hardly. Maybe 1 if I am lucky. I feel like you are just making excuses at this point, so here, watch this video and it should give you an idea of how to play safely whilst still making an impact on the lane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NE5EcbpOpg Granted it's a different match up of TF vs Talon but the principle is the same. TF needs to control the lane to stop Talon from roaming to the side lanes whilst also staying safe from ganks.
I'm really not. His argument is the classic "Assassins can't beat mages in any circumstance". I even admit I don't play perfectly in point 1, which is obvious since I am gold not challenger. But I will check out the video.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: if he dodges, then there are 3 options: 1) You still have your main disengage spell 2) You were foolish enough to throw your cc first 3) You denied him cs, besides as soon as you pressed on your skillshot you can start issuing with your mouse a move command backwards, thus denying the enemy ability to jump on you.
1) as Ziggs my main CC and disengage is the same thing. And no, I cannot throw it perfectly yet. 2) So die to his no-ult all in? Sure 3) Hardly. Maybe 1 if I am lucky.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: wait i thought you said you play mages. are you vayne or something? cause last i checked ebery mage that doesnt outrange an assasins dash, stuns an assasin.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: actually pore6 is important. an assasin who goes even or is behind cant do anything. and an assasin who is behind...well...he is just nobody, even a behind adc does more
pre-6 is un-important for this discussion since assassins rarely roam pre-6. In the same way late game is unimportant sice we are talking lane phase. And you tell that to the enemy 0/4 Fizz that ends up carrying with a 15/7 score. Hurray for low elo!
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