> None of what I said condones bad behaviour. The opposite really. So by not acting on the bad behaviour of the troll it learns to not do that again is what you are saying? It is not a toddler, ignoring does nothing, it has to learn somehow. > What you need to realise is that if one member of your team is doing that to you, why does it make it fair for you to inflict the same fate upon the other 3 members of your team that had nothing to do with it? None of what I said suggested it was fair. > You're now becoming the problem that you're complaining about. There's quite a level of hypocrisy here. People leaving and people trolling is a totally different set of problems. One is annoying, but most players will surrender a 4v5 most of the time, so you are not stuck in it as long. Not to mention the lack of ongoing irritation that follows being in a game with a troll. Would rather spend those next 15-20 minutes doing something else. > The correct response would be to mute that player, continue doing your best, and report them post game. As I said, it is not the raging. They can rage however much they want as long as they don't disrupt the game, whoch they do when they take my farm. Actively. Reporting them post game does not stop me from wasting the time in the game and on my level odds are I will not play with the same dude again anytime soon, so how does that solve my problem again? > If you keep playing, you're not "wasting your time". Not only is the game not over until the nexus falls (seriously, I've won games when someone decides they want to intentionally feed and go 0/20. You can recover as a team), but every moment you're in game, you have an oppurtunity to hone your skills, get better at landing that skill shot, improve your rotations - you get the drift here. Whenever I lose lane hard or play bad or %%%% up or I see my mid or jungler go 0/5 in 15 minutes that is exactly the things I do. But how do I use skillshots that are not global, when I am so far behind on gold and exp that I am literally dead if I can see the enemy on my screen? That is what I define as a waste of time, since I mostly play the game to have fun. Sure, it is fun to win and sure it is fun to see myself progress, but when I win a game, that has just been annoying to play the last 20 minutes it is just "meh" at best. > When you AFK that's the only time you're wasting your time. Because not only do you gain nothing positive from it, you also end up breaking the rules, which could end up in yourself getting punished as well. I get a snack or something to drink or watch a funny video to get my mood back up. You call that nothing? > Again, I come back to my point of: Remember - if you AFK, you're ruining the game for everyone else. It doesn't matter to the person who is trolling - when you afk, they win. If you continue playing, your fellow team mates and community will appreciate it, and you win out over the troll who will get punished if it's regular behaviour. I am not playing against them, so there is no winning. Also, how is it not a win for them if they do what they can to be %%%%s but still succeed? But yeah, all in all I fell a little bad for leaving the game, but in my own experience the game does not get better if the player in my position stays. I am just one of many leavers, they won't even think twice about who I really am, so I am not doing it to them personally. Besides, if I break the rules I just get reported post game and if it's regular behaviour I get punished, right? All good. > (Note: apologies for the delayed response. My computer is not available so on here sporadically D:). Eh, totally fine. Gave me some time to not dwelve on this.

so what you are saying is that you can identify more mistakes in your team mates than in yourself. This just means you are not aware of the mistakes you make. I agree an obvious thing when you play with friends is the communication, which could mean you follow some some calls they make, which are better since they are higher ranked, whether you realize it or not. Also the implicit thing that you trust them more, so when they fx make a baron call you follow and it works, and maybe you don't trust your team mates in solo Q, so when someone makes that same call you don't follow because it seems like a bad idea to our silver mindset. So maybe really try to notice what calls your friends make that you or others don't in your elo?

Actually, you are right. Never thought of it as the possessive characteristic it is. Gonna use that from now on. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}

so what you are suggesting is that I accept and endorse that my support in a normal games does stupid shit, gets caught out and dies before minute 4, flames me for not healing him in a situation that he would not have survived anyways, and afterwards said support proceeds to actively take farm from me, preventing me from ever getting back into the game? I don't mind the guy being too aggressive, nor that he dies, or that he rages in the moment. But when he actively tried to deny me from enjoying the game I have queued for I should just smile and waste the time? Awesome stuff.

Sounds good {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}

sounds good {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}

One thing you need to realize is that you suck. Your teammates suck, yeah, but you do, too. you see them make a bad play and think " boy that's stupid, I would never do that", but you do 1000 other things that one game that would get you killed or otherwise singlehandedly lose your team the game if you were against any kind of competent player(s). So any time you lose, find out why (did the enemy team take baron for free, run it down mid and killed the Nexus?) then think about what Y O U can do to not make that happen again. Yeah, sometimes it is the jungler who gets caught out and the enemy then just takes the baron knowing they have the smite and 5v4, but then how do you make sure next time your jungler does not die when Baron is up for the taking? Like wards, looking for picks yourself, scuttle, pushing lanes etc. No matter how bad your teammates are you are just as bad since you would not be matched with and lose to the people you do otherwise

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Hey, appreciate your response. 2 things though: 1. I would need a proc to kill him, yes, but I just used both Q and E, not sure my passive was up, I suspect not. So even if I could flash in range, which I am not sure of, I had no way of killing him, so saving my flash there was definitely right. 2. this I am very much in doubt about. It is the usual thing, yes, but before i put some points into Q I basically have no waveclear, so pushing it all the way from my tower to his seems very unlikely, but I am not totally sure. Though you may be right, even if he got back to lane by the time my minions hit his tower, I should have time to get back before he pushed it back. Assuming he did not freeze on me. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}

ha, thanks, but that is only because I ahve played few games. Whenever I go over 10 games on a champ I start feeding :P

huh. I don't ever think you will be informed in any way, but I am now certain a conspiracy is behind it all!

well, TO BE FAIR, why were you not playing Kayle and using exp cheat to get level 6 after first buff, so you can head straight top and save your laner? Seems like your fault to me. Also, it is just rude to take kills from people that want them a screen away! Have you no manners?!?!?

I genuinely believe Riot is simply running experiments on random (selected...?) players and cross reference the data with their report system. Twice in a row my rankeds have been like this: I play average, but all in all get carried to my promos for Silver II. Lose promos with 1 win and 2 losses. Few games later I am in promos again, win them. Now, the next 6 (!) games EVERY ONE OF MY TEAM MATES ARE FEEDING. Not like "well, midlane gave Zed a kill and he roamed", nope, every lane single handedly fed their opponent and lost their lane. hard. 6 games in a row. So I demoted to Silver III again. Again, all this happened twice in a row, _almost_ as if it was scripted by someone... somewhere... And I'm not saying I deserved to win any of those 6 games, but I am saying there is an all too clear pattern emerging.

We need nothing that encourages more people to play him. Case closed.

This is interesting. How long does the ping thingy last for?

thanks for the tips, the Randiuns thing is useful, and the invading. Though the big problem is that he can have no interaction with me whatsoever, and when mid game comes he is just fed enough to one-shot me and get away before team kill him. By this point I barely have my 2 items for damage, building Randuins seems sketchy. Not to mention the lack of team work and awarenss of invis champs etc. here in Silver. The "buy a littel bit of armor" thing, though... Last game I ws Xayah with 124 armor, he opened on em and did 75% of my health in a second... Didn't die directly, but no way to survive his team with range after that. The infuriating thing about him is that he may be weaker than Kha in 1v1, but if he does not show on the opposite side of the map or tries to kill someone else I am Shröedingers ADC until he shows.

huh. In a twisted way that might actually work! {{sticker:sg-lulu}}

in a ranked game, when you are Silver, hence you suck and will definitely lose to a conventional botlane, then you troll. Have you practiced it extensively in normals, finding succes, and then going in? Sure, but they hadn't. Checked op.gg

Junglers not ganking top because I asked them nicely.

No. just No

So never ever get back line cs?

so why does she move into their face (100 units or so) when the ability has 600 range?

what defensive items do I buy? Considering she not only does magic damage and I need mana to be able to stay in lane, unlike her (boy, giving an assassin endless sustain was a great idea). And staying under tower never worked for me. Yes, I don't die, but she takes tower from sheer minion pressure, and she outfarms me since I have to farm under tower. I know how to farm full health minions under it, but between her slow-ish push and my own minions coming in the meantime many minions just die form 1 tower shot before I can do enough damage myself. And just how does her going bot getting a double kill, instead of a single one on me, make it better? Seriously, no one in my elo looks at the map or care about pings, so they don't ever back off, and I have yet to see a support stopping an assassin from killing our ADC by more than sheer luck. Oh, and ofc it is my fault that I don't just burst her out of lane every time, not theirs for being asshats

I seriously have a hard time seeing this working. So I never ever use my Q to farm, meaning I am always in range for her to dash on me when I want to farm. And then I would have to rely on my combo doing more damage than hers, also given her kit does more damage than mine early. And if I ever use Q to farm, she goes on me before I can shield myself, then I ult and then what?

at what point does, say, Orianna nuke Akali, before she ults to you and kills you? Don't see you lading your own ult, ever

Thing is this doesn't work. Not in my elo anyways. If Nasus gets to free stack he gets to kill my team, since they are stupid enough to a) 1v1 him, and b) are not good enought to get and push an actual lead in other lanes, rendering his split push useless.

This is a very comprehensive, good and useful answer. Thanks {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} About the ban thing, I alwasy ban Kayn these days since he sucks most of the time on my team, and when he is on the enemy team he mor eoften than not doesn't gank my lane, but is 9/3 by 15 minutes and one-shots whoever he wants and escapes with ult and E every time... So yeah.

> If you are single go and %%%% ur self or find other low lifes to play it with you. But... I just can't seem to find anyone who wants me {{sticker:sg-janna}}

fair enough

well, that seems like a hassle {{sticker:sg-zephyr}} . Why not climb while you do it?