: One-shotting is fun. Veigar is just more fun to do it with than an assassin. And yes, mages do have waveclear, but again that has to match the assassin's, and if I am not under tower, Zed ults me as soon as I go to clear the wave. Now I have to deal with that shit. And no, it's not every champion. Zed uses REQ AA ignite, and you are dead. Unless I make a larger effort to outplay him there than he puts into killing me. GL killing anyone from 100-0 with Veigar with one 1200 gold item you are forced to rush, despite your mana needs contrary to Zed's energy. Not to mention, his W is almost impossible to land if he does not stun you, which is easy to avoid 1v1. Same with Ori, just not happening. And it's what assassins are meant to do, but why is that an argument for the fun of it? Breaking your arm is meant to hurt, but that does not make breaking your arm fun. Quite the contrary actually. I have never stated an assassin would not have to blow a summoner. More often than not it is ignite. After the first kill you are ahead and don't need summs anymore. And say I exhaust Zed, what mage can literally exhaust and kill zed in the 0,5 seconds he is behind you before he escapes with his R again? edit: Oh, and this thing annoys me... People say "just exhaust him". Oh yes, quite impossible when your ult is up 1-2 times before I get exhaust off cd again. Not like he is gonna kill me then, except for when I, again, hug the bloody turret and have no interaction in lane.
yeah, pressing REQDR is a so much better one-shot. If me one-shotting you with just R (Which never happens, even Veigar needs at least QR if he is very, very fed ultra late) wins the game, then that is good for me.
: One-shotting is fun. Veigar is just more fun to do it with than an assassin. And yes, mages do have waveclear, but again that has to match the assassin's, and if I am not under tower, Zed ults me as soon as I go to clear the wave. Now I have to deal with that shit. And no, it's not every champion. Zed uses REQ AA ignite, and you are dead. Unless I make a larger effort to outplay him there than he puts into killing me. GL killing anyone from 100-0 with Veigar with one 1200 gold item you are forced to rush, despite your mana needs contrary to Zed's energy. Not to mention, his W is almost impossible to land if he does not stun you, which is easy to avoid 1v1. Same with Ori, just not happening. And it's what assassins are meant to do, but why is that an argument for the fun of it? Breaking your arm is meant to hurt, but that does not make breaking your arm fun. Quite the contrary actually. I have never stated an assassin would not have to blow a summoner. More often than not it is ignite. After the first kill you are ahead and don't need summs anymore. And say I exhaust Zed, what mage can literally exhaust and kill zed in the 0,5 seconds he is behind you before he escapes with his R again? edit: Oh, and this thing annoys me... People say "just exhaust him". Oh yes, quite impossible when your ult is up 1-2 times before I get exhaust off cd again. Not like he is gonna kill me then, except for when I, again, hug the bloody turret and have no interaction in lane.
I am not breaking my arm, no, and I prefer not to. In the same way I prefer not to play with assassins in this game. Though assassins exist here, sadly. That weakness you speak of as Zed is me being in lane. That is what I don't like. Assassins by design snowball too easily in my opinion for the game to be fun with them in it, and if you die even once you can't do shit. You can hope not to die, that's it. If he is MIA, you can sit in fountain until he shows on the map. That is not fun. You want to break the other player, but find it disgusting to one-shot someone? It is more disgusting to ruin a whole game for someone, rather than being killed by the guy you did not keep down... At least then you had a fun first part of the game.
ISIRileyI (EUW)
: yes the answer is when Yasuo plays on enemy team he fcks you :c that's why you suggest swain
Ah, I see, you already are a Yasuo main. Hoped to steer you away from the path, but you have already been lost. Shame.
: Veigar is fun... Press R and you're dead. Zed has waveclear? Yeah with W. Mages have a much better waveclear. And for the full HP thing, That's EVERY champion, if you expose a weakness before a fight, of course the assassin is going to jump on you, again that's what thery're meant to do. And for your B) If an assassin kills you in lane without himself blowing a summoner you're playing it wrong, exhaust has no counterplay, he jumps on you, exhaust and you kill him.
One-shotting is fun. Veigar is just more fun to do it with than an assassin. And yes, mages do have waveclear, but again that has to match the assassin's, and if I am not under tower, Zed ults me as soon as I go to clear the wave. Now I have to deal with that shit. And no, it's not every champion. Zed uses REQ AA ignite, and you are dead. Unless I make a larger effort to outplay him there than he puts into killing me. GL killing anyone from 100-0 with Veigar with one 1200 gold item you are forced to rush, despite your mana needs contrary to Zed's energy. Not to mention, his W is almost impossible to land if he does not stun you, which is easy to avoid 1v1. Same with Ori, just not happening. And it's what assassins are meant to do, but why is that an argument for the fun of it? Breaking your arm is meant to hurt, but that does not make breaking your arm fun. Quite the contrary actually. I have never stated an assassin would not have to blow a summoner. More often than not it is ignite. After the first kill you are ahead and don't need summs anymore. And say I exhaust Zed, what mage can literally exhaust and kill zed in the 0,5 seconds he is behind you before he escapes with his R again? edit: Oh, and this thing annoys me... People say "just exhaust him". Oh yes, quite impossible when your ult is up 1-2 times before I get exhaust off cd again. Not like he is gonna kill me then, except for when I, again, hug the bloody turret and have no interaction in lane.
: Uninteractive and unfun? No offense but I disagree completely, if mages want to kill you they still can and in complete safety, you think Annie is fun? Veigar? Akali? Please. You can say the same thing about tanks, they CC you and do a ton of damage, if you have something like a Leona support, Zed is gonna have a hard time getting to you.
When you can only be in lane if A) you are full health and B) you have Exhaust/Barrier/Zhonya's up is not my idea of fun. As a mage I have to use my cooldowns to counter your waveclear, so I can't just throw them at you willy nilly. When my cd's are down, an assassin just goes in and kills me. So yeah, I can kill them, but they have the upper hand. Veigar is fun for me, yes, Annie not so much. But do you count Akali as a mage? lol. Tanks suck very much as well, just not the topic of your thread. and if I don't have a support that reacts fast enough, I am dead as adc, no matter which one. Good stuff.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Then what am I?{{champion:76}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:99}} {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
ISIRileyI (EUW)
: you missed the point you didn't said why you fav swain on yasuo !
Have you played League? If yes you know the answer
ISIRileyI (EUW)
: really ? that's all what you will say ? TURD !!
: Mechanically wise I'm not the best either I got Gold last season but now I'm climbing back unfortunately... I play mid and ADC also. Again, that's what assassins do, they try and get in your face and kill you to start a snowball and end the game early. And late you just 2 shot him as an ADC so yest they do fall off late. In lane phase you're describing a best case scenario for the assassin, worst case is he roams and gets nothing and is behind in lane, for the adc you have a supp that blocks him completely, and for your fight if you don't have a zhonya as Ori there is something wrong there. But that's not what I'm on about, I'm talking about the fact that mages can (and will) do the exact same thing but constantly. If you think Zed is so horrible wait till you meet a decent Ryze.
Again, what assassins do make the game uninteractive and unfun, simply because you can't play. No matter what items counter them, no matter what you can do later, no matter that they get 2-shot by the ADC (which, in my opinion, is on the assassin player, if he is at max range the the adc with no dashes up), the fact is, before you outscale them it is not that they are stronger than you, it is that if you misplay, you are dead. Even if you get ganked early, assassin guy goes on you, boom, you are dead. jungler may get the kill, but the snowball is going, slowing down the game for you even further. And a lot of champions, assassins or not, fall off late, to 2-shot an assassin, which is needed if you don't have a team peeling for you,you need at least 4 items. IE with 2 AS+crit items just don't do enough damage fast enough. Of course there is a worst case for assassins. Same as with mages. Trying to make a play by roaming is just more fun than hugging the tower. I can stay out of Ryze's range a lot easier than Zed's.
ISIRileyI (EUW)
: OP ? Really ? THE The eternal battle between SWAIN & YASUO !!
Objectively you are a turd if you go with Yasuo {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: New liandry's
You should definitely try it. Just not in a ranked game before you know if it works as intended
: You have Zhonyas! Are you kidding me!? before level 3 you should've gotten zed to at least half health with autos. you and if zed misses his WQ, he's vulnerable for 22 seconds, I don't know if you realize how big that is, Orianna's CDs are relatively low. And they do fall of late, every one has armor and it's teamfighting an assassins worst nightmare. mages can 1v1 and teamfight a lot more than ad assassins
I have no Zhonya's at level 3. And As I said, I also play ADC, mostly that these days. No Zhonya's! Then you say "GA". Yes... Once every 5 minutes, which I also don't have in lane, when they roam to me. And yes, it is my fault for not looking at the map and hugging tower whenever their Zed is not visible, which again leads to boring, uninteractive gameplay. A half health Zed is still gonna one-shot me, when I am 75%. If he misses his WQ he tends to, you know, back the %%%% off. And it is not like he takes it if he misses it, meaning I at best get of QW with Ori, probably less with most other mages. Again, not gonna kill him. Assassins get Lethality, 2 items give 36 armor pen + extra damage from Duskblade + dashes in and out of fights. GL being and Ori diving the backline defended by the fronline and support, getting combo off and living. I have seen a lot of Zeds do that to great effect
: So basically you don't want assassins to do what they're supposed to do. But you're fine with Katarinas snowball (or were fine with Zoes)? Are you kidding me? Or Ekko that can now one shot "Squishier roles" with the new items. Everything that you find bad with AD assassins are now on AP assassins/Mages. When you get blown up by Orianna or Ryze in 2 spells you consider that fun and fair to play against? And if you play mages you have Range vs Melee advantage, of course they have to jump on you, and you also have Zhonyas that completely shut them down.
> So basically you don't want assassins to do what they're supposed to do. Well, no :P But to be fair, I just don't like dying, hence a class made specifically just to kill me is not something I like. In the same way that Assassins hate mages that hug the tower with stopwatch, since they can't get their kill to get the snowball going. I am in Silver, so the good Katarinas are few and far between. She can definitely annihilate you in a moment, but she is rarely played down here, and all said and done she has less dash range than Zed, who is played comparatively often. Zoe is a %%%%%, no doubt about it, but again have not met a good one yet in my level. And I have found out when she uses E on someone, I can actually, as ADC go in and block the q and be whatever when midgame comes around in many situations. I have met one good Ekko in the last months, and he only killed me once, again as ADC, because I got caught in his stun, trying to dodge everything else in a game where they were already winning hard. But yeah, he is definitely annoying when he gets going, but at the same time, again, when I ahve played against him in lane I have not really had problems. Also, I have only played a few games on the new patch and have not seen the impact of the new AP items on AP assassins. With Orianna and Ryze I basically just stay out of range and let them wail on my team, since they don't have dashes. So if I get caught I feel like I misplayed, so i can only be annoyed with myself then. Besides I have never been killed by an orianna QW, only chunked a good deal. She needs ult to oneshot. Though I will say,Ryze has a surprising amount of burst. Ah, the good ol' range vs melee... say I play Orianna vs Zed. Remember, this is not high elo, not perfect mechanics by a long shot. Level 1-2 I can AA and QW Zed when he goes to farm. Sure. First of all that opens me up to get his by his Q. Damage is reduced through minions, but damage is damage. if he stands back, as he should, I can either use my limited early mana pool on spells, and hopefully hit him, or I can AA him, which will hurt him, but also get aggro from caster minions, maybe the Q. All Zed needs early is a few CS and Exp. When level 3 comes around he can WEQW AA, maybe AA again if I am not max ranging a melee creep, meaning I am in danger if I go for AA on casters, ignite and get the kill. What can I do? QW AA... yeah, that's not gonna be a return kill. So the range vs melee early doesn't mean very much to me, unless you decide from the start not to have any kind of interactive lane, and you hug tower for a default "he is not gonna kill me" lane. Same lane, just Ekko instead of Zed. His Q is his main ability to farm, so don't stand in minions and he is not gonna kill you early with just his E and passive for damage. Same with Katarina and her knives. Fizz is the likes of Zed for the level 3 kill, but he does not have a ranged ability to farm and poke with, so I can freely AA him if he goes for CS, or he has to use a lot of mana to at least Q or W and E out for a single CS. This means he has to 100-0 me at level 3, which he can only if I misplay and then it is on me again. generally with Assassins is that they are "early game snowbally champions and fall off hard". Bullshit, I can shut them down in lane, literally be 0/3 for mid game, and still find kills with no farm or exp, so they are a thread...
: Would you feel the same way if it were mages killing you in the same amount of time?
If you mean I would hate mages if they could get on me and kill me to the same degree as AD assassins, yes. For me, though, I prefer the squishy roles, like ADC and mages mid, which means if my positioning is just a little bit off I get dashed upon by one of the million dashes AD assassins have and I get one-shot, just like that. if I get hit by fx a Lux QER combo it is my bad rather than an annoying kit. And yes, there are AP assassins with dashes as well, but I feel like they snowball less often and are generally slightly less annoying. mages, on the other hand, can definitely one-shot me in many cases, but as stated I more often than not feel it is my bad and not their kit, plus most of the time I can basically just stay back and they can't touch me with anything too deadly. Also, when i play in midlane vs an AD assassin my job is to "not die", basically farm under turret until he goes bot and gets a double kill, leaving me time to push the wave and back, while I get flamed by my dead team mates for pinging in their faces, but not following to give a triple kill. When I face a mage I can pay the lane and have fun (to be fair, Fizz is just as obnoxious as any AD assassin).
: Yes hear this it does true dmg. Thats just overpowering every bruiser and melee champs league has ever seen.
I really don't think this is gonna do much, except maybe to tanks. Fx, {{champion:24}} lvl 9, max W and Triforce (not sure this is happening every game, but just for the thought experiment, so he has max W). That is base AA and Triforce 279 + 180 from max W. That is 459, of which 92 would be true damage. Say you are {{champion:164}}, another non-resist early game rusher, level 9, and for whatever reason has not rushed {{item:3047}} , for the easier math on my part. With resistances (and without the AD bonus from the rune, since I don't quite know what it would be at lvl 9) (checked resistances and reductions in training tool): Without true damage: {{champion:24}} would do 459 damage, {{champion:164}} would receive 301 with her 61 armor and 41 MR With true damage: {{champion:24}} would do 367 damage + 92 true damage, {{champion:164}} would receive 332 damage. So yes, true damage is true damage and will be better than physical or magic damage, but its impact against someone not stacking resistances is not gonna be huge. This is of course very simplified and you obviously use AA and other abilities as well, but if you are a squishy and a {{champion:24}} jumps on you with full combo, you are pretty much dead, true damage or not.
: Riot hates health bars
It is basically to Fervor what Electrocute is to Thunderlord's. Sounds like a good thing for bruisers.
: So they put new AP items into the game...
I think that the less AD assassins are viable the better. Hate those guys.
: Kai'Sa looks
Pyrosen (EUW)
: It's a rhetorical question and I did answer it, not silver. I wonder what's above Silver? Why's it rhetorical? Because they're individual players. There's some people in silver who understand the JG role exists but aren't good enough in lanes so they end up losing in the 1 v 1 period. There's some who ignore the JG role and get shit on for over extending but if you want to generalise according to rank: Silver is full of the people who think laning is against your opponent and not the JG. Gold players understand that and respect it but don't know how to turn it against them I think you're a little tense from that losing streak, chill lmao
it's just a question. Nothing rhetorical about it. I do assume, though, that the person responding to it understands that I do not mean by which rank does 1 person understand the fundamentals of jungling, but when the majority of people playing in that rank understand such things. If my intention was to point out people in silver don't understand the fundamentals of jungling that is exactly what I would have written.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: It's Silver People don't understand JG ganks and they die, simple lol
*sigh*... Fine, I shall guide you: > At what rank do people understand the fundamentals of jungling? This is the question I am asking. You are spouting random words that happen to form a sentence, but has nothing to do with anything here.
Növa (EUNE)
: No, he is not a great duelist before his form, comparing to other junglers atm. Do you think he can win against Warwick/Jax/Xin Zhao/Kha'Zix in the early game? Not even win a duel against Sejuani/Zac or other tank jungler because he doesn't have that much damage. The only way to get kills is taking the opportunity and the fact that sometimes people just underestimate him in early stages of the game even when they are low HP. He is also underestimate when ganking, sometimes I do this too. He has a pretty good clear to be honest.
So basically do what I do, avoid all his ganks, and then get rekt when everyone else feed him? Awesome. I legit never get ganked until he has 3 kills already, and then I rarely die to him. Midgame he just jumps on me and kille me though, no matter where the %%%% I am on the map.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Found your issue, you're in Silver
Read the post, use your brain, and try again
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: I get matched with unrankeds wven if i have hundreds of games.
I am gonna assume you have a main account that is above level 11. But it depends on a few factors: If they ended last season at around your current rank, their provisionals will be against players of their level, aka you. If it is a brand new account the system has 10 games to determine their rank. They start at about Silver 4-5 I think, then when you win you go up by a lot. Last season I started playing ranked, lost 1 or 2 games, then basically got carried to 5-6 victories in a row. I am definitely Silver level, but because of that I had a game with G1-P4 players. Scary stuff. Ofc I lost after that and ultimately ended at S3, which was about right, but I was thrown around quite a bit.
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: Let your team peel you and don't stand somewhere where people can engage on you
and when my team is stunned or desperately trying to do something at all? And how exactly do I stand somewhere people can't engage on me when I am the damage on the team?
Rioter Comments
: Champs in your team vs same champs in enemy team.
: Banned for bullsh*t
why even answer them back? Just mute and move on
Nocturnæ (EUW)
: How shields really work ?
SHields work like HP, so a 300 shield is like 300 extra health, and armor and magic resist is considered when it is damaged. The same goes for magic shields like Morgana's, or the one on Maw, it just only takes MR into account. Actually don't know about %HP damage, but shields are treated as HP in so amny other instances, so it would be weird if not here also
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Modifi (EUW)
: ONE MILLION MASTERY, Riot Emote or icon Plz?
Darkpang (EUW)
: you sure i saw people just write stfu , wtf ,andget ban
stfu, maybe if it was the last straw for them, I don't believe wtf would ever be the thing that triggered anything. given the example, you can write something like "Vayne, you really need to stop doing X to have a chance to win this". The Vayne can then respond and do whatever she decides to do, but you have done nothing other than giving strategic knowledge to that player. Personally I have said rather bad things for being flamed, profanities and everything, no penalty of any kind yet. So it definitely also depends on frequency and being unlucky to get punished
Hadex (EUNE)
: Blue Essence System
Adding to what else has been said, maybe you have noticed when you get a shard from leveling up that champion shard is cheaper to unlock than buying it in store. Fx if you get a 6300 BE champion shard you can disenchant for 1260 BE, or you can unlock it for 3780, saving 2520 BE, or 40%, on that champion. You save 40% on every shard, but disenchant it for 20%. It does take some luck if you want a specific champion, but over time you will have saved a lot of grinding for the same amount of champions.
Darkpang (EUW)
: yet we are allowed to do self defense , if by law we can do that , why cant we do that in chat ? logic EDIT shit example , but the logic stands
You can do self-defense. Just don't be an ass about it and you can't get a report for flame that will lead to punishment.
: Can i get reported for refusing to gank someone??
Well, you don't have to gank every lane, there are a lot of factors, one of them being your laner can do damage with you. If she goes 0/15 she is feeding her ass of and will be so much behind she can do nothing in a gank. So there, a good reason not to gank
Alexray35 (EUW)
: Unflinching Slow Resist and Urgot's W
At least part of it is that Tenacity from runes is multiplicative. So fx {{item:3111}} gives 30% tenacity, leaving 70%, then you get 32% from Unflinching, being 32% of 70%, so it is 22% instead of the 32%. I can't say if there is more to it than that, though
: Yea I see that quote a lot but that can be used for computers maybe . I see my close friend I call him "yo douchebag" but does "douchebag" really mean "douchebag" in that situation ? Mood , people we talk to , situation and maybe other stuff , they give the words meaning . So I don't see that saying K.Y.S to someone you don't even know means jump off the bridge right now .
So when you are annoyed at a person you casually throw a friendly Kill Yourself in their face? > So I don't see that saying K.Y.S to someone you don't even know means jump off the bridge right now Also, when is the appropriate time for the adressed person to jump off the bridge?
: perma banned xD
what did you expect from that chat log?
Pyrosen (EUW)
: {{item:3123}}{{item:3165}} {{item:3157}}
{{item:3123}} doesn't help when I am dead as adc as soon as he lands one ability or aa {{item:3165}} same as above. gl getting him below 35% {{item:3157}} works well when you can build it.
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Kawataryx (EUW)
: New rune system...
well, the old rune/mastery system wasn't perfect either. fx Garen didn't have a good mastery keystone for him, he just had some that were not as bad as others. And 2-3 rune pages were not at all enough if you played at a high level/perfectionist as you describe it. Riot is working on new runes with the new system, so let's see in some months how it is
Dr Sinner (EUW)
: What is this matchmaking?
because there are 4 tiers: Bad (B5-D5) - Medium (D4-Masters) - Decent (Challenger) - Good (Pro) {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: A Player picked Shyvana with smite and ghost in my game, even though I refused to accept his 'strat'
Yeah, the system is really broken. I have no idea if that person is gonna get punished or not, but based on posts on this forum it seems like people don't seem to think they get punished for anything other than being toxic, and even then it is only if they are not provoked and unlucky. Riot really needs to release some kind of statistics or soemthing over how many people get punished for what things, so people believe there are consequences to their actions in this game.
vladiq (EUW)
: LEVI IS CLEAN | SLICK PLAY BY THRESH ON IMAQTPIE STREAM | MADLIFE
credit goes to streamers... and the ad revenue from the video?
sirDarts (EUW)
: This was already proposed several times and it just makes no sense. **Champions are different and people are different.** Some champions don't need more than one game to learn, after which you need to play on your actual level (= in ranked if you mainly play ranked) to master it. Others need maybe a dozen games. And also some people learn faster than others. Thus it's pretty much impossible to just set an arbitrary number to the amount of games needed for someone to play on a champ before they can use it in ranked. **Skill level in normal vs ranked is different.** Especially when people play ranked exclusively, their ranked MMR is VASTLY different from their normal MMR, and thus for them playing a normal game with a champ will give them just as much knowledge as playing it in coop vs AI. **People lie about being new to the champion** Most people proposing this change think that the player did bad because they said it's their first time on the champ, this is most likely only an excuse they use to hide the real reasons for doing bad. So it's not even clear how many "first timers" actually ruin games. All in all the only acceptable thing would be to require people to play one game on the champion before using it in ranked, and this one game is allowed to be Coop vs. AI just to make the people at least see the skills in action.
> Champions are different and people are different. Well, of course. 10 is just a number, maybe 1 or 5, important thing is to get a feel for the champion instead of just going into a game thinking "I saw this challenger guy in a video stomp with this champion I have never played before, let me do that, too!" and failing miserably. > Skill level in normal vs ranked is different. obviously. Again, it's just to get a feel for the champion. To really get good with the champion you will need to play a lot of games with and against a lot of different champions and comps. Still, personally I get better with a champion after 5 games in normals compared to 5 games in co-op vs ai. > People lie about being new to the champion In my particular case I looked the guy up on op.gg, and he had never played the champion before in the last 2 seasons, and neither in non-ranked games in the last 2 weeks. Maybe one game is enough, maybe you need more. I suggest researching what would be acceptable for most people instead of making thought experiments.
Hydnoras (EUW)
: Because you can see what the abilities do in videos etc. so you do not need to play normals to get good at a champion. not to mention normals are not eve a good place to practice in due to unrealistic matchups that happen very often (like lux top that never happens in ranked).
Sure, you can see and read the abilities. Still, took me 10 minutes in Practice Tool to get the Akali combos in my fingers, with no farming and no cooldowns. You can't do that in a ranked game. And I am in Silver, nothing is certain. Lux top is a viable pick here (like everything else). Besides, unless your opponent is also in the game with achampion for the first time you are going to be at a disadvantage champion knowledge wise.
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Loonsteer (EUW)
: Get chat restriction for telling the truth.
You are right, you did tell the truth. It was just wrapped up in so much crap you deserved a chat restriction for it. Not to mention that Griefing is reportable as well.
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