TheBigScarecrow
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FluffyPidgeon
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Someone made a yt video about how to get banned in LoL or something like that, and he showed a list of 300 odd words of stuff you should not say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnfxGrPRYr8
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Wandering Mist
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It helps vs a relatively immobile in lane assassin as ~~TF~~ Talon with a jungler. I would love to see the same thing with a Zed or Fizz who can be on you from further away. And without jungle pressure, because hey, who gets that in Gold?
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Wandering Mist
(EUW)
I'm really not. His argument is the classic "Assassins can't beat mages in any circumstance". I even admit I don't play perfectly in point 1, which is obvious since I am gold not challenger. But I will check out the video.
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M3GTRDragon
(EUNE)
1) as Ziggs my main CC and disengage is the same thing. And no, I cannot throw it perfectly yet.
2) So die to his no-ult all in? Sure
3) Hardly. Maybe 1 if I am lucky.
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M3GTRDragon
(EUNE)
And every assassin has a way of dodging
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M3GTRDragon
(EUNE)
pre-6 is un-important for this discussion since assassins rarely roam pre-6. In the same way late game is unimportant sice we are talking lane phase. And you tell that to the enemy 0/4 Fizz that ends up carrying with a 15/7 score. Hurray for low elo!
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M3GTRDragon
(EUNE)
so how do I not overextend while still attacking him? Since I just attack him from max range and I still die = overextending. Never get any CS whatsoever?
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Wandering Mist
(EUW)
pre-6 is another beast entirely. I am currently learning to harass, which I almost can, without losing all my farm, which I can't Atm. what happens is I am oom at 6 and die to an all-in because of that, or they just back at level 4-5, get their damage item and have kill pressure, because assassins. But they only rarely roam pre-6, so that is not important here.
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Wandering Mist
(EUW)
what game are you playing? If they see me roaming they are at their tower by the time I get to their river bush.
But yeah, I have waveclear. I push Zed or Fizz in. Then what? They waveclear under tower. if I stay to harass they use their dash to me and I am out a flash assuming I am not dead. I get ganked, same thing. I don't stay to harass they waveclear, then roam, bot dies. Unless I get heavy jungle assistance, what scenario is good for me here?
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M3GTRDragon
(EUNE)
if I give him a CD window he will all-in and kill me. at best I will have poked him slightly. So why poke him and die instead of CS-ing and die? More gold for me that way
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Wandering Mist
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Was Zed nerfed recently? Only times I ever survived his ult with barrier was when I was straight under tower and he presses his R out faster than his combo.
So what do I do? he misses combo, fine. do I go on him, poke him for 25% with a full rotation, because I have no AP, and lose trade to minion aggro and his no CD Q, or do I unload on the wave pushing it in in 1,5 to 2 rotations, have no mana and get ganked/ all-inned by Zed when it is finally oushed in and he has W up again? These are the situations.
And yes, when you are half health under turret and your midlaner pings the assassin midlane is coming for you, you back the %%%% off to you t2 turret and base. Why die?
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M3GTRDragon
(EUNE)
how? When he is level 6 I use all my CD and half my mana pool to push the wave.
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TheBigScarecrow
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FluffyPidgeon
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seriously? Odd I never noticed before. But at least with Sion Q you see the animation as it lands and does damage to you. Doesn't seem balanced that you only know you took damage because you see it in the death recap.
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SaulTight
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FluffyPidgeon
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Kurotsu
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ah nice, ty
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VeryGrumpyPie
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FluffyPidgeon
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you misunderstand. why go for that particular skin? between her winrate being meh, you not being one of the ones pulling it upwards unless you become a one-trick god, banned more often than not (literally) and receiving nerfs making it very hard to achieve that godlike status, it simply doesn't seem worthwhile. You realize how many adult sides you could have visited and spent happy time with in the time it took you to grind that ultimately moot skin, right?
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Kurotsu
(EUW)
yeah, I saw that date, too. But do we get missions until that date or can you simply spend your tokens until then?
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VeryGrumpyPie
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
why though?
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420POESLEAGUE1
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
Let's run it down:
1. you don't get banned for toxicity in one game, unless you are straight racist, homphobic etc. in a fowl way and/or type the magical " K Y S" thing or otherwise wish death and/or misfortune upon the other players in your game.
2. you getting punished has nothing to do with other players' toxicity and/or flame. You are not allowed to flame, be it retaliatory or not. If the other guys were truly flaming you they will also be flagged in the system and treated accordingly, meaning immediate ban if they did the things in point 1 above, or just flagged and later punished if they continue the behaviour.
3. they being premade means nothing. 1 report or 9 on you, the system only counts 1. ONE! you are either reported or not. Not reported a lot or reported a little.
4. yes, very toxic environment. Thank you for contributing! He wrote sarcastically.
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AceFool
(EUW)
In reality it will be "I'm about to die. Bye ADC, nice knowing you *E* {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
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Waantyy
(EUNE)
Make him do his combo in more than 0,5 seconds and we can talk about buffs.
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AceFool
(EUW)
Ah, you are a troll. Otherwise you would not have come up with the E.
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Shamose
(EUW)
The sad thing is, I think that is very much part of the answer. Even when they don't own the champion, lol. I like the idea of one for all. And maybe make the champ unbannable for a week or so in normals. Also autoban it in ranked for the same duration.
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Gebba
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Largely agree
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Fajerk
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FluffyPidgeon
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T00Late
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
rude
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Á cute Loli
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FluffyPidgeon
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ah, right {{sticker:cass-cry}}
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Gebba
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of course it is reductive. I don't think this forum allows me to publish a 3027 page paper with examples. this is just one. my point is you can learn more from replays than you seem to express. Your point is you won't learn very much if you are not high elo, and if you are you need to be coached anyways. I disagree with that point. You can learn from watching what you did right and what you did wrong. And you know if you did something right if you won a game or got a kill or escaped a gank etc. You know you did something wrong if you died, if you lost a game, failed to get a baron etc. Then you see what's up and notice on the baron thing that hey, the enemy jungler was 2 levels up on me and hence had a better smite. Maybe do something different next time. What might that be? Don't get behind. How not to? Don't die. Don't get invaded. Go to lanes to get exp from minions. Farm better. Invade, so the enemy jungler falls behind. Then you can further go into specifics on that front. Try shit. Oh, my invade failed? why? My champion vs theirs? Why was the enemy jungler waiting in that bush right there? Og, he just ganked midlane, I did not notice that in the heat of the moment. But I can see it on the replay. I should notice that next time. I argue there is a lot of value in improving from your own perspective tasking your own skills into account and improving from there instead of solely following guides from better players with better mechanics etc than you.
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Gebba
(EUW)
okay. You watch a guide. you do exactly what it tells you to do. It does not work. you try again. you fail again. try. fail. try. fail. try. fail. You watch your replay. You notice you were too impatient or too obvious in what you were trying to do and that your enemy never got caught because of it. You just watched your own replay to improve.
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heacarim
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
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chefff v2
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
Why shouldn't players be allowed to have fun in this game? Jeez. Hate those people that are like "you didn't exactly copy the best guy or what I saw some guy do some months ago. You are trolling!!" On the other end I literally had my jungler call me out for not building Duskblade on Quinn at a time when it had been nerfed and no one considered mains by op.gg in master+ built it. So maybe the top 1% of players in this game are in the best position to figure out what the best thing is, but when you are not in that bracket you don't know shit. Not to mention stuff like bush plays with invisible Sion Q or hextech flash Alistar into WQ which good players anticipate and play around but sucklords like us don't give a second thought. So by your logic no one should ever figure out and use what works and instead rely on the word of players with strategies requiring skills you don't even posses. Yeah, good idea dude.
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VortexV9
(EUNE)
FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
so it should just be a passive ability that gives 10% extra damage? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
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canablyss
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
make a new account. No one stops you from doing that.
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Gebba
(EUW)
I largely disagree. You can definitely learn a lot from players better than you simply because you see them do that thing you never thought of before, eg for me on katarina do her W before you R. Never thought of that before i saw it in some video. But you can fix your own mistakes by watching your own replays. for example you are annoyed you get ganked all the time midlane. You ward your brush, but you still die most of the time when you get ganked. You look at your replays. You notice that you ward the river bush towards topside, but then you died because you were all the way at the bottom side bush with no wards and boom, no reaction time. Then you learn, by yourself, that when you ward one side you should try to not be on the other side, where you have no vision.
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Hygge Umut
(EUW)
FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
in your menu there is a "attack champion only" key you can press. This way you will only be able to attack champions, when that key is pressed. Find it and bind it to an easy to use key for you.
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Kurotsu
(EUW)
that is the basic point, yes, but I disagree with the fact that you should never bother watching your own replays, for one because yes, the sick Ekko outplay at 2 health is possible, but do you have the mechanics for that? If you are in low gold, like me, the answer is probably no. So recognize you can kill Poppy with your limited mana pool before she can use her full mana pool, which is her only real advantage in the clip, but since you are not G2 Trick (?) you would die to the Heca by going back in. That is when watching your own replays have some value. Among other reasons.
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Kurotsu
(EUW)
IF you are specific about what you use them for, as it seems you are, then yes, it is worthwhile. And I would also say you should watch good games as well. Not necessarily ones you winb, but where you eg have a good laning phase but still lose in the end, cause muh team. As long as you are specific about it. For example, look at a game where you lost lane because you got ganked. Why did you get ganked? Anyhing you should think about next time, fx lots of CC between the the enemy laner and jungle champions etc. Then notice what you did right in the games you did not get ganked. Was it a weaker comp against you? Or did you ward earlier/better? Respectful of the enemy CC etc.? This way you can improve a bit even though you do not have the game knowledge of a top 10 challenger player.
On the other hand Dong Huap has made a good case against watching your own replays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biCgNce_pOA
I agree with some of his points but take a look for yourself. Hope it helps.
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Asher2406
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FluffyPidgeon
(EUW)
then what is the problem?
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Febos
(EUW)
I agree, but I did not see me getting any souls (though that is not in itself reliable), and the tooltip says nothing of the sort.
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