: Meta and off-meta are only relevant to the extend that the enemy can capitalize on it. So if a pick can be heavily abused or capitalized on in most games (like ezreal top), then that pick will just not happen very often. If a pick cannot be abused or capitalized on as much in most games (like Garen top), then that pick will happen more often. In lower elos, everything works, because nobody knows what's going on anyway. No jungler will understand that that Ezreal top is basically a one way road to him AND his top being fed to the maximum. That's the biggest reason meta exists. The reason meta is being played in bronze too, is because bronze looks at what challenger is doing, so if challenger is not playing Fiddle top, then Fiddle top will not be played in bronze, too, even though it's more than likely that that pick will work out just fine there.
Meta means: is there a pick that will do everything better than this specific pick X here? Then Pick X is not meta.
: i'd like to go vayne top, since i got huge success against darius (well, duh) once but i'd like to see your advice, what matchups are good for him? what are bad? i think another good matchup could be against a garen, if his Q doesn't reach me.. probably against a sion too, all i have to do is care about his E.. anything else?
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uyqOeMqj,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-01-16T08:18:54.053+0000) > > i'd like to go vayne top, since i got huge success against darius (well, duh) once > but i'd like to see your advice, what matchups are good for him? what are bad? > i think another good matchup could be against a garen, if his Q doesn't reach me.. probably against a sion too, all i have to do is care about his E.. anything else? as a range champion, anything that is melee is a good match-up, your biggest problem is that you're gankable, and that the moment enemy laner can all-in you (riven, irelia..), you're dead every time. Sure, you'll be denying him tons of farm and maybe even killing him early, but unless you get superfed, in the end, none of that will matter. The reason a similar champ, namely Quinn, worked top was because Quinn has insane roam and assassination potential. Vayne has neither, so there's little reason to play her there over anything else, as her split is simply outdone by over half of League's available champions on top of what I just said, too. Her TF and objective taking is good but then may as well play her bot and have something more useful in top.
Kelb4n (EUW)
: Opinions on Off Meta (Example: Ezreal Top)
Meta and off-meta are only relevant to the extend that the enemy can capitalize on it. So if a pick can be heavily abused or capitalized on in most games (like ezreal top), then that pick will just not happen very often. If a pick cannot be abused or capitalized on as much in most games (like Garen top), then that pick will happen more often. In lower elos, everything works, because nobody knows what's going on anyway. No jungler will understand that that Ezreal top is basically a one way road to him AND his top being fed to the maximum. That's the biggest reason meta exists. The reason meta is being played in bronze too, is because bronze looks at what challenger is doing, so if challenger is not playing Fiddle top, then Fiddle top will not be played in bronze, too, even though it's more than likely that that pick will work out just fine there.
: OP supports in low elo (gold)
Hey, I personally climbed my way to plat5 from Gold5 by just playing Nami in a very, very short period. This was awhile ago though, like 2 seasons back, but Nami is still very oppressive in lane, and while she does not have the "i have no carry, let me be the carry" potential that Brand/Zyra and the like have, she excels at saving team from doing really stupid things, kinda like Janna, but with a lot more teeth. She doesn't have the best roams, but she's really good in skirmishes and in the midgame, which is good for the inevitable river yolo that always ends up happening. In lower elo, I felt damage control is equally important, if not more important as making things happen, because in lower elo there's ALWAYS something happening anyway, because both teams have no idea what's going on and all they wanna do is fight ALL THE TIME. Being the one who can turn those usually stupid fights and save your team from idiotism is really valuable. IMO. The biggest thing as a support is that you make calls, all the time. Your pick comes secondary to that. Ping people who are about to do something stupid back. Ping the turret, even if your jungler is already in lane to take it, because he may change his mind and randomly start backing. Ping scuttlers. Ping enemy red. Do not ward where you want your team to NOT be, ward where you want your team to be. Similarly, ward where you THINK enemy team may be going, because the enemy is as bad as your team, so it's very possible that they're about to do something really stupid, too (read: "hey, good idea, we have a small lead, hey, dragon is up... hey, you know what, let's go yolo in enemy jungle with no vision for a bit before we do dragon...") now imagine if that bit of jungle has been lit up like a christmastree because you kinda saw this one coming - you ace them, take dragon, a turret, maybe two, maybe enemy red, get push in all lanes, now you can go get baron control, and kill the enemy support as he makes his way to baron.....). Think where you think enemy will be. If your jungler is getting destroyed, chances are enemy jungler is gonna come for your buffs even before laning is over. Ward those before the buff even spawns. Similarly, if you guys are ahead, ward deep, so you can contest the camps/buffs or even kill them: make them FEAR your team. Contest everything that gives gold. Scuttler? Ward it, catch that enemy jungler, if you can't kill him at least your top knows he can all-in the enemy. Learn what good warding spots are, specifically the deeper ones. I don't believe in counterpicks except in really high elo, but support picks at any elo can really can change a game. Picking what your team needs, or picking precisely what enemy team does not need can really completely and utterly change a game, change all win conditions, change everything. Still, I don't recommend a really big champion pool. I said I played mostly Nami, but if they only had assassins, Nami is completely useless beyond laning phase, she's a free gank too, and instead I'd usually pick Janna or Lulu (any assassin's nightmare) or some tank/peel. That tiltproofs me and it will really help my team to NOT pick Nami in this specific game. Make the enemy hate you. That's your goal. And lastly, just watch a lot of videos, note where the supports go and why they go there, what they ward, etc. TL:DR play what you like, work on your macro more than on your champ decision.
Fedairkid (EUW)
: But it wasn't just one guy. This has been happening to me for years now. What I say is always along the lines of: "Next time, let's try to have you engage first and I'll follow with my ult. Then we will probably be able to win the fight." Tons of smileys helping is honestly not a solid formula. I tried that, but many have seen those smileys as sarcasm or somehting similiar and got pissed. ( especially this one :) ). I won't go into a discussion about the "easily offended culture nowadays". Let's be real, that's not a topic which cna effectively be discussed in a LoL Thread x). Look, I just observed that many players just take almost everything as offense, and try to make people not do that. Most of us suck at this game, so we gotta be able to take some advice or criticism now and then.
Definitely, there's always some of those people. The thing is, people are very butthurt about their own f*ckups. It's a lot easier to blame&flame than to take responsibility for your own mistakes, let alone need you to re-emphasize again that they f**cked up. Even irl, if you tell someone - a friend, colleague, girlfriend - criticism, you'll find a lot of people try to turn this back on you (" BUT YOU DID THIS...." "AND THATS WHY..."), trying to justify their own faulty behaviour. It can make communication really rough, particularly with people who are proud. So now fastforward ingame. You get a bunch of, let's be honest, youngsters, with already volatile tempers cause they are youngsters, and the last thing they need is take sh**t from some stranger in a game, especially if they already feel like they f**cked up. At that point it's way easier to turn it on YOU. Everyone'll remember that jungler who sologanked and fed your lane and started capslocking that I'M NEVER COMING TOP AGAIN and you're like ?? wtf dude?? I, personally, gave up on this ages ago. I appreciate people who continuously try to have respectful dialogue going on, esp becaus despite your best efforts, you still may get shitty reactions. So honestly, I'm not really one to speak. I /mute all, because I believe there's nothing people can tell me ingame that will benefit me and that cannot be conveyed through pings. If I %%%%ed up, I'll usually say I'm sorry. If my jungler %%%%ed up, I usually respectfully say he did (in the way I said in my post), but I can't see his reactions, so either he follows my advice or he doesn't - at the end of the day, it's really all the same to me. I'm expecting nothing and I play this game 100% for myself, and if my team follows, great, and if not, well, I'm not sad either. And that's a mentality you can only have in league if you take a more relaxed approach to the game, so I understand it's not for everyone, but I also believe firmly that it helps to understand WHY people act the way they do, and while I do not have a psychology degree, I believe what I described here is WHY people can act the way they do in this game. And maybe it will, as a result, help you be more patient with some (toxic) players. As for smileys being misinterpreted: definitely possible, especially if it's the first thing you say ingame. From before my mute days and back in my I WANT TO CLIMB days, I always engage in friendly banter before the game and even throughout the game, trying to keep the motivation up and the atmosphere light. That way players understand from you that your :D smiley is not sarcastic, because you didn't use it sarcastically before and it doesn't fit the persona you've been showing, but yeah, there's always gonna be the people I described above.
: Where can i play Zyra ?
Support is where she belongs She can be played mid, particularly in lower elo, but against serious midlaners she has some serious disadvantages. My advice, if you're having fun with her and not feeding every game, play her mid.
Aîze (EUW)
: To play against Diamond player, as Silver
It is illegal to share your account with someone else But it is not illegal to have a low-ranked account and play duo with an actual bronze to boost him, because by that definition you'd start making friends who just play together, even if one is better than the other, a bannable offense. These things happen, next time the smurf could be on your team! If I get heavy smurfs against me, I know it;s prolly over, but I just try to appreciate their plays and learn something.
Tuhma Sieni (EUNE)
: Have you read Dostoyevsky? Idiot isn't categorically an insult. I suppose "l2p" is getting close to crossing the line, but if that's something you can get punished for saying, then.. Wow. And the ez was a sarcastic commentary, a counter to them spamming "ez", used to highlight their absurdity. And yes, I've definitely learned that you can't type anything, other than ggwp, because the report system seems to be somewhat broken. Sorry but I just don't have the patience for that, think of that what you will. But while you're here, could you please enlighten me on the following: Why do players that wish cancer/death on me and/or my family never get punished after I report them? Like, not once has it happened. (And I would know if they did because Riot gives the reporting player a notification if action was taken based on their report).
I did, and while idiot or idiotism used to not be an insult, nowadays it very much is. Edit: you come off like a complete idiot, in the modern sense of the word, if you're gonna be quoting random literature and rip it out of its context just to appear educated and well-read
Tuhma Sieni (EUNE)
: Can someone explain to me why I got punished by Riot?
Toxic enough to get banned IMO You're just non-stop whining at people, you ruin other people's fun. That is the very definition of being toxic. You don't need to cuss to be toxic. You're toxic and I'm really happy riot is banning these kinds of people also. If you're actually unsure of what normal, polite, acceptable behaviour is, then don't speak, don't type. Tip: If whatever you say is not respectful and kind, then whatever you're about to say is probably toxic.
Fedairkid (EUW)
: Don't take everything as flame
you cannot juist equal this one guy to "the community". Also, if what you said was interpreted as flame, maybe you weren't as neutral as you thought you are. Lastly, the guy probably knows he f*cked up. He really doesn't need you, some random, to tell him that too. Make a plan ahead of time, and if you're gonna criticize others afterwards, make sure it comes off friendly (tons of smileys helps, actually. "mmm. I think maybe next time you can engage first, I'll follow with ult, I promise :)".) I also want to make a note about the "easily offended culture of nowadays". The majority of people who say this, and yes, I feel free to generalize here, are not qualified to make this comment. You're too young to know anything. Look at old literature and movies, start to mid previous century for example, and you'll quickly realize that we are a very harsh culture and that even things we consider normal nowadays, would have been super offending BACK IN THEM DAYS. Always be respectful. It's really not hard.
: Hey, Saw your post few days ago and didn't have a chance to reply. So in your efforts to climb you're getting frustrated by not climbing because trolls. There's two things I want to say to you and hopefully, slim chance but hopefully, it will help you a little bit. 1) in everything in life, including league, there are "facts of life", or here, "facts of league". Facts of league a) you win some, b) you lose some, and most importantly b) you will always meet players who do not take the game as seriously as you do (either in your, or enemy team). Statistically, over the course of a 1000 games, a) b) and c) even out. What defines a player's ability is not necessarily his skill, but how to deal with really bad luck. Bad luck is what is making your game miserable. The way you handle that is how you can keep playing a game where a lot of strangers and your own personal skill factor in your sense of happiness. For me, that means I /mute all. Toxicity tilts me, and I may not be able to stop myself from returning a few choice words, which will only make it worse for me. It also means that if I lose 3 games in a row, I stop playing - at most, I play aram. Aram allows me to fulfill the "I WANNA GET BACK THERE AND WIN" sense you get after a loss, without actually impacting my own happiness or my mmr in any way. It relaxes me. The other thing I do, if I lose a game, is evaluate where it went wrong. Sure, the 0/11 Zoe mid didn't help. But could I have played better? I redirect my frustration of other players towards a positive thing, in thinking instead where *I* could have improved. Should not have pathed that way through jungle. Shouldn't have backed there. Shouldn't have used heal. Sure, maybe game would still have been lost, but on a personal level, I gained something out of that game. 2) And you may not like hearing this, but if you have really been so serious and playing this game "non casually" since season 1, and you're still barely making it to plat, or even if you barely making it to diamond, you seriously need to reconsider already a long time ago what's wrong. Now, I nearly made it to diamond 5, Plat 99lp last season (normal players would have actually pushed for diamond, but I couldn't be bothered). I'm by no means good or overqualified to give you advice from a player skill perspective, but considering I've reached as much as you, maybe more, in considerably less time spent means that maybe I can allow myself to give you some advice, particularly because I also play bot. And that's the issue. You're playing pre bot. That is one of your biggest problems. You are duoing into a technically solo queue, which means that your fellow team members will automatically be worse than the enemy, unless they also have a duo. That means that statistically, you get a very high chance of having a losing top/mid/jungle: 2 of those are likely to lose. If you think back to your games, you'll realize I'm right. It's to even out the advantage you get by being together on comms and stuff. It makes sense. but because you're duo bot, and not duo something else, you only get to control the bot lane, and, if your mid isn't too atrocious, the bot side of the map. But since 2 out of your 3 teammates are probably useless, you either now have an enemy darius already in your base at 10 minutes, or your mid is going 0/4 and your jungle is getting heavily f**cked. That automatically limits the control you can exert over the map as a duo bot. And that's where you start losing already. I tried duo bot to climb. I was a support main last season, I'm playing adc this one. I will never try to climb as a duo bot ever again. Is it impossible? No, there's enough evidence that it IS possible. Is it the best way? Definitely not, not in my experience. My master friend got stuck with his duo bot at around diamond 5-4. He reached master as a top with a jungle, though. In my duo adventures of last season, I played support, and my duo played top. What this meant was that almost every game, my top was winning, and I made sure bot was also, and that we had such vision that we always had control at least over the mid/bot side of the map. Even if my top was not winning, at least he wasn't feeding, and then usually bot was winning anyway - and vice versa. And then you can still win. Even if our bot was not doing well, he probably was doing well at least in the top side of the map. So, if you're really serious about climbing, reconsider your roles. Try a support/top approach, or a jungle/something approach. I would advice against adc, as it simply takes too long for you to be impactful in the game with the dreadful supports you're likely to get. But if you just want to duo with your friend in botlane, that's also fine, but maybe it's time to accept that THAT is the real reason you play: to play with your friend, in one lane, and that climbing, as a result, is a bonus, and no longer the main goal. Hope to see you back on the rift soon.
I also want to add that I seriously question your choice of champions. I didn't check your profille, but in the pics you linked, you exclusively played Kai'sa. There's no way you're even halfway decent on her because she's simply so new. You cannot know your limits, what play you can and cannot make, etc. On top of that, it was pretty obvious the champion was rather bad - and if it wasn't obvious to you, then I think this is also part of your problem to climb: you're not thinking enough about what YOU can PERSONALLY do to improve things. The only reason you're probably doing OK on her is because the enemy has even less of a clue of what she does than you guys do. Botlane especially is not just about "im a one trick pony X and that's all I'm gonna play". Botlane is about the support-adc combo you get, and about smart champion choices. Kalista-Taric, Rakan-Xayah, and/or what you pick into their team. Braum if you lack cc, Janna if they stuff like Zac / Rengo, you get the idea. Or maybe you're playing absolute-crush-allin lane, but that would mean you have to be a LOT better than the enemy bot, and to be fair, that's probably not the case. So, ask yourself: why are you really playing? To have fun with your friend and try a new champion? Or to really, seriously, climb? Re-evaluate. Don't confuse yourself. I think you're, maybe, playing for fun more than playing to climb. Playing to climb is not fun. Playing to climb means sacrifice. Means maybe this game you cannot play your favourite champion, means you should ban out something smart rather than something you just hate.
PorterdFnCn (EUNE)
: Real life encounter with a player who trolled my game.
Hey, Saw your post few days ago and didn't have a chance to reply. So in your efforts to climb you're getting frustrated by not climbing because trolls. There's two things I want to say to you and hopefully, slim chance but hopefully, it will help you a little bit. 1) in everything in life, including league, there are "facts of life", or here, "facts of league". Facts of league a) you win some, b) you lose some, and most importantly b) you will always meet players who do not take the game as seriously as you do (either in your, or enemy team). Statistically, over the course of a 1000 games, a) b) and c) even out. What defines a player's ability is not necessarily his skill, but how to deal with really bad luck. Bad luck is what is making your game miserable. The way you handle that is how you can keep playing a game where a lot of strangers and your own personal skill factor in your sense of happiness. For me, that means I /mute all. Toxicity tilts me, and I may not be able to stop myself from returning a few choice words, which will only make it worse for me. It also means that if I lose 3 games in a row, I stop playing - at most, I play aram. Aram allows me to fulfill the "I WANNA GET BACK THERE AND WIN" sense you get after a loss, without actually impacting my own happiness or my mmr in any way. It relaxes me. The other thing I do, if I lose a game, is evaluate where it went wrong. Sure, the 0/11 Zoe mid didn't help. But could I have played better? I redirect my frustration of other players towards a positive thing, in thinking instead where *I* could have improved. Should not have pathed that way through jungle. Shouldn't have backed there. Shouldn't have used heal. Sure, maybe game would still have been lost, but on a personal level, I gained something out of that game. 2) And you may not like hearing this, but if you have really been so serious and playing this game "non casually" since season 1, and you're still barely making it to plat, or even if you barely making it to diamond, you seriously need to reconsider already a long time ago what's wrong. Now, I nearly made it to diamond 5, Plat 99lp last season (normal players would have actually pushed for diamond, but I couldn't be bothered). I'm by no means good or overqualified to give you advice from a player skill perspective, but considering I've reached as much as you, maybe more, in considerably less time spent means that maybe I can allow myself to give you some advice, particularly because I also play bot. And that's the issue. You're playing pre bot. That is one of your biggest problems. You are duoing into a technically solo queue, which means that your fellow team members will automatically be worse than the enemy, unless they also have a duo. That means that statistically, you get a very high chance of having a losing top/mid/jungle: 2 of those are likely to lose. If you think back to your games, you'll realize I'm right. It's to even out the advantage you get by being together on comms and stuff. It makes sense. but because you're duo bot, and not duo something else, you only get to control the bot lane, and, if your mid isn't too atrocious, the bot side of the map. But since 2 out of your 3 teammates are probably useless, you either now have an enemy darius already in your base at 10 minutes, or your mid is going 0/4 and your jungle is getting heavily f**cked. That automatically limits the control you can exert over the map as a duo bot. And that's where you start losing already. I tried duo bot to climb. I was a support main last season, I'm playing adc this one. I will never try to climb as a duo bot ever again. Is it impossible? No, there's enough evidence that it IS possible. Is it the best way? Definitely not, not in my experience. My master friend got stuck with his duo bot at around diamond 5-4. He reached master as a top with a jungle, though. In my duo adventures of last season, I played support, and my duo played top. What this meant was that almost every game, my top was winning, and I made sure bot was also, and that we had such vision that we always had control at least over the mid/bot side of the map. Even if my top was not winning, at least he wasn't feeding, and then usually bot was winning anyway - and vice versa. And then you can still win. Even if our bot was not doing well, he probably was doing well at least in the top side of the map. So, if you're really serious about climbing, reconsider your roles. Try a support/top approach, or a jungle/something approach. I would advice against adc, as it simply takes too long for you to be impactful in the game with the dreadful supports you're likely to get. But if you just want to duo with your friend in botlane, that's also fine, but maybe it's time to accept that THAT is the real reason you play: to play with your friend, in one lane, and that climbing, as a result, is a bonus, and no longer the main goal. Hope to see you back on the rift soon.
: Ummm I won and i still lost lp
Were you flagged afk when the game finished too? Out of curiosity. But 5 mins afk, whole game afk, honestly kinda the same thing, statistically speaking the game is lost when this happens. In the odd chance that it's not, I don't think it's unfair you get punished anyway. If you're having such low framerates I seriously suggest making a serious effort to resolve your pc problems.
: Question
Hello, It shouldn't. Are there any specific problems you're experiencing? MS Security Essentials is an anti-virus like program (if memory serves, been awhile since I used it). Theoretically, if it would be scanning for malicious software on your pc while playing the game, it could be that your game becomes slower.

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