RageSquid (EUW)
: I believe the problem is that you first have to buy RP and then can spend that on purchases. They should put the prices directly on the products their selling.
I think that'd give people the impression that the things they're buying, like the skins, are actually as... expensive as they are. I doubt a lot of people realize how much money they really spend on this game, if you'd ask someone back when they started playing League, like 4 years or so ago, how much money they'll spend, they'd have never guessed that they may spend a few thousand euros on this game. That would obviously not benefit Riot Games, it'd be kind of counterproductive of them to do. ######I myself spent "only" 45€ so far and have had this account for like 6 or 7 years by now
: just realised how shitty the passes are
You wouldn't have this problem if you'd pay in Romanian Leu, 50 Romanian Leu get you exactly 1650RP :^) You see, I think the problem here is if they'd make it so that the pass would cost 1520 RP, the polish would complain that they need to spend an extra 10 zloty just because of 80 RP, or the Danish would complain that they have to pay an extra 80 Danish Koruna just because of 120 RP and so on. You wouldn't solve the problem, you'd just solve it for yourself and create it somewhere else. The real problem is that in a continent like Europe, we have a lot of different currencies with different values, hence these problems.
: I mean I just think it's dumb in general to give an immediate 14 day ban for a word while trolling, inting etc., if not done too often, will basically be unpunished. You are not a Riot employee (Or are you? I don't even know) but you exactly talk like one, instead of focusing on me saying that I don't think it's fair because it wasn't directed to anyone you just explain the same stuff that we already know all over again. Just as when my friend got a 14 day ban for using the word after everyone left in post and Riot completely ignored the fact that it was not targeted and when everyone already left.
I didn't address anything to you because other board users pretty much summed up everything I could've said. If you want Riot to help you, send a ticket to the Riot Support. No one here can help you, everyone here can only offer you their opinion and discuss with you, but if you want actual help, you'll have to write the Riot Support and if they say no, there's nothing you can do about it. You're also right that I said what people already know, and that's because I felt like it was what the person I directed my message at was missing. Also, I'm not a Riot employee, I'm a volunteer worker, so I'm basically a normal community member with a bit of special flair and shiny bling bling. The fact that intentional feeding or trolling goes unpunished if not done too often doesn't have to do with Riot not wanting to punish it, it's just hard to detect, but as soon as they do, they'll punish for it with a 14 day ban and afterwards, a permanent ban.
: so lets just call it something it isnt... much better right?
Now you're acting like it's completely false, which it isn't. Riot doesn't tolerate these words in the game, which is why they punish for them. You're just overcomplicating things. It's like having a debate over whether or not the earth is round. Yeah, it isn't round, it's an oblate spheroid/ellipsoid, but saying it's round is easier for everyone and everyone still understands it, plus it's not completely wrong either.
: then maybe the name should be changed 'zero tolerance' has heavy conotations that Riot's tolerance levels for these phrases is zero, naught, nil, nothing etc etc. if the phrase IS tolerated somewhere within the game (private chats) it, by definition is NOT zero tolerance
If we're exactly going by the dictionary for every little word, like ultra precisely, you're going to create more misunderstandings than you originally wanted to clear up. Most players understand it and if you do just a little research, you'll understand the phrase as well. It's just easier than for *everyone* (both the players and Riot Games) to say "words that can cause an immediate 14 day ban, but don't necessarily have to, and only apply to the in-game, pre-game and post-game chat".
: before continuing, please define zero tolerance to me, this means that phrase is not tolerated AT ALL, any instance results in punishment would you agree?
"Zero tolerance words" in League of Legends refer to words that *can* (doesn't have to be the case) get you the harshest possible punishment for a first offense in toxicity, which is a 14 days ban. Death threats, along with homophobic slurs, racist slurs and so on belong to that category. On the other hand, if you're just being "normal toxic", as in, you call others idiots, noobs and so on, question their mental health, shout at them to stop feeding and all that kind of stuff, you'll start off with a 10 Games Chat Restriction. If you continue this behavior, you get a 25 Games Chat Restriction and only after that do you get the 14 day ban, which writing these "zero tolerance words" can get you as the very first punishment already. For clarification, after a 14 day ban comes a permanent ban, although the next offense doesn't necessarily have to be that, if you prove yourself to be reformed over enough games, it's possible you'll start at a 10 Games Chat Restriction again.
: How to Report people trying to fish account data?
Send a ticket to the Riot Support, they'll look into it: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Though if it's one of these scam websites, I can already tell you that it'll be very hard for Riot Games to do something. They'd have to send these people a legal notice (because you can't just let a website be taken down without going through bureaucracy), but most of the time, they host these websites on servers that are somewhere at the end of the world in a country which doesn't really care for whatever people do.
: Question about "Elo boosting"
>Is it possible to que up as 2 groups of 2 players in duo que and hope to land in the same game as each other? Yes, it is possible, but *very* unlikely to happen, because there are so many players around your MMR going into queue all the time. This is only really realistic in high elo or unpopulated game modes. >And if it is, would it be considered elo boosting, if done with the intent of trying to abuse the system? Like it this would be easy to abuse in 3vs3 flex for example. What you're referring to now already has a name, it's called wintrading and is abused mainly by high elo players who often face each other. The basic idea is that if you meet the other team, you intentionally let them win and if they meet you, they intentionally let you win (you just switch which team wins every now and then). Since you're gaining more LP than you lose in general, you'll still gain LP by doing this. It's NOT allowed and will result in your account getting suspended if found out by Riot Games.
realKano23 (EUNE)
: Why exactly are skin mods not allowed?
First off: Skin mods are not banned on EUW *yet*. So far, they are only banned on the Turkish server. They may get banned here, but they may not get banned. Riot Games will decide this individually for every big region and if they should decide to ban skin modification programs, we will most definitely get an announcement. Their reason for banning them there was basically at the core of it all (ignoring all the jibber-jabber around it) that so many people used it that it started to impact their business, their "money-making", in a negative way. Riot Games said that such programs led to situations in which someone bought a skin, like lets say Battle Boss Yasuo, and then people would flame him for *buying* skins instead of using programs that'd allow him to get the skin for free. The player would obviously then go on to also use the program and flame others for buying skins. The people who originally bought skins would be left with no more satisfaction after their purchase and Riot would be left with less customers. If it went on and on, no one would be left buying skins anymore, but Riot Games still needs to make money to support the servers and their employees somehow, so they obviously had to do something against it. Besides that, there are also certain custom skins used by pro players to more easily distinguish hitboxes, which obviously impacts gameplay in a negative way. However, Riot Games didn't mention this as a reason for banning skin modification programs, which is why I'm only mentioning it as a side-note as well.
E420 (EUW)
: If Riot decides to ban me instantly* for a one time usage of 'k y s' on a clean account with no chat bans/acc bans, others should be too? Idk why it is hard to understand the point of punishing people equally.
Yeah, that's how the system handles it as well, since it's automated and all. But still, there *can* be deviations to that. In your exact case, I don't know why, obviously. I'm not you, I don't know what they exactly did, I don't have any proof, I'm not a Rioter, I can't punish anyone, I can't look through chat logs, I can't see the code of the system,... My point is that those deviations don't really matter though, because if they continue breaking rules, they'll eventually get their permanent ban and if they don't, everything's fine, really. There's no point in being stuck up about how someone should get punished, it isn't about punishment, it's about reforming. Not to mention the effort it is to find out what punishment someone else got, when you can never really say for sure whether someone got punished or not. In the end, you should rather care about your own well-being than that of others. There's nothing you can do about it.
E420 (EUW)
: Still waiting.
I think I already explained it with my last comment, about how you shouldn't care what punishment others get and how the system isn't there for the sake of punishment. Since you didn't seem to get it, I thought I'd leave the conversation at this point, since we're pretty much running in circles.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: Let's say you are in a conversation , you say some stuffs over there and argue with a guy ... , then he starts to flame... then if you just say K^S word without adressing it to anyone , dosn't makes it clear it is adressed to the guy you just spoke , so how this game seems to fight toxicity if i just proove you that , saying a word without to adress to anyone could be toxic... Let's take another freaking exemple i have a friend , every time someone do something stupid he write "Idiot" it dosn't adress it to anyone ,but still is 100% logical that it is adressed to someone even if it isn't sound like that... , so basically i just figured out how you could now be toxic and undetected... , so is this going to be changed or not ??? , or it will stay as it is.
"k^s" isn't a swear word, it's a blatant death threat (and although this doesn't matter, the "you" in the k^s DOES address someone). "idiot" isn't a swear word, it's an insult. "fu ck" is a swear word, not an insult. "fu ck you" is an insult, not a swear word.
E420 (EUW)
: "It's possible that, even if it should be zero tolerance, the system didn't identify it as such and the people got away with a chat restriction, which once again, you don't know." Again there is a point you're missing. If I report people for these death wishes (doesnt matter which version) through client and WEBSITE, it should be an instant 14 days ban. Why the flip do I have an instant 14 days ban, but when I ask the support member to remove it and give a chatban, he says no we dont tolerate such language. BUT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE USE IT, THEY SHOULD GET A CHATBAN INSTEAD? ???????????????????????
Why are you so stuck up about what punishment other people get? If they're toxic, they'll eventually get their 14 day ban and maybe even permanent ban as well, it just needs time. But then again, their accounts aren't yours and it's not really supposed to interest you what happens to their accounts. You don't gain anything by being mad about what punishment they get or don't get. And it doesn't make what you wrote okay either. And the point is: As long as they stop their previous behavior and don't insult other people anymore, the punishment system did what it was made for. It wasn't made to give harsh punishments to people, it was made so people realize their mistakes and stop their previous behavior. In my eyes, if a chat restriction was enough for them to learn their lesson, I don't see the problem, even if their punishment wasn't "fair" in regards to what others got.
E420 (EUW)
: Mate you dont even know whats going on behind the scenes. I am stalking 4 people (as you can see in my tickets), some of them getting away with something that is zero tolerance and should instantly jump to 14 days ban. My other account was clean, never had chatbans, used K Y S once and got instantly banned for 14 days. As you can also see in the little part the support member picked, you can see those are just general usages of "WTF", as a shocked reaction to something. I have no idea in what world you guys live.
>I am stalking 4 people (as you can see in my tickets), some of them getting away with something that is zero tolerance and should instantly jump to 14 days ban. My other account was clean, never had chatbans, used K Y S once and got instantly banned for 14 days. It's possible that, even if it should be zero tolerance, the system didn't identify it as such and the people got away with a chat restriction, which once again, you don't know. >As you can also see in the little part the support member picked, you can see those are just general usages of "WTF", as a shocked reaction to something. And I don't mean to say that I have more knowledge than this Riot Support person, however, I'm guessing the Riot Supporter there either wasn't completely informed about the situation or they did a "small mistake" that you're kind of picking out here. We have no knowledge or evidence indicating whatsoever that cussing or swearing (expressions like "what the fu ck" or "fu ck") can lead to a punishment. We DO have knowledge and evidence indicating the exact opposite though: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player >The following are behaviors that would not be acted on by our disciplinary systems: [...] * Strong language that does not insult or demean other people. (We also have multiple links by the old Riot Lyte talking about this and saying that swearing doesn't result in any punishment, but those links are old and hard to navigate through x) This article by the Riot Support was edited by the way, it used to have an example of a gangplank saying something along the lines of "Shiver me timbers that tower fu cked me harder than a whole demacian army!")
E420 (EUW)
: Just a list I created personally with do's and don't in LoL for future reference: You're allowed to say: - End your life - Spin of a cliff You're not allowed to say: - Fxxx - what the fxxx - (you) drunk and mad - kill yourself (depends if the reading support person is unbiased). Gl on the Rift!
As the Supporter clarified multiple times, they don't disclose what they do with other peoples accounts. It's perfectly possible these people did get punished and you're just unaware of it. For clarifications sake, I can 100% tell you that writing death threats in League of Legends is **not** okay. I can also 100% tell you that solely writing "fu ck" or "what the fu ck" to cuss is fine. Riot doesn't ban for cussing or swearing, as long as it's not directed at a person (e.g. "fu ck you").
MasterB111 (EUNE)
: Just a random idea :D
Riot has already gotten this suggestion a few times in the past and 2 years ago, they made a statement about it: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/05/ask-riot-classic-mode/ Since they haven't said anything since, I'm guessing their stance hasn't changed. However, as they also kind of indicated, if a lot of players would want it, they *could* invest a lot of resources into doing it. I'm just posting this here for the sake of... informing you in case you weren't aware yet. ######Edit: Seems like someone beat me to it by two minutes <.<
Hansiman (EUW)
: Bots are banned in large waves, as it actually makes it harder for the creators of these programs to dodge bans in the future. Each time you ban an account for botting, the creator of bot tools can use it to adapt their programs to help avoid detection in the future, thus making them harder to detect. So sure, at low levels you will sadly encounter some bots, but they do ultimately end up banned once the next wave hits.
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jÖhNyP (EUNE)
: BOTS
Bots, just like 3rd party programs, get banned in waves, not individually. Since you reported them (if they really are bots) they'll be added to a list and some random day, they'll get banned along with many other bots. This is done in this fashion because if Riot were to immediately ban bots or other 3rd party program users upon detection, it'd provide them way faster with the information that they got detected and in the end, could lead to loopholes getting detected much quicker. If the people who make these bots find a loophole and manage to abuse it, the total number of bots over the long term would be way higher. And no matter if Riot Games bans every bot upon detection or not, as soon as one of them is banned, two new ones appear to replace it anyways. In the end, there'll always be bots, no matter what Riot Games does and this is just an attempt to at least keep the number of them as low as possible on the long term. So, to answer your question: No, botting is not allowed and will eventually get you banned (just not immediately).
: lolskin is the reason for the ban?
No, not yet at least. It may get banned on the EU servers as well, but if Riot Games should decide that, they will most definitely make another announcement to warn everyone beforehand.
JazzGrazz (EUNE)
: Old timer back in business
Whatever problem there was with your boards account is most likely now resolved, because whenever you create a post or comment something, you update your boards profile. About the other stuff... I don't know. You can try and contact the Riot Support, maybe they can help you: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Though 7 years is a really long time, I wouldn't be surprised if they did some clean-up during that time and just deleted your data, but only the Riot Support can tell you about that, so that's only a speculation on my part.
: PBE username recovery
You can send a ticket to the Riot Support and they can look into it: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new I can't promise you that they'll be able to get you your username, but it should be possible, since usually, a PBE account is linked to an account on the live servers.
: We did it lads
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/335782456282316800/608633615940583426/penguins.jpg
Xalin (EUW)
: Okay thanks its so good to know that I can do these kind of stuff without getting punished. Everyone in my team will flame and call out for report so I want every single one of them to get banned for that because that happened to me for just saying report one time.
You see, I'm not sure if you can do it. By what you've been writing here, it seems like your **INTENTION** in playing ad soraka would be to get your team to flame you, but as I said, your intention needs to be to genuinely win the game. If your intention is just to tilt your own team, then you're trolling, and that is punishable. Also, you don't get punished for report calling others. What gets you punished is the insulting and toxicity that comes with it. Even then, you won't get banned for "just saying report one time". You won't. You won't even get a chat restriction because of doing that one time. If you do it regularly, sure, but doing it once won't get you anything, not to mention even if you're only report calling regularly, you'll have to show other kinds of toxicity along with it to get punished. To get banned solely for report calling is even closer to impossibility, since you need to go through a 10 Games Chat Restriction, a 25 Games Chat Restriction AND a 14 day ban before getting an actual permanent ban. So no matter what you want to tell me or anyone else, you didn't get banned "for just saying report one time".
: Then, what privileges exactly are you expecting people who invest money in the game to get? They already get the products they pay money for and you're obviously thinking they should get some kind of privilege when it comes to punishments, else, you wouldn't have mentioned it. What you are saying is true, but people lose their skins once they are banned. Therefore, lose their time and money. Also it is normal to treat better someone who is loyal to you. You don't treat your friends and total strangers the same way do you? > That's not the case. You can send a ticket to the Riot Support and there, another human will take a look at it again. If you still believe the judgement to be unfair, you can come to these boards or reddit and if the community there agrees with you, Riot will eventually be forced to make a statement. Been there done that sadly. No result! Sadly, in modern times like these, your IP address doesn't really say a lot. The most they can infer from that is the city, town or country you live in, but once again, who is to say you didn't just give your account away to someone you know? What if you used a VPN? What if you moved somewhere else? And even if you wanted to, you couldn't just give them access to your whole PC, hardware ID and everything so they could really check everything, that'd be illegal and cause a lot of problems for Riot Games. Everything can be proven. They are just not giving you the chance. So pretty much you are losing your account to their laziness. When someone else banned it. You are innocent, but you cannot prove anything. This is just put you down to the mud.
>What you are saying is true, but people lose their skins once they are banned. Therefore, lose their time and money. Also it is normal to treat better someone who is loyal to you. You don't treat your friends and total strangers the same way do you? If you're in front of a court, do you get treated differently depending on how much money you gave to the judge? Maybe, but that's illegal and corrupted. If I had to judge some random person and my friend, I may not be neutral and actually be in favor for my friend (out of favoritism), but that'd also be corrupted and why I wouldn't get to judge my friend. >Everything can be proven. They are just not giving you the chance. So pretty much you are losing your account to their laziness. When someone else banned it. You are innocent, but you cannot prove anything. This is just put you down to the mud. Yes, that's also what I accepted, a lot of things can be proven, but sadly, to prove your innocence in this case, unless you have some hard evidence for yourself, would be illegal. When someone committed a crime, like lets say bribery, you aren't allowed to simply film that person and everything they do and bring that to court. No matter if they committed a crime, by just taking footage of them like that, you're also breaking the law of most countries and committing a crime yourself. There are boundaries to everything. And they are there for a good reason, else, they'd be abused. Just like Riot Games accessing *all* of your data could help you prove your innocence in this case, other services could abuse it to sell your data away, track you down, send your data to sketchy third parties,...
Snikos1234 (EUNE)
: ***
I was silver in season 5 and 6, even if that's not any achievement tbh x)
: Once again you are missing the "time". Also you are acting like money isn't important, money in a way represents a person's time and work that they have given to the community. I don't see how it makes it pay-to-win to take into account that people are spending time into your product. Also I haven't said anywhere that people paying shouldn't be punished. I would say that it is pretty easy to distinguish between trolling and playing badly. Also they won't be biased as they haven't been in that game. People will always try to look unbiased at the plays. Also as a lot of people are going to look into it its going to be a good decision by the whole. This system I guess has been tried long time ago, as I don't remember it and I guess the player base hasn't been that big at that point so it wasn't that fast back then, but now it will be. Most games allow you to question and to try to remove your ban. Riot are clearly avoiding that. Exactly! As it is hard to prove you can't say it is wrong. And the way the rules are made they are trying to not allow you to be standing up for yourself. I'm happy to oblige and prove it either through VPN or IP address. I'm ok if they ban the IP that has used my account during my permaban game. But really Riot try not to do much about it like they don't care about the community. Also they are acting like hypocrites, so bringing the player view and the player vote into the game would improve the whole LoL experience.
>Once again you are missing the "time". Also you are acting like money isn't important, money in a way represents a person's time and work that they have given to the community. I don't see how it makes it pay-to-win to take into account that people are spending time into your product. Also I haven't said anywhere that people paying shouldn't be punished. Then, what privileges exactly are you expecting people who invest money in the game to get? They already get the products they pay money for and you're obviously thinking they should get *some* kind of privilege when it comes to punishments, else, you wouldn't have mentioned it. >Most games allow you to question and to try to remove your ban. Riot are clearly avoiding that. That's not the case. You can send a ticket to the Riot Support and there, another human will take a look at it again. If you still believe the judgement to be unfair, you can come to these boards or reddit and if the community there agrees with you, Riot will eventually be forced to make a statement. >I'm happy to oblige and prove it either through VPN or IP address. Sadly, in modern times like these, your IP address doesn't really say a lot. The most they can infer from that is the city, town or country you live in, but once again, who is to say you didn't just give your account away to someone you know? What if you used a VPN? What if you moved somewhere else? And even if you wanted to, you couldn't just give them access to your whole PC, hardware ID and everything so they could really check *everything*, that'd be illegal and cause a lot of problems for Riot Games.
Xalin (EUW)
: Let me pick soraka adc then and I will report every single person that says 'report soraka he picked adc he is trolling'. They are report calling me and thats toxic right ? I got reported for that and I will make sure everyone will get banned for saying report to me. Picking soraka adc going infinity edge is so good that nobody can say its trolling. I'm sorry you are right :/
Sure, play Soraka ADC all you want, as long as you genuinely try your best and want to win, it's fine. If you end up losing more games due to that, that's entirely on you as well though and if in turn your MMR or rank goes down the drain, the same goes for that. The system doesn't punish you in any way or form for just genuinely playing bad or playing in an unusual way that does not follow what is considered to be META because by doing so, you'll lose more games till you eventually end up on an elo where people either play the exact same way as you or where people follow the META but even so perform just as bad/good as you. Though on the other hand, if you're actually winning a lot of matches by playing off-META, you'll obviously climb. To a certain extent, experimentation is also needed when it comes to META, the META didn't just get created out of nowhere. The META is a result of countless players playing in all kinds of ways or analyzing the stats of champions till they find something that works really well. This of course also differentiates depending on the skill level of people. Annie mid may be really strong and easy to play in low elo, but it may be completely different in high elo.
: The Community should be able to decide some part of the rules in the ToS
>1) I think that the money and the time a player has put into an account should be considered. That'd make the game pay-to-win, in a sense, just that it's more like "If you pay enough, you can avoid the rules". I at least believe it's very, very wrong to give special privileges to people on the basis of money they invest (or even time), that already sounds very corrupted. Just treat everyone equally. >2) Would be good if players could have an overwatch as in CSGO and look at the player and decide if he deserves punishment (Just look at it from the players side). There used to be this kind of system, it was called the Tribunal. However, like usual when a game is this huge, it took weeks for someone to be punished and by that time, people most likely already forgot that they played that specific game they ended up getting punished for. By what we know, the current system works way faster and also accurately. Please note this was only ever done for chat toxicity, not for intentional feeding or trolling. In regards to these, I'd find it questionable if the community got to judge what is trolling and what is not though, because I think the community can be really... assuming in regards to trolling sometimes. Like if someone is playing bad, towerdives at stupid times, plays it bad when getting towerdives and as a result dies a lot, they're not inting, they're just bad at the game, which shouldn't and isn't punished in any way (other than them losing MMR). Then again, maybe my expectations of the community are too low and they'd actually be really good at it. Please note that by that, I mean that while I think a large part of the community would be good enough to judge this kind of stuff, there are some who I believe would be enough to already cause disturbances in that system. The first punishment people get for trolling / intentionally feeding is a 14 days ban and right after that comes a permanent ban, so these punishments are quite harsh and it'd be very bad if it hit innocent people, which Riot Games also wants to avoid as much as they can. It'd bring the same problem with it though that once again, the system would most likely be *very* slow at punishing people. >3) The ToS LoL provides include the idea that they can just strip you of your account pretty much whenever they decide and once again you can hardly stand up to them (I believe that is pretty much equal to a crime). The ToS of pretty much any online game are the exact same, really. It's just an insurance they plant there so they're safe at all times. Really randomly suspending people for no reason would be **very** counterproductive. They need players in order to get money and survive after all, if they take away their players, how will they do that? Even if they only ban a few, if their stories get out, there'd be a huge outrage. Besides, as far as I can tell, Riot has always been very fair when it came to punishments. >Another example is that Riot say that they don't give players "second chances". At the same time, they encourage people to make new accounts instead of using their old ones (because they are banned), which pretty much is like giving a second chance. This pretty much shows Riot either being too lazy to respond to people so they kind of try to get the least possible people requiring their bans lifted or they just want to get even more money, when you once again buy something from the new account. In overall, what they say Riot are shown as hypocrites. How would they stop you from creating a new account? They can't, there's no way to do that unless you're somehow a known person, like a streamer or youtuber. They can get ID bans, meaning all of their accounts get banned upon detection, if they're proven to be very toxic, like Tyler1 used to be. It's not like Riot doesn't believe in second chances at all though, it's just that if you didn't already reform after a 14 days ban, you're statistically seen *very* unlikely to ever reform at all, it's not worth the effort for them to give everyone a second a chance when only a few people will actually make use of that and the rest will only get an extension of the time they can use to annoy others. On the other hand personally weeding out everyone to give a second chance to by reviewing their smurfs or something would be a lot of work and would most likely also not pay off. >I have had my account banned, while I wasn't playing from it. The way the ToS is made I can hardly get my ban lifted or removed. It's not because of the Terms of Use, it's just that you're responsible for what happens on your account and there is no way for you to prove to Riot Games that *you* weren't the one either breaking the rules yourself or voluntarily giving the account to someone you know so they could break the rules. The easiest way to go about this is to either properly secure your account by using a different password for every service, keeping your E-Mail save and not sharing any of your data with anyone you know OR to keep an eye on your account and contact the Riot Support as soon as you notice any abnormalities, preferably before there's a punishment on your account.
: why do people get banned when the mute button exists
>why do you have to chat restrict players for talking or flaming when that person can be muted ? Muting someone only reduces all further damage, it can't undo what has already been done. It's like putting on a bulletproof vest after getting shot once: Sure, further shots won't hurt you anymore, but you still suffer the damage from the first bullet. Of course, you could now argue that if you can't stand toxicity, you should simply mute everyone at the start of a game. Some people do that already. However, you can't expect the majority of players to mute *everyone* at the start of every game, sacrificing their ability to communicate with each other, only because a minority of players think it's cool to be jerks to each other. If it was the other way around, this could probably be discussed, but society (at least the one I live in) doesn't insult each other at every chance they get. You won't meet a random stranger and have them call you an idiot out of nowhere, just like your boss at a job won't. And even if it may sometines seem like it, the majority of league players won't just call you an idiot either. There's maybe one person in a game that does it and because they're the most "memorable" for you, you only remember how that person insulted you and not how the other 8 players didn't. >it's like you don't have to give your opinion, you don't have to tell people to try and stop dying, it's like you hould ALWAYS e supportive, wp lee keep up the feed 0/10 gold 1 u can do it !!!! You seem to have a big misunderstanding here: When someone is performing bad, you have one more option than encouraging or flaming that person. This option would be to simply say nothing and keep quiet. Doing so won't get you punished in any way, it won't annoy anyone, you won't make anyone your enemy and your team can keep on communicating about the important things like normal. It's also the easiest option, because you really have to do nothing at all, except to control your temper. >why do people get SUSPENDED for TALKING ??? why not renew the chat restrict to 100 games + ?? You don't get punished for talking, you get punished for flaming and insulting others. If you simply type like normal, you won't get punished. Else, we'd all be banned by now. Back when Riot Games experimented with the system and introduced chat restrictions, that's also precisely what they did: They didn't permanently suspend people, instead, you could get chat restricted for thousands of games (basically, permanently). It didn't work out. People found ways around it to still harass players they didn't like for whatever reason, like intentionally feeding or trolling. The only problem is that these methods are way harder to detect for Riot Games. So it only really increased the time it took for people to get permanently suspended unnecessarily. Through this experimenting, they found out that if someone doesn't change their behavior after receiving a 10 Games Chat Restriction and a 25 Games Chat Restriction, any further Chat Restrictions are unlikely to help, which is why these are the only two types of Chat Restrictions that still exist and are used at this point.
SlothSex (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IZ52ewQp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-06T17:56:10.223+0000) > > Since you're saying the account is very old and you got no clue when it got suspended, I'll just take the completely wild guess that your account was suspended 14 days before the 6th of April 2016. It's probably "bugged" because after your suspension, you didn't log into your account anymore. So my guess now would be that you have to either wait 14 days or that if you restart your client and everything, it'll work again. You could also contact the Riot Support and ask them about it: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Lol what? Punishments timer starts only when I click Accept? That is so stupid. More like 3 years have been served... Waiting 14 more days... You got to be kidding me. I relogged many times... It doesn't go away.
In that case, as I said, you should try contacting the Riot Support. They know more about the situation and can actually help you, I can't do anything.
SlothSex (EUW)
: Riot = FAIL. And I got proof. (Suspended until April of 2016 :D)
Since you're saying the account is very old and you got no clue when it got suspended, I'll just take the completely wild guess that your account was suspended 14 days before the 6th of April 2016. It's probably "bugged" because after your suspension, you didn't log into your account anymore. So my guess now would be that you have to either wait 14 days or that if you restart your client and everything, it'll work again. You could also contact the Riot Support and ask them about it: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: Hey Riot devs, can you handle multiple cases in your code, much appreciated
That is weird. If someone was AFK for at least 90 seconds by the 3 minute mark, and there was no first blood before they left the game, you will be allowed to remake. Seeing as it works that way, it makes no sense that you weren't allowed to remake when someone disconnected 30 seconds after the game started.
Kurotsu (EUW)
: Theory question about LP
Then you'd have diamond smurfs facing off against bronze players, completely destroying them and the bronze players losing 20 LP because of it. This would happen for quite a while for this diamond smurf as well, because he only gains 20 LP and because there is no MMR, he will *always* face players of the elo he is currently climbing through, so for the most part, people of a lower skill level than him. Or someone who just got out of his placements and has the skill of an iron 3 playing with and against silver players, destroying their matches, and everyone getting/losing 20 LP. In short, it could lead to really unbalanced situations and people would concur huge losses from these situations (or wins, but humans tend to not focus on what is to gain in these situations).
: Difficult to say without seeing the game itself, could you link us the match history or share the summoner name you played under (as the one you’ve posted on apparently has no games played).
That's most likely because there are problems with the match history at the moment.
: if they got banned before creation of smurf isn't that against rules?
No, even people who have gotten their accounts banned are allowed to create new accounts. The only exception are people who have received ID bans, which doesn't happen and is impossible unless you're somehow known, like Tyler1 was.
: why scripting caitlyns don't get banned?
There is no script capable of making you deal more damage. At most, there are scripts that can make you side-step skillshots, time combos or stuff like that. There is really no way, and I mean none at all, even with scripts, cheats and what-do-I-know, to deal more damage in League of Legends (except for making use of the mechanics of your champion or buying items).
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: and griefing attitude how is punished ?? , i mean when someone trolls and not play actually to win , such as not using spells , moving other lanes while he shouldn't such actions .. , i mean where i should put them if not on negative attitude.
Since you can report for multiple reasons, you can report for... well, whatever you think fits the most. In that case, intentional feeding and negative attitude probably fit the best, if you ask me.
: For some reason I've been very lucky with reports. I seem to get messages that the appropriate action has been taken against rule breakers for just minor toxicity etc. I don't know if your report hold different value and that my report has "earned" more value??
There is no difference in report value. There used to be, but since the tribunal has been removed, the whole concept of report value has also been removed, since the system now is capable of investigating every single report in a matter of at most a few minutes after a game ended. It's also important to note that you won't always get report feedback. Even if someone gets punished, you may not receive report feedback. It doesn't always appear.
: How does the ban system work ?
How do you know that person didn't get punished in any way?
Εlin (EUW)
: Can I be punished for my username?
Your name is Vel Koz and not Vel'Koz, so I don't see a problem. Then again, even if there was a problem, they'd at most ask you to change your name and that'd be it.
: well the system either doesent work properly or you have wrong information ... why do i say that ? cause i still remember well when few seasons back i saw the same dude literaly running it down 3 games in a row without getting puhished ... so my guess was feeding/losing on purpose wasnt punished at all let alone after one game ...
My information isn't wrong and intentional feeding DOES get punished. It's just that the system is bad at detecting it, so it can go unpunished a lot of the times. However, if it does get detected, it also gets punished. Obviously, it's not entirely that easy for an automated system to detect patterns in someones playstyle and reliably punish them for intentional feeding. The first punishment for intentional feeding is a 14 day ban, which you can get after just one offense of intentional feeding. If you are detected intentionally feeding after that again, you go straight to a permanent ban. If the system were to give out such lengthy bans to innocent people, that'd be way worse than if the system were to just not punish some actual offenders. That aside, it's not my job to defend Riot Games and I won't: They definitely have work to do when it comes to detecting intentional feeders (even if I sadly can't give them any advice because I got no clue about coding either).
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: Can i suggest something , why do we don't get a counter posiblity which likely show us how many people got punished during our reports , if we request on support.. , could such a thingh be possible , i mean ,is totaly safe and only tells us that you doing your work as rioters , not exactly you because you are volunter here , but i mean you could tell rioters to implent a function like this... Rather than get messages like the one who pops-up , a message showing number of people punished due to your reports sounds more chill and cool to see how many people who disrupted your games at least got punished. Also i have an ideea ... if we reported 100 players disruptive who got punished ... , so we can get a honor capsule for that , likely for our efforts of staying cool and chill when such behaviour hit us.. , 1 capsule at 100 players punished for toxic behaviour isn't much ,considering they anyway will not get hextech content after getting punished , probably some of them will get 14 days ban or permanent ... , so i think we should deserve something on top of the fact we get insulted daily + trolled+griefers/lose lp/time and even risk our honor level if we get angry and talk inappropriate to them , so the thinghs would look at least more likely better...
I can't tell Riot to implement features or things like that, if you have changes that you think would be good, you can create a post and depending on how the community reacts to your feedback, Riot may consider it. Since almost everything is done on NA, your best bet would be to create a post on the NA Boards: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com If I were to want some change to be implemented, I could for sure poke certain Rioters about it, but they'd most likely ignore me or may even be annoyed to the point where they break up contact with us (since Rioters who are not community managers mostly decide voluntarily to have contact with us, though I doubt they'd just break up their contact with us, but it is possible). Even for me, the best bet would be to create a post and see how it is received. Only if a post gets an overwhelming amount of attention, I'd really consider poking some Rioter about it (if they didn't already see it). Then again, since most of that stuff happens on NA and we don't have a lot to do with it, this would probably be something an NA Volunteer would be more likely to ever do. That aside, if you're asking me for what I think, I think that while it may be cool at first, people would stop caring about such a function after looking at it once. It doesn't seem worth the effort to me for something that'll most likely be ignored by players. The honor system is supposed to show that you're behaving good, not that you're reporting people. Rewarding people for reporting others may only encourage them to spam report everyone, since there are no downsides to it either. When the tribunal system introduced small IP rewards for successfully punishing someone, people just punished everyone, I'd expect a similar response here. Though then again, that's only my opinion and as I said, you can try creating a post on the NA boards and maybe, contrary to my expectations, people would actually really want to look at these stats and get rewards for reporting people. I can only speak for myself.
Rinart73 (EUW)
: Did Riot stop informing when reported player gets punished?
These messages still exist (in fact I got one not too long ago), but Riot has set them to only rarely appear after someone was punished. So not getting one doesn't mean someone didn't get punished. It has been like this last season as well. Riots reasoning for this was that about 20% of the playerbase wasn't interested in these pop ups *at all*, so always getting them may have been seen as "spam". This change was already quite a few years ago though.
Economi (EUW)
: The system doesn't really work like that. For the most part its automated. With thousands and thousands of games starting and constantly ongoing, there is no way they can go through the reports. So they have some kind formula. As an example you would have to get reported for Intentionally Feeding by at least x players in a single game, for X games before you would be highlighted. The system may just throw out a warning, in which you have to type I AGREE, for lesser offences. Or may prompt an automatic chat ban, or may even flag up for human investigation if serious enough If a player has a game where they feed, or int, or spam chat, as long as they pick up their behaviour in the next few games. That behaviour will go unnoticed and unpunished by the system. I think that Riot will never tell us exactly what the formula is, but I personally think that its highly unlikely that any action would come from 1 game. Unless all 9 players reported them I guess.
The system is almost completely automated, the only manual reviews there are is when you contact the Riot Support. All other reports *always* trigger a review, no matter how many people reported that person in that game (since the system is an automated "bot" anyways, so it's not as much of a load for it as it would be on a human). However, depending on how severe someones behavior was, it's possible the system needs multiple games of them being toxic to act on it: We all have bad days or that one person that just triggered us and punishing people when they're not really toxic but just had one falling out wouldn't make sense, because there's nothing they can really improve (this only applies to light chat toxicity, not to things like intentional feeding, nor to death threats, racism and so on). The system isn't intended to punish people for the sake of it, but to make them rethink their behavior and improve it. The only time when you get a warning where you have to type "I AGREE" is when you get hit by the Leaverbuster for the very first time, this warning doesn't exist for any other offenses.
Ael0n (EUW)
: Got permabanned
It's very unlikely, but I can't tell for sure. You'll have to send a ticket to the Riot Support and they will have to look into it: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Riryz (EUW)
: alright then, they said they were working on adding it back into the game. maybe its gone now on pbe but it will not go into live.
It'll be back soon. https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1156297682152898560 <--- link to a tweet where Mark Yetter says so ######Oh right, I think you said so? I don't know, may have misunderstood your comment
Biatek (EUNE)
: Racial slurs
It's not as known, but I can definitely see it as being just as bad as other racial slurs. Racism, xenophobia, sexism,... are all punished the exact same by the IFS and I don't see any evidence indicating that racial slurs such as the n word are punished harsher than other racial slurs. If you are racist, xenophobic, sexist,... in-game, you'll get a 14 day ban, no matter if it was for example because of racism or sexism, both get the same punishment.
shangxin (EUW)
: mod skin yay or nay?
At the moment, you won't get banned for it. HOWEVER, Riot can change their stance at any time and just like on the turkish server, they may decide to ban for using this program in EU as well. When they do decide to ban for it, they will most definitely make an announcement though and inform people of it beforehand.
MY WlENER (EUW)
: Using LOL skin changer is bannable?
**At the moment**, it is not bannable. HOWEVER, Riot Games can change their stance on this any time and their stance varies from region to region. For example, Riot Games will ban anyone using such a program in Turkey and they will soon follow up in other smaller regions like Russia. This decision is very recent and as such, it is possible Riot Games will also follow up in EUW and EUNE with these changes soon (though it is not set in stone that they will actually do so!). If they should decide to ban these programs in EUW and EUNE as well, they will most definitely make another announcement on the News page that will be featured in the client though, or maybe even send E-Mails to people. If you're reading the News page on the client every now and then, you should basically be informed in case they change their stance some day. That aside, these programs are still a grey area and you should always be careful. If you want your account to be completely save, don't use any 3rd party programs and just play the game normally, else no one can 100% guarantee the safety of your account.
: rito support
If you already asked the same question in the past and they answered that time, with a reply like "We don't disclose how we handle stuff", it's possible they took a look at your history before replying and concluded that, since you're asking the same question as back then, you're looking to complain about something they already told you they can tell you nothing about. Ignoring saves them way more time than answering a question you already got an answer to in the past, meaning they'll be able to take care of more requests. Though I don't work for the Riot Support, so it's possible they may have other reasons for acting the way they do. That aside, what kind of answer would you expect from them? It takes Riot as long to fix bugs as it takes, since "long" and "short" are subjective opinions, it's kind of hard answering that question. Of course, it is possible that recently, people working to fix bugs have been sick a lot, or that some of them left Riot and this caused a shortage in manpower, but those things are either private / internal information or the Riot Support just doesn't know about it.
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