: 100+ games played. My feedback so far.
100% agree. Biggest problem i've faced are %%%%%%ed players who all pick a full squishy team and just lose the game outright.
Nàzgul (EUW)
: I think the problem is that we are still playing the game, because we love it, so, just like a bad girlfriend/boyfriend, we always get back into it, just for the sake of old days. But we should move on, without any rant, which is hard, I know. I mean, I've literally quit this game at least a dozen of times before, and still got back into it. So, maybe we should just move on and let Rito figure out why they have a shitty game and a shitty community. Because we, the ones that care about the game, are the ones that keep this game alive. We are the ones that struggle hard to carry games, and help noobs get free elo. Even when you know you are the only one that makes a difference in your match and give up, your shitty team still doesn't surrender, because they know, that once again, you might carry them.
Riot don't care XD They have China. And the Chinese in game client has a "order me KFC" button. I WISH I was joking
Bokan (EUW)
: The improvement isnt only happening in small changes. Most people simply follow the Rules + i guess including yourself. Everyone follows the "Meta", it simply gets repetetive, only simply changes like doing one hit more or less wont change the View on yourself, thinking you would improve. The thruth is, nothing changed, your pattern didnt changed, you just think ignite and flash is a must have and you need to show of with the things that are given to you. It is like with Riven Players gettin fed and think they have gotten invincible cause they are so skillfull. I just takes one Player to change you mind and make you lose BUT if you always encounter the same Enemys following your Way of Playing and they are still learning to become a "Master", you will get the feeling, only noobs join your Games. Be Imaginative, cause the Games changes, Strategies are changing, Gaming behavior is changing, People are Ugly and everyone wants to be "that" Riven, Akali, Talon, Twitch that plays like a %%%%%. Awwww The Good ol Times with Mundo coming out of the Jungle. Original plays are RARE these days. + Most people dont even have the Guts to end a Game and /or trying to make a Comeback in the most "impossible" way. You know? Football is changing too. If you believe me or not it is.
That's a whole heap of bull you got there
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Whats that supposed to mean?
: I can choose any type of vocabulary i want. This was written with emotion and passion. I didn't go and cool down, i just typed what was on my heart and kept it honest.
Lol no. You are being a %%%%ing child. Regardless, what you said is very true. But is coming to the forum to ask for support really a smart idea? No. No its not. Most of the players here are biased and cant take critisism. They are really snowflakey. No point contacting riot support too, they will just print what yoy write them and pass it round to laugh at your expense because you are being really pathetic. You cant win at this. Just do what I and other players who share your same gripes over the game and move onto another game like guild wars 2. Far less cancer.
: So let's get some feedback for the team. I can't fix it but I can definitely share the concerns. So if towers are not in a good place right now what is the core problem and how should it be addressed in your opinion?
These concerns/comments have been repeated for months. Just saying, collecting feedback or "pretending to do busy work" has not accomplished anything and and sure as shit wont amount to anything in future. But i guess looking like Riot cares probably does shut a few people up for a while.
: Pretty much. If you dont have any evidence they say "its just your personal bias i can assure you the system works you just have to report them etc" and community downvotes you to oblivion, if you show them evidence they stop responding.
It's a well known method to silence you. They are quite content to continue the toxic environment were trolls have become dominant. Simply, the trolls have won. They love that they can troll the shit out of anyone with out consequence while they report and get banned anyone who demonstrates frustration over their bullshit. It's just power abuse at this point.
: > [{quoted}](name=GarySeagull,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=XJ74TLuA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-11T21:05:20.957+0000) > > The most you will get from these forums is that its all apparently your fault and you should improve. Buddy, I know your frustrated, But keep calm and focus, I don't flame or fight with anyone as 1 evil cannot kill another evil.
I'm quite calm. I'm just not going to sugar coat anything. I'm just being honest.
: Alot of afk's recently,
The most you will get from these forums is that its all apparently your fault and you should improve.
Keyah (EUW)
: What do you like/dislike about the Ranked System in League?
Dislikes: 1. I hate that it's very common to encounter trolls/afk's despite it being a "serious mode" game mode. 2. To continue point 1, games are decided the majority of the time on who has the troll/afk. 3. Brand new lvl 30 accounts are placed around silver 3-1. This makes it an infuriating barricade of vastly different skill levels just before gold (where most players aim to achieve). 4. A solo player is at a substantial disadvantage. Solo players have to compete against duo partners who have a co-ordination advantage and voice-chat advantage. 5. There is 0 compensation to losing a game when there is an afk on the team. 6. to continue point 5, there is 0 compensation despite carrying the entire team, having the majority of the kills, destroying the majority of towers and securing the objectives while the rest of the team are unable to locate their genitals. Likes: None. Normals are less toxic.... heck.... ARAM matches are actually far more enjoyable for the most part and A LOT less toxic.
Coxis (EUNE)
: lol, nice interpretation :) Wish you best of luck! {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
lol "interpretation" whatever allows you to sleep at night. Wish you the best of luck!
: Hope you watched the videos :)
It's like talking to a brick wall, am I right?
Coxis (EUNE)
: Cuz I don't think I have anything of value to add. I mean, I understand your opinions and I get where they're coming from, and I respect them. But I don't think that anything that I would say about the IFS and punishments, would actually add any value in this possible debate, neither for you, nor for me, nor for anybody else reading it. :)
> [{quoted}](name=Coxis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lnVUYpis,comment-id=0003000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-07-11T16:16:23.573+0000) > > Cuz I don't think I have anything of value to add. > > I mean, I understand your opinions and I get where they're coming from, and I respect them. But I don't think that anything that I would say about the IFS and punishments, would actually add any value in this possible debate, neither for you, nor for me, nor for anybody else reading it. :) Translation: "You provided pretty good evidence to support your argument! But because I don't have the balls to admit it, I will not acknowledge it, comment upon it or admit that you are in fact right. I will only refer to it as an opinion in an attempt to invalidate your argument"
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Some one defo got triggered. Just trying to point out the hypocrisy of the punishment system. I was not insulting anyone. End of story. Now, can you piss off and wave your SJW flag elsewhere?
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} i'll be waiting for a proper answer
Ignores evidence = not a proper answer. Logic lvl 99
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
whatever you want to believe mate, you can read into it however you like but that does not make you right. Anything can be used an an offensive term if that's the mentality. If that's the case half of the posts on this thread can be considered a form of harassment. I'm not sorry it triggered over sensitive people and never will.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Lmao. Nah. More for being a jerk and not giving any shit as you just strive to stirr up a scandal without providing any evidence at all
W/e if you want evidence just go on my boards profile. Ohh wait, you wont. Cause you are the one looking to stirr shit.
: Youtube videos: Highest winrate master yi(0-450 with tahm kench) Highest winrate teemo(2% winrate on heimer in over 200 games) Teemo XDD(name of video) Reddit topic: Apocalypse running down mid in 20+ games d1+
I was going to mention that account with 450+ tahm kench games. There are many many MANY other accounts just like that one.
Coxis (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=GarySeagull,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lnVUYpis,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-09T09:03:27.142+0000) > > Whats worse is these offending players know they can get away with it and have done for years. Unless you are one of 'em and had the experience, you can't know that. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
I'm sorry but the phrase "as long as you don't type anything you won't get punished" is quite widely known.
: If they would punish "bad Language" same hard like the "bad Players". It would not feel like hypocrite.
If they actually punished trolls/afk'ers the quality of games would dramatically increase. And i'm sure as shit the levels of toxicity would actually decrease by a LOT too.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: wow. this shows pretty much the reason you got banned
what? for calling out malpractice and power abuse? Ok then. It's still BS
MasterKota (EUNE)
: hey man relax. dont try argueing with the people on these forums. They are prob the ones ruining games and reporting the people who flame them. Just relax. Theres a lot of people like you out there but sadly the world has taken an ugly turn so we have to close our mouths or the communists will put us in concentration camps. Just relax and join them. Nothing more we can do
Hi, so I've just come back from being restricted because of what i said on this thread. You are so right, this community and especially these forums are full of trolls just looking for a fight. they will either: - Take anything you say out of context and berate you. - Ignore any rational points you make or any evidence you provide and derail the conversation by pointing out your grammatical errors or spelling mistakes and place you on the defensive. - Or just flat out try to bury you. This community stinks. It's better on the US boards but not by much. But what to do expect when it's widely accepted that ruining games and wasting 4 other players time (30min+ each) is completely acceptable but the word "fairy" is bannable. Utter scum.
Zyzyx (EUW)
: > I was arguing that Riots punishment system is flat out broken. I really dislike that a players can get banned for flaming another player Just because it doesn't work as you would like it to work, this doesn't mean it's broken. It's doing what it's supposed to do, even if you don't like it. About your suspension: That's something the mods need to have a look at.
It is broken! There is litrally a mute button to stop harrasment on the spot. Then you report after game. But there is no button to stop trolls/afks. In fact you are completely helpless and at the mercy of the offenders and riots shit system. Is quite widely known that griefers never get banned and its got to the point where 1/2 of all games are ruined by them. Whats worse is these offending players know they can get away with it and have done for years. There is just no excuse.
: Does being gay negate the fact that you are using an offensive term?
How is it offensive? It's not like saying the N-word or calling some one a "%%%got" If you can present me a legitimate reason why "fairy" is an offensive term (which you wont be able to) then i will eat my metaphoric hat.
Coxis (EUNE)
: Hi GarySeagull, If I may ask, which account of yours got banned? :)
In the end of the day It does not matter. I clearly hit a nerve with that moderator. Just want to make it public that this bullshit happened.
: > [{quoted}](name=GarySeagull,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lnVUYpis,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T08:10:50.929+0000) > > it was never used to be a derogatory term against gay people. still, if you're calling us triggered fairies you're mocking our virility, wouldn't you think that?
Lets be fair, this community does get triggered over the slightest thing. So which word is more SJW friendly? Fairy? Snowflake? Pussies? Over-sensitive?
: What context is there here? I'm pretty sure you were not talking to small fantasy creatures. So what context would justify using the word?
Well, would be out of the realm of possibily that I am gay? Or dont gay people play lol? Regardless does it matter?
: ah, the usual post i see "but i said worst in the past!" "but there is a mute button, so i can say whatever i wanna say right?" "but everyone else don't get punished, only me??" "aniway the game is dying ppl are leaving!" "balance team is ££$%£$$" "you triggered fairy i can't believe it!" a bit monotonous, but still amusing
Way to take it completely out of context well done! Here is a banana sticker.
: > ...without being a triggered fairy" Who would've thought using a derogatory term for a gay male would be seen as offensive.
it was never used to be a derogatory term against gay people. You are reading far to into it and blowing it out of context. BUT then again, this is the LoL forums, so i'm not surprised.
Rioter Comments
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
"which means that he could die from illness" Ohh no, that would be such a shame.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
You are, you've been doing it to me. You have NOTHING to back yourself up so you change the subject or miss the point entirely and try to put the other person on the defensive. You are actually being quite scummy.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Ok, Lets say that Malphite was a friend of his feeding on purpose just to make a video. Dunkey still had a point, I myself encounter players like that Malphite on a daily basis, IT'S THAT COMMON. And Dunkey is 100% right, Why can I not call out and call players like that Malphite an asshole? Those sort of players RUIN so many games and waste so many players time and never EVER EVER get punished.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
You did reply to me. I literally got a notification for it. Not for this one tho. "Toxicity isn't only about telling others to suicide, you know? Toxicity is also poisoning other people's day by insulting them, belittling them, blaming them." There is a simple solution. It's called the mute button. You see, I can deal with the time it takes to press that mute button and ignore whatever made me press it because i'm not a whimpy snowflake. Then after the game is done, I will then report said player and life out the rest of my days without getting triggered for what some idiot said on the internet. You know what I can't prevent with a touch of a button? Players running into towers 15+ times because they got autofilled and a 30min+ game because i'm being held hostage. Or griefing in general. This happens FAR more often than it should. You say "Why wouldn't you get punished for breaking the rules you signed a contract about?" I did not say you should not get punished. I said it's disgusting that players get away with ruining 100+ games easily without punishment yet if you say 1 bad word you banned for good. Now do you want me to repeat this for the 5th time now to make sure you understand? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""This is an over-exaggeration sure but it sure hits the nail on the head."" "It doesn't, because you put words in my mouth and I'm not using that logic at all." Erm, yeah, you did. Don't try to squirm now after I make you look like a %%%%%.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
First of all: Comparing me to players who tell others to kill themselves is insulting. I've been somewhat respectful up till this point even though most of what you have said is flawed. My issue is with the punishment system in general, I do not agree with Riots stance that verbal abusers are punished quite harshly despite there being a mute button in game to prevent it carrying on further while also having the option to just permaban the player in chat. Yet does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to players who actively seek to grief whichever unlucky souls that get matched with them. So go ahead, shove your condescending mysteries up your arse. Mate. Your bullshit starting to stink and make you look foolish. Secondly: By your logic all Muslims must be suicide bombers or all teenagers must be walking into schools with rifles and gunning down anyone they can. Ohh wait no, those are a small percentage of radical outliners. This is an over-exaggeration sure but it sure hits the nail on the head.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
So its JUST opinion when you dont agree with it? LOL OK. Well that video got very popular because it rung true for a lot of players. All you are trying to do is discredit Dunkey to try and salvage what little ground you have in this discussion. Regardless, he was still voicing the opinions of a large portion of the playerbase. That video would not have got as popular as it did if it was not true. And as much as he was in the wrong for saying what he did, what that malphite was doing was far far worse. And that behavior NEVER gets punished. And you have no answer to address it.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Yeah thats a whole heap of bullshit you scooped up there. Thanks for the laughs. I dont believe for a second that "most of them want to be muted". Most do it for attention, due to frustration with their own gameplay or the teams performance (which I can honestly understand with players consistantly going 0/12 in 10 min) or they just do it cause they are just racist insecure childlike individuals. I wont rule it out that a few individuals probably use a chat restriction as a badge on honor buy I can assure you thats a very very very low %. Want to throw more jokes my way? That really tickled me.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Your being rediculous, thats in no way in the same league as my statement. I can guide you if you wish to the countless threads of players leaving the game for the exact reasons mentioned. Or perhaps the countless videos regarding high ranked players who all repeat the exact same pounts: 1. Too much damage. Its litrally Burst or be burst at this time. 2. 1 person can loose you a game while 1 person cant carry 3. Balance in general is in the toilet. 4. Damage creep + mobility creep has gone far too far. 5. Towers + Barron are to weak. 6. Games feel like a coinflip on who has the worst player. Dunkey made a video in 2015 that got very popular expressing his thoughts on this issue and how disgraceful the banning system is. He is litrally proof on what im talking about. You might have your ficticious cloud rabbits but at least i have something to point at. Or does it not exist because it paints Riot in a bad light? Or are you expecting me to consume your bullshit?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Removing their ability to type in chat does solve the problem on verbal abuse tho. It solves that specific action on the spot with a punishment fitting of the crime. I agree it would therefore roll over to then griefing. So are you saying you are more in favor of these offending players to be let loose on brand new players who will probably quit and never return entirely? Cause lets face it, for us seasoned players we have to put up with griefing players all the time! So its no diffrent. It more reflects how poorly the punishment for griefing players actually is. Most get away with it freely. Ive seen plenty of accounts with games in the 100s still not banned. This is a worse offence and nothing is done about it.
Atlas (EUNE)
: Are you good at league?
Yes, I always play for the team, never troll, never go 0/12 in 10 min. Always am one of the top performing players. Nearly always a positive KDA, always the least deaths on the team I know how to manage the laming phase and transition it to the macro game. I'm not good enough to carry a team that has died 20+ times before the 15 mark at least. (usually when i only gave up 1 death and have the entire teams kills) I generally get honours every game for carrying, don't really communicate unless I want the team to stop running round like headless chickens and go for an objective.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Errm, you are correct at it's core. But i will use myself as an example, over the last 2 days 80% of the games I've had has featured an AFK. I dealt with it, I didn't rage or anything but i was frustrated. I spent a lot of time wanting a a good quality match but I was consistently placed in a 4v5 or a 5v4 situation. That's not exactly fun to deal with even if you win. it's just boils down to a waste of time. So yes I was frustrated but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect quality games. I can accept a few games with trolls and players afk'ing, it is the internet after all. But what i'm more frustrated at is for a long time now the quality of the games has diminished across the board. And I've waited for years for Riot to do something about it, I don't expect a miracle but I expect Riot to at least try something. but years have passed and the issue has just got worse and worse. And the worst part is these players who do intentionally ruin games know they can get away with it. So it happens More and more and more. So my expectations are shattered but lets be fair here, I don't think i'm being in any way unreasonable in wanting those expectations from one of the biggest games worldwide.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Yeah it's an opinion, but an opinion based on observation.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I don't, the only thing i suggest is to link phone numbers and even then... you can get a cheep sim card for a new account. The other would be to start charging money to make an account, but this should require alot of champion is not all champions to be unlocked. That would stop people buying new account if they have been banned, it would also reduce toxicity out of fear of loosing an account. But I know that's not going to happen AND it's not my job to figure it out. I'm just pointing out the current stance is terrible. One simple suggestion would just to ban the players permanently in from speaking to the team. They can continue to play but they wont have the ability of saying anything that's blacklisted. That way they don't go all the way back to the bottom and ruin the experience for new players. OHH and that idea would not harshly punish people for saying "Go kill yourself" in Aram because the system does not understand context.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Out of context that sounds good, but really what is the % of those who do not return? Aause I guarantee is pretty low. And i guarantee that the reason they leave is because of the state of the game and that riots stance on player behaviour is putrid to say the least.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
SMART IDEA! Ban their account (kick them out as you say), let them make a new account and expose him to new players! Gosh, it's genius! It's not that those players are going to spread that toxicity on BRAND NEW players and either: Put off new players due to a toxic environment from ever playing again or promote that sort of behaviour.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
One of the causes is definitely the current state of the game, it's infuriating to have games consistently were 1 lane goes 0/12 in 10 min and then it becomes a lost cause and a lot of wasted time because you are helpless and get taken hostage by the players who have literally lost you the game. That's one of the main causes of toxicity, it's even trucking worse now! Now that you can't build defensively and concentrate on farming cause you'll get 1 shot regardless. This also makes every game feel like a coinflip, that's also not fun and breeds toxicity cause all you are doing is praying to RNJesus. It's just a matter of luck. Roll those dice!
: First off, I don't appreciate your tone. If you wish to conduct an argument with me, I'll ask you to use a civilized tone. Otherwise I won't waste my time on you, since you won't be worth it. Secondly, nothing is stopping you. There are things in real life too, that aren't punishable by law, but annoy the fu#k out of others, and make the offender look like a total di#k. If someone's life goal is to do these things, that's on him. I'll then say he has psychopathic and sociopathic tendencies, hence not a healthy - normal functioning human. Truth is - in this game, I don't even interact with 99.5% of the server's community - and frankly I couldn't care less, that pre 30 or sub-Diamond games are an overall shitfest. Most of the toxic people will never in their life reach my ELO and won't influence my League experience whatsoever. And if some sociopaths do, and troll in a non-bannable way, I simply won't care. I understand the system's limitations, and I play according to them. Won't get depressed or have a mental breakdown over some mentally ill guy having fun while TRYING to ruin my game. I've had matches where my Botlaner was following me around, taking my camps - on my smurf. You know what I did? Alt + F4, no looking back. Didn't even think about giving him satisfaction. Happily there is a world outside of the game as well, I'll gladly do 5 bot-games due to leave buster,rather than give some sick person joy by showing signs of tilt. My smurf is on near 90% win-rate in low-Plat now, while the troll remained in silver ELO, and we'll never meet again. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
Tone? Are you serious? Look, don't try to deflect what I say because you actually have no answer. Literally all you've done is talk nonsense. "Here are things in real life too, that aren't punishable by law" If it consistently happens you will get arrested for harassment. And this is besides the point. The situation in LOL in no way mirrors what happens in the real world. If you want me to adjust my "tone" how about you earn some respect instead of typing out nonsensical diarrhoea.
: I do not like your meme-langage it discriminates woodworkers and clowns.
You are so funny, ever thought of a career in comedy?
: That part wasn't necessarily directed towards you, excuse my choice of words. The point I was going for, that in threads like these, that feel an issue with AFKs and trolls, are quite pointless. We do have a system that deals with them, altho let's not forget that we have millions of active players,Let's take 1mill if 1% are mildly-toxic (10K) - and you meet 1% of the 1% - 100 toxic players, in your games. You can get them in a row, only in your team , only on enemy - you can't influence that. If you get 1% of 1% ONLY on your team, in the period of 1month let's say, that's a 100 game loss streak (if you can't win 4v6) - and you can't do shit about it. That's the sad truth. You gotta move on, and wait till the tide turns - and collect back the lost LP, when it does. Statistics is a bit$h sometimes it's on your side, sometimes it's not. Riot can't help this...it's impossible. Even if you instant ID ban every troll (meaning they will never be allowed to return to LOL even on new accs) - you can still be a very unlucky person, who gets a 1K game loss streak due to trolls - before they get banned (altho probably winning the lottery 3 times in a row is more probably - but you get my point). Move on, improve, win the winnable games, go next when it's not winnable.
Actually it is Riots fault. And there is plenty they can do. In fact by doing absolutely NOTHING about trolling or inting or afk's for a very long time they have indirectly promoted that its ok to be this abusive towards your team without any repercussion. Therefore, more and more people troll or go afk. Ok, so there is the leaver buster. but its very easily abusable. C'mon smart shit, you tell me what is actually stopping me from making a new account and just trying to create the most miserable experience possible for like 5000 games. the rules are: 1. I don't type in chat 2. I don't leave the game on a regular basis. Other than having a disgruntled player call me out on the forums, what the %%%% is actually going to stop me?
: The amount of toxic and inting players is rising?
I've made a few posts yesterday about this exact topic. Every single game i had yesterday had an afker on my team. Every single game without fail. i'm talking 8+ games easily. When I brought it up on the forums the community blew my mind by telling me that apparently it's my fault and if i was a good player I should be able to carry. Despite the fact I failed to mention anything to do with winning or losing games.
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