: Haha this is so true. Sometimes you have such bad enemys but your own team is even worse and have like 0 impact in the game. But it's just not possible to carry some games.
Its true, i'm not a bad player at all. But when i have spend the majorty of game spam pinging free objectives or telling my team how to make a split comp work just make's me mad. I'm currently say 1-2 items ahead of top, i can 1vs5 pretty much ill push bot go pressure baron, they;ll follow me bot waste my pressure then lose the game. I want to play and have fun, not guide unskilled players 24/7. So i'm not gonna play ranked until mid season at least. I hate this game currently.
Kalviras (EUW)
: it is but sadly the only thing you can do is find the 1v9 champs all the challengers exploit to do their "see you can climb quickly easy" series and practise that, playing anything but those and being pro level you are going to be forced into a 50% win rate by Riots system
Trust me even 1vs9 champ can't carry the brain deads on your team. I was spamming illaoi on the alt and i was still losing game's where i was doing 50-60k damage while my team m8's where hitting 20k. You ask them don't feed the ranged champs early and its an easy win, 10 mins and they've already died 5 times. I'm finding it impossible to climb out of gold, yet i ended last D3 with 56% win rate, and the last 3 seasons.
: I lost 9 match in a row so its not 50%... I think match making totally failed. It was good in season 7-8 .... I still play so I think I love it too... but... I dont know...
I'm spending more time try to climb because i have to carry sub par players. Its just annoying and unfun at this point.
Rioter Comments
mistry (EUW)
: Well what's the difference? The very fact that you played badly by your own admission, just verifies the fact that everyone is perfectly allowed to have a bad game right? I mean you're not with or against the same people, each game has a different set of players who all have the potential to have a bad game. If you int game 1 as a top lane for example, next game jungle ints, next game mid and so on. You could theoretically be 0 wins 5 losses and you wouldn't have any right to complain because you know yourself that you have contributed to the loss streak. I understand what you're saying, sure people in low elo int. But climbing requires you to be better then people of that elo, even if they're fed.
You're still not getting it, but ill put in simple terms for you. I don't Int unless my team make's me (Which is very rare) a lot of the time its because my team is playing like "Trash" there is a very slim margin that i will lose top, very slim. The only time i ever lose top is because i've been hard countered or have had 0 jungler help through the laning faze whil being camped. So just becaus i'm playing bad that's means non of my team should contribute to carrying me once in a while? Does the mean that chance's of me winning a game go down to about 50% because i'm such a huge factor in us winning? If i loss lane, the chance's i'm getting carried are slim as %%%%. So that's means i have to play twice as good in order for me to win a game. Out of the 75 game's my smurf has had, i've been carried in less the 10. Even then i've been a huge condtributer to the victory. Its a team game therefor i should expect the other to at least help, and not constantly int their ass away. I can't even count the amount of 1vs5 i've had to win to insure a vitcory. https://gyazo.com/05c4976deff0d2d5c30d9dc393593b1b There's my other account win rate and you're telling me i'm the problem. I've played this game from season 1 i understand fulyl well how to climb and win.
mistry (EUW)
: Well you just said it yourself, 'apart from the few games where I played like trash'. You're a diamond player smurfing, who openly admits to having bad games even at a lower elo, which there is nothing wrong with. However it contradicts your previous statements, if you can have a bad game as a player of a much higher elo, then why can't genuinely low elo players have bad scores. I mean they're in fact much more likely to have poorer games, and they usually lack the ability to comeback whilst behind. Poor example I'm afraidm
There is difference between me having like 5 bad games out of 50 and my team feeding pretty much every second game. You clearly don’t understand where I’m getting at. Look at the majority of my wins is me destroying my lane and carrying my useless team mates who don’t deserve the free lp. Even most of my loses are me being the only decent player apart from a very little. I’m out performing my team by miles yet it only takes 1-2 of them to feed their ass off and it’s over. A bad game is going like 1-5 not going 0-8 in 10 mins that’s just feeding.
mistry (EUW)
: I mean in all the games you lost someone else on the other team pretty much solo carried. So you in fact lost to someone better than yourself, don't see the problem.
You mean my team feed more then the enemy did, so therefor I lost. Apart from a few games where I played like trash and had to deal with W bugs on illaoi. But yes I’m really gonna carry 1-5 or 2-5 when my team is doing nearly 20k less damage has 8+ deaths. Please don’t comment when you don’t have any real knowledge. I want to see you carry when the enemy is 8-0 in under 12 mins. You think my high rank and skill cap is going to work magic when my team is working against me. I’m a good player not a miracle maker.
: Matchmaking in low and high elo
I got the current problem on the smurf i'm d2 peak, it isn't that fact its harder it's also the fact the low elo player refuse to listen to basic calls that would win the game, the amount of time's i've had to abuse my team just to go baron or get an objective is mad. You ask em serval time's do "baron" then they'll wander off and die. Then thell get mad at you for trying to shot call, while carrying their useless ass. This is the first time in the last 4 yrs my account has played more then 20 game's in silver, just because i'm losing game's i should of won due to how incompetent the other player are even when trying to carry them. Also you ask them not to feed and play safe they will do the oppsite every time. I'm currently ending game's where sometimes i'm doing upwards of 50-60k damage, yet my adc is at 20k with mid, sometimes they don't even reach that. I'm a good player, but there is no way i can carry 3 other dead beat players even with a greater skill cap. https://gyazo.com/612d142c2e289b86e41f670dc9a44906 (Example) https://gyazo.com/6213c757d201f012ab2436ebb76455e0 (example) This crap happens pretty much every game other game. My current game https://gyazo.com/ce1bed01ecd2f05083cc97454221d461 https://gyazo.com/817dab6ac97b2993729fee026ebdf8e0 (My deaths came because bot and mid feed super hard early) https://gyazo.com/5e6b8d1533758c9f0907262fffb5f496 Look at these win rate's and you think this is fair match making.
Soretal (EUNE)
: "It's your fault bro! You did not lose because your team!"
Well i just had my jungler soft "int" because bot lane didn't ward her blue buff at the start the game. This season has bread a new typer of player. I'm not sure i;ve played a game where its been fun.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Gashru1,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=cN9JXEEG,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2020-01-13T18:34:54.033+0000) > > A lot of game's they had above 10 deaths or 9. Few examples > https://gyazo.com/6e141c6a83d0a14fd9dea027f7840dc4 > https://gyazo.com/4939f69c7b3841febfbe7cca77919c9d > https://gyazo.com/182f792c4113ad897910626de8167a6a > https://gyazo.com/807b845f362e1169b711195eba252003 > https://gyazo.com/b2239a5eb8ea4e7a6353297e83193cd1 poor of you , is not like most of people get troll/grief in team daily , you get ocassionaly and complain about lol.
https://gyazo.com/42e43f7d7707991bc73e195f2a01cf50 First game of the day " Ye it normal alright" You call losing 20 game's with people averging a total of 10 deaths "ocassionaly." Delueded much.
: Damn, unlucky
Tell me about it, its more then unlucky. I think the average deaths for my team m8's where like 7-8, if they weren't feeding they we're just being completly useless instead.
Kaluchii (EUW)
: be honest where your laners all going 0-10?
A lot of game's they had above 10 deaths or 9. Few examples https://gyazo.com/6e141c6a83d0a14fd9dea027f7840dc4 https://gyazo.com/4939f69c7b3841febfbe7cca77919c9d https://gyazo.com/182f792c4113ad897910626de8167a6a https://gyazo.com/807b845f362e1169b711195eba252003 https://gyazo.com/b2239a5eb8ea4e7a6353297e83193cd1
Kaluchii (EUW)
: Worst experience SOLOQ so far in 10 years.
I ended D3 last season went 5-5 for promo's got p4, then i've lost the last 20 game's pretty much in a row. Out the 40 game's played i;ve won 12.
Nar7ia (EUW)
: You mean p4? p5 doesn't exist anymore.
Yep p4, 10yrs of game play still thinks p5's a thing ;)
Gashru1 (EUW)
: https://gyazo.com/994aefde0945138750b11dc11e936c9d 3rd game https://gyazo.com/994aefde0945138750b11dc11e936c9d 4th game you're not no blind, you're just mega blind.
So you missed the 7-12 cass then? Or the leona and azhir with 9 deaths? Because you proved your self wrong. https://gyazo.com/8ce869d08f8eebf5e81957864f2f09da
: https://gyazo.com/be1b4117fee81e8fe65d54e92d9a62ef https://gyazo.com/b1bdf9d05ae3aba81905611e4ff3d11f https://gyazo.com/159dac0cc260903c93dac87c7a76a81e https://gyazo.com/196943dcbea8427ee224bd7cb8ac9d3c https://gyazo.com/951a6f1e4a697d247e9ef98f23e3a32c Your last 5 games at the time of when I last replied to you. No I'm not blind why do you ask?
https://gyazo.com/994aefde0945138750b11dc11e936c9d 3rd game https://gyazo.com/994aefde0945138750b11dc11e936c9d 4th game you're not no blind, you're just mega blind.
: Looked at your last 5 games and literally 0 people in your last 5 games went above 10 deaths so that's a complete lie.
https://gyazo.com/b2239a5eb8ea4e7a6353297e83193cd1 https://gyazo.com/c7f77bcc29f575eed0af5dfdbab65bc8 https://gyazo.com/22f252aef1b0eaaee3e4c78dd202bbad (Rage quit because she deid once) https://gyazo.com/807b845f362e1169b711195eba252003 https://gyazo.com/182f792c4113ad897910626de8167a6a Want anymore? Cause you're a tad bit blind.
: I find it hard to believe you lost 14 games in a row and none of them had anything to do with your play and were all your teams mistakes but assuming that is the case like I said that's a small sample size. Over a much larger sample size you'll experience it much more evenly.
Ah yes my team mates averaging a total of 10 + deaths every game has everything to do with me. Ye totaly. I'm a diamond player who's manged to go on 20 game losing spree in 2 days, ye that's normal alright.
: D4 last season. Won 4/10 games. G2 94LP. And take into account that you queue up with all those hard stuck players with their 2000k games. Flaming the crap out of each other, even go afk. It's by far the worst season ever. I'm pretty disappointed
Hey i ended last season D4 went 5-5 got p4. I won about 3 game's, then lost the next 14.
: Basic mathematics is proof enough. 10 people in a game with it being random which team each player ends up on besides role selection. Since it's random whether you end up with the better support or the worse support or mid or jungle or adc or top then simple law of averages dictates that while there can be anomalies in small sample sizes over a large period of games you would see a regression to the mean which is 50%. Anyone who's done high school mathematics should be able to understand that.
Ah is that why i've lost 14 game's in a row? Because math? %%%%ing 14 game's which where all pretty much ff's 15.
: Wouldn't count D4 0LP as Dia, but whatever. If you're Dia then your post is even more disapointing than it was before.
Coming from you. What would some hard stuck plat understand? I ended D4, but i peaked D2. I clearly understand what lane should and shouldn't be ganked in certain game's. You on the other hand... not so much.
: As a jungle main, ill tell you this: The moment I show myself anywhere near toplane, enemy jungler will instantly go to dragon and rest of the team will flame me for "not contesting drake" Or the more common situation: You are pushed under enemy turret 24/7 without ward in tribush Or the third possibility: You have no clue if enemy toplaner warded river, so trying to gank top might just be a pointless walk just to spam my Tier 7 emote and go away Edit: Oh yea, and not to forget: The way to win a game as a jungler is to camp winning lanes, not those who are losing and risk getting 2 v 1 {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
How is the enemy jungler going to dragon? When he's top lane? Riddle me that. Because dragon is more important the having useful lanes. Ill tell that to my jungler next time he ganks bots, and still ends up losing dragon, while top was free. Also i'm diamond, not bronze i understand when its viable for a jungler to gank, and when its not.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Gashru1,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=RvdsLKJR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-01-10T21:45:41.996+0000) > > I've had 3 game's with 3 autofilled junglers and 2 of those game's had autofilled adc's, and these are diamond games. I've lost all the game's with auotfills. i think you should at least know how to play a pair of champs in EACH lane if you want to play ranked. Imho adc is worst position but that's only my experience, don't like the focus on CS and the pressure from 2 players when i'm not sure of what my supp can do. Jng and supp are the funniest because you can give vision(and vision wins 50% of games) and help team with cc and obj. BUT...i used to play some mid/top/adc too. What happens when i get autofilled? i ASK for my main role or say that i'll play safe on my lane. I just cannot excuse pple who get autofilled then tryhard with champs they don't know.
Autofill jungler is currently the worst position, esp at diamond and above. Its great fun watching while you get hammered because the game couldn't pick 5 people for their main role. Esp with jungle changes it makes it c*ncerus if you're behind or not doing well.
Shaebadu (EUW)
: my placements so far
I've had 3 game's with 3 autofilled junglers and 2 of those game's had autofilled adc's, and these are diamond games. I've lost all the game's with auotfills.
Rioter Comments
: If you dont play 8 hours a day like a pro, and you lose 2 games in a row to a smurf, yes it matters. Maybe some of us do quite well for our leagues, and when we get the promo for the next league BAM, omega leesin that cant be touched trashes me 20/2/12 and I cant do anything about it. Trust me, it's not fun.
I don't play 8 hours a day, and i can climb my ass to diamond pretty easy, just by learning how play the game properly.
: Smurfing on ranked should be bannable
I'm going to be real with you, the likely hood you're losing game's because of smurfs in anything below plat is pretty slim. The chances that you're hard stuck is most likely due to your own skill level to a certain extent. This is coming from some one who could barely make silver a couple years back. I learnt how to play the game properly and pretty much have 0 trouble skipping my accounts to plat or even diamond. The difference is the higher you climb in ranked the more loses impact your game's because of the huge lp difference. (Also the better people tend to get meaning you have to improve more) So me as a plat 1 with 70% win rate i was gaining 20-28lp, as soon as i hit diamond i went to 15lp. The bigger problem in solo q are duo abusers.
: Translation, you’ve got no idea how to defute what I’m saying cause I’m right so your just gonna discredit everything I’ve tried to say. Even if I was a pantheon one trick (go to jungler btw, and one of my main top laners) and challenger you’d try and find a reason to ignore me. Fine go ahead, not like I’m the one losing out here.
No, i'm just not going to debate with some low elo player who has 20% win on pantheon in 6 game's. Like i dunno who i should believe my self with over 7+ years of pantheon game play or you. Funny enough i even looked at the "top" pantheon mains in diamond-master and even they don't play pantheon.
: Except that’s not true at all... his empowered ability management, knowing when to charge Q, holding his E for the correct amount of time, and placement of ult are all skills that are new to him. Also damage hasn’t been taking out of his E... if you do it for the full duration it’s only lost 45 damage and 50% scaling... that’s not much. So again, his Q is the same, his W is the same, his E is the same, his passive has changed from auto attack immunity to full damage immunity, his ult lost a bit of range... if new pantheon is on paper able to do absolutely everything that old pantheon could do and more then he’d be exactly the same strengh... the fact that his win rate is lowered and everyone had such a hard time with him as he released (with actually alleviated over time) shows he’s gotten harder
Ill assume you have no idea what you're talking about at this point. Again i'm not taking advice from some one who doesn't play the champ or have any decent game play knowledge at a higher level.
: But now he is... that was the entire aim of rework was to increase his skill expression to be more in line with his theme of the most skilled warrior in the world. Pantheon got reworked, stop comparing him to old pantheon that’s where you are falling down
You think new pantheon is hard... He's crap because he's under buffed, his new kit really doesn't require anymore then the old kit. The only difference is that they removed damage from E, and put it into a defensive mechanic instead. Also you can't give advice on champion when you've never really been past gold.
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Gashru1,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UNdQ3WLB,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-12-17T21:38:43.477+0000) > > Ah ye he's perfect that's if you can even keep up with the current meta junglers. If he was so perfect i'd so him in more of my game's. In the 50 game's i played from P2 to D3 the only pantheon i saw was my self. I carried many games with him and can carry again. He is perfect pick for cheese gank and overall KDA strategy gameplay. He easily picks kills but he himself has high survival rate. I really know what are you talking about as to which part of him is weak... His DMG? His CDs? His pressure? His utility? His dueling abilities? His all-in potential? His hunting abilities? His kit alone? Everything seems fine... You just need how to abuse it and in each game its little bit different and you need to figure out at what and how abuse your strong points meanwhile abusing enemy's weak points. Take rengar as example. He can either wait in enemy jungle to counterjungle and snowball while rendering enemy jg useless or cheese gank on lanes and get your laners fed or just powerfarm in jg and then destroy lone targets. Ofc, the best way is to do everything simultaneously but sometime you need to figure out on what you need to focus more. In short, you need to learn how to press with your STRONG POINTS onto enemy WEAK POINTS. Like is saying that even rock shatters if you hit it in crack...
We're not talking gold and low plat here, i can pick pretty much any champ and carry in those elo's. I'm talking about decent ranks like D3+ where people have a shred of knowlege how to avoide your so called "cheese" ganks. Trust me i've tried him and its always the same crap, you do decent in the early game, then just out scaled and out damaged in the mid to late game. The champ has no real sustain out side of his E which does next to no damage.
: Right well how would you consider going about buffing him? Remember, we can't just give him 100% True Damage on all abilities! ^^
Its not even hard for one, Allow him to stop his ult for one, make it so his long range q does damage and isn't useless, also remove the ms debuff from his E so he can move about, just like braum has. That's what i can think of withouthaving to remove his impower passive which holds him backs.
HideSide (EUNE)
: His kit is perfect for diving machine. Has bad clear times? There are junglers with even worse... If you fall behind because of ganking then you are bab, really bad player. Panth has great damage in all-ins, has close-gap point and click CC and is tanky af because of his E. And if its not enough then what about his R thanks to which he can do counter ganks when something goes wrong?
Ah ye he's perfect that's if you can even keep up with the current meta junglers. If he was so perfect i'd so him in more of my game's. In the 50 game's i played from P2 to D3 the only pantheon i saw was my self.
: But even when he isn’t often played ryze’s win rate is low, so it’s got noth8ng to do with how popular he is currently. Again the stat you want to look at is average games played per player... this will show if the players playing the champion are mains or noobs, ryze and pantheon have very similar average games played which means that there difficulty affects both of them equally.
Pantheon isn't even hard for the average person, his kit has never been hard.
: He was strong... do you really think pros would ban him every single game if it was just a semi global ult... again firstly that would mean old pantheon would have had the same ban rate as he has the same global ult, and secondly if pantheon was weak then any of the other champions with global teleporta would have been banned as often if not more. > I've got years of pantheon experince, You have years of experience with old pantheon, you’ve obviously got no experience with the new pantheon. > Galio isn't strong, but galio's global ult and being able to build semi tanky and deal damage is what makes him strong. Actually Galio has gone through stages of being strong in high elo solo Q as well, he’s strong in pro play for different reasons (support Galio vs mid Galio) but he was meta several times. > You need to learn how strong global ults are in a game where you have near enough perfect communication and level of game play. But again, there’s plenty of global ults in the game... there’s only been one of them besides pantheon who has been 100% pick or ban and 100% win rate at a major tournament and that was release gangplank where he was broken... global ults are strong, but they are 100% ban worthy unless the champion it’s on is equally as strong.
Pro's would ban a lot of champion that have good team sinergy, such as galio who was widley banned. But he sucks in solo q because players can't combine his ult, and that they gutted that campion to oblvion. I have enough exp on new panth, way more then i need to relisea the guy is losing match up he won as old and is still losing match up he lost as old because of how useless his new kit is. (Q That's only good with the impowered poke damage, W which again only decent impowered damage, E which does pretty much nothing apart from slow him down, and a ult which is easly dodged, and which you can't back out of unlike the old. The reason his strong mid, is for the pure fact he has defensive tools to deal with most mages and caster mid, while also having the added affect of being able to global gank. But the fact is if you're behind you're behind and done for no chance of being useful. I can still win game's and lane with new pantheon, it isn't hard for me. But the game isn't just laning phase. Plus with him only have on decent combo, as long you make him blow his w or e you free to do what you wish with him. Again you shoudn't compare "pro play" to solo q, its a well known fact riot buffs certain champs, for pro play and worlds. That's why pantheon didn't get any nerfs, also pantheon was a fresh rework which i'm also guessing a lot of pro's didn't have experinse with him or against him.
: I think he is decent enough though. Not the best but not the worst by far! Would love a change to his Q-hold since that's the only thing that seems to do nothing much.
Q holding is terrible and only good for executing some one, W is only decent with max stacks and his E well... Only got for disengaging when facing people infront of you, cause the slow is crippling.
: I see it doesnt do any good trying to talk to you.
Ofc it won't because i managed to keep my pantheon at least 60% win rate in over 150 game's over serval accounts. I understand fully well the strenghts and weakness of my main.
: Actually there was a lot wrong with old Pantheon. Old Pantheon was either snowball and win prior min 25 or you get crushed even when you are like 18/0 which was imo stupid AF. New Pantheon is way stronger than old Pantheon altho he was nerfed a bit too much if you ask me. Old Pantheon was also rly toxic and unfun to play against, some matchups couldnt do shit against him, no matter how well you played. (as I Pantheon player myself, I thankfully wasnt on the receaving end that much) Especially with the new runes , the old Pantheon was rly rly hard to beat, he didnt have much counterplay in this department. On the other hand once you were behind like even 0/1 behind and the enemy wasnt an Ape, you couldnt litterally go afk under your tower. This is the thing that made him broken in a bad may. The same reasoning led to old Swain beeing reworked(which I also mained xD ) If you are ahead unstoppable and if you are behind, no chance to comeback.
If you think old pantheon had no counter play, then you clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Being first pick and picking pantheon would 100% mean you lost lane. The old champion only had one real strat and that was to abuse your lane and snow ball of that, while using your ult to gank other lanes and give them a lead also. I pretty much perfected my pantheon plays to even where counters would lose to me because i understood my huge weakness, which was any one with more sustain and poke then me would bully me out of lane because i couldn't kee up. New pantheon isn't even strong, i've been in the situation where i've had the same items as old pantheon and have been unable to do the same damage as old. because new pantheon isn't an assassin he's a bruiser, but yet the bruiser don't work well on him because again he's an all in champ with no real sustain. They even made his ult uncancle able.
: He was banned because he was strong... a strong snowball laner with a global ult is extremely powerful when done right, as I said good at creating a lead and spreading it to his team. And it was a 100% ban rate, that only happens if something is truely broken
He wasn't strong, the global ult made him strong since he was going to be picked mid, allowing for easy ganks top and bot while being allowed to go brusier because they changed his W. I've got years of pantheon experince, i understand why my champ was considered broken in worlds fully. Galio isn't strong, but galio's global ult and being able to build semi tanky and deal damage is what makes him strong. You need to learn how strong global ults are in a game where you have near enough perfect communication and level of game play.
: At no point did I say pantheon is stronger or beats ryze... only time I mentioned ryze was showing that low win rates doesn’t make a champion underpowered. And mobility has nothing to do with this if it did you’d think old pantheon was useless.
Ryze win rate is only tanking because he's played by way more people. Total of 4% more people. So you're wrong again.
HideSide (EUNE)
: If panth isnt viable at top, then play him ať jungle...
He's even worse in the jungle, slow clear times. no real aoe, no sustain. You fall behind so much because of ganking, its bad.
: pantheon was fine, idk why teh changed him
Nor do i to be honest, worst thing riot ever did. There wasn't much wrong with him, he was played her and there no one really complained it was all good, but they had to %%%% that up didnt they.
: yo dont argue with this guy. he is a gold player and think he knows the game.
I understand any one who thinks ryze couldn't beat panth currently clearly doesn't have enough game knowledge. Or fails to realise how op mobility is on certain champs.
: > When you're taking into consideration win rate you have to also take into account how much the chamption is played. So you're telling me pantheon with 1.06% pick rate is more broken then ryze, who currently is sitting at 5% pick rate and no 2 mention ryze is sitting at 49% win rate top a 41% pick rate. Ryze with 4% more play rate has a greater win rate then pantheon and ryze is fundemently broken to the core currently. Never said he was broken, just that if your looking at win rate you need to look at the big picture And actually if you want to look at everything you should look at average games per player as that’s most accurate for how much inexperience is affecting win rate. Pantheon top has 6.6 games per player, ryze top has the same, only 3% difference in win rate Pantheon mid has 12 games per player and look it it has 51% win rate... showing that it’s largely the experience doing this. Where as ryze mid has a 4.2 games per player and has the worse win rate. > The difference is pantheon isn't going to clear your wave in 0.1 seconds and then dps your whole team in one spell rotation is he? Obviously pantheon isnt ryze... but pantheon can bully a lane opponent and snowball on a lead better than ryze ever could. And a bad ryze won’t do any ofvthat either, same as how a bad pantheon can’t snowball and will fall behind > I could go on for ever about how bad pantheon is, but that would just be pointless because what i've read so far doesn't even mean anything. And all I’ve read so far shows you don’t understand pantheon... you thought there was only one combo and then put the wrong combo... bet you also charge the Q fully while harassing rather than abusing the click Q.
Wait did you say pantheon could snow ball a lead better then ryze? So how come pantheon isn't pick at all by any of the top tier players. Have a look at the current T1 champtionship and most picks and bans are either ryze or olaf. Ryze win's lane of just {{item:3070}} alone. Ryze when behind can still win you the game in decents hands. I'm not talking some crappy high gold and low plats game's. I'm talking at least diamond 3+ where people have semi decent grasp of how play. Pantheon does litterly next to no damage when behind, and does next to no damage when ahead. As long as you kite and stop his w the guy has no real engage after that. His E has 22 second cd and slow's making him useless in 2vs1 and pretty much in a 1vs1 with any who can kite. Ryze on the other hand has non of these problems, has high wave clear, has low cd's , has high single and multi target damage. Any decent ryze player would put pantheon so far into the ground he might as well afk.
: > No one cares about worlds, and worlds was a few patches ago so that really means nothing. Pantheon isn't even hard, he's very easy to play with only one combo engage in his kit. Which always WQE. He's only good in worlds because they have coms and can work around his ult. If the only reason was they have coms so can work around his kit how come old pantheon was never played. Pretty big oversight huh. And you’ve already proven that your not experienced with pantheon, WQE won’t actually give you that much burst and is far from maximising your damage. In that situation your wasting your empowered ability on your E... actually correction you only get 1 empowered ability doing this which actually isn’t good, you’ve wasted the point of his empowered W. The combo is W auto Q auto E Q, or WE auto Q, or WQ auto Q E, or QWauto Q... plenty of variations based on what you are facing. > There was nothing wrong with old pantheon, it's not my fault you wasn't good enough to beat him in lane. Litterly how to beat old panth pick any chamption that has decent armour scaling or can use a shield. Only pantheon was only an all in chamption, any who could remotely poke him back and had so sort of sustain would demolish pantheon in lane. So in other words play very particular champions or be screwed... yeah great game design. It’s not about countering, it was about him being anti fun and a massive issue in game health... hell him being a stat checker (no variation or outplay potential you either kill him or he kills you depending on who’s ahead) is reason enough to be rework, same with many champions before him. > New pantheon on the other hand doesn't even have decent lane pressure anymore because you're forced to take Tp or else you're losing lane from one gank. I mean your not... and he’s got better lane pressure. Pantheon has the same poke as before, costs less mana, has better eave manipulation, and better all in potential. Again if your just bad at pantheon it’s really not his fault that you are losing > Ah yes 46% win rate is very normal for a champtions main role, with his win rate only really peaking in mid, and that's only in 900 which doesn't even form a decent statistic. And? Ryze currently has around 47% win rate in his main role and is considered broken... in fact many champions who have been an issue have gotten a low win rate... LeBlanc during her prime was 46%, ryze has often been broken at 45% including when he could perma stun people, azir was the best mid laner in the game at 47% win rate. Difficulty plays a very large role in win rate, hence why difficukt champions have never gotten higher than 49% win rate regardless of how strong they are (hell a difficult champion at 50% win rate means they need severe nerfs immediately
When you're taking into consideration win rate you have to also take into account how much the chamption is played. So you're telling me pantheon with 1.06% pick rate is more broken then ryze, who currently is sitting at 5% pick rate and not 2 mention ryze is sitting at 49% win rate top a 28% pick rate. Ryze with 4% more play rate has a greater win rate then pantheon and ryze is fundemently broken to the core currently. The difference is pantheon isn't going to clear your wave in 0.1 seconds and then dps your whole team in one spell rotation is he? I could go on for ever about how bad pantheon is, but that would just be pointless because what i've read so far doesn't even mean anything.
: And yet he was 100% pick or ban in worlds. Pantheon is now a difficult champion, this means often times he’s not weak it’s just players being bad at him, he’s fully capable of everything old pantheon could do and more. And as a difficukt champion a win rate of 46% is normal And there was a lot wrong with pantheon, he was a stat checker and had very little interaction outside of hope you’d sustain lasts longer than his mana. He also was often anti fun to play against.
No one cares about worlds, and worlds was a few patches ago so that really means nothing. Pantheon isn't even hard, he's very easy to play with only one combo engage in his kit. Which always WQE. He's only good in worlds because they have coms and can work around his ult. There was nothing wrong with old pantheon, it's not my fault you wasn't good enough to beat him in lane. Litterly how to beat old panth pick any chamption that has decent armour scaling or can use a shield. Only pantheon was only an all in chamption, any who could remotely poke him back and had so sort of sustain would demolish pantheon in lane. New pantheon on the other hand doesn't even have decent lane pressure anymore because you're forced to take Tp or else you're losing lane from one gank. Ah yes 46% win rate is very normal for a champtions main role, with his win rate only really peaking in mid, and that's only in 900 which doesn't even form a decent statistic.
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: it's actually 17 games played MB lol there's def something wrong, he ended gold last season he got 5 wins and 20 loss he is plat 4 matched with diamond ..... WHAT THE ACTUAL Fµ** EDIT: could it be one of those accounts given with high elo by riot to streamers? this dude seems to gain LP while losing
I have no idea, but if it was some high elo streamer with an account like that, they wouldn't be so negative and sure riot would taken actions against a streamer, just to make a point. Funny enough i had a gold 1 in my game today, and unless you have over 60% win rate in gold 1 you shouldn't be matched with diamonds. https://gyazo.com/7fb18441fb053b25121c96c0430da56b She did good, but she isn't mmr diamond with only 54% win rate.
: 17 W - 77 L damn
Some how, that dude has been playing at diamond to plat level when he's finished gold and is super negative.
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