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: fun fact {{champion:21}} hates {{champion:201}} purely from the fact he can negate a 100sec cd (or however long it is) with his shield which i think at max rank is waht 5 or 6 sec cd
: Does anyone else think the scrapped "new" Shyvana passive was way more interesting than the current?
more interesting? yes. a balance problem from hell? 100% do you balance her around dragons or not? so if she gets 0 due to her team she gets fucked in 2 ways? do you balance her around not havnt any? ok she gains 2 infernos and she has a twice stacking damage buff and now she one shots you with {{item:3748}} its like 2 stance champs. {{champion:126}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:76}} all interesting. all balance problems from hell.
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: If i play solo queue ranked now will it affect my placements for start of season 7
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Genielda (EUW)
: this was so long ago i remember doing the quest but ot even if i ordered the hoodie or not...
i had to log in to check and i completely forgot about this hoodie. I either want my hoodie or my £50 back XP https://i.imgsafe.org/4a445dad2f.png
Eωsforos (EUNE)
: i agree to most of the stiff u say, but not the main one. i dont see how it is possible to make that mentor whatever mode due to, hmmmm, the mumber of varieties and contitions that have to be met seperly on each of these games. still, nice ideas in general.
i see the ploit holes in that idea as well it was literally just like a 5 second recommendation.
Iron1047 (EUNE)
: PROJECT: Hoodie & Merch in general
this was so long ago i remember doing the quest but ot even if i ordered the hoodie or not...
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: Zyra skin?
riot makes skins mostly for who are popular. you cant really make a "cheap" zyra skin like world breaker nasus thus she needs a higher price skin. why make a higher price skin for zyra when you can give black kid with a baseball bat {{champion:245}} another skin and makes 5 times the money cause he is popular
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Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Genielda,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=VkKm3tb4,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-31T22:22:36.656+0000) > > ffs this is really fucking annoying to explain over and over. It looks like that's me that has to explain over and over. I'm saying that PoE specifcally targets whales. You said that LoL does the same. I explained why they are different. LoL doesn't specifcally target whales like PoE does. The system is the same, but the target audience isn't. You don't need to be rude just because you don't understand. > you said riots problem is the programs we use to install the skills. > please find riots quote for this because I have no heard this and also it should be a none factor. They have said in the past about stuff like LoLReplay and the likes. I know it isn't skins, but it's a 3rd party like the ones you use to install Custom Skins. That's just the thing. And they did said that they can't monitor all programs that exist. I won't dig for that quote tough. > ffs im gonna rip my hair out. Don't. Hair is precious. > can we stop this "tectnically" crap. > Its either correct or its not. > this "tectnically" thing just means "in this fake case im correct" > and i dont think you understand what you actually read... like at all.. You, yourself, CANNOT ALTER the files. Simple as that. It's illegal. I say "techincally" because they don't really care. That clause is just there for other stuff; not for custom skins specifically. > by this meaning then updating the client be bannable since your modifying the client (alot more then changing a skin file as well) Straw-man fallacy again. You really like doing that :) I'm not the one altering the files; the patcher is. Patcher which is deployed by Riot, not me. I don't alter anything, they do.
i quit. I was saying league does I was nither does but if one did league would be the worst of the two. this conversation is going no where and its draged on long enough.
Febos (EUW)
: Before I say anything let me ask you something. For future discussion use the '\>' sign to make it easier to understand what you are quoting from me. *** > [{quoted}](name=Genielda,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=VkKm3tb4,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-31T01:49:51.927+0000) > > &quot;Show me one quote, oficially from Riot, where they state that &quot;Custom Skins are Legal&quot;. > Simple stuff. Do that, if you can.&quot; > http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2436518&amp;page=17#post27906871 > I&#x27;m not aware of any, but if you believe you ARE a legitimate case of being banned solely for modification of skins/splash art, send in a support ticket with specifics and reference me in the ticket. I can promise one of two things: a) it will be corrected; or b) you&#x27;ll get a good explanation why it won&#x27;t be. You are still missing the point, but I'll go into that further on. > by your logic so does riot since assassin master yi cost 390 rp and project yi cost 1850 or as you said &quot;providing better options for those that can afford them&quot; Again with the straw-man fallacy. You can't compare Assasin Master Yi, a skin which was release back in 2009, to the ones we have now. You could compare the "Star Guardian" theme. On those, one clearly is more expensive than the others. Still, that doesn't mean that THE WHOLE system is aimed at whales. Sure, some are expensive for those who can afford, but the entire system doesn't revolve around that. The same can't be said about PoE and games from Zynga. By the way: I'm not bashing PoE. I love the game, but I just don't like their payment model. That's up to them tough. > &quot;If you know how to change skins yourself, then you don&#x27;t need a 3rd party. Relying on 3rd parties is what makes their job &quot;difficult&quot;. They could just ban anyone that alters game files, whatever change it may be, but they don&#x27;t do exactly because most of those don&#x27;t impact gameplay.&quot; > Please find a quote for this because as far as i know this is false. I don't understand what you mean by this. What is false? > It&#x27;s not &quot;oh look it&#x27;s expensive&quot;, it&#x27;s more like &quot;everything here is expensive&quot;. That&#x27;s whale targeting. > Riot provides a lot of different prices. > ok which area do you want me to look at in pertciular > lets go with armor. > yes the obsidian seraph pack cost 420 coins. (about 42 dollars) > but then again spirit guard udyr cost 3250 rp (about 25 dollars) > > also if i scroll down a bit.. oh.. > bear armor pack 380 coins thats like 1820 rp > further still and the is elite armor for 320 coins You are not being loyal. Allow me to disprove you. Path of Exile 200 points = 20$ = 10 points per $ (the "best" pack) 2800 RP = 20$ = 140 RP per $ [Path of Exile - Armor Effects](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects) [Gloom Armour Pack](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects#microtransaction-GloomArmourPack) 315 points ~= 31,5 $ [Seraph Obsidian Pack](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects#microtransaction-SeraphObsidianPack) 420 points ~= 42 $ [Lightning Armor Pack](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects#microtransaction-LightningArmourPack) 420 points ~= 42$ Let's go for chaper ones now [Weapon Effects](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/weapon-effects) [Steam Powered Weapon](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/weapon-effects#microtransaction-SteampoweredBlade) 190 points ~= 19 $ [Radian-Axe](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/weapon-effects#microtransaction-RadiantAxe) 150 points ~= 15 $ [Seraph Dagger](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/weapon-effects#microtransaction-SeraphDagger) 110 points ~= 11 $ Do you know how many skins you can buy with 20 $? (2800 RP) For starters, that's like 2 skins of 975 RP and another of <975 Rp. Most of the items PoE has are really expensive, like I showed you in the Armor Packs. Riot not only has 50% off skins every month, but they also have event exlusive skins (Teemoing shop for instance). *** > Well in theory yes but we live in the real world and this wont happen thats why riot is the richist game company and its been allowed for the past 6 seasons. If you want Ideas in theory that never happen in reality then lets remove all money and everyone will do their fair share to make the world a better place without material motivation. (that has a name for it but I dont know the name feel free to say the name if you know it) That's an Utopia. I also believe in that ideal world, altough it might be next to impossible to ever reach it. > &quot;Should Riot officially alow them? I don&#x27;t know and don&#x27;t really care.&quot; > Well you clearly care to some aspect if you invested this much time in a conversation. I don't care if they decide to make Custom Skins official or not. Players will still use them regardless, unless they officially "ban" them, which I doubt they will. Because I don't use them it doesn't really affect me, however if someone asked me to "chose a side", I would be in favour of the custom skins being legal. Still, Riot has the ultimate word on that. I'm only interested in this discussion because I don't have all the answers and I want to see both sides of the wall. > Custom skins, or any game file tinkering, is illegal. That&#x27;s the truth.&quot; > you keep saying they are illegal I am kind of temped just to put a link for everytime you said it... but I think we be here all day xP Technically they are. But as I've stated, they just overlook it. If they needed a reason to ban someone who does that, which they don't need really (terms of use again), they could use that to "justify" it. *** On a side note. You don't need to downvote me from multiple accounts. I've ackowledge that you don't agree with me, but you don't need to down-vote me from multiple sources. I could do the same, but that's just pointless ;) *** Going back to this now: > You are still missing the point, but I'll go into that further on. When I say that they can't monitor every program, I mean that they can't say which programs are safe and which aren't. Let's say you are a naive user and pick up the "ABC" program to use custom skins. That program is actually a malware in disguise that uses your client do malicious stuff. You, the naive user, don't know that there's something running in the background, because you don't how that stuff works. Let's say that another user, a more experience one, picks up the "GGWP" program that also changes skins. This one, however, actually only changes skins and nothing else. Naive user and experienced user know each other and both use the same "kind" of program. Then naive user is banned and a stream of "why did you ban me? custom skins are legal..." starts flowing in. That's what I mean by "not being able to distinguish good guys from bad guys". The "good guy" and "bad guy" here are the programs, not the users. They can't say that "ABC", "GGWP", "1234", "POL", ... are all safe, unless they check them all regularly. By allowing Custom skins they would make it easier for users to fall into a scam. The only way they could have some kind of guarantee, is if they officially allowed ONE specific program to be used. I hope I made myself clear this time. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
>Again with the straw-man fallacy. You can't compare Assasin Master Yi, a skin which was release back in 2009, to the ones we have now. You could compare the "Star Guardian" theme. On those, one clearly is more expensive than the others. Still, that doesn't mean that THE WHOLE system is aimed at whales. Sure, some are expensive for those who can afford, but the entire system doesn't revolve around that. The same can't be said about PoE and games from Zynga. By the way: I'm not bashing PoE. I love the game, but I just don't like their payment model. That's up to them tough. ffs this is really fucking annoying to explain over and over. THE COST DOESNT DETERMINE THEIR MONEY MAKING METHODS THE PRODUCT THEIR SELLING DOES THEY ARE BOTH SELLING COSMETIC ITEMS AND NOT GAME BALANCE THEREFORE THEY BOTH USE THE SAME FUCKING SYSTEM!! The cost does not effect the fucking system? can we get threw this fucking point. a coke being sold for £1 and a pepsi being sold for £2 in the same shop does NOT mean its a different fucking system. Can we get this point through ffs? watch the video i already linked because you DONT understand what the fuck a way is or the payment system and its really fucking annoying. its like going {{champion:238}} is an ap champion. over and over and over. not even in a ironic way its like you believe that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U >I don't understand what you mean by this. What is false? you said riots problem is the programs we use to install the skills. please find riots quote for this because I have no heard this and also it should be a none factor. Its like saying youtube wont work on interested explorer since its a google own company so google limits it to google chrome only. >You are not being loyal. Allow me to disprove you. Path of Exile 200 points = 20$ = 10 points per $ (the "best" pack) 2800 RP = 20$ = 140 RP per $ Path of Exile - Armor Effects Gloom Armour Pack 315 points ~= 31,5 $ Seraph Obsidian Pack 420 points ~= 42 $ Lightning Armor Pack 420 points ~= 42$ Let's go for chaper ones now Weapon Effects Steam Powered Weapon 190 points ~= 19 $ Radian-Axe 150 points ~= 15 $ Seraph Dagger 110 points ~= 11 $ ffs im gonna rip my hair out. THE COST ISNT THE THING THAT DECIDES THE SYSTEM. Riot selling an extra rune slot per page for £0.5 is selling power. That means they will target whales. a fucking cosmetic item for ANY price does not mean its targeting whales. For real it could be £5000000. its still not a whale targeting game. selling an extra rune slot per page to an unlimited amount because the person who spent the most for the most extra rune slots would have a flat advantage. Doesnt matter if its 5 runes more or 5000 runes more. ffs can we get this concept right?! > Technically they are. But as I've stated, they just overlook it. If they needed a reason to ban someone who does that, which they don't need really (terms of use again), they could use that to "justify" it. can we stop this "tectnically" crap. Its either correct or its not. this "tectnically" thing just means "in this fake case im correct" and i dont think you understand what you actually read... like at all.. by this meaning then updating the client be bannable since your modifying the client (alot more then changing a skin file as well) >On a side note. You don't need to downvote me from multiple accounts. I've ackowledge that you don't agree with me, but you don't need to down-vote me from multiple sources. I could do the same, but that's just pointless ;) havnt downvoted you once. https://i.imgsafe.org/7c356ddfc9.png I dont up or down vote I dont take part in that. I also dont report or honor people. like the only "upvotes" i do are the ones pre put on my own comments and posts. If you want downvote me I dont really care about up or downvotes if you looked at some of my discussions the would be some that im -7 in. Like my view of boosting I dont believe people being boosted ruins league. I got about -15 downvotes for that but I cant justify it as one person with 15 accounts thats simply bonkers. (plus I only have 2 accounts anyway... and I really cant be assed to level like 5 more accounts to level 10 or whatever level they need to be to access boards)
GodLikeYi (EUNE)
: Free Alistar Skin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_4vVmfbtA
Max (EUW)
: Pax Twisted Fate Teemoing Shop ???
DELDE115 (EUW)
: [NEW SPLASH ARTS!!!] Bard Bard, Jayce Brighthammer, Sejuani Dawnchaser AND TWITCH!!!!!
Amtrying (EUNE)
: What??? I agree that I should have been banned for it, but not permaban and plus I didn't know at the time.
well to be honest what you think the punishment should be doesnt matter. I dont think spirit guard udyr should be 3250 rp. does my view on that matter? no its buy the skin or leave it. and tell me the one game where account sharing is allowed. just one game. because i have NEVER had a game say that and everytime you add a new friend on league first thing it says in red text is like "riot employies will never ask you for your password" "dont share your account details with anyone" ect ect
Amtrying (EUNE)
: Well you don't know the hole story so it would be a bit ignorant of you to say that.
its in the fucking terms and conditions xD the is no "story" to {{champion:420}} it account sharing is not allowed and your complaining that your banned because you did something that wasn't allowed? You might as just install sctrips while your at it and be like "wtf why am i banned for installing scrips? You dont know the whole story to why i scrip!"
DELDE115 (EUW)
: What or why? I like the stickers facebook offers because the Harrowing stickers we have are kinda boring.
what. and i guess youu answered with face book (has never owned a facebook account or any social account expect youtube and skype)
Amtrying (EUNE)
: permanently banned
well sorry but you are a bit stupid for giving someone your account.
DELDE115 (EUW)
: GUYS, ITS COMING!!!!!! WINTER SUMMONERS RIFT!!!!
what did you search for those stickers?
: want freelo?
all ad team. no real engage. jayce would lose a poking contest to a real poker. since they cant force an engage if the was something like{{champion:101}} with a {{item:3003}} and a healer their team comp would basically get shut down.
: Love you <3
<3 {{sticker:zombie-nunu-hearts}}
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Genielda,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=VkKm3tb4,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-10-31T00:35:53.511+0000) > > riot has openly admitted to supporting custom skins for along time they openly said it doesnt cut into profits and it doesn&#x27;t harm game balance. Show me one quote, oficially from Riot, where they state that "Custom Skins are Legal". Simple stuff. Do that, if you can. > Secondly its clear you havnt read the terms of service because they say your not allowed to edit gameplay features, that is different to gameplay visuals lol. I read the Terms of Use everytime they update it. [Terms of Use - Part 7](http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#section7) > We monitor use of the Riot Services for a wide variety of different purposes, including preventing cheating and hacking Albeit this part of agreement isn't aimed at cheating, they clearly state that they monitor what you do with your game. Altering game files is considered "hacking" and thus it's not legal to do so. Changing skins isn't the same as adding timers, like you said, but both are equally illegal. YOU CAN'T ALTER GAME FILES. > thirdly &quot;not that easy to check every single 3rd party that does something with your client&quot; your lack of information with files is amazing. > Its extremely easy since files are saved as .dds files. > Which clearly do not interact with code of gameplay elements. You are making assumtpions about me and you are completly incorrect in doing so. When I said "they can't check every 3rd party" I'm stating that they can't distinguish between "good guys from bad guys". Changing one image doesn't do anything, but you don't know what else said program changed in your game files; especially those that require you to launch something else first. If you know how to change skins yourself, then you don't need a 3rd party. Relying on 3rd parties is what makes their job "difficult". They could just ban anyone that alters game files, whatever change it may be, but they don't do exactly because most of those don't impact gameplay. > Riot has stated themselves it does not cut into their profits so this reason is a lie. > Plus most people do not use custom skins for this reason anyway. Show me a quote that proves that. They may have said something like "players that use custom skins doesn't affect us", but they didn't say "if EVERYONE uses custom skins it makes no difference". Custom skin users are a minority and that's why they say it doesn't affect them. If suddenly everyone starts using it, then I guarantee you that they'll have a decline. > If people did this they would of been doing it the last 6 seasons the very fact that people still buy riot skins proves this point has no value at all. Custom Skins are not well known withtin the community. We are talking about milions of players here. Only a minority knows what custom skins are. Those who buy custom skins will also buy "legal" skins, because they can. It doesn't mean that if EVERYONE knew what they are and how to get them, that they would still buy "legal" ones. > &quot;You have Riot&#x27;s skins. There are plenty of them and a lot of good ones.&quot; > Your somehow seem to think the number of riot skins is a factor? if the was only 1 skin for every champion would you then say custom skins should be allowed? What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say that the numbers of skins is a factor? I said that "there are a lot of skins and a lot of good ones". Why do you try so much to twist my words? Sad... What I'm saying here is that there's no need to use custom skins because we have plenty of great skins, for all tastes really. It's not like every skins is a re-colour of the original, like they did in the past. We have plenty of thematically different skins and that should be enough to sastify everyone. > That is the reality of custom skins. > offering skins not provided by riot. I know it is. Riot will not make a "blood moon" themed skin for every champion, but there may be a "blood moon" custom skin for each. > btw that &quot;other options&quot; thing just doesnt work. > &quot;you can have a neon pick room or a neon blue room&quot; > you: but i dont like those (pretend you dont like neon) > &quot;well the is neon yellow, neon green, neon red ect&quot; > can you see how fruitless of an argument that is. I've already stated what I meant by that above. Thematically different skins ("Other options"). > &quot;I don&#x27;t know if you are familiar with the concept, but there&#x27;s something called &quot;whale targeting&quot; in video games business. Some companies that offer a Free2Play model&quot; > league knows the second they try this tactic they will basically kill league and they will kill e sports in the public eye possibly forever so yeah where your going with this argument will never happen. They can't change now, but they could have used it since the beggining. That's my argument. They could have used a different free2play model, but they chose this one. > I play poe... both have the same pay systems.. > cosmetics... > The ONLY difference. > is the price. > So your idea of &quot;whale&quot; targeting is wrong. No it's not. "Whale targeting" is providing better options for those that can afford them. In PoE's case it's only cosmetic, so it doesn't impact gameplay. Companies like Zynga do the opposite; they target whales providing them with more "power", gameplay wise. > oh btw whale targeting is not going &quot;oh look its expensive&quot; It's not "oh look it's expensive", it's more like "everything here is expensive". That's whale targeting. Riot provides a lot of different prices. > If that was the case then riot is WAY worst then path of exile with the £1400 annie skin I have. I can't take you seriously when you say something like this. You are making a straw-man fallacy. Just because 1 skin is expensive it doesn't mean that the entire paying model is bad compared to someone else's. Path of Exile only sells expensive stuff. *** Bottom line is: you are making assumptions about me and tried to hard to twist what I said. What I said is true. Custom skins were never "legal", in every sence of the word, altough they were overlooked. That's the point of this discussion really. Are custom skins a good alternative? They are. Are custom skins bad for their business? They are (if everyone used them). Should Riot officially alow them? I don't know and don't really care. It's their game; their model. I'll ride the boat until they fuck something up real bad. It's not like they don't take feedback, like a lot of people usually imply. Custom skins, or any game file tinkering, is illegal. That's the truth.
(part 2) "If that was the case then riot is WAY worst then path of exile with the £1400 annie skin I have. I can't take you seriously when you say something like this. You are making a straw-man fallacy. Just because 1 skin is expensive it doesn't mean that the entire paying model is bad compared to someone else's. Path of Exile only sells expensive stuff." already been over this "both have a range of things at different costs" but are you really gonna say im using a straw man? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X5AOkWjuGBk/T9X0FCuiaiI/AAAAAAAAANU/pzZVq6ZZwsg/s400/Pot_Calling_the_Kettle_Black_T-Shirt.png "Bottom line is: you are making assumptions about me and tried to hard to twist what I said. What I said is true. Custom skins were never "legal", in every sence of the word, altough they were overlooked. That's the point of this discussion really." Well I havnt made assumpions since I back it up with proof and all the evidence you ask for I have provided you with so... yeah. As for trying to twist what you said I have quoted everything I am replying to. If it looks like im trying to (twist) that might be more a misunderstand then intentional. As for the "legal" thing I have provided the proof (and I can put more but do you really want 20 links?) "Are custom skins a good alternative? They are." so whats the downside!? "Are custom skins bad for their business? They are (if everyone used them)." Well in theory yes but we live in the real world and this wont happen thats why riot is the richist game company and its been allowed for the past 6 seasons. If you want Ideas in theory that never happen in reality then lets remove all money and everyone will do their fair share to make the world a better place without material motivation. (that has a name for it but I dont know the name feel free to say the name if you know it) "Should Riot officially alow them? I don't know and don't really care." Well you clearly care to some aspect if you invested this much time in a conversation. That answer might look childish of me but I mean it valid. I do have an interest because I will never be happy with a action that limits my choice no matter what the action is even if I would not use those choices I still prefer them there. Like {{item:3056}} never once got the item. properly never will. Do I want it removed? fuck no. "It's their game; their model. I'll ride the boat until they fuck something up real bad. It's not like they don't take feedback, like a lot of people usually imply. Custom skins, or any game file tinkering, is illegal. That's the truth." you keep saying they are illegal I am kind of temped just to put a link for everytime you said it... but I think we be here all day xP
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Genielda,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=VkKm3tb4,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-10-31T00:35:53.511+0000) > > riot has openly admitted to supporting custom skins for along time they openly said it doesnt cut into profits and it doesn&#x27;t harm game balance. Show me one quote, oficially from Riot, where they state that "Custom Skins are Legal". Simple stuff. Do that, if you can. > Secondly its clear you havnt read the terms of service because they say your not allowed to edit gameplay features, that is different to gameplay visuals lol. I read the Terms of Use everytime they update it. [Terms of Use - Part 7](http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#section7) > We monitor use of the Riot Services for a wide variety of different purposes, including preventing cheating and hacking Albeit this part of agreement isn't aimed at cheating, they clearly state that they monitor what you do with your game. Altering game files is considered "hacking" and thus it's not legal to do so. Changing skins isn't the same as adding timers, like you said, but both are equally illegal. YOU CAN'T ALTER GAME FILES. > thirdly &quot;not that easy to check every single 3rd party that does something with your client&quot; your lack of information with files is amazing. > Its extremely easy since files are saved as .dds files. > Which clearly do not interact with code of gameplay elements. You are making assumtpions about me and you are completly incorrect in doing so. When I said "they can't check every 3rd party" I'm stating that they can't distinguish between "good guys from bad guys". Changing one image doesn't do anything, but you don't know what else said program changed in your game files; especially those that require you to launch something else first. If you know how to change skins yourself, then you don't need a 3rd party. Relying on 3rd parties is what makes their job "difficult". They could just ban anyone that alters game files, whatever change it may be, but they don't do exactly because most of those don't impact gameplay. > Riot has stated themselves it does not cut into their profits so this reason is a lie. > Plus most people do not use custom skins for this reason anyway. Show me a quote that proves that. They may have said something like "players that use custom skins doesn't affect us", but they didn't say "if EVERYONE uses custom skins it makes no difference". Custom skin users are a minority and that's why they say it doesn't affect them. If suddenly everyone starts using it, then I guarantee you that they'll have a decline. > If people did this they would of been doing it the last 6 seasons the very fact that people still buy riot skins proves this point has no value at all. Custom Skins are not well known withtin the community. We are talking about milions of players here. Only a minority knows what custom skins are. Those who buy custom skins will also buy "legal" skins, because they can. It doesn't mean that if EVERYONE knew what they are and how to get them, that they would still buy "legal" ones. > &quot;You have Riot&#x27;s skins. There are plenty of them and a lot of good ones.&quot; > Your somehow seem to think the number of riot skins is a factor? if the was only 1 skin for every champion would you then say custom skins should be allowed? What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say that the numbers of skins is a factor? I said that "there are a lot of skins and a lot of good ones". Why do you try so much to twist my words? Sad... What I'm saying here is that there's no need to use custom skins because we have plenty of great skins, for all tastes really. It's not like every skins is a re-colour of the original, like they did in the past. We have plenty of thematically different skins and that should be enough to sastify everyone. > That is the reality of custom skins. > offering skins not provided by riot. I know it is. Riot will not make a "blood moon" themed skin for every champion, but there may be a "blood moon" custom skin for each. > btw that &quot;other options&quot; thing just doesnt work. > &quot;you can have a neon pick room or a neon blue room&quot; > you: but i dont like those (pretend you dont like neon) > &quot;well the is neon yellow, neon green, neon red ect&quot; > can you see how fruitless of an argument that is. I've already stated what I meant by that above. Thematically different skins ("Other options"). > &quot;I don&#x27;t know if you are familiar with the concept, but there&#x27;s something called &quot;whale targeting&quot; in video games business. Some companies that offer a Free2Play model&quot; > league knows the second they try this tactic they will basically kill league and they will kill e sports in the public eye possibly forever so yeah where your going with this argument will never happen. They can't change now, but they could have used it since the beggining. That's my argument. They could have used a different free2play model, but they chose this one. > I play poe... both have the same pay systems.. > cosmetics... > The ONLY difference. > is the price. > So your idea of &quot;whale&quot; targeting is wrong. No it's not. "Whale targeting" is providing better options for those that can afford them. In PoE's case it's only cosmetic, so it doesn't impact gameplay. Companies like Zynga do the opposite; they target whales providing them with more "power", gameplay wise. > oh btw whale targeting is not going &quot;oh look its expensive&quot; It's not "oh look it's expensive", it's more like "everything here is expensive". That's whale targeting. Riot provides a lot of different prices. > If that was the case then riot is WAY worst then path of exile with the £1400 annie skin I have. I can't take you seriously when you say something like this. You are making a straw-man fallacy. Just because 1 skin is expensive it doesn't mean that the entire paying model is bad compared to someone else's. Path of Exile only sells expensive stuff. *** Bottom line is: you are making assumptions about me and tried to hard to twist what I said. What I said is true. Custom skins were never "legal", in every sence of the word, altough they were overlooked. That's the point of this discussion really. Are custom skins a good alternative? They are. Are custom skins bad for their business? They are (if everyone used them). Should Riot officially alow them? I don't know and don't really care. It's their game; their model. I'll ride the boat until they fuck something up real bad. It's not like they don't take feedback, like a lot of people usually imply. Custom skins, or any game file tinkering, is illegal. That's the truth.
"Show me one quote, oficially from Riot, where they state that "Custom Skins are Legal". Simple stuff. Do that, if you can." http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2436518&page=17#post27906871 Lomar, Associate Producer: Quote: EmaíIsupport: Yes, there are multiple threads with this. But recently a lot of people have been banned for file modification/hacking even though they just replaced splash arts. And when they asked the support they got this answer. It's ridiculous. Riot are really getting greedy. I find it a little curious how the thread starts out with "modification is against the EULA (and the ToS), so you might get banned!" and then it slowly creeps into "a lot of people have been banned". All without substantive support. There's some misinformation here, so allow me, as the dude responsible for that document and the policies behind it, to clear this up a little. There is a no-modification clause. It was there on the first day LoL launched. The no-modification clause hasn't been modified (heh) since then. This is something pretty standard you'll see in EULA/ToS documents for most software. The objective is to give a software maker more angles to pursue hackers or other parties that are changing software in a way that harms the original maker. Copyright law (e.g. the DMCA) gives you this same exact ability, but sticking it into a contract like a EULA/ToS just gives you an additional angle of approach. But I'd go take a look at the legal documents for other commercial software you own - my guess is you're not going to find many lacking a no-mod clause. Now that said, a legal document really exists to just create a set of potential rights. No company enforces every provision of their EULA/ToS, and they enforce to varying degrees. Different violations have different implications to the business, and there are varying costs to enforcing. You don't just push a button. Some enforcements, like takedowns of phishing sites, can take months and cost thousands. So what that means is any company, from MSFT to Google on down, is selective. In our case, we've made a decision that custom skins/splashes aren't necessarily hurting the business. Our business is in making our players happy - the ability to custom stuff is likely what keeps certain people interested in our game, and acts as a force multiplier for other people. From that perspective, banning people is incredibly stupid. We're forcing people out of our game, and lessening the experience of other players, for no real clear benefit. That said, it's important that we reserve our rights to defend the IP here. There may be certain custom skins (Nazi Teemo!) that we may have a legitimate problem with. And there are other modifications (Zoom hack!) that are a certifiable balance issue and need to be prevented. Custom creation will always be at your own risk - updates may break functionality, etc. But we also aren't going to just toss out arbitrary bans. It's not in our players' interests, and so it's definitely not in ours. TLDR: No-modification clauses are standard in software EULA/ToS documents. LoL has always had one. Custom-modding is always at your own risk, but we generally don't ban for anything unless it's clearly harmful to LoL or our players. The vast majority of custom splashes/skins will NOT fall into this bucket. I'm not aware of any, but if you believe you ARE a legitimate case of being banned solely for modification of skins/splash art, send in a support ticket with specifics and reference me in the ticket. I can promise one of two things: a) it will be corrected; or b) you'll get a good explanation why it won't be. _** "but both are equally illegal." from the quote I provided you can see that they are fine. "I play poe... both have the same pay systems.. cosmetics... The ONLY difference. is the price. So your idea of "whale" targeting is wrong. No it's not. "Whale targeting" is providing better options for those that can afford them. In PoE's case it's only cosmetic, so it doesn't impact gameplay. Companies like Zynga do the opposite; they target whales providing them with more "power", gameplay wise." ok read what i said are read what you said. me only different is price. you "providing better options for those that can afford them. In PoE's case it's only cosmetic," you said poe targets whales with this. by your logic so does riot since assassin master yi cost 390 rp and project yi cost 1850 or as you said "providing better options for those that can afford them" Something you might find interesting : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U (at least watch the 5:20 onwards) "If you know how to change skins yourself, then you don't need a 3rd party. Relying on 3rd parties is what makes their job "difficult". They could just ban anyone that alters game files, whatever change it may be, but they don't do exactly because most of those don't impact gameplay." Please find a quote for this because as far as i know this is false. It's not "oh look it's expensive", it's more like "everything here is expensive". That's whale targeting. Riot provides a lot of different prices. ok which area do you want me to look at in pertciular lets go with armor. yes the obsidian seraph pack cost 420 coins. (about 42 dollars) but then again spirit guard udyr cost 3250 rp (about 25 dollars) also if i scroll down a bit.. oh.. bear armor pack 380 coins thats like 1820 rp further still and the is elite armor for 320 coins Yes the price range is alot tighter then league but it still has a price range of different prices also it allows you to just buy the parts of the armor you want. only want elite helmet? only 95 coins. but can i buy dunkmaster {{champion:122}} axe and give it {{champion:119}} ? no. Like Im gonna pretend to be you for a second. (in path of exile you can buy a bandana for 40 coins that is 4 dollars 4 dollars in rp is 552 rp therefore league of legends targets whales with it 3250 rp skins!) You can see the logic is stupid rather easy. Both games have a range of cost going as like as 2-5 dollars and both have stupidly expensive things as well *COUGH* http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/2016/02/25/hextech-annie.jpg *COUGH* https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pfoe0Ic9rQY/V2gw22nn1BI/AAAAAAAA72A/mcQq9wuX4cQIxCImUaISAkJ2rhZI_kfGQCLcB/s1600/Vayne_Splash_10.jpg Even if you ignore my terrible luck the average cost for 10 gemstones on average is £650 (about 792 dollars) (part 1 of 2 char limit)
: You really think that Riot overlooked Kayle when they created an item that gives AD, AP, attack speed and magic damage on hit?
The very fact she was nerfed the nerf 4 patches in a row after the changes are proof. I dont need to think about it the proof is there.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zalmez,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=VkKm3tb4,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-30T23:21:50.822+0000) > > My main question is &amp;quot;why ending it?&amp;quot; Because it was never a thing in the first place. They have just let it slide under the rug. It's not that easy to check every single 3rd party that does something with your client. However, if you read the ToS (terms of use) you are not allowed to change anything on your client, such as skins. > I see from the business perspective of it,but thinking of the amount of work put into this (something riot should know themselves). I also get that some skins are made with &amp;quot;benefits&amp;quot; which goes against terms of service something that got banned from wooxy pretty fast and doesn&amp;#039;t fit in with the competitive part. If everyone just used custom skins instead of buying Riot's skins, then they would have to implement something for players to spend money on. Honestly, I don't League to be pay2win. Like I said above, they can't check every 3rd party that changes something on your client. As far as you know, that "XPTO" programm that use only changes skins, but you don't know if it is doing something else in the background. > So are riot generally against the small ability of customization? You have Riot's skins. There are plenty of them and a lot of good ones. You might not have that "Pikachu Kennen" skin, but you have other options. Also, they have sales every month so we can't really complain about skins being unaffordable. Riot has one of the best paying services there is. I don't know if you are familiar with the concept, but there's something called "whale targeting" in video games business. Some companies that offer a Free2Play model, will have some way of generating profit: Ingame power-ups (aka pay2win) and cosmetic. Those two are the most used ones. Then you have something called "whales". Those guys pay HUGES ammount of money to have something that others don't have. In the cosmetic field, I'm talking about something like 60 euro for a skin. Riot doesn't do that. The most expensive thing you can buy will cost you 20€ and the less expensive can go as low as 3€ (that's how much I've spent in the game). If you want a good example of what "whale targeting" looks like, check out [Path of Exile's Shop](https://www.pathofexile.com/shop). The game itself is free, but every micro-transaction (cosmetics) is absurdly expensive. I'm happy we have such a good paying model with League of Legends.
most of the stuff you said is wrong. firstly riot letting it "slide" riot has openly admitted to supporting custom skins for along time they openly said it doesnt cut into profits and it doesn't harm game balance. Secondly its clear you havnt read the terms of service because they say your not allowed to edit gameplay features, that is different to gameplay visuals lol. It means adding times or removing fog of war. thirdly "not that easy to check every single 3rd party that does something with your client" your lack of information with files is amazing. Its extremely easy since files are saved as .dds files. Which clearly do not interact with code of gameplay elements. Its like if I went through your computer and saw a file as a jpeg. It does not matter whats on the jpeg its a jpeg. its an picture. your not gonna click it and suddenly google chrome is gonna pop up. You could change the icon of it on the desktop or the name to google chrome but the format of the file will still be a jpeg meaning it will have no programming functions expect displaying a bit map of pixels with colour values to create a picture. "If everyone just used custom skins instead of buying Riot's skins, then they would have to implement something for players to spend money on. Honestly, I don't League to be pay2win." Riot has stated themselves it does not cut into their profits so this reason is a lie. Plus most people do not use custom skins for this reason anyway. I spent £1400 on hextect annie but you think the reason im using battle cast rengar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDA2ILy37Aw over all the other rengar skins (which i own) is to avoid paying riot? Thats an extremely stupid way of avoiding paying riot if you ask me. Plus want proof people wouldnt just all use free skins? LOOK AT THE GAME NOW! If people did this they would of been doing it the last 6 seasons the very fact that people still buy riot skins proves this point has no value at all. "You have Riot's skins. There are plenty of them and a lot of good ones." your argument is basically this picture with this statement: http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/6162014112152.jpg Your somehow seem to think the number of riot skins is a factor? if the was only 1 skin for every champion would you then say custom skins should be allowed? Lets say you play {{champion:98}} the only skin for shen is bloodmoon shen and lets say you dont dont like this skin. meanwhile in custom skin pretend they have surgeon shen warlord shen yellow jacket shen frozen shen tpa shen. That is the reality of custom skins. offering skins not provided by riot. btw that "other options" thing just doesnt work. "you can have a neon pick room or a neon blue room" you: but i dont like those (pretend you dont like neon) "well the is neon yellow, neon green, neon red ect" can you see how fruitless of an argument that is. "I don't know if you are familiar with the concept, but there's something called "whale targeting" in video games business. Some companies that offer a Free2Play model" league knows the second they try this tactic they will basically kill league and they will kill e sports in the public eye possibly forever so yeah where your going with this argument will never happen. "If you want a good example of what "whale targeting" looks like, check out Path of Exile's Shop. The game itself is free, but every micro-transaction (cosmetics) is absurdly expensive. I'm happy we have such a good paying model with League of Legends." I play poe... both have the same pay systems.. cosmetics... The ONLY difference. is the price. So your idea of "whale" targeting is wrong. Whale targeting is the concept of selling power so those that can spend the most on the game have the most power and its extremely common among chinese and korean gamers its actually quite rare for those games to make it overseas and if league of legends went this approach you would basically remove 95% of the playbase instantly since china would be the only real demographic and korea already has many games contesting that market and league couldnt be able to step a foot in side ways. oh btw whale targeting is not going "oh look its expensive" If that was the case then riot is WAY worst then path of exile with the £1400 annie skin I have.
PPR Indi (EUW)
: graves not fitting his theme? what does that mean, he fitted the adc macho style perfectly with his shotgun, now hes hardly played after a few months of the re-work since hes just a jungler... and next season he will never be picked because of the new tank/assassin meta
*goes on champion .gg clicks jungle pick rate* oh 7.65% of games he is in at position 7 (of 49) above champions like nidalee and nunu, yeah he is literally never picked... and wtf do you mean he wont be picked in an assassintank meta? that sounds like the perfect meta for him. assassins cant kill him because of his inbuilt tank stats and he can easy burst them back. tanks cant kill him due to not dealing enough damage to counter his sustain with warlords lifesteal mastery or {{item:3812}} and lets not forget both assassins and tanks want to be melee range leading to greaves dealing... more damage... and healing more... You sure you arnt just been playing the new graves wrong since he is classed as one of the most op junglers atm with {{champion:76}} and {{champion:154}} and your two reasons for why he be weak and very uninformed. If you want graves to be weak stuff like {{champion:101}} {{champion:115}} need to become strong again since they can bully him and deny him sustain.
: Champions need items that synergize... if you wanna call it "abuse items" ok so be it, but i don't think this idea is very productive.
the is "items that work well" like {{item:3057}} on {{champion:81}} and then the is overlooked mechanics leading to items breaking. kayle does the second one. thats why every time she does find an item combo the items/she or sometimes both is nerfed. I mean if you look at her patchnotes its pretty fucking hard to find a buff and if it is its between like 20 nerfs. its like old poppy. riot wouldnt allow her early to be strong at all and if anyone found a way to by pass it. bang instant nerf.
PPR Indi (EUW)
: yes rework every champ.. lol no, i got pissed when they rework graves as I used to main him adc, now you cant poke for shit when theres a minion wave in front of your face, Yorick i also used to play time to time, knwo hes completely changed... Honestly big re-works are pretty much new champions.. Kayle isnt in the meta for now, just like corki.. DO i bitch about corki needing a rework becuase he isnt being picked as of now? no....
well corkie comes in meta due to his kit ... kayle doesnt come in meta she just finds items to abuse and then dies again when they get nerfed. also graves was reworked for the reason of not fitting his theme. yorick for having a toxic kit that had no real counterplay.
Febos (EUW)
: I've read somewhere over at Surrender@20 that Riot has stated that they'll update Kayle and Morgana together, so there's still a long way until that day.
sister rework? xP well its nice to know im not the only one that think kayle needs a change. dont get morgana needs one tho maybe the black shield or something is a problem since it shuts down cc champs really hard.
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Jlosd (EUW)
: Halloween Pumpkin - Little Devil Teemo
it looks cool but if you do this next year can you not pretend your on a swing? lol
mustafa2881 (EUNE)
: who is are you Kappa OP grammar mate!
ZVRAGG (EUW)
: Skin idea for Braum + Spells illustrations
not speedos tho... shorts... and then id like it... pink shorts ok but i dont want skin tight shit around his "package"
XIC Wolf (EUW)
: For nothing ;_; I simply chat in this discord we're all in and for some odd reason, people love to write fanfics of me. Its not like I ever asked for it, it just happens.
*cracks knuckles* so its fair to say your {{champion:22}} has been http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/e/e7/Primordial_Burst.png/revision/latest?cb=20130929123427&format=webp a few times once you hit the http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/81/Event_Horizon.png/revision/latest?cb=20130929123427&format=webp and left you filled with http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/17/Dark_Matter.png/revision/latest?cb=20130929123425&format=webp after a few http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/fd/Baleful_Strike.png/revision/latest?cb=20130929123424&format=webp {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
XIC Wolf (EUW)
: Cant express with words just how much I hate you man, lmao
who is are you? (wolf in tux) or what are you known for?
Nr 903 (EUNE)
: you're*
*throws bottle of bleach at him* have a drink on the house. {{champion:79}}
Altiverse (EUNE)
: Anyone got their Devil Teemo icon yet?
i got mine on the first day
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Doomley (EUW)
: >Yes I know my fault for using logic in a league related subject. Well if you did use logic, you would have looked at the name in the picture :) (also it says level 30 and not 4 :/ )
Oh my screen it says level 4 but when you click his profile it says 30... I don't know if it's me my PC or riot but that's weird.
Doomley (EUW)
: would be a lot easier to just check his match history lol.
But his account is level 4 so I was oh this is an account he just made to post this and not the one banned. Yes I know my fault for using logic in a league related subject.
: > Alot of people love {{champion:157}} I fucking hate him. why? just feels like {{champion:23}} 2.0 and i hate tryndameres boring no mechanics "herp de derp I win off my r alone" and its the same for yasuo. Noob champs will always be noob champs... You forgot {{champion:11}}
but with yi its actually reactive like do you use q to go in? dodje the {{champion:4}} gold card or save it to escape to a lesser threat target? how to use the heal. lessen {{champion:45}} ult? auto attack reset. like yasuo doesnt have that... like the is no bad time to press q on yasuo xD
Traps (EUW)
: Punishment too harsh
I manually type in that fucking url to see 2/20/0 nasus with 4 boots and a tear. screw you if i was riot id extend it to 4 weeks.
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Phyrz (EUW)
: Best junglers right now ? Aswell as ADC ?
best champs are the ones your not shit with.
Qweertzer (EUW)
: NEED HELP CHOOSING A MAIN!
ignore whatever the fuck anyone tells you and play what is more fun. lets be real its what your gonna do in the end. find a champ you like. if they go in one roll find which of the rolls you prefer. if its a contested pick maybe find a 2nd champ. example I fucking love kennen (even before all your fuckers started playing just cause of 1 single worlds play...) I can play kennen mid and top. I like the roaming part of mid. so I also play jungle. when kennen is banned I play champs simlar to him. mainly {{champion:1}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:127}} I like jungle for the roaming part of it simlar to mid. and i like the aoe fights. so i play {{champion:32}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:14}} and sometimes if i want to be a true pain in the ass: {{champion:89}} tank jungle, {{champion:131}} tank jungle. Dont copy mine or anyone elses find your own. Alot of people love {{champion:157}} I fucking hate him. why? just feels like {{champion:23}} 2.0 and i hate tryndameres boring no mechanics "herp de derp I win off my r alone" and its the same for yasuo.
: Are we back to S3 or what?
nope... not at alll..
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