: The roles really need name changing : CDD - Consistent damage dealer (no where does it say 'carry' and 99% of the time random teams don't really on their cdd to be the super carry anyway!) TSM - Team Supportive Member (that abbreviation should stick in memory! Support is played for the team at all stages and is not an adc's butler!)
> [{quoted}](name=CJ Nishinoya,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=VNUcJku2,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-05-30T11:33:29.707+0000) > > The roles really need name changing : > > CDD - Consistent damage dealer (no where does it say 'carry' and 99% of the time random teams don't really on their cdd to be the super carry anyway!) > > TSM - Team Supportive Member (that abbreviation should stick in memory! Support is played for the team at all stages and is not an adc's butler!) Wasn't TSM the abbreviation for Team Solo Mid? Hehehe{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
: trained animals play every role. unless you are a christian fundamentalist in which case you shouldnt be playing this devils game.
> [{quoted}](name=vampirekid13,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=VNUcJku2,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2017-05-30T10:59:41.607+0000) > > trained animals play every role. unless you are a christian fundamentalist in which case you shouldnt be playing this devils game. What champ do they play mostly?
ImJanemba (EUW)
: Mastery LVL 8 Concept
Seems like a great idea...i hope they implement it in the game in future
: You win by not losing {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
> [{quoted}](name=UzamakiiNaruto,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Kl2YoFOF,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-05-30T10:25:30.430+0000) > > You win by not losing {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Holy shit...what a great point...i will try and use it in my future games 😮😮
: Maybe I'm unlucky but uuu u u u u .... u need earnig S xD
> [{quoted}](name=DaisyMeRøllin,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=LElLhhQo,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-30T10:00:40.969+0000) > > Maybe I'm unlucky but uuu u u u u .... u need earnig S xD You didn't have to mention it, OK?!?! 😒😭
: (In top) I achieve a B is score everytime I play ranked. But I still have 90% winrate (Im just lazy when it comes to climbing). My reason behind that B is that I ignore my teammates until I get I see I good place to TP and win a teamfight or splitpush and hopes the enemy team will come top to deal with me so my rest of my team can take turrets on the otherside of the map. I always wins laning phase that's the number 1 thing to do, 2nd thing is abusing that victory. By either killing you laner over and over till the enemy send more member on you, or go to other lanes and help them out. You should always think of yourself doe, but wat I do is when I splitpush and see 5 people coming at me. Instead of running away I run towards them while pingng bot turret and if I ping enough much my team will always take it. Maybe even 2 turrets. Cause Killing a fed Aatrox takes around 40-70+ secs for even a 5man squad to do. "Fight as a hero or die like a coward" - Aatrox
> [{quoted}](name=The Hero Simon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Kl2YoFOF,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-05-30T08:39:43.646+0000) > > (In top) I achieve a B is score everytime I play ranked. But I still have 90% winrate (Im just lazy when it comes to climbing). > My reason behind that B is that I ignore my teammates until I get I see I good place to TP and win a teamfight or splitpush and hopes the enemy team will come top to deal with me so my rest of my team can take turrets on the otherside of the map. > > I always wins laning phase that's the number 1 thing to do, 2nd thing is abusing that victory. By either killing you laner over and over till the enemy send more member on you, or go to other lanes and help them out. > You should always think of yourself doe, but wat I do is when I splitpush and see 5 people coming at me. Instead of running away I run towards them while pingng bot turret and if I ping enough much my team will always take it. Maybe even 2 turrets. Cause Killing a fed Aatrox takes around 40-70+ secs for even a 5man squad to do. > > "Fight as a hero or die like a coward" - Aatrox I almost always win my lane too (sth like 75% of the time) but what are you going to do as a 4/1 Mordekaiser against a 10/0 kasadin? My point is that a fed top laner has no chance standing against a fed ADC or mid laner...because most adc's kite you to death if they are fed and mid lane assassin's can remove you from the map in a fraction of second
Zurkrem (EUW)
: >Like really, why winning ranked games is so damn hard? Just treat it like a normal game that you want to win. Forget that there are consequences to the outcome of the game for the duration of the match. >in most of silver elo games, people are toxic af and perform poorly I've been in bronze/silver in season 6 and silver in season 7. I can't remember toxicity being the norm. >even if I get lucky and get good teammates in one game, then i, myself seem to perform bad and lose the game While it is unfortunate that this is your experience, you have only played 19 ranked games this season, at least from what I could see on [op.gg](https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Hamze2011). 19 games aren't that statistically significant when you're calculating win rates and such. Just play more, improve while you're at it and this should solve itself.
> [{quoted}](name=Zurkrem,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Kl2YoFOF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-05-30T06:59:53.751+0000) > > Just treat it like a normal game that you want to win. Forget that there are consequences to the outcome of the game for the duration of the match. > > I've been in bronze/silver in season 6 and silver in season 7. I can't remember toxicity being the norm. > > While it is unfortunate that this is your experience, you have only played 19 ranked games this season, at least from what I could see on [op.gg](https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Hamze2011). 19 games aren't that statistically significant when you're calculating win rates and such. Just play more, improve while you're at it and this should solve itself. Tnx for your useful answer!! You were the first one who gave some good info Yes i only played 19 ranked games and won 5 out of them, which 4 of them belongs to the placement games which somehow frustrates me...tnx anyway ^^
Rioter Comments
PixelzGr (EUNE)
: Look at the score of my top laners and then you will understand what i mean by trolls.Am not the type of guy that would blame everything on others as i find it stupid and immature .Secondly i get flamed for playing rengar even tho hes my main , i play elise cause so we can have a mixture of ap and ad.Lastly my heca is good too but i get so flamed cause i dont do early ganks and i just power farm to hit level 6 so my chances of gettinga succesful gank are higher ( except if someone really needs help or if the enemy laner is overextenting)
> [{quoted}](name=PixelzGr,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=YP5PiKAc,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-05-29T13:53:22.838+0000) > > Look at the score of my top laners and then you will understand what i mean by trolls.Am not the type of guy that would blame everything on others as i find it stupid and immature .Secondly i get flamed for playing rengar even tho hes my main , i play elise cause so we can have a mixture of ap and ad.Lastly my heca is good too but i get so flamed cause i dont do early ganks and i just power farm to hit level 6 so my chances of gettinga succesful gank are higher ( except if someone really needs help or if the enemy laner is overextenting) Hecarim ganks are pretty strong pre-6 though...
: iLLuminati confirmed?
Upgrade morgana and nasus to Mastery lvl6 and then you have three mastery lvl6 champs...666
: I have no key so ................... No openings xD
> [{quoted}](name=DaisyMeRøllin,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=LElLhhQo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-29T22:44:27.351+0000) > > I have no key so ................... No openings xD Lucky you...i have no chest but plenty of keys :(
: You can check the TSM vs Flyquest match. Nautilus tanked 31 towershots. 31. And you are complaining about 10? Heres a proof if you do not believe me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbRiYV5SBAI
> [{quoted}](name=Kaloutsidis69,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=RQUNAF6m,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-05-29T14:43:19.636+0000) > > You can check the TSM vs Flyquest match. Nautilus tanked 31 towershots. 31. And you are complaining about 10? > Heres a proof if you do not believe me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbRiYV5SBAI Sweet mother of GOD...31 shots?? I know it's Nautilus but 31 shots??
Zed genius (EUNE)
: it's a ''SKILLSHOT'' which means you can ''DODGE'' it,but I guess it's too advanced for you
> [{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=48eybAaj,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T15:25:31.873+0000) > > it's a ''SKILLSHOT'' which means you can ''DODGE'' it,but I guess it's too advanced for you Not totally a skillshot, he can use his e on you and then knock you airborne
: Can you guys stop playing lee sin please?
And also add to this Yasuo...every time i play blind he is there in top lane
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hamze2011,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ai0o7l3z,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-29T07:46:43.740+0000) > > A small tip...don't play adc in 2k17😊 Why is that? A good ADC climbs the ladders faster than anyone else.
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ai0o7l3z,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-05-29T09:13:34.156+0000) > > Why is that? A good ADC climbs the ladders faster than anyone else. I dunno, i just feel like playing adc is so hard this season...you know it's so unforgiving...for example as Ashe, one wrong positioning and BAAM!! You're dead...contrary to top lane and mid lane where even if you are in a bad position you can still survive %80 of the ganks
Ahridk (EUW)
: Ahri makes me crazy
Who thinks of Ahri when There is our lovely, adorable Urgot?
Reidloss (EUW)
: how to win match or increase in rankings?
Play champs that are good at roaming such as Kata or leblanc...you see, it doesn't really matter if you have a good KDA or not, the only important thing is helping your teammates take down objectives...as a top laner there isn't really so much you can do about a losing team, but mid laners and junglers can help their team a lot more Hope i could help
: Free Swag
Well...these 3 champs aren't that much expensive, but anyway, can help new players a lot👍
Ârzo (EUW)
: Am I the only one feeling like to be useless as adc?
A small tip...don't play adc in 2k17😊
Solash (EUW)
: Who's the most uninteresting champion?
Well actually about malphite thing, the whole tank class is boring and unfun to play against sometimes...because you don't do any damage to the opposing team and your only objective is to soak up all damage and not die... I guess Urgot is pretty boring though.. His lore is kinda crazy too, so Garen tore him into pieces and then Noxus made sth robotic out of his body pieces, wtf?
: Why is EVERYTHING flame?
GLHF report "x" for flaming, tnx
: > [{quoted}](name=Hamze2011,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=5QzP80pb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-28T17:11:33.104+0000) > > none of them....i say "gg izi"{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} We can see why. You were born 2011
> [{quoted}](name=GZA The Genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=5QzP80pb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-28T17:16:43.961+0000) > > We can see why. You were born 2011 Dude, nobody asked for your opinion...so how about shutting up?
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Poll
none of them....i say "gg izi"{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Afelers (EUNE)
: At the beginning of each season there is always one. For special cases too sometimes. But I personally feel bad about NA like they haven't even got a Slumber Party event and had no IP weekend for more than half a year how it usually is everywhere else. But I don't remember if we have ever had more than 3 IP weekends a year.
> [{quoted}](name=Afelers,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=MEEgYNvV,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-28T11:27:41.410+0000) > > At the beginning of each season there is always one. For special cases too sometimes. But I personally feel bad about NA like they haven't even got a Slumber Party event and had no IP weekend for more than half a year how it usually is everywhere else. But I don't remember if we have ever had more than 3 IP weekends a year. The server with the most MSI summoner icons was promised to be given the IP boost too
ZemsBond (EUNE)
: Ping is random every game!!!
Switch to wired connection for more consistency and less lag :)
: Nerf FIORA......
better remove her from the whole game
: Can we talk about Xin Xhao?
I totally understand your point, he is like one of the most forgiving braindead top laners and junglers...i seriously hope he gets nerfed in the butthole so hard that no one could ever play him again
GPet (EUW)
: 60, having v-sync active it's capped at that, and I never needed more.
> [{quoted}](name=GPet,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=NhREx9G4,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-05-19T23:10:42.438+0000) > > 60, having v-sync active it's capped at that, and I never needed more. Give this guy a medal
BlueStr (EUW)
: "Disenchanting" mastery tokens.
I wish you could've disenchanted them into orange essence😞
noob infant (EUNE)
: have you ever played {{champion:82}} vs {{champion:14}} ?
> [{quoted}](name=noob infant,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-20T02:43:14.338+0000) > > have you ever played {{champion:82}} vs {{champion:14}} ? Well well...you got me there😅😅 However mordekaiser scales waaaaay better than sion into late game...he is somehow tanky and can do shit tons of damage late game...his only problem tho is lack of Hard Cc
: Just wait the diver update (should happen Urgot and Eve) and RioT will probably rework both Pantheon and that f@@ker Irelia (which is way worse) and finally let us to kiss the remaining "i point and click my whole kit on you" champ a long awaited goodbye.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-05-19T20:29:52.820+0000) > > Just wait the diver update (should happen Urgot and Eve) and RioT will probably rework both Pantheon and that f@@ker Irelia (which is way worse) and finally let us to kiss the remaining "i point and click my whole kit on you" champ a long awaited goodbye. Rito pls nerf Trynda...so OP WTF 1200 lp chalenjour yasuo main
noob infant (EUNE)
: panth is easy, even good old {{champion:82}} completly shits on him, very fun match up, through {{champion:17}} is hilarios, just don't forget to take {{summoner:14}}
> [{quoted}](name=noob infant,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-05-19T21:05:21.912+0000) > > panth is easy, even good old {{champion:82}} completly shits on him, very fun match up, through {{champion:17}} is hilarios, just don't forget to take {{summoner:14}} Uh...good old mordekaiser shits on everyone tbh ^^ But i guees teemo is going to have a hard time laning against any type of AD caster
: Can you do this for Tryndamere?
> [{quoted}](name=LordLaurens,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2017-05-19T20:43:21.697+0000) > > Can you do this for Tryndamere? I think we should start a campaign for reworking Trynda's ulti
: - Armor Yellows - Starting items: {{item:1054}} {{item:2003}} {{item:2003}} or {{item:2033}} - Summoner Spells: {{summoner:12}} or {{summoner:3}} + {{summoner:4}} - Masteries: 18/0/12 or 12/0/18 if you really struggle IF YOU STRUGGLE EXTREMELY: go 0/12/18 and get Bandit from the Cunning tree. Free gold per CS you concede. Applies for all three. The basic gameplay against Pantheon is to get to an early-midgame point where you can tank his poke and/or combo without getting too low, especially not below 15% health. Pantheon has to build relatively squishy or else he is no threat to any toplaner, so once you get there, he is easy to deal with in lane. He may roam and achieve something for his team. Concede every farm you have to. Taking 100 or more damage for 17g is usually not worth it. Stay in brushes or out of his Q range as long as possible. Dance back and forth and try to stay in XP range of dying minions. Any champ outscales Pantheon so being a lot of CS behind is no big deal unless Pantheon can convert it into really meaningful leads for his teams such as a botlane Fiesta. You want the wave to be pushing to you until you got strong enough, so dont use AAs or abilities on the wave if you dont have to. AAing Pantheon will make his minions attack you while yours will likely still attack his, so that makes the wave push to him. Fiora and Wukong can farm under tower reasonably well (AA resets), while Kled has his Q to get tricky CS. When Pantheon freezes the lane towards his side once you pushed him into tower, you can recall to get HP and Corrupting potion stacks back. The freeze will usually break by itself until you are back in lane and the wave comes back to you. No shame to go into an armor item early (though you dont have to complete it. Ninja Tabi + some health, even from a {{item:3044}} should be enough). Base damages and tankyness are enough to fight a Pantheon in an extended fight when he got no XP lead. With Fiora and Wukong, you want to W his Stun. With Kled you can E away as soon as you see him jump to stun and you will be stunned at the end of your E, not close to him. If your jungler is kind and good, call him to gank Panth, especially when he has no Flash. This will usually tilt the lane inevitably into the favor of the better scaling champ. Employ mindgames of dancing forward and backward and in brushes to keep him busy all the time and make him wonder if he can go for CS himself. Keep track of where and when he wards so you can bait him together with your Jungler by pretending you ward himself when you actually 2v1 him. Mind where his jungler is at that moment though!
> [{quoted}](name=Stahlvormund,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=0002000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-19T19:20:50.471+0000) > > - Armor Yellows > - Starting items: {{item:1054}} {{item:2003}} {{item:2003}} or {{item:2033}} > - Summoner Spells: {{summoner:12}} or {{summoner:3}} + {{summoner:4}} > - Masteries: 18/0/12 or 12/0/18 if you really struggle > IF YOU STRUGGLE EXTREMELY: go 0/12/18 and get Bandit from the Cunning tree. Free gold per CS you concede. > > Applies for all three. > > The basic gameplay against Pantheon is to get to an early-midgame point where you can tank his poke and/or combo without getting too low, especially not below 15% health. Pantheon has to build relatively squishy or else he is no threat to any toplaner, so once you get there, he is easy to deal with in lane. He may roam and achieve something for his team. > > Concede every farm you have to. Taking 100 or more damage for 17g is usually not worth it. Stay in brushes or out of his Q range as long as possible. Dance back and forth and try to stay in XP range of dying minions. Any champ outscales Pantheon so being a lot of CS behind is no big deal unless Pantheon can convert it into really meaningful leads for his teams such as a botlane Fiesta. > > You want the wave to be pushing to you until you got strong enough, so dont use AAs or abilities on the wave if you dont have to. AAing Pantheon will make his minions attack you while yours will likely still attack his, so that makes the wave push to him. > > Fiora and Wukong can farm under tower reasonably well (AA resets), while Kled has his Q to get tricky CS. > When Pantheon freezes the lane towards his side once you pushed him into tower, you can recall to get HP and Corrupting potion stacks back. The freeze will usually break by itself until you are back in lane and the wave comes back to you. > > No shame to go into an armor item early (though you dont have to complete it. Ninja Tabi + some health, even from a {{item:3044}} should be enough). Base damages and tankyness are enough to fight a Pantheon in an extended fight when he got no XP lead. > > With Fiora and Wukong, you want to W his Stun. With Kled you can E away as soon as you see him jump to stun and you will be stunned at the end of your E, not close to him. > > If your jungler is kind and good, call him to gank Panth, especially when he has no Flash. This will usually tilt the lane inevitably into the favor of the better scaling champ. > > Employ mindgames of dancing forward and backward and in brushes to keep him busy all the time and make him wonder if he can go for CS himself. Keep track of where and when he wards so you can bait him together with your Jungler by pretending you ward himself when you actually 2v1 him. Mind where his jungler is at that moment though! Holy shit it was wonderful!! Tnx m8, i will try and put your instructions into action <3
: Name a melee champ you struggle with against Panth then.
> [{quoted}](name=Stahlvormund,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-19T18:24:28.761+0000) > > Name a melee champ you struggle with against Panth then. wukong, fiora and kled
: If I told you how to counterplay Panth as a melee champ you name... ...would you even listen?
> [{quoted}](name=Stahlvormund,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-05-19T17:44:02.009+0000) > > If I told you how to counterplay Panth as a melee champ you name... > > ...would you even listen? i would love to hear it....
Foksie (EUW)
: if you miss Q and their enemy has a gap closer gg. Lux is squishier than level one Malphite hue hue hue
> [{quoted}](name=Foksie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WUqGv7ut,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-19T14:18:15.456+0000) > > if you miss Q and their enemy has a gap closer gg. Lux is squishier than level one Malphite hue hue hue has {{champion:82}} haunted you?
: Being able to test skins in Practice tool
I think you can see a preview of the skin in lolking.com or some youtube videos...unfortunately rito won't implement this thing in the practice part {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
: The reason he has that big of a winrate is that most people don't know how to play against him. I've been playing him a lot since last season, and I can tell you that most of the time people just underestimate his dmg early and try to fight him and end up giving him free kills. If you don't let him get ahead he becomes a stun bot for the most part. Also there are so many counters, any champion with high sustain destroys pantheon, like olaf.
> [{quoted}](name=JohnßCena,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-19T15:43:20.820+0000) > > The reason he has that big of a winrate is that most people don&#x27;t know how to play against him. I&#x27;ve been playing him a lot since last season, and I can tell you that most of the time people just underestimate his dmg early and try to fight him and end up giving him free kills. If you don&#x27;t let him get ahead he becomes a stun bot for the most part. i agree that some ranged champs give him a hard time in top lane such as{{champion:85}} {{champion:126}} , but most melee champs struggle against him and his free pokes...literally there is no counterplay against his point and click abilities...{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: He has 53.7% winrate toplane on op.gg for plat+.
> [{quoted}](name=JohnßCena,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-05-19T15:40:02.572+0000) > > He has 53.7% winrate toplane on op.gg for plat+. yes that is true....sorry i was using the mobile app stats{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: This dude needs a nerf. He is the only champ that can not just beat, but STOMP too many lanes WITHOUT AN ULTIMATE. Just 3 spells and killing everyone. Counterplay? No sorry we don't do that, all point and click abilities lol. You can try staying out of his range, but unless you are Xerath or vellkoz you are screwed. Even if you do play those ranged champs you need urf kinds of mana. No idea what they were telling themselves 'balancing' this dude.
> [{quoted}](name=LordLaurens,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-19T15:26:38.151+0000) > > This dude needs a nerf. He is the only champ that can not just beat, but STOMP too many lanes WITHOUT AN ULTIMATE. Just 3 spells and killing everyone. Counterplay? No sorry we don&#x27;t do that, all point and click abilities lol. You can try staying out of his range, but unless you are Xerath or vellkoz you are screwed. Even if you do play those ranged champs you need urf kinds of mana. No idea what they were telling themselves &#x27;balancing&#x27; this dude. Syndra can do good against him too...i think nerfing him isn't the case...i would rather a rework than nerf{{champion:427}}
: I see 54% at best. Could you provide the source?
> [{quoted}](name=Khail the Crow,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hi3Ems73,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-19T14:54:20.012+0000) > > I see 54% at best. Could you provide the source? At op.gg he has 56% winrate...however 54 isn't that much bad tho
Rioter Comments
Inaphyt (EUW)
: because the way to deal with any sustain heavy champion is to gank and burst down in one go, that's why xin isn't played top lane because he is a free gank and quite squshy aswell.
> [{quoted}](name=Inaphyt,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZbezndUj,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-05-14T13:03:04.220+0000) > > because the way to deal with any sustain heavy champion is to gank and burst down in one go, that&#x27;s why xin isn&#x27;t played top lane because he is a free gank and quite squshy aswell. Ikr...but in the elo i play, the jungler doesn't know anything about gank, burst, and being squishy xD
Mabons (EUW)
: Unfortunately the only way to kill him is to outplay him. Fortunately, because he's such a ridiculously predictable champion that's quite easy. Darius, Riven, Illaoi, Camille, Fiora all are good melee champions that should have the mechanics required to outplay him.
> [{quoted}](name=Mabons,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ZbezndUj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-14T12:55:03.217+0000) > > Unfortunately the only way to kill him is to outplay him. Fortunately, because he&#x27;s such a ridiculously predictable champion that&#x27;s quite easy. Darius, Riven, Illaoi, Camille, Fiora all are good melee champions that should have the mechanics required to outplay him. Yeah...i get your point...tnx for the reply☺
shamshamm (EUW)
: The free skins that rito gives
There are some free skins on Garen, Alistar and Tristana too...by following riot games on twitter, youtube and facebook
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